#archiveteam-ot 2019-03-30,Sat

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03:56 🔗 Hintswen Youtube Red sucks. FYI.
03:58 🔗 t3 Hintswen: Did you buy it?
04:00 🔗 Hintswen I've had it for ages
04:01 🔗 kode54 my favorite part is how you can't watch two videos at once
04:02 🔗 t3 Hintswen: I think the YouTube subscriptions are confusing.
04:02 🔗 t3 I don't like how I can't have YouTube videos running in the background.
04:02 🔗 Hintswen I listen to rhett and link on google music, I watch some of their videos on youtube... and yet only now do I find out they have a series on red, it's been out for 2 years
04:03 🔗 Hintswen I've scrolled through the list of shows and never seen it there because of how badly organized it is
04:03 🔗 kode54 they renamed Red to Premium
04:03 🔗 t3 Yeah. YouTube is going downhill in the past few years.
04:03 🔗 Hintswen I've knows shows exist and scroll through to find them, and they don't show up unless I search for the name itself
04:03 🔗 t3 Has been*
04:04 🔗 Hintswen they don't see to use any of their analytics to detemine what shows you will like
04:04 🔗 Hintswen they don't advertise the shows to you
04:04 🔗 Hintswen they don't make it easy to find shows you will like
04:04 🔗 Hintswen and now I've been having constant issues with the app crashing
04:04 🔗 Hintswen reinstalled the app, still randomly crashes
04:04 🔗 t3 Me too.
04:05 🔗 Hintswen better yet, say I have 10 videos downloaded, I play the 5th, then the 6th and delete the 5th
04:05 🔗 t3 It's been crashing seemingly randomly for the past few months for me.
04:05 🔗 Hintswen becasue the 6th video is now 5th it will do one fo a handful of things
04:05 🔗 Hintswen it wil leither crash, start showing the thumbnail for the next video instead of the video, or start playing the next video
04:05 🔗 Hintswen same thign happens if I am watching a downloaded video and start downloading another one
04:05 🔗 t3 Oh, that's worse than I thought.
04:06 🔗 Hintswen I don't know if it's still like this but the android app lets you see comments on downloaded videos, and the ios app doesn't
04:07 🔗 t3 It probably still doesn't.
04:07 🔗 Hintswen I mena the ios app still doesn't but I don't know if the android one lets you
04:07 🔗 Hintswen I assume it still does
04:07 🔗 Hintswen downlaoded videos don't show if you have watched them (or partially watched them) and don't resume where you left off
04:08 🔗 Hintswen also youtube's watch history seriously sucks. I managed to watch enough videos that it basically cleared my watch history within a few days
04:08 🔗 Hintswen I can't remember how many videos it remembers but it's not enough (that was the web version not the app)
04:08 🔗 Hintswen I never relalized there was a limit until that happened
04:09 🔗 t3 My watch history was somehow cleared too! I was so annoyed.
04:09 🔗 t3 I mainly only watch YouTube from the app.
04:10 🔗 t3 And in the past year, they started showing ads right near the end of the video, but not exactly at the end.
04:10 🔗 Hintswen it's happened to me a lot mor recently... the number of times I've gone to catch up on an old series and it doesn't know what I've watched so I have no idea what is next
04:11 🔗 t3 I rate YouTube very low on the App Store.
04:11 🔗 t3 But that's not going to change anything.
04:12 🔗 t3 I'm just want YouTube to start dying, so people can move to a better service.
04:13 🔗 Hintswen like vimeo :)
04:13 🔗 Hintswen vimeo seems like a much higher quality
04:13 🔗 Hintswen much cleaner player and website too
04:14 🔗 t3 Yeah. It does.
04:14 🔗 t3 I really want Floatplane to do well.
04:15 🔗 Hintswen I don't but only because I'm sick of LTT and the ads inside videos xD (but secretly yeah, hope it does well)
04:17 🔗 t3 Floatplane I think would be ad-free.
04:17 🔗 t3 And the content creators would get much more profit from their content, I think.
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08:30 🔗 IanQ just got finished catching up on #googleminus, "if I walked, the movie would be over"
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09:43 🔗 VoynichCr i have been archiving the mainpage of 5,000 newspapers worldwide for the last 6 months, using /save/ service
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09:44 🔗 VoynichCr example https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://nwlaborpress.org/
09:48 🔗 Flashfire I have been trying to save at least 50 random pages from the depths of the internet every day
09:49 🔗 VoynichCr are you Yahoo robot?
