#archiveteam-bs 2020-01-07,Tue

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00:00 🔗 SootBectr The keygenmusic.net job might want to ignore the ?vote page, it's just a captcha box to vote on a file and each ID is being saved multiple times with language codes that appear to make no difference e.g. http://keygenmusic.net/?page=vote&fileid=2888&lang=gr nl, es, de, etc.
00:01 🔗 SootBectr atphoenix: ^
00:02 🔗 atphoenix ahh..
00:03 🔗 SootBectr Is that a useful thing to report?
00:04 🔗 atphoenix yes, or at least to give a heads-up on
00:05 🔗 atphoenix did you notice it in the status tracker or you saw it browsing the keygenmusic site?
00:05 🔗 SootBectr On the tracker
00:06 🔗 atphoenix do you know the exact correct syntax for the !ig command? basically we can skip URLs that contain page=vote
00:07 🔗 SootBectr No, I'm completely new to this :)
00:10 🔗 atphoenix I'm fairly new too, hence I find the report useful. from the examples it appears it might be !ig IDENTID obnoxious\?page=vote\d+
00:10 🔗 SootBectr https://archivebot.readthedocs.io/en/latest/commands.html#ignore - right?
00:10 🔗 atphoenix Ryz, help^
00:16 🔗 SootBectr 'obnoxious' appears to be part of the example and there's no digits following the word vote, I believe you'd want something like: \?page=vote&fileid
00:20 🔗 atphoenix yes, that's where I'm looking at examples
00:20 🔗 atphoenix I'm not a regex expert
00:21 🔗 SootBectr I know my way round them but still check on https://regex101.com/ to be sure
00:22 🔗 atphoenix I don't think we need the fileid in the pattern match
00:22 🔗 atphoenix assuming we don't care about any further vote URLs
00:23 🔗 atphoenix do you know what d+ means?
00:23 🔗 SootBectr Don't want to exclude http://keygenmusic.net/?page=vote
00:24 🔗 SootBectr \d means any digit, + means match the \d 1 or more times
00:29 🔗 SootBectr Here's an example, you can hover over the regex parts to see them explained: https://regex101.com/r/tmqy8t/1/
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00:42 🔗 Ryz I'm not much of a regex expert too, most of the ignores I do are based on what other people did as inspiration and/or guidance
00:42 🔗 VoltZero @hook54321 i was aware of that post on reddit, but i'm not sure why the site can't be scraped for just the data?
00:42 🔗 VoltZero not the actual ebooks?
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00:58 🔗 Ryz Unless someone wants to pay 50 bitcoins or $376,180.50 assuming the owner is cooperative :/
01:01 🔗 SootBectr The 50btc thing seems almost certainly a scammer
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01:13 🔗 ranma are these backed up? https://www.npr.org/2020/01/05/785672201/deceased-gop-strategists-daughter-makes-files-public-that-republicans-wanted-sea
01:13 🔗 ranma files appear to be on g.drive
01:14 🔗 ranma https://www.thehofellerfiles.com/
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01:22 🔗 VoltZero that is for the actual books
01:23 🔗 VoltZero @ryz, is there a way to just grab a screen grab of every page of the site?
01:23 🔗 VoltZero whether that is html or mhtml format?
01:24 🔗 VoltZero i'd do it myself but i'm not sure how to get it done. i've tried using webscraper chrome extension and i'm able to get some of the data but the pagination breaks the extension and it only grabs random pages
01:25 🔗 Ryz What website are you referring to, VoltZero ?
01:25 🔗 VoltZero ebookfarm the 50btc one
01:25 🔗 VoltZero i just want a browseable backup of the site / sans actual books (which are locked down via another downloader)
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01:27 🔗 VoltZero hell the data itself would be good too. basically the site is broken down by subjects > list of books in that subject (12 on a page) > actual book page to purchase book (this last part i don't care to store). Just the first two sections
01:29 🔗 VoltZero https://mega.nz/#F!dYMC3SaC!YY5qDerO741uBQdki4cIzw what the pages look like
01:29 🔗 VoltZero if you guys can at least guide me how to do it i'd appreciate it.
