#archiveteam-bs 2020-03-24,Tue

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00:54 πŸ”— DogsRNice i say we use a minecraft servers chat for everything
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02:16 πŸ”— Coderjo anyone have an idea where one could find copies of IEC 60774-1:1994, -2:1999, -3:1993, -4:2002, and -5:2004, without spending thousands?
02:17 πŸ”— Coderjo They're specs on VHS, SVHS, and DVHS. I can't imagine they're useful in industry anymore
02:29 πŸ”— kiska Your local library?
02:30 πŸ”— kiska Or if you attend university its usually there in their libraries
02:30 πŸ”— Coderjo that's not currently happening. :(
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04:21 πŸ”— phuzion Coderjo: Off chance, did you happen to attend Raj in December?
04:38 πŸ”— Coderjo I did. how are you doing?
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12:34 πŸ”— godane so has derive been changed or something?
12:34 πŸ”— godane i noticed that one of my glenn beck videos i upload doesn't have a ogg video file
12:35 πŸ”— godane it has a h264 IA version of the mp4: https://archive.org/details/GLENN_20160118
12:36 πŸ”— godane i guess to make it more streamible
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14:51 πŸ”— godane i'm starting to upload the wire magazine
14:56 πŸ”— godane SketchCo1: someone got ahead of me with making a collection : https://archive.org/details/the-wire-magazine?tab=collection
14:56 πŸ”— godane good news is there are no uploads even dark by that user
14:57 πŸ”— godane this one i had to grab the image urls using thumbs url then get the image urls in firefox web console
14:58 πŸ”— godane from there i had to replace images/1/ with images/3/
14:59 πŸ”— godane if that guy is just starting then there is good chance he didn't getting that much yet
15:01 πŸ”— Coderjo they literally created it yesterday
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15:13 πŸ”— godane my fear is my work on this would have been for nothing
15:14 πŸ”— godane i was not going to upload right away but cause of that i'm now
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17:14 πŸ”— cm JAA: what's that about an older wget version?
17:14 πŸ”— cm did older versions have better warc support?
17:15 πŸ”— JAA cm: The bug with the angle brackets was introduced in wget 1.19.4. So versions before that produce the WARC/1.0 files that all other tools expect.
17:17 πŸ”— cm is that "bug" the result of the "inconsistency" in the WARC/1.0 spec?
17:17 πŸ”— JAA Yeah
17:18 πŸ”— cm is it not trivial to revert the bug and produce proper warc/1.0
17:18 πŸ”— cm or is the idea to forget 1.0 and just make it produce 1.1
17:18 πŸ”— JAA The thing is that the 1.0 spec is ambiguous, even though everyone agrees how it should be done (except for the person who sent the patch to wget). So there is no "proper WARC/1.0".
17:18 πŸ”— JAA Yes, the idea is to bump to 1.1.
17:19 πŸ”— JAA That should happen in the next wget version, but it's not clear when that'll be.
17:21 πŸ”— cm ok
17:21 πŸ”— cm do you know if there will be any more versions of wget 1?
17:23 πŸ”— JAA As I understand it, yes, 1.x is still getting bugfixes. Version 1.21 is the one that will be released soonβ„’.
17:24 πŸ”— cm ah good
17:26 πŸ”— cm are there tools to convert 1.0 to 1.1?
17:26 πŸ”— cm like if i archive some sites now with wget 1.19.3, will i be able to convert them to the same format produced by wget 1.21 ?
17:28 πŸ”— JAA It would in theory be possible to write such a tool, but I don't think it's a good idea. There's nothing wrong with 1.0 WARCs. The situation with wget 1.19.4 to 1.20.x is unfortunate but can be worked around. You don't need to do any conversion.
17:29 πŸ”— JAA I need to leave for a bit now, but I'll happily discuss this with you further later.
17:29 πŸ”— cm then the viewing tool would have to support 1.0 and 1.1 indefinitely
17:30 πŸ”— cm JAA: okay bye for now
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18:13 πŸ”— JAA cm: That's correct, but that's necessary anyway, and the two spec versions are anyway extremely similar, so it's quite easy to support both in one tool.
18:14 πŸ”— atphoenix from the tweet linked in main channel about namco IP changes "heads up, the license period for Namco's Catalog IP project, which allowed indie devs to make mobile games & other content using classic Namco IP, expires on March 31, meaning all those games are due to disappear in a week's timeβ€”if you saw any that seemed fun, get em while u can
18:14 πŸ”— atphoenix "
18:14 πŸ”— atphoenix more: https://namco.fandom.com/wiki/Namco_Catalog_IP
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20:24 πŸ”— cm JAA: cool
20:24 πŸ”— cm i am curious: why not just update the spec to be unambiguous, and keep the same format?
20:24 πŸ”— cm same format that everyone but wget uses i mean
20:25 πŸ”— cm does 1.1 include worthwhile enhancements?
20:25 πŸ”— JAA That's what happened with 1.1. A valid proper 1.0 WARC (without angle brackets on WARC-Target-URI) is a valid 1.1 WARC when replacing the version number.
20:26 πŸ”— JAA Yes, 1.1 specifies the revisit record references by URI and date instead of record ID.
20:27 πŸ”— JAA If you want the details: https://github.com/JustAnotherArchivist/warc-specifications/blob/comparison-1.0-v-1.1/specifications/warc-format/warc-1.1/diff1.0-short.md
20:35 πŸ”— cm cool thanks
20:45 πŸ”— JAA One correction: A valid proper 1.0 WARC (without angle brackets on WARC-Target-URI *and WARC-Profile*) is a valid 1.1 WARC when replacing the version number. (And the number must be replaced in both the first header line and the WARC-Profile values.)
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