09:49 🔗 Flashfire https://archive.org/details/@flashfire42&tab=web-archive
09:49 🔗 Flashfire i dont know if that will load for you it doesnt on my piece of shit computer
09:51 🔗 Flashfire VoynichCr no yahoo bot just gets lost and goes around in circles on bot traps
09:51 🔗 Flashfire http://www.drunkmenworkhere.org
09:51 🔗 Flashfire like this
09:53 🔗 VoynichCr "Web archives" tab doesnt load for me many times
09:53 🔗 VoynichCr honestly it only worked for me once
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10:03 🔗 phiresky i want a browser plugin that just automatically archives every website i visit (preferably so the website can be displayed exactly as it was later)
10:06 🔗 Flashfire Nah that wouldnt work
10:06 🔗 Flashfire You visit paypal or some shit and suddenly thats up on the archive
10:08 🔗 ivan how much latency are you willing to tolerate while it saves things
10:11 🔗 phiresky well it shouldn't upload it anywhere, just have it locally
10:12 🔗 phiresky maybe as a second step filter by somehow detecting if it's public data and then publish
10:13 🔗 phiresky ivan: not very much. but i don't think it would need to increase latency much, chrome extensions have apis for caching requests etc
10:13 🔗 phiresky though i'm not sure if they can be used for that purpose
10:14 🔗 IanQ yeah, writing and processing can be lazy compared to load and render
10:15 🔗 phiresky or maybe as an alternative (or addition) save the whole rendered DOM (after script execution etc)
10:15 🔗 phiresky because of increasing non-determinism for lots of websites
10:16 🔗 IanQ I have to say, I want to see web hosts that force users to make things that look nothing like the underlying html, hit with a trout
10:17 🔗 phiresky you mean that render everything client side?
10:18 🔗 IanQ for some definitions of render
10:19 🔗 phiresky which ones?
10:19 🔗 phiresky like facebook.com or youtube.com?
10:20 🔗 IanQ not sure I've looked at either of their underlying code much
10:20 🔗 IanQ basically I miss web 1.0
10:20 🔗 phiresky yeah ok
10:21 🔗 phiresky well it's funny cause i write pretty much all my websites to be as much client side as possible, because then i can keep the backend minimal
10:22 🔗 phiresky e.g. this one https://phiresky.github.io/tv-show-ratings/ doesn't have a backend at all even though it looks like it needs one
10:23 🔗 IanQ a lot of content is handled as dynamic although it is generally static, which is why the chairs around me should be nailed to the floor
10:32 🔗 VoynichCr phiresky: i think that kind of plugin is easy to code. Just call /save/ service every time you load a webpage, in background (ajax)
10:33 🔗 VoynichCr it wont save stuff like paypal (flashfire) because /save/ isnt logged in your accounts
10:34 🔗 phiresky yeah but i also don't want to hammer archive.org
10:41 🔗 VoynichCr i dont think you can hammer IA, they archive stuff 1GB/s or more https://tools.wmflabs.org/wmcounter/ia/
10:42 🔗 IanQ that the googleplus project is getting backed up is a counter-qed
10:47 🔗 phiresky relevant: what happens when IA realizes storing data is fucking expensive and have to start deleting stuff?
10:48 🔗 IanQ I'd assume they'd remove redundancy, or get more donors, or perhaps ditch gzip for zstd, or start deduping their archives :-)
10:48 🔗 VoynichCr storing data is cheaper every year
10:50 🔗 VoynichCr they add 1PB of storage bimonthly on average https://archive.org/~tracey/stats/df-year.png
10:51 🔗 IanQ hmm, capacity there just in time for G+
10:51 🔗 VoynichCr last month were 4PB for Google+ i guess
10:52 🔗 phiresky how aware are they of the g+ project?
10:52 🔗 VoynichCr they are
10:52 🔗 IanQ its kinda big, pushing on them rather hard, someone probably noticed ;-)
10:55 🔗 phiresky but how will they prioritize their data when they run out of space/money
10:55 🔗 IanQ I don't expect their capacity to drop any time soon
10:59 🔗 phiresky you mean their capability of keeping up
10:59 🔗 IanQ if they run out first step is not taking in more I suspect
11:00 🔗 IanQ not exactly an instantaneous mushroom cloud there
11:02 🔗 phiresky true
11:02 🔗 phiresky tho even their regular expenses must be pretty high considering they have no income
11:04 🔗 IanQ their donor list looks substantial
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13:54 🔗 marked In web 1.0, you could conceptually use something like squid and save to a non ejecting cache
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14:25 🔗 phiresky is there an irc server with valid tls certificate?
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15:03 🔗 simon816 for efnet? There are some that are self-signed. I added a trust for the self-signed fingerprint
15:08 🔗 marked everyone can have SSL now with Let's Encrypt I thought
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15:54 🔗 phiresky yeah i'm connected to one with a self signed one, but there's a ugly exclamation mark next to it in thelounge
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