01:29 🔗 Ryz As I mentioned before, ArchiveBot is not capable of logging in through the account barrier of http://ebook.farm/ s:
01:29 🔗 VoltZero so any other methods that i can use?
01:30 🔗 atphoenix VoltZero, you may be able to pass cookies to a local web archiving tool. In the past I've used HTTrack for some stuff.
01:31 🔗 VoltZero okay i'm downloading httrack now.
01:31 🔗 atphoenix passing cookies can work like logging in
01:31 🔗 atphoenix as you take the cookies from your already logged in browser
01:32 🔗 VoltZero okay that seems doable. i'm not sure how to do that but i'll ask you once i get it loaded
01:33 🔗 VoltZero anyway to set it that it only goes like one link deep?
01:35 🔗 atphoenix yes, there is a spider depth control
01:36 🔗 atphoenix the level of success varies by site. Javascript-heavy sites are trouble in many ways, regardless of your tool choice.
01:37 🔗 VoltZero ah okay
01:39 🔗 VoltZero alright i'm going through the settings now
01:39 🔗 VoltZero for action is it just download web site?
01:40 🔗 atphoenix use default if unsure
01:40 🔗 atphoenix there is a page that has something like 'get related files'. Check that too.
01:42 🔗 VoltZero there is a section that lets you put in authentication
01:42 🔗 VoltZero and you can capture the url?
01:47 🔗 oxguy3 hey could someone add https://dtcimedia.disney.com to archivebot? downloads are absent from WBM
01:49 🔗 oxguy3 also, is there someone i can ask about getting permissions to use archivebot myself?
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02:06 🔗 VoltZero damn its not working. thanks for your help atphoenix but seems too much hassle
02:07 🔗 atphoenix is membership there free?
02:10 🔗 VoltZero ya but they closed signups
02:12 🔗 VoltZero the closest i got has been using webscraper since it uses chrome to actually open the pages and extract the data
02:12 🔗 VoltZero also i'd share my account info if you could back it up
02:13 🔗 VoltZero if i could figure out the pagination script they use it'd work
02:16 🔗 atphoenix you mean webscraper chrome extension?
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02:18 🔗 VoltZero ya webscraper.io
02:18 🔗 VoltZero i followed the video and it does it, but skips the individual pages
02:19 🔗 VoltZero so for example, it only goes through pages 1, 3, 7 and then goes to next section
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02:19 🔗 VoltZero https://youtu.be/x8bZmUrJBl0
02:19 🔗 VoltZero i think they mention that but then don't elaborate on what to do to for it
02:31 🔗 atphoenix is the site an endless-scroll site?
02:36 🔗 VoltZero nope, has pages, its the second option in the video
02:36 🔗 VoltZero i can share a screenshot of it
02:37 🔗 VoltZero https://imgur.com/a/AoPuQIy
02:37 🔗 VoltZero so for example: https://i.imgur.com/jjzhUFj.png -- it has those ... between certain pages. i think that causes it to not work
02:38 🔗 VoltZero the mega link above is a copy of the .html
02:38 🔗 VoltZero of a couple pages. someone on reddit wanted to know, but they didn't know how to program very well, but said it was probably possible to script it
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02:52 🔗 atphoenix Raccoon`, have you seen the ASCII art error made on https://archivebot.readthedocs.io/%20%7C ?
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03:19 🔗 VoltZero anyone know how to use wget?
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03:36 🔗 oxguy3 ye -- i recommend the manual for learning it https://www.gnu.org/software/wget/manual/wget.html
03:58 🔗 hook54321 VoltZero, atphoenix: HTTrack doesn't have WARC support. I would use grabsite.
03:59 🔗 VoltZero Thanks hook54321. I'll look into that. I'm not sure what WARC support means though.
04:00 🔗 atphoenix WARC support is something that IA uses for playback, but in your case I'm not sure that is critical for a site behind a login
04:02 🔗 atphoenix or at least that is my interpretation of WARC's value. easier to integrate into IA WBM.
04:02 🔗 hook54321 It's a standard for web archiving.
