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RIP |
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Oh no! I am the only OP |
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QUICK OP ME |
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I kid of course |
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ivan_ |
https://twitter.com/Foone/status/1090852022193029120 |
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ivan_ |
https://gist.github.com/ivan/411e75128eb22f4a278a87f98a58ef74 in case anyone wants to archive podcasts from anchor.fm |
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ivan_ |
they've got a javascript player that works on a list of m4a files that they don't bother to concatenate during the publishing process |
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the feeds they publish to iTunes/Overcast are missing new episodes |
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Raccoon |
What are some of the popular podcasts on anchor.fm |
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Raccoon |
popular + competent :) |
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ivan_ |
https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aanchor.fm&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 |
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ivan_ |
the only one I had any interest in was the unpopular https://anchor.fm/emerge |
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ivan_ |
my script probably needs support for non-m4a segments |
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ivan_ |
as far as I can tell anchor.fm is a podcast production and distribution thing and most podcasts can be archived at other locations, at least when anchor is publishing correct feeds |
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Raccoon |
that is a strange script. it begins immediate download buffering upon just visiting the page. 41 megabytes over 49 seconds (my download speed) |
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without even pressing play |
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Raccoon |
https://d3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net/staging/2019-0-28/8952703-44100-2-73f3c6d5dbade.m4a |
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Raccoon |
i don't think there are any time/session keys |
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Raccoon |
YouTube-dl only grabs the podcast intro |
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Raccoon |
you might consider adding your code to the YouTube-dl project |
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hook54321 |
wtf. why don't debian's repos support https? |
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hook54321 |
switching to a mirror that does. sometimes I don't care if something supports https, in this case I do though. |
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eientei95 |
hook54321: I take it you saw the apt vuln |
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hook54321 |
nope, I didn't :/ |
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hook54321 |
link? |
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hook54321 |
wait, found it |
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hook54321 |
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/01/22/debian_package_manager_flaws/ |
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hook54321 |
gonna update everything and hope nothing breaks |
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yano |
i created torrents for the Sintel movie that were later rendered in higher quality: https://pastebin.com/YTkxEHS9 |
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JAA |
I like how all the "but the packages get authenticated over a secure channel (GPG) anyway, so there is no way to compromise systems even when using HTTP" people can go fuck themselves now. |
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kiska |
JAA: So did you like the 3 hour netsplit? |
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JAA |
Β―\_(γ)_/Β― Just another day on EFNet. |
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Raccoon |
Β |
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Raccoon |
Β―\_(ΓΆ)_/Β― Β __(ΓΆ)Β \Β Β /Β (ΓΆ)Β \Β Β Β Β (ΓΆ)Β Β Β \__(ΓΆ)__/ Β―\_(ΓΆ)Β Β Β Β /Β (ΓΆ)__Β Β __(ΓΆ)__Β |
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Β Β Β |12Β‘|Β Β Β Β \Β |13Β‘|Β―Β―Β Β Β―Β―|7Β‘|Β―Β―Β /Β―Β―|13Β‘|Β―Β―\ Β Β Β |2Β‘|Β Β Β Β Β Β |5Β‘|Β―\_ Β Β―Β―|4Β‘|Β /Β Β \Β |3Β‘|Β /Β |
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Raccoon |
Β Β Β /~\Β Β Β Β Β Β /~\Β Β Β Β Β Β \~\Β Β Β Β Β Β /~\/Β―Β Β Β Β /~\Β Β Β Β Β Β /~\/Β―Β Β Β Β /~\Β Β Β Β Β―\/~\Β Β Β |
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Raccoon |
Β Β /_Β /_Β Β Β _/Β Β _\Β Β Β Β _/Β /_Β Β Β _/Β Β Β Β Β Β Β _/Β Β Β \_Β Β Β _\Β Β Β Β Β Β _/Β Β Β \_Β Β Β Β Β Β Β \_Β |
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hook54321 |
JAA: I went on #debian on freenode and asked about it and that was basically the response some people gave |
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JAA |
Yeah |
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JAA |
Not to mention that it's leaking a list of all installed packages including the exact version numbers. WCGW? |
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Fusl |
10:21 <Raccoon> that is a strange script. it begins immediate download buffering upon just visiting the page. |
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Fusl |
kinda like amazon video starts buffering videos as soon as you visit the description page of a movie/tv show |
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Fusl |
as soon as you click play, it starts playing immediately |
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Fusl |
i like that Β―\_(γ)_/Β― |
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Fusl |
i wouldnt like that on mobile, accounted traffic though |
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yano |
someone with a Reddit account, could someone please post https://pastebin.com/YTkxEHS9 to /r/DataHolders ? |
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hook54321: debians's repos don't support https because they are hosted by multiple individuals. having to give every one of them the private key for the TLS certificate is as bad as not having TLS |
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Fusl |
s/DataHolders/DataHorders/ |
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Fusl |
or something like that |
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yano |
yeah, that |
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Fusl |
/r/datahoarders/ |
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yano |
i think there is also, /r/DHExchange |
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Fusl |
just woke up can't think yet |
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yano |
no worries |
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hook54321 |
I'm not recommending they use GPG instead of https.... |
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yano |
GPG is just as bad as SSL |
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Fusl |
yeah i think DHEx is more suited for that |
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yano |
s/SSL/TLS/ |
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yano |
PGP/GPG doesn't offer the ability to do PFS |
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so once the keys are broke everything is vulnerable |
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at least TLS offers PFS against that |
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oh, i missed your "not" at the beginning |
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yano |
carry on |
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hook54321 |
The main things I'm concerned about are people other than the person hosting the mirror being easily able to see what packages I'm downloading and possibly what packages I have installed. |
