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icedice |
How much spare space should I keep on a 6TB HDD that is not my system drive? |
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ivan |
icedice: depends on the filesystem and how much rewriting you plan to do |
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icedice |
NTFS |
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ivan |
at least 100GB I guess |
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ivan |
you can see how bad defragmentation gets when near full with defrag |
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ivan |
s/de// |
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icedice |
Ok, I looked around a bit online and most seem to say that at the very least 10%, preferably 15%, and 20% if you want to be cautious |
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icedice |
But that's probably calculated to normie HDD capacities and not 6TB HDDs |
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icedice |
So I guess I'd get away with less percentages than that |
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ivan |
yes |
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icedice |
19.3% free space left |
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icedice |
So I should have some time to do a digital detox eventually of a bunch of old stuff that I don't need anymore |
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icedice |
https://old.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/2kns0j/how_much_free_space_does_everyone_leave_on/ |
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JAA |
Netsplit rejoin before netsplit quit? |
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EFNet surprises me every day. |
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ealgase |
I still don't understand how netsplits work |
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makes no sense to me |
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t3 |
ealgase: I'll explain it. |
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t3 |
So your client connects to an IRC server. |
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t3 |
There are many servers on the network. |
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t3 |
I might be connected to a different IRC server on the EFnet network. |
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t3 |
When you send messages, the data is transferred between servers to the other servers on the network. |
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t3 |
When a connection between two servers is lost, it is called a net split. |
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ealgase |
ah ok |
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ealgase |
why would the connection be lost? |
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t3 |
All of the people on your server connection would stay online and everyone else would appear to go offline. |
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t3 |
Likewise, everyone on the server I am on would appear to stay online, and everyone from the other side would appear to go offline. |
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t3 |
That is why it is called net-split. |
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ealgase |
ah ok |
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ivan |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit |
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ealgase |
that does make sense |
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t3 |
Yeah... or you could have just read the Wikipedia article. |
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JAA |
"why would the connection be lost", heh |
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ealgase |
well I mean, I guess I'm not understanding what type of connection this is |
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JAA |
It's just a TCP connection. More or less the same thing as between our clients and the server(s). |
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ealgase |
Ah, that makes sense |
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ealgase |
I was thinking more of the email method which doesn't require a persistent connection |
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JAA |
Yeah, that would neither scale nor be real-time. |
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ealgase |
Pretty sure that Matrix uses a model like that |
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ealgase |
also, one question I've had about irc for a while is |
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ealgase |
what keeps, say, freenode and efnet seperate? |
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ealgase |
do they blacklist each other? |
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JAA |
No connection between the servers, plain and simple. |
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ealgase |
ah ok, so they're just not connected |
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JAA |
Pretty sure that the servers need to be whitelisted in some way in order to be able to connect to a network. |
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ealgase |
That makes sense |
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JAA |
So you can't simply run your own EFNet server. |
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JAA |
You can, but not that simply. |
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JAA |
And presumably neither would the EFNet folks want to have the Freenode servers in the network nor the other way around. |
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JAA |
It would create all sorts of headaches due to channel and nick collisions, different policies, absence of NickServ/ChanServ on EFNet, etc. |
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t3 |
Right. The servers must be configured the same or similar way for there to be fewer conflicts. |
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ealgase |
ok, but it's not *impossible* for them to federate, they just choose not to |
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JAA |
Theoretically, it could be done. |
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ivan |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFnet was the original IRC network before they started splitting |
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JAA |
I'm sure there are some bridges as well for individual channels. |
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ivan |
hah TIL "Eris-Free Network" |
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JAA |
Yup because eris.berkeley.edu was misbehaving. |
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ealgase |
honestly I'm too young for IRC, because my friend's parents *met* over IRC |
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t3 |
No one is too young. |
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t3 |
But I understand how you feel. |
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t3 |
I actually got used to it. I like this better than other messaging platforms because I like clean CLI stuff. |
