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[05:08] *** JAA has joined #archiveteam-ot [05:08] Hey JAA is back [05:08] *** svchfoo1 sets mode: +o JAA [05:09] *** bakJAA sets mode: +o JAA [05:12] *** kiskabak2 has joined #archiveteam-ot [05:12] *** jspiros has joined #archiveteam-ot [05:16] *** m007a83_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [05:20] *** BlueMax has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [05:24] *** m007a83 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [05:24] *** m007a83_ is now known as m007a83 [05:43] *** Flashback has joined #archiveteam-ot [05:44] Just watched a teenager get yelled at for not having his myki on the bus so when he got off the bus he lifted the back of the bus and ran [05:44] RIP [05:44] when the bus driver got out the teen proceeded to call the driver a skinhead cunt and offer him to suck on his nuts. [05:44] Gotta love australia [05:45] How about we meet up when I am in Melbourne for Pax? [05:45] xD [05:45] When I go into hospital I will invite you to visit me in melbourne hospital lol [05:46] xD [05:46] Gotta love irc instability [05:47] *** Flashfire has joined #archiveteam-ot [05:47] What is a myki? [05:48] Transport card [05:48] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myki [05:48] *** kiskaBak has joined #archiveteam-ot [05:48] What a weird name [05:48] I mean we have "Opal" here in NSW [05:49] I think they thought that "myki" = "My key" to Victoria public transport [05:49] Yeah something like that probs [05:53] Speaking of weird ideas cities have https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsqeNdFzvlQ , if you are ever in the area I will buy you a beer [05:56] Flashfire "Inadequate card reader response times: The time it takes readers to respond to a Myki card is variable and frequently too slow, and the situation has not improved noticeably since the introduction on regional buses in 2009. Users often compare Myki unfavourably to other smart-card ticketing systems in this regard." [05:57] Jut I actually have lithuanian heritage [05:57] *** hook54321 has joined #archiveteam-ot [06:01] *** BlueMax has joined #archiveteam-ot [06:02] Also sorry I won't be able to buy you a beer for two more years, sorry I keep forgetting. [06:02] But im 18 [06:02] I am 20 xD [06:03] Myki, stand in front of reader for ~2 minutes for it to recognise your card then "touch" you on [06:03] yes [06:03] * jut silently gurmbles about current government [06:03] lol [06:03] We have had no less than 6 prime ministers in the last 10 years xD [06:03] Talk about churn [06:04] And dont forget harold holt kiska [06:04] WE FUCKING LOST HIM [06:04] WHERE DID HE GO [06:04] xD [06:04] NO ONE KNOWS [06:04] He went to hell xD [06:04] He went swimming and didnt come back [06:04] AND WHAT DID WE DO [06:04] WE NAMED A FUCKING POOL AFTER HIM [06:05] Oh he was a liberal? LOL They disappear all the time xD [06:06] Into obscurity not off the face of the earth [06:09] Well our Christian conservative party is liberal, our liberals are corrupt, our democratic socialists are in 3 separate parties, and the greens are crazy "Without a religious upbringing children will create biological weapons"- Agnė Širinskienė [06:11] Flashfire "On 11 June 2015 a Melbourne commuter found that they owed MYKI A$2,684,350 erroneously, while trying to load more funds onto their card." [06:11] HAHAHAHA [06:13] Wow such money [06:14] Yep [06:17] kiska remember this gem [06:17] "When your roof is getting lost, between the lichen and the moss, when your mortar isn't where it oughta be. Then give it back that old appeal, with a visit from roof seal: One three hundred thirty six seven O', seven O'. [06:17] Roof roof." [06:17] xD [06:17] 1300 6 555 06 [06:19] no [06:19] get that out of my head now [06:19] you bastard [06:20] Bahahaha [06:20] lol [06:20] and thats how you tell a fellow australian [06:21] bluemax hello fellow aussie [06:21] praise be to you and fuck collingwood [06:22] This is what I call ptv disaster [06:22] https://imgur.com/a/FmCAiB3 [06:22] They haven't had real time tracking since they introduced myki in 2008 xD [06:23] Meanwhile