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Fusl: 40 megabytes is rather unpredicted for simply visiting the landing page. |
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and MITM attacks done by people not hosting the mirror |
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Raccoon: agree. what i'm saying is that if they can figure out whether the current internet access you're currently using is metered or not, it's a great feature to doing so |
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but since that's not possible to do (finding out metered or not metered), it's rather suboptimal |
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hook54321: here ya go, https://wiki.debian.org/DebTorrent |
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yano |
Β«This page is intended to collect information, ideas and comments related to adding BitTorrent functionality to the downloading of package files by Apt.Β» |
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hook54321 |
hm? |
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That's interesting for the mirror operators for sure, but it doesn't solve the privacy problem. It's been a while since I looked into it, but I think most BitTorrent traffic is unencrypted, and even when encryption is enabled, it's quite poor. Might be wrong on that last bit though. |
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hook54321: it's aptitude via bittorrent instead of https |
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> I believe that there's no benefit on accessing Debian archive with HTTPS as they uses GnuPG for authentication |
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Boooom, dpkg exploit. |
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yano |
eh |
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anyway |
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yano |
Β«The estimated strength of the encryption corresponds to about 60Γ’β¬β80 bits for common symmetrical ciphers.[21]Β» |
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check https://deb.debian.org/ |
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> The redirection service is also available on HTTPS, so with the apt-transport-https package installed, you can use: |
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ew @ encoding issue |
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yano |
looks like X-forwarding doesn't like unicode :-( |
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yano |
relevant to BT encryption, https://security.stackexchange.com/a/149412 |
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[07:03] <Raccoon> I want to know if anyone offers an encrypted container on the server end. |
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[07:03] <Raccoon> So you can use untrusted hosts |
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re roll your own cloud service |
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Raccoon: so the problem with "encrypted container" is that the host at all possible times has to hold your encryption key and is therefore able to decrypt your data at any time. if you mean self maintained encryption, that's a possibility but then all your clients need to support that and have to hold the en- and/or decryption key for all your data |
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I already switched to a mirror in Switzerland, which seems fast enough even though I'm in the US. |
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Fusl: not if you go the way of something like a TrueCrypt container that's hosted on a network drive |
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Basically mashing TrueCrypt with the user-friendly software of DropBox or GoogleDrive or whatnot apps |
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Raccoon |
The app would hold the key, and make direct seek byte-offset requests |
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so kinda like ecryptfs for linux which is an encryption layer on top of a directory |
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hook54321: Which one? |
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Fusl_: I'm not familiar, but maybe. The next step is then to create a "change log", encrypted of course, that other clients can reference and synchronize. |
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The server being oblivious to any of this |
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performing arbitrary (raw) writes and reads as dictated by the authenticated clients |
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if you control the hardware, there's nothing from stopping you to full disk encrypt all of it and then put something like zfs on top of that from where on you can do pretty much everything |
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hook54321 |
JAA: https://debian.ethz.ch/debian/ |
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JAA |
:-) |
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Fusl |
like nextcloud, but encrypted and if someone steals that hardware, your data is protected |
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Fusl: Nobody owns their own hardware anymore, not hollistically. |
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You are either in immediate possession of your hardware, or you don't quite own it. |
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hook54321 |
Just noticed they seem to have an MXLinux mirror as well, so my other problem seems to be solved. |
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Raccoon |
Whether you're using your mom * dad's house as a node, and your brother as a node, and a rented VPS as a node |
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correct |
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in my case its basically my own servers in my own house but that house is in a country that doesn't belong to me |
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The only true way to mitigate security concerns is blind reads and writes of encrypted data |
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Raccoon |
the server never knowing the keys |
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Fusl |
https://tahoe-lafs.org/trac/tahoe-lafs :) |
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ok, that looks promising at the first paragraph |
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hook54321 |
it's not on MX's mirror list, so I'll probably not use it for that though in case they decide to drop it. |
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always funny when I'm reading a thread and fine someone telling people about SketchCow to archive rare things they own, like a video game build of a dead game |
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yano |
here we go, https://old.reddit.com/r/DHExchange/comments/alq18c/s_h_sintel_bittorrents/ |
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yano |
for the ones at the top of that, i created the torrents for, if you want to seed them, wget the original file from the source URL and then add the magnet link and do a "force recheck" |
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yano: why did you create a torrent for it? |
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arkiver: i created torrents of the top files because they are multiple gigs and they are only available on, https://download.blender.org/durian/movies/ |
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SketchCow |
I'm someone's raccoon god |
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Fusl |
explain? |
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SketchCow |
They try to summon me in threads |
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Showing up |
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rooting through the garbage |
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ah welp |
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lol |
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