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w0rmhole |
JAA: does the whole "leaking new movies" thing apply to private trackers? and can OVH see your stuff on there? (i assume they do, and sorry for the 20 q's) |
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w0rmhole |
asking because im part of a private tracker which does just that, and trying to seed ~80GB blu ray copies of movies on my terrible internet is suicidal |
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JAA |
w0rmhole: If you upload high-profile content as the first person, you'll get attention no matter where you are. They will track you down eventually most likely. |
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JAA |
If you only download and then seed the content, that's not likely to cause any issues unless OVH suddenly changes their policies. |
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JAA |
They make a lot of money from either people renting servers as seedboxes or from seedbox resellers (like Feral and so on), so it's in their best interest to not do anything about it basically. |
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JAA |
They'll comply with legal requests though. |
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w0rmhole |
ok cool downloading and then seeding is what i was going to do anyway. i might (very unlikely) upload some files to there and seed them, but they most likely wouldn't be movies or anything like that. if i did, it would probably just be some old DOS software or something like that |
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JAA |
Regarding OVH seeing your stuff, well, that's a complex question. By default, OVH has access to your server; they install an SSH key on the root account for monitoring and support purposes, but it could obviously be used for anything else as well. |
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JAA |
They operate the network, so they can always observe all your traffic. Lots of torrent traffic are unencrypted, and even when encryption is in use, identification may be possible. |
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JAA |
They'll also see your announce requests, and if the tracker doesn't use HTTPS for those, they'll even be able to tell which torrents you have in your client, how much you've downloaded and uploaded on them, etc. |
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JAA |
Whether they *do* that is a completely different question. As mentioned above, they have good reason to just ignore the torrenting until law enforcement comes knocking. |
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w0rmhole |
so you said OVH are known for not really caring about people seeding/downloading pi**ted stuff on their [virtual private] servers, right? i.e. i would have nothing to worry about provided i use it with private trackers. now on the off chance they do get a dmca claim i'd be f****d, right? |
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w0rmhole |
sorry that beginning was typed way before you said everything else |
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w0rmhole |
i just want to be safe, since i've already been busted once in the past (on my home network and with no vpn) |
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JAA |
Yeah, I don't think you need to worry too much about that. But if you want to be safe, you can always order through a reseller which lets you order and pay "anonymously". (Actually staying anonymous is obviously quite difficult.) |
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w0rmhole |
i.e. feralhosting? |
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JAA |
I was thinking of services where you actually get an OVH machine, but that's more relevant if you need a dedicated server. Yeah, a seedbox provider would probably work for that. No idea what Feral specifically requires/how you can pay. |
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w0rmhole |
ok thanks for the information |
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w0rmhole |
so, just so i understand this correctly, in my situation (where i mainly intend on using this as a seedbox w/ private trackers), you would recommend i go through OVH or an OVH reseller? |
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JAA |
I'd probably go with a seedbox provider in your case. |
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JAA |
(By the way, Feral doesn't use OVH machines, I think. Some smaller seedbox providers certainly do though.) |
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w0rmhole |
ok thanks |
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w0rmhole |
JAA: so with your VPS, are you able to do clonezilla backups or any kind of disk image of your server's contents in case your account/their servers get pulled, or drives fail on their part, or some other reason that would warrant you losing your stuff up there? |
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w0rmhole |
*cause, not warrant |
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w0rmhole |
my mistake, english isn't my best |
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Flashfire |
W0rmhole ask kiska about their lounge server |
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w0rmhole |
kiska: i hear you have a louge server? |
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w0rmhole |
*lounge |
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JAA |
w0rmhole: I'm not sure since I don't usually run image-based backups (only file-based ones, the most trivial of which you can do with rsync or scp). It depends on the setup for sure. If you use LVM or a snapshotting-capable file system (e.g. ZFS, btrfs), then that should work. But yeah, no experience with it. |
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w0rmhole |
oh, ok. thanks |
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JAA |
w0rmhole: Also, with VPS, you typically get KVM access. You can reboot your machine into that completely independent system (sometimes called "rescue" because it allows you to recover from issues such as boot problems or network misconfigurations). From there, you could definitely grab a disk image. |
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kiska |
hrm? w0rmhole? |
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w0rmhole |
JAA: oh that's cool. so in that case it would kind of be like sitting in front of virtualbox's vm manager |