04:02 🔗 hook54321 essentially
04:03 🔗 VoltZero i'll look into it more tomorrow. Thanks guys! this is all new to me so a lot of it is over my head
04:03 🔗 VoltZero going to bed. night everyone
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04:59 🔗 marked1 atphoenix: .warc.gz should generally be used for archiving even if not going into WBM
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05:05 🔗 atphoenix marked1: even for personal use? I consider it a desirable characteristic that is preferred and nice-to-have, but not a hard requirement...at least where personal-use is the goal or where site conditions make it hard to use tools that generate WARCs. Afterall, PGO Explorer didn't generate WARCs, and some of the Yahoo Groups it was used to save may only continue to exist in PGO-generated output.
05:15 🔗 marked1 I'm finding it hard to explain from that example, because a few concepts are tangled.
05:19 🔗 marked1 One metaphor, most people don't do proper back-ups. That's a personal choice and only affects themselves. So that's like data for personal use. Certain checkboxes have to be hit before something can be considered archived well
05:20 🔗 marked1 One of those ideal checkboxes is using an archival format
06:24 🔗 Somebody2 Various semi-documented IA and WBM features are listed on https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Internet_Archive#Downloading_from_archive.org
06:24 🔗 Somebody2 feel free to add more there
06:25 🔗 Somebody2 note that is not particuarly secret, so if it's a feature you'd prefer remained less-well-known -- don't put it there
06:26 🔗 Somebody2 e.g. in the past, there was a bug that allowed access to various stuff that IA discouraged accessing -- please don't mention stuff like that
06:49 🔗 atphoenix marked1, fair enough. To extend what you said, along my lines of thought improper/incomplete backups are still better than no backups. Partial loss is better than complete loss. Both pale in comparison to a full backup.
06:59 🔗 marked1 Sure, but then if someone asks how to do a back-up- You would tell them to keep a copy off-site, and if they're keeping their backup on the same disk that they're headed for trouble.
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08:44 🔗 Kliment astrid: further discussion initiated :)
08:45 🔗 astrid oh sorry i don't have much else to say :P
08:46 🔗 Kliment Oh heh. I did want to ask about another 3d printing related site
08:46 🔗 astrid yeah?
08:46 🔗 Kliment have you heard of lulzbot/aleph objects?
08:46 🔗 astrid lulzbot yes
08:47 🔗 Kliment It's the same company. They have a large cache of super detailed documentation on everything they built
08:47 🔗 Kliment I'm worried it will fall off the internet
08:47 🔗 astrid hmmm
08:47 🔗 astrid have a link?
08:48 🔗 atphoenix Kliment: most basic way to help is hang out in the IRC and learn the tools we use. Or if that doesn't work for you, look up the Archiveteam WarriorVM
08:48 🔗 atphoenix and run a WarriorVM on one of your computers
08:48 🔗 Kliment astrid: I do, stand by
08:48 🔗 atphoenix that VM helps with some of AT projects
08:49 🔗 Kliment Okay, so their main download site is still up, some friends have archived the forums (but can't host them anywhere)
08:50 🔗 Kliment https://download.lulzbot.com/ for the download site which has most of the goods
08:50 🔗 astrid that looks like a textbook good candidate for archivebot
08:50 🔗 astrid do you have any idea how big this is ?
08:50 🔗 astrid gigabytes, terabytes, petabytes?
08:51 🔗 Kliment checking with my friends, hold on
08:51 🔗 astrid spot checks + intuition suggests it's not much more than 100G
08:52 🔗 atphoenix other subdomains http://devel.lulzbot.com/ https://forum.lulzbot.com/t/ftp-rsync/1362
08:52 🔗 astrid this is good stuff, i'm archivebotting it
08:52 🔗 Kliment a couple of my friends made partial backups, one of them has the forums
08:52 🔗 Kliment which are no longer online
08:53 🔗 atphoenix http://download.lulzbot.com/README says This is the LulzBot archive.