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ealgase |
ugh |
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ealgase |
choopa just went down :( |
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ealgase |
so now I've had to reconnect with a different homeserver |
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JAA |
Welcome to EFnet. |
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JAA |
Where netsplits, disconnects, and other oddities are the norm. |
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t3 |
ealgase: That's fine. |
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t3 |
JAA: I am the only one on #mastodown. |
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JAA |
t3: We have a broader Fediverse channel at #fedisperse. |
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t3 |
Is #mastodown no longer needed? |
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JAA |
Don't think so. |
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t3 |
Okay. I will disconnect from that channel. |
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JAA |
("Part" is the correct term on IRC.) |
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JAA |
You connect and disconnect to/from a server, and you join and part channels. |
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t3 |
Right. |
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t3 |
I will part. |
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t3 |
I have parted. |
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JAA |
I would have had having parted. |
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kiska |
I use the term "leave" the channel |
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JAA |
Yeah, some clients do that as well, but the IRC command for it is "PART". |
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kiska |
I just took a look at my logs: "(Write error: Broken pipe)" O_o |
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t3 |
Don't break pipes. |
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Data flows through pipes. |
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VoynichCr |
i saw IA bought 6 petabytes recently |
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kiska |
Time to fill that up! |
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kiska |
xD |
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JAA |
Soo, what about that SoundCloud project? :-) |
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Igloo |
I like where you're going... |
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Igloo |
I've done 5TB this week due to some big bot jobs |
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kiska |
Time for another GoogleMinus size project? |
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Fusl |
reddit |
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Fusl |
youtube |
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JAA |
lol YT |
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Zerote |
I know YT was a joke, but just to entertain the thought, rough estimate says we'd need a combined 144 gbit/s just to keep up with new uploads (2017 stats) |
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Fusl |
1500 hetzner cloud servers is my limit, each can do a 2-40 gbit/s :P |
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Zerote |
IA's 6PBs would cover roughly 4 days of uploads :D |
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Fusl |
nice. gotta get them to upgrade their storage i gues |
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JAA |
That sounds about right. |
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schbirid2 |
i still want a distributed soundcloud archive :] |
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JAA |
I mean, we can revive #soundbutt if there is enough interest. |
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ealgase |
IA has 50PB+ |
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ealgase |
so if we delete everything else |
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ealgase |
we could cover around a month |
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ealgase |
I think trying to get all of mediafire might be a project of decent size |
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ealgase |
plus I have a great idea for the name: #mediadire |
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Fusl |
how about #mediaonfire? :P |
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ealgase |
ooh, that's pretty good |
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ealgase |
Imgur would be another fun site to grab |
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ealgase |
or maybe |
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ealgase |
all of blogger |
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Fusl |
#imgone |
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ealgase |
those two already exist, but aren't saved |
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JAA |
GitHub |
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JAA |
#getgit |
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JAA |
(We really missed an opportunity there for #gitgud or #gitrekt.) |
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Fusl |
lol |
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VoynichCr |
Telegram Desktop has a feature to export full channels/groups (all messages, images, files, videos, gifs, etc). JFYI |
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VoynichCr |
unfortunately i think this feature isn't available via API, so we can't automatize channel grabs |
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ealgase |
where's the option? |
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VoynichCr |
Telegram Desktop > Any channel > Triple dots ... > Export chat history |
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VoynichCr |
Very powerful, but GUI only |
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ealgase |
ah ok |
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ealgase |
that's pretty cool |
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VoynichCr |
I just downloaded full history for https://t.me/PropagandaPosters |
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VoynichCr |
there are plenty of interesting channels in Telegram |
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ealgase |
telegram is pretty interesting overall |
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ealgase |
they have an extension of the venture capital business model |
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ealgase |
see, the VC model is "lose money but figure out how to make it later" |
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ealgase |
the telegram model is "lose money forever because the founder is a multibillionaire" |
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Fusl |
mixcloud is another thing i would like to archive at one point |
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Fusl |
lots of user created content there |
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