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w0rmhole |
kiska: idk flashfire suggested i ask about your lounge |
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Flashfire |
Shhh dont rope me back into this |
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w0rmhole |
kiska: and my apologies for not conversing with you sooner, i got really busy moving and didnt have time to hop on |
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w0rmhole |
sorry flash |
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kiska |
Sorry catching up |
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kiska |
Give me 2 secs |
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w0rmhole |
sure |
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kiska |
Alright I am done catching up on 200+ messages, do you just need a persistent connection like flashfire? |
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astrid |
Flashfire desperately needs a persistent connection |
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Flashfire |
Yes I have that now lol |
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kiska |
lol astrid |
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JAA |
w0rmhole: In case you have no idea what this is about (which I assume), The Lounge is an IRC client with a web interface that lets you stay online constantly, use the client from different devices, etc. |
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JAA |
Flashfire: If only you remembered the server name... :-P |
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kiska |
astrid you'll notice if you do a whois on my name and flashfire its the same IP |
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kiska |
JAA lol xD |
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Flashfire |
bahahaha that was trying to connect on my gimped ipod |
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w0rmhole |
yes my internet connection drops about every 20 minutes. |
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w0rmhole |
and i didnt know about the louge. im still very new to irc things |
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kiska |
Well lets move this to a PM so I can give you authentication details |
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kiska |
Hello w0rmhole! |
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kiska |
From my webirc server :) |
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w0rmhole |
hi kiska! :D |
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kiska |
Anyway now if you close your browser and reopen the tab, you'll find that the messages you sent before still exist |
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kiska |
And your connection isn't lost |
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Flashfire |
if kiska doesnt run out of space and delete old messages |
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kiska |
Shouldn't for a long time |
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w0rmhole |
that's awesome, thank you very much! |
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kiska |
"ev/simfs 30G 1.4G 29G 5% /" |
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kiska |
Text isn't a space hog, and besides I can always compress it |
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w0rmhole |
ahh i wish `tubeup' would stop messing up o_o |
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w0rmhole |
kiska: is this hosted locally? |
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kiska |
I am hosting this on a vps somewhere |
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kiska |
xD |
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w0rmhole |
oh nice |
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w0rmhole |
JAA: (or anyone really) do you know if archivebot (or any other tool) has a magnet link counterpart? i.e. paste a magnet link in and it is preserved somewhere? |
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JAA |
w0rmhole: I don't know of such a tool. Someone mentioned the idea of archiving the entire DHT a while ago in -bs, but I don't think that ever happened. |
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w0rmhole |
dang. it would be really handy. there's one public tracker in particular (idk if im allowed to link to it/name it here) that new torrents are added to it every day, and within like the next five days they usually have 0 seeders |
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JAA |
If you can get a .torrent file, you can upload that to IA and it'll grab the content. But be careful with what you use that for. |
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JAA |
I don't think it supports magnet links though. |
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w0rmhole |
what's IA? |
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w0rmhole |
internet archive? |
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JAA |
Yes |
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23:56
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Flashfire |
Internet archive |
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w0rmhole |
oh sorry i misread it; i read it as "upload to that IA" |
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w0rmhole |
cool i didnt know they did that i'll check it out |
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23:57
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w0rmhole |
the only downside is its internet archive. not that that's a bad thing, but they don't like pir**ed things |
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Flashfire |
They will turn a blind eye to a movie that was found on a VHS tape no one has heard of |
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23:58
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JAA |
Yes, that's exactly what I meant by "be careful with what you use that for". |
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Flashfire |
They just dont want you uploading infinity war |
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w0rmhole |
lol oh i know, the site in particular is about mac programmes/games |
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w0rmhole |
modern |
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w0rmhole |
so probably a no |
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Flashfire |
Depends how modern |