NSW has real time tracking since 2014 [06:24] Flashfire I don't actually follow sports...but yeah [06:25] Oh btw flashfire if you wanna be annoyed at every ping, enable push notifications [06:25] I have [06:25] Also browser notifications as well [06:26] What are you running that gives browser notifications? [06:31] The Lounge [06:31] http://thelounge.chat jut [06:32] I run weechat with glowing bear frontend [06:33] Look at this beautiful UI: https://imgur.com/a/RUtIUkC [06:33] xD [06:34] thelounge is a great little project [06:34] with not much recognition [06:34] I run my backup nick on it too [06:34] Yeah if you have a spare, really cheap vps, you can run the lounge [06:34] Its super lightweight for what it is [06:35] Yup. Runs great on my 128MB RAM cheapo vps :) [06:35] Yep I run on 64MB [06:35] haha [06:36] what provider? [06:36] ipxcore [06:36] Its like $1 [06:36] woah that takes me back [06:36] per month [06:37] and i get to freeload [06:37] xD [06:37] Sorry 96MB of memory [06:37] *** caff has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [06:38] Yep cause nbn is too unstable to host an irc client [06:39] But so is underworld [06:39] haha [06:39] Hehehe shots fired xD [06:39] EfNet is actually the worst [07:25] *** schbirid has joined #archiveteam-ot [09:29] *** caff has joined #archiveteam-ot [09:30] *** caff has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [11:01] So I found the Archive team collection on Archive.org and for fun searched for Lithuania, the first hit was not what I expected https://archive.org/details/youtube-uXBfSoGqNbE :) [11:05] kiska: Yeah, for the first time, both my primary and my backup client disconnected at the same time. RIP. [11:07] Kiska has like 4 back ups at this point [11:09] Well yeah, I have two as well because you can't join more than 50 channels on most servers. [11:09] I’m running BOINC while I sleep and then the warrior while I’m connected to the internet [11:51] *** wp494 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [11:51] *** wp494 has joined #archiveteam-ot [11:52] *** FluffyFox has joined #archiveteam-ot [11:53] *** Frogging has quit IRC (se.hub irc.efnet.nl) [11:53] *** VoynichCr has quit IRC (se.hub irc.efnet.nl) [11:53] *** Tenebrae has quit IRC (se.hub irc.efnet.nl) [11:53] *** MrRadar2 has quit IRC (se.hub irc.efnet.nl) [11:53] *** BnAboyZ has quit IRC (se.hub irc.efnet.nl) [11:55] *** Tenebrae has joined #archiveteam-ot [11:59] *** MrRadar2 has joined #archiveteam-ot [11:59] *** VoynichCr has joined #archiveteam-ot [12:08] *** FluffyFox is now known as Frogging [12:21] *** MrRadar2 has quit IRC (hub.efnet.us irc.efnet.nl) [12:21] *** VoynichCr has quit IRC (hub.efnet.us irc.efnet.nl) [12:21] *** Tenebrae has quit IRC (hub.efnet.us irc.efnet.nl) [12:32] *** Tenebrae has joined #archiveteam-ot [12:33] *** VoynichCr has joined #archiveteam-ot [12:33] *** MrRadar2 has joined #archiveteam-ot [12:38] *** Aoede has joined #archiveteam-ot [12:43] *** BlueMax has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:19] *** MrRadar2 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [14:06] *** MrRadar2 has joined #archiveteam-ot [14:15] From #archivebot [14:15] [2018-08-27 13:36:45] What is NBN [25/9605] [14:15] [2018-08-27 13:36:56] ? [14:15] [2018-08-27 13:37:17] Its the National Broadband Network, basically Australia's national government infrastructure project [14:15] [2018-08-27 13:37:31] To give everyone including rural, access to >25mbps [14:15] [2018-08-27 13:37:55] Is it working? [14:15] [2018-08-27 13:38:00] The project is costing the gov ~A$75 Billion xD [14:15] [2018-08-27 13:39:01] In the loosest terms its "working". Since I went from ADSL of speeds 2.1 mbps download and 0.7 mbps upload to 100 mbps download and 40 mbp [14:15] s upload [14:15] [2018-08-27 13:41:50] Other people.... not so fortunate [14:15] [2018-08-27 13:43:50] Dare I ask, how much are you paying? [14:15] [2018-08-27 13:45:58] kiska: Ok, thanks for letting me know. [14:15] [2018-08-27 13:46:18] I am paying $70/month [14:15] [2018-08-27 13:48:11] AUD, I assume? That's not too bad. [14:15] [2018-08-27 13:50:58] yep [14:15] [2018-08-27 