[00:38] *** ryry has joined #archiveteam-ot [00:52] *** robbierut has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [00:52] *** robbierut has joined #archiveteam-ot [00:53] *** astrid has joined #archiveteam-ot [01:08] *** Despatche has joined #archiveteam-ot [02:25] *** robbierut has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:25] *** rnduser_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [03:25] *** robbierut has joined #archiveteam-ot [03:30] *** rnduser__ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:56] Youtube Red sucks. FYI. [03:58] Hintswen: Did you buy it? [04:00] I've had it for ages [04:01] my favorite part is how you can't watch two videos at once [04:02] Hintswen: I think the YouTube subscriptions are confusing. [04:02] I don't like how I can't have YouTube videos running in the background. [04:02] I listen to rhett and link on google music, I watch some of their videos on youtube... and yet only now do I find out they have a series on red, it's been out for 2 years [04:03] I've scrolled through the list of shows and never seen it there because of how badly organized it is [04:03] they renamed Red to Premium [04:03] Yeah. YouTube is going downhill in the past few years. [04:03] I've knows shows exist and scroll through to find them, and they don't show up unless I search for the name itself [04:03] Has been* [04:04] they don't see to use any of their analytics to detemine what shows you will like [04:04] they don't advertise the shows to you [04:04] they don't make it easy to find shows you will like [04:04] and now I've been having constant issues with the app crashing [04:04] reinstalled the app, still randomly crashes [04:04] Me too. [04:05] better yet, say I have 10 videos downloaded, I play the 5th, then the 6th and delete the 5th [04:05] It's been crashing seemingly randomly for the past few months for me. [04:05] becasue the 6th video is now 5th it will do one fo a handful of things [04:05] it wil leither crash, start showing the thumbnail for the next video instead of the video, or start playing the next video [04:05] same thign happens if I am watching a downloaded video and start downloading another one [04:05] Oh, that's worse than I thought. [04:06] I don't know if it's still like this but the android app lets you see comments on downloaded videos, and the ios app doesn't [04:07] It probably still doesn't. [04:07] I mena the ios app still doesn't but I don't know if the android one lets you [04:07] I assume it still does [04:07] downlaoded videos don't show if you have watched them (or partially watched them) and don't resume where you left off [04:08] also youtube's watch history seriously sucks. I managed to watch enough videos that it basically cleared my watch history within a few days [04:08] I can't remember how many videos it remembers but it's not enough (that was the web version not the app) [04:08] I never relalized there was a limit until that happened [04:09] My watch history was somehow cleared too! I was so annoyed. [04:09] I mainly only watch YouTube from the app. [04:10] And in the past year, they started showing ads right near the end of the video, but not exactly at the end. [04:10] it's happened to me a lot mor recently... the number of times I've gone to catch up on an old series and it doesn't know what I've watched so I have no idea what is next [04:11] I rate YouTube very low on the App Store. [04:11] But that's not going to change anything. [04:12] I'm just want YouTube to start dying, so people can move to a better service. [04:13] like vimeo :) [04:13] vimeo seems like a much higher quality [04:13] much cleaner player and website too [04:14] Yeah. It does. [04:14] I really want Floatplane to do well. [04:15] I don't but only because I'm sick of LTT and the ads inside videos xD (but secretly yeah, hope it does well) [04:17] Floatplane I think would be ad-free. [04:17] And the content creators would get much more profit from their content, I think. [04:29] *** qw3rty112 has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:35] *** qw3rty111 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [04:44] *** odemg has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 615 seconds) [04:46] *** dhyan_nat has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:47] *** robbierut has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [04:51] *** odemg has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:55] *** ryry has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [05:06] *** Odd0002_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [05:07] *** Odd0002 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [05:07] *** Odd0002_ is now known as Odd0002 [05:07] *** Exairnous has joined #archiveteam-ot [05:12] *** Oddly has joined #archiveteam-ot [06:26] *** Oddly has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [07:18] *** BlueMax has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [08:30] just got finished catching up on #googleminus, "if I walked, the movie would be over" [08:39] *** killsushi has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [09:11] *** VADemon has quit IRC (Quit: left4dead) [09:15] *** Odd0002_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [09:16] *** Odd0002 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [09:16] *** Odd0002_ is now known as Odd0002 [09:41] *** Mateon1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [09:43] i have been archiving the mainpage of 5,000 newspapers worldwide for the last 6 months, using /save/ service [09:43] *** Mateon1 has joined #archiveteam-ot [09:44] example https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://nwlaborpress.org/ [09:48] I have been trying to save at least 50 random pages from the depths of the internet every day [09:49] are you Yahoo robot? [09:49] https://archive.org/details/@flashfire42&tab=web-archive [09:49] i dont know if that will load for you it doesnt on my piece of shit computer [09:51] VoynichCr no yahoo bot just gets lost and goes around in circles on bot traps [09:51] http://www.drunkmenworkhere.org [09:51] like this [09:53] "Web archives" tab doesnt load for me many times [09:53] honestly it only worked for me once [09:56] *** schbirid has joined #archiveteam-ot [10:03] i want a browser plugin that just automatically archives every website i visit (preferably so the website can be displayed exactly as it was later) [10:06] Nah that wouldnt work [10:06] You visit paypal or some shit and suddenly thats up on the archive [10:08] how much latency are you willing to tolerate while it saves things [10:11] well it shouldn't upload it anywhere, just have it locally [10:12] maybe as a second step filter by somehow detecting if it's public data and then publish [10:13] ivan: not very much. but i don't think it would need to increase latency much, chrome extensions have apis for caching requests etc [10:13] though i'm not sure if they can be used for that purpose [10:14] yeah, writing and processing can be lazy compared to load and render [10:15] or maybe as an alternative (or addition) save the whole rendered DOM (after script execution etc) [10:15] because of increasing non-determinism for lots of websites [10:16] I have to say, I want to see web hosts that force users to make things that look nothing like the underlying html, hit with a trout [10:17] you mean that render everything client side? [10:18] for some definitions of render [10:19] which ones? [10:19] like facebook.com or youtube.com? [10:20] not sure I've looked at either of their underlying code much [10:20] basically I miss web 1.0 [10:20] yeah ok [10:21] well it's funny cause i write pretty much all my websites to be as much client side as possible, because then i can keep the backend minimal [10:22] e.g. this one https://phiresky.github.io/tv-show-ratings/ doesn't have a backend at all even though it looks like it needs one [10:23] a lot of content is handled as dynamic although it is generally static, which is why the chairs around me should be nailed to the floor [10:32] phiresky: i think that kind of plugin is easy to code. Just call /save/ service every time you load a webpage, in background (ajax) [10:33] it wont save stuff like paypal (flashfire) because /save/ isnt logged in your accounts [10:34] yeah but i also don't want to hammer archive.org [10:41] i dont think you can hammer IA, they archive stuff 1GB/s or more https://tools.wmflabs.org/wmcounter/ia/ [10:42] that the googleplus project is getting backed up is a counter-qed [10:47] relevant: what happens when IA realizes storing data is fucking expensive and have to start deleting stuff? [10:48] I'd assume they'd remove redundancy, or get more donors, or perhaps ditch gzip for zstd, or start deduping their archives :-) [10:48] storing data is cheaper every year [10:50] they add 1PB of storage bimonthly on average https://archive.org/~tracey/stats/df-year.png [10:51] hmm, capacity there just in time for G+ [10:51] last month were 4PB for Google+ i guess [10:52] how aware are they of the g+ project? [10:52] they are [10:52] its kinda big, pushing on them rather hard, someone probably noticed ;-) [10:55] but how will they prioritize their data when they run out of space/money [10:55] I don't expect their capacity to drop any time soon [10:59] you mean their capability of keeping up [10:59] if they run out first step is not taking in more I suspect [11:00] not exactly an instantaneous mushroom cloud there [11:02] true [11:02] tho even their regular expenses must be pretty high considering they have no income [11:04] their donor list looks substantial [11:28] *** Stilett0 has quit IRC () [11:30] *** dhyan_nat has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [13:15] *** godane has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:31] *** godane has joined #archiveteam-ot [13:37] *** Despatche has quit IRC (Quit: Read error: Connection reset by deer) [13:54] In web 1.0, you could conceptually use something like squid and save to a non ejecting cache [14:02] *** Despatche has joined #archiveteam-ot [14:25] is there an irc server with valid tls certificate? [14:33] *** godane has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 360 seconds) [15:03] for efnet? There are some that are self-signed. 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