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LiveWeb save no longer works for Twitter https://web.archive.org/web/20200607065145/https://twitter.com/KremlinRussia |
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Hasn't WBM's SPN not doing well when it comes to Twitter content overall ever since that transition? Doesn't help the JS and XHR overall of a mess s: |
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OrIdow6 |
Could be SPN itself, could be the playback, could be both, as far as I know |
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E.g. it uses a weird HTTP method called OPTIONS (https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Methods/OPTIONS), and if you block those in the live version, it fails, but playback falls apart even before it tries to load that |
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OrIdow6 |
*block those requests |
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As I understood it, SPN2 just uses a browser (headless Chromium/Chrome?) and a MITM proxy to write WARCs. So the retrieval should be fine. SPN, however, never handled JS properly at all. The issue here, I think, is that Twitter uses POST requests, and the WBM can't replay those because it uses POST for its own purposes. |
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I was thinking the SPN proxy could fail to handle OPTIONS properly (as MITMproxy seemed to a few hours ago) |
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(Though IIRC they don't use anything based on MITMProxy, they use their own thing) |
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warcprox |
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But, for practical purposes, you're right - as I said, it fails before the CONNECTs, so that can't be the problem, anyway |
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And I *think* mitmproxy supports OPTIONS etc. just fine. |
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JAA |
The WBM playback probably doesn't though. |
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OrIdow6 |
The WBM playback I'm using is a ~12-line script I wrote in March, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case - I've mostly used MITMProxy for diagnostic stuff vs. manipulating the traffic |
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OrIdow6 |
Anyhow, a test SPN *may* have come back to me with the old layout - hard to tell, because it's being coy and telling me it wasn't captured |
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OrIdow6 |
now |
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JAA |
https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://api.twitter.com/2/timeline/profile/158650448.json?* |
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JAA |
Oh, that's chromebot. :-) |
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JAA |
By the way, OPTIONS isn't weird at all. It used to be obscure, but with CORS, that's a perfectly normal request. |
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JAA |
As in, widely used nowadays. |
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Oh, ok - never been heavily involved in web stuff, thankfully |
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JAA: So it doesn't seem like WBM replay is broken with all POST requests. For example, here's a planeswalker points page, captured with chromebot, that uses a POST request to load data: https://web.archive.org/web/20200520194601/https://www.wizards.com/Magic/PlaneswalkerPoints/1 |
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I also think SPN worked for planeswalker points pages, when I tested a few |
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jodizzle: SPN or SPN2? |
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Is there a way to tell the difference? I just went to /save and used that. |
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If you use /save/URL, that's SPN, if you use /save/, enter a URL, press a button, that's SPN2. |
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I think, anyway. |
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Okay, then it was SPN2 in that case. |
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And you're right, POST playback is not entirely broken, but IIRC, the WBM just doesn't make a difference between POST or GET requests. The HTTP body is ignored entirely, so if that's used in any way to identify the resource to load, it won't work. |
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Ah, interesting |
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JAA |
Unless they changed anything about that recently, but I have my doubts. |
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JAA |
Ultimately, this is a more fundamental issue. What if request headers influence the response? What about timing? And so on. It's really hard to properly archive interactive websites with perfect playback. |
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"Best" I could think of would be a forked browser which also archives all non-deterministic interactive things (e.g. datetime, OS information, canvas stuff, webcam if accessed, keyboard, mouse). Playback would also replay those events etc. and intercept the network requests. That'd be an awful lot of work, and I'm sure there'd still be things that would break it. |
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