13:51:46] I could get 1000 mbit download and 400 mbit upload but it would cost me an arm and a leg. ie ~A$3500/month is what I am quoted [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:01:56] 250/100 - $230/mo [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:01:56] 500/200 - $1400/mo [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:01:56] 1000/400 - $3500/mo [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:01:56] 1000/1000 - $4300/mo [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:01:56] 2000/1000 - $7100/mo [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:02:44] Approximate, since credit card surcharge is like 0.38% [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:04:39] Where do you live? That are prices I'd expect at the top of Matterhorn or so. :-D [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:05:26] Sydney, Australia [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:06:16] City or region? Within the city, that'd be crazy. [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:06:26] * MrRadar2 (~tyler@51.15.45.85) join [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:06:44] Though I don't know much about Australia's internet setup. [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:06:50] Suburb, Glenfield [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:07:06] Ah, makes sense. [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:07:10] Region - Campbelltown [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:08:03] So the problem with Australia is we have the landmass of the US, while having 10% of the population xD [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:08:10] 50 km from Sydney, yeah, that makes sense. [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:08:33] Right [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:08:36] The prices for city and suburb doesn't differ that much [14:16] [2018-08-27 14:08:53] If I was right in the city then the prices would only be 15% cheaper [14:16] No need to paste everything. lol [14:17] xD [14:18] But yes we pay a ton for our internet, since wholesale is pretty expensive [14:18] I just looked up some prices in small cities here in CH, and you can rarely get over 100 Mbit/s down + 20 Mbit/s up over copper for ~100 AUD/month. [14:19] Here is the updated price list: https://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco2/2018/documents/sell/wba/SFAA_WBA_PriceList_nbnEthernetProductModule20180706.pdf [14:19] I'm quite lucky that I live in a place where this symmetric Gbit offer is available. [14:19] I can get symmetric gbit but as I said it would cost an arm and a leg [14:20] I mean yeah, you can always let them lay a fibre just for you if you pay enough, I guess. [14:20] Here is the product description: https://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco2/2018/documents/sell/wba/SFAA_WBA_ProductDescription_nbnEthernetProductModule20180706.pdf [14:21] Well nbn is comprised of ~30% fttn, ~30% fttp, ~7% satellite/fixed wireless and ~33% HFC [14:23] Those prices I listed, it doesn't matter if they are on fibre or copper, obviously copper won't deliver the speed, but I asked them for a quotation and yeah the difference between city and suburban is ~15%. And the difference between fibre and HFC is 0% [14:25] Interesting. [14:26] There are 191 points of interconnects, for the network. As I said purchased bandwidth is aggregated between customers. So business contention ratio is like 4:1 or maybe 8:1 [14:27] Because to purchase 1000 mbit of bandwidth would cost A$17.5k so contention ratio needs to be a thing [14:28] nbnco is the network builder but they only wholesale [14:29] It's quite complex here. The copper network is owned by Swisscom, I believe, which used to be entirely state-owned but is now semi-privatised (the Swiss Confederation owns 51 % of the shares), and they're forced to make the network available for competitors as well. The fibre network is different in every city or even community. Here in Zurich, it's owned and operated by Elektrizitätswerke Zürich, [14:29] which is part of the local government and also