08:53 🔗 atphoenix Also available via rsync at:
08:53 🔗 atphoenix rsync://rsync.alephobjects.com/lulzbot/
08:53 🔗 atphoenix See also:
08:53 🔗 atphoenix http://www.alephobjects.com
08:53 🔗 atphoenix http://www.lulzbot.com
08:53 🔗 atphoenix kliment, please stay in touch with us, we may be interested in the partial backups too
08:53 🔗 Kliment the remnants of the company have been acquired
08:54 🔗 Kliment but no guarantee how long the servers will stay up
08:54 🔗 astrid i put download.lulzbot.com in archivebot, see progress at http://dashboard.at.ninjawedding.org/3?showNicks=1 ; further updates issued by bot in #archivebot
08:54 🔗 astrid and it's past my bedtime. goodnight all :)
08:55 🔗 Kliment I'll hang out here if you have any questions, and try to drag my friends in as well
08:55 🔗 Kliment thank you for doing this!
08:57 🔗 atphoenix Kliment, check out https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=ArchiveTeam_Warrior for how to run it
08:57 🔗 Kliment will do later today, thanks
09:30 🔗 astrid hmmm ... maybe this download site would best be mirrored as an ftpsite
09:30 🔗 astrid if the archivebot run is still going in a few days maybe i'll do that instead
09:31 🔗 atphoenix astrid, we also got some old podcast mp3s brought to our attention that match up to gaps in the IA
09:32 🔗 atphoenix mp3s are sitting here: http://rusrs.com/old.rusrs.com/bkrs/ They are related to the blog here, however many are missing from IA http://web.archive.org/web/20090302110050/http://www.revolution31.com/blog/
09:34 🔗 atphoenix DigDug told us about it in #archivebot
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09:52 🔗 Kliment astrid: there's a working rsync
09:52 🔗 Kliment astrid: at least I hope it's still working
09:53 🔗 Kliment astrid: and apparently the new owners managed to import the forum data into an external forum service
09:53 🔗 Kliment astrid: This is much less crawlable than the old forums but at least it's up
09:54 🔗 Kliment astrid: There's a user on freenode that has a complete snapshot of the old forums if needed
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11:16 🔗 godane SketchCow: i'm grabbing more RTE Morning Ireland from RTE Radio 1
11:17 🔗 godane turns out the old method i used doesn't work more
11:18 🔗 godane i have lot more creative to get the files now
11:18 🔗 godane i maybe able to resume from fall 2012
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12:05 🔗 JAA (Continuing the discussion on the SPON forums from #archivebot)
12:07 🔗 Ryz I mentioned that there could be a separate job in regards to https://www.spiegel.de/forum/ on only the members section, since it was ignored for the main job to make it go faster and to grab the main content
12:09 🔗 atphoenix the members profiles are pretty sparse in terms of content. To my eye, only added piece is profile create date and an index of their posts.
12:10 🔗 atphoenix and the post index could be rebuilt by scanning/sorting through all the threads
12:10 🔗 atphoenix leaving the create date as the only potentially lost piece of info
12:10 🔗 Ryz ...Oh, there's apparently a 13th section - being https://www.spiegel.de/forum/blog/ - which isn't linked from https://www.spiegel.de/forum/ at all
12:10 🔗 atphoenix IA WBM has seen these forums and some user profiles in the past
12:11 🔗 Ryz https://www.spiegel.de/forum/blog/ has 351 paginations - which means 351x20 topics per page = estimated 7020 topics
12:13 🔗 atphoenix WBM has been there too http://web.archive.org/web/2019*/https://www.spiegel.de/forum/blog/
12:13 🔗 atphoenix http://web.archive.org/web/20180202062755/http://www.spiegel.de/forum/blog/ein-steuerberater-erzaehlt-finanzbeamte-zu-ueberzeugen-macht-spass-thread-705664-4.html
12:14 🔗 atphoenix how did you find forum/blog?
12:16 🔗 Ryz Out of chance from watching the dashboard
12:17 🔗 atphoenix I guess the spider found it. Good for it :)
12:19 🔗 atphoenix discussion about the forum shutdown: https://www.spiegel.de/forum/blog/in-eigener-sache-der-neue-kommentarbereich-fuer-unsere-nutzerinnen-und-nutzer-bed-thread-1002822-1.html
12:19 🔗 atphoenix "It looks like there is no longer a central SPON forum" ...
12:19 🔗 atphoenix "Every (10) years "book burning" again..... because of "forum conversion".