responsible for power plants and distribution. [14:31] I see, nbn is owned by the federal government here and the technology choice isn't the best [14:31] Had the government spent ~A$5 Billion everyone would have been able to get FTTP xD [14:31] "COMMUNISM!!1!" [14:32] Yep! [14:34] More like "Sooner, faster, cheaper" [14:35] Which it isn't xD [14:35] I just had to remember their stupid election slogan [14:37] What if you convince your entire street to get fibre would that be cheaper? [14:38] Nope [14:39] Remember wholesale prices [14:40] We have this wonderful organisation called British Telecom [14:40] Slow, expensive and genrally slow [14:40] That sounds like Telstra :P [14:41] and the max (most available) download is 80Mbps, 330Mbps if you live in the right place [14:41] Hey HCross would you be hawc on discord and Harry on LET? [14:41] yep [14:41] thats me [14:41] Hey! [14:41] Hello :) [14:42] You might remember as kiska xD [14:42] ah yep [14:43] the UK internet infra is bad [14:43] nbn is bad [14:43] I was in the Netherlands a couple of weeks back.. 100Mbps everywhere [14:43] symmetrical [14:43] I am lucky to get 100mbit for $70/mo [14:44] tbf, I've got 100Mbit here, but its UPC and the upload is constricted to hell [14:44] 100 down, 6 up. 6 that halves if you upload too much during peak, and then halves again if you keep going [14:44] We had Lietuvos telekomas it was shit according to older people, then it was aquired by the swedish, so what i wish to all of you that your national internet providers get acquired by the swedish [14:44] :) [14:45] its great, my LTE regularly exceeds my home internet [14:45] Fuck UPC [14:45] We don't have restriction per se [14:46] can you get to the point of 0 mbit upload? hcross [14:46] We had UPC internet over coax a few years ago in a shared flat, and it was atrocious. Similar specs to what you mentioned above, except that was only the theoretical speed. I never managed to exceed 60 Mb/s down, and it was frequently below 10 Mb/s. [14:47] kiska: nope. Max they cut down to is 1.5 [14:47] So still faster than my old ADSL connection :) [14:48] JAA: just ran an LTE test.. 140 down, 30 up [14:48] My LTE is usually 180 down 70 up [14:48] But I have got 20GB of data, and its $10/GB if I go over [14:49] 20GB here, not sure what my overages are [14:50] I ended up last month with something like 500MB left [14:51] How much do you guys pay for that? [14:51] £22 a month, but that comes with unlimited calls and texts, and I can spend 15GB of that data in the EU [14:52] I pay $80/mo [14:52] *cries* [14:52] you can do it cheaper, but the carrier is complete crap [14:52] For £22, I'd get 2 GB of traffic here. [14:52] Maybe 3, depending on the provider. [14:53] https://shop.ee.co.uk/sim-only/pay-monthly-phones [14:53] Zero roaming included usually. [14:53] EU roaming is an EU regulation [14:53] Though one provider (Wingo) recently changed that and now includes 1 GB of roaming per month. [14:53] Yeah, right. [14:53] I rocked up in France, Belgium and NL last month, text from EE straight away saying everything was ready, and it worked [14:54] I hammered Spotify and Plex all week [14:54] For me $5 per day roaming xD [14:54] There's a special situation in Liechtenstein where roaming in the EU has to be included even though they're not in the EU. I'd love that plan. [14:54] *sigh* [14:54] I'm sure they loved me streaming Plex while roaming [14:54] Hehe [14:54] Hahaha [14:55] Don't worry, won't last much longer... ;-) [14:55] Unfortunately [14:55] lol [14:55] reminds me.. need to work on something for hawc.eu [14:55] But yeah JAA the cost structure for nbn is... complex [14:55] But yeah, mobile prices here are completely ridiculous. [14:56] and EE is part of DTAG now, so I suspect the roaming doesnt cost them that much [14:58] kiska: heh, EE charge £6 a day for 500MB in AU [14:58] Oh do they? xD [14:58] Yep [14:58] haha [14:58] Roaming typically costs on the order of €50 per GB on Swiss providers. [14:59] although.. dual sim phone here, id just get a local sim [14:59] I am sure you'll like to hammer you wallet with roaming [14:59] I just love the fact I can rock up in any EU nation (for now), get my phone out and just use it like I do at home [15:00] Yeah, I've been considering getting a French or German SIM. It would in fact probably be cheaper to do that for everything than to use a Swiss SIM. [15:01] I saw quite a few contracts in France which include roaming in Switzerland, for example. And they included more traffic than a similarly priced Swiss plan. [15:01] it was interesting though, T-Mobile NL were throttling me the entire week [15:02] Neither Orange Belgium or Orange France did [15:03] 80Mbit down in FR and BE, struggled to get 10Mbit in NL [16:25] It's definitely odd to think 330/50 is the fastest you can get in the UK, from the big providers (excl LL, etc) [16:26] BT being constantly in a state of "I guess we've got to blow some fibre" and then spinning round and claiming they've found a way to make copper last another 10 years [16:26] *** bitBaron has joined #archiveteam-ot [17:55] *** caff has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:51] i'm shocked, shocked to hear that people are using spotify instead of having 50 microSD cards full of literally every song ever [18:56] * JAA doesn't use Spotify. [18:56] Hey. When the Internet goes away and we're all huddling around burning trash cans and solar panels to charge our phones, I'm gonna be the one getting the ladies' attention with my grooves. [18:57] yeah it's funny now... [18:57] fenn: How dare you? You need to cary at least 100 microSD cards with FLAC 24bit /192kHz [18:58] a true flac jacket [18:59] what are we up to, 512 gb micro sd? [19:00] average 1 minute per meg of mp3 audio, 512 gb would hold 364 days of continuous music. [19:02] a nice birthday present [19:03] pop it into a $6 copycat ipod shuffle, plugged into a car battery, and you've got yourself the makings of a remote pirate FM radio station [19:04] solar powered drone [19:04] gotta break as many laws as possible at once [19:06] we're almost lucky to be alive in this era, where solar and battery capacity are limited enough that our skies aren't polluted with billions of always-flight drones. [19:10] hmm [19:13] police patrol cars would be instantly replaced/supplimented with dozens of drones instead, zipping around, detecting traffic violations and street fights autonomously [19:14] but how would the policemen get paid then? [19:14] * jut laughs [19:14] conducting 10 times as many arrests per day [19:14] now that they have omnipotence [19:52] ELI5 when you are dead, you are dead right? You can't profit from copyright so why +75 ? #archiveteam for context [19:55] your estate can [19:55] whoever inherits what you did can [20:09] The Walt Disney Company can. [20:11] JAA: [20:11] My country has Life +70 this is just sad [20:14] *** chferfa has joined #archiveteam-ot [20:15] *** schbirid has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [20:16] *** Jens has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [20:17] *** Jens has joined #archiveteam-ot [20:26] jut: Yeah, life + 70 here as well. [20:47] America has made great strides imposing its copyright laws on other countries [20:48] it'll be interesting to see which laws other countries force America to implement [21:00] *** Muad-Dib has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) [21:19] "life + 70" sounds like a prison sentence [21:29] That's because it is a prison sentence, just in the opposite sense. [22:06] *** bitBaron has quit IRC (My computer has gone to sleep. 😴😪ZZZzzz…) [22:08] *** chirlu has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [22:16] *** chirlu has joined #archiveteam-ot [22:35] "As the first IRCd went online at the end of august 1988, IRC (and as its direct descendant, also EFnet) is celebrating its 30th birthday right now. See: [22:35] http://www.irc.org/history_docs/jarkko.html - Come celebrate in #IRC30 and lets brainstorm about a fitting midlife crisis for IRC ;)" [22:35] I thought that was channel spam at first [22:35] I think EFNet is already unstable enough. Let's not add another crisis to that. [22:36] Yeah it’s a shit storm [22:36] #easilyforgotnet [23:25] *** Panasonic has joined #archiveteam-ot