12:20 🔗 Kliment pretty sure they just don't consider the forum contents valuable
12:21 🔗 Kliment but this latest move is likely just to drive people to each article's page rather than a forum, in order to have more article-specific ad impressions
12:23 🔗 atphoenix the point of forums like these is to get a 'pulse' of the reader audience (or maybe pulse of trolls?) in regard to various news topics...
12:24 🔗 atphoenix it's not really for long ongoing discussions, which is what some of the Yahoo groups were about
12:24 🔗 atphoenix that's my interpretation on them
12:24 🔗 atphoenix which isn't authorative in any way :)
12:25 🔗 Ryz More pushing for archiving old/abandoned/dead forums that is :c
12:26 🔗 atphoenix and this one wasn't even dead
12:26 🔗 atphoenix and 4 day notice (at best)
12:27 🔗 atphoenix what's the goal...push all discussion to facebook via the facebook module I see on some sites?
12:27 🔗 Ryz Or Reddit~
12:27 🔗 atphoenix then sites get 'dirty user data' off their servers, and facebook gets broader tracking...
12:32 🔗 JAA lol, their servers suck.
12:32 🔗 JAA Getting disconnects within seconds of starting qwarc.
12:34 🔗 atphoenix AB is on 12 connections. 5/sec
12:34 🔗 JAA Yeah, AB is slow.
12:35 🔗 JAA 100 connections, 70 req/s here.
12:35 🔗 atphoenix AB is also see some 500 statuses
12:36 🔗 JAA Well, clearly they can't handle my load.
12:37 🔗 atphoenix do you know anything that can? Do you know what your limits actually are?
12:38 🔗 JAA I've archived quite a few things with qwarc before, and often enough they did hold up pretty well.
12:57 🔗 JAA 50 connections now, still getting errors.
12:57 🔗 JAA The 5xx rate is much lower now though.
13:04 🔗 JAA Ok, this seems stable enough and should still finish in time, hopefully.
13:19 🔗 Kliment Can I run Warrior with limited disk space?
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13:24 🔗 Kliment I started it and told it to work on urlteam2 but it is using zero bw apparently
13:25 🔗 Kliment seems disk space is limited to 60GB
13:25 🔗 Kliment do I need to do anything to make it actually do things?
13:25 🔗 atphoenix yes, warrior is fine with that
13:26 🔗 atphoenix urlteam is a low bandwidth project
13:26 🔗 Kliment it says it's working on a project but appears to be idling
13:26 🔗 Kliment 0.00 is very low bw
13:26 🔗 atphoenix it's okay urlteam also idles as rate limiting
13:26 🔗 atphoenix prevents IP banning
13:27 🔗 Kliment What's a more active project so I can verify it's working correctly?
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13:46 🔗 atphoenix that's the one for now
13:47 🔗 atphoenix just leave it run in the background
13:47 🔗 Kliment alright
13:47 🔗 atphoenix you can start it using the menu as detached screen/headless
13:48 🔗 atphoenix in a day or so you should be able to find your warrior name in the tracker leaderboard list (if you show maybe 10000 results)
13:48 🔗 atphoenix and search for your name
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17:11 🔗 SootBectr I have my first request for AB: http://consolidatedpower.co/~donald/zero/Main_Page fan wiki for the game Kentucky Route Zero (final act about to be released!)
17:11 🔗 SootBectr WBM doesn't have media files e.g. recordings from a real phone number: https://consolidatedpower.co/~donald/zero/1-858-WHEN-KRZ
17:11 🔗 SootBectr It should include outlinks to http://kentuckyroutezero.com/ to get things like these: https://consolidatedpower.co/~donald/zero/Wrongle
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21:10 🔗 schbirid is there a workping wpull fork for python3.7?
21:15 🔗 ivan ludios_wpull
21:18 🔗 schbirid thx
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23:20 🔗 JAA Welp, my SPON forums qwarc grab is still running, but it crashed several times it seems and has done very little progress in 10 hours.
23:20 🔗 JAA ~7 % of thread IDs so far...
23:21 🔗 JAA s/crashed/was OOM-killed/
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23:51 🔗 JAA My SPON grab is running into infinite loops. :-/
23:51 🔗 JAA I guess that's why it didn't get further.

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