#archiveteam-ot 2019-05-15,Wed

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02:15 πŸ”— Anthony French fry Gamer is my YT channel
02:16 πŸ”— Anthony Questioner19 is one of my reddit accounts
02:16 πŸ”— marked1 I know you're new here, what brought you around, what do you hope to figure out ?
02:17 πŸ”— Anthony @Fusl I am that same guy who asked you if the Micronational Assembly was saved on Twitter
02:17 πŸ”— Anthony Knowledge
02:18 πŸ”— Anthony Google+ helped brought me into this
02:19 πŸ”— Anthony I want to do this for future generations to come
02:20 πŸ”— Anthony I don't know if Earth will be lost when the sun dies
02:20 πŸ”— Anthony Hopefully we can save our planet
02:21 πŸ”— marked1 I'm not sure if archive.org has a contingency plan for extinction level contingencies, but maybe someone else here knows
02:23 πŸ”— Anthony What would we do if an EMP occurs?
02:23 πŸ”— Flashfire Be fucked over?
02:25 πŸ”— Anthony Or maybe we can develop EMP resistant technology
02:26 πŸ”— Anthony If WWIII occurs we might need to store data somewhere
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02:29 πŸ”— marked1 does the EMP wave propagate underground?
02:30 πŸ”— marked1 maybe cold storage offsite backups could be moved onto the moon eventually
02:30 πŸ”— marked1 moon shot
02:31 πŸ”— Anthony I think we should transport water to the moon
02:32 πŸ”— marked1 things shipped there are charged by the pound
02:33 πŸ”— Fusl Anthony: bad idea - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field_of_the_Moon
02:34 πŸ”— Anthony Crude
02:34 πŸ”— Anthony Didn't think of that
02:35 πŸ”— Anthony What would be comparable to that of Earth?
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02:38 πŸ”— Anthony Maybe we can alter it in the future
02:38 πŸ”— Anthony Anything can happen I guess
02:41 πŸ”— marked1 wp says the oldest cave paintings are 40,000 years ago +/-
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02:44 πŸ”— marked1 if you're trying to save our cultures for aliens, they can already pick up our TV show reruns from the radio waves, and they would automatically be picking up old stuff being light years away. we should be asking them to save copies.
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02:47 πŸ”— Anthony I don't know if the first sound they will hear about us will be the Nokia ringtone
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02:55 πŸ”— marked1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSQzUx3QW2Y
02:56 πŸ”— Anthony I thought I was going to get rickrolled
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05:09 πŸ”— ivan https://github.com/stewartmcgown/uds hah
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05:43 πŸ”— marked1 cool, they just need to turn on sharing for those iso's
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05:52 πŸ”— dxrt ivan: Neat. Upload speed isn't as bad as I was expecting either!
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08:42 πŸ”— kiska dxrt: how fast is the upload?
09:17 πŸ”— dxrt kiska: About 150KB/s
09:19 πŸ”— dxrt So hardly great but I was expecting far less
09:30 πŸ”— kiska From looking at it, I was expecting like < 100KB/s
09:30 πŸ”— kiska Idea: use this for instead of rsync targets xD
09:31 πŸ”— dxrt Oh dear god LMAO
09:35 πŸ”— kiska It would "work" xD
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12:01 πŸ”— ivan I have a 34.99 USD / mo soyoustart server at OVH BHS that I'm abandoning in a week unless someone wants to take it over
12:01 πŸ”— ivan pretty sure it's a E3-SAT-1-32 https://www.soyoustart.com/us/essential-servers/
12:08 πŸ”— Igloo What's it doing now ivan ?
12:09 πŸ”— Igloo Infact, I don't need antoehr one
12:09 πŸ”— Igloo :)
12:14 πŸ”— ivan many things
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12:31 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ wait you guys are snippy about archive jobs that come from behind VPNs aren't you?
12:31 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ or is that archivebot only?
12:32 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ warrior* only
12:38 πŸ”— JAA I think the rule goes like this: no archival through proxies of any kind, unless that's the only way of getting access to the content (georestrictions etc.), in which case you *carefully* need to check that the proxying doesn't somehow affect the archives.
12:38 πŸ”— JAA And no proxies whatsoever on the warrior.
12:39 πŸ”— JAA (If you're on a shitty connection that hijacks inexistent domains etc., don't run the warrior or any other archival.)
12:40 πŸ”— JAA (Also, switch to a better ISP.)
12:41 πŸ”— Flashfire JAA what if I can’t get an ISP without censorship
12:43 πŸ”— JAA Flashfire: Tough luck.
12:44 πŸ”— Flashfire Hooray for Australia lol
12:46 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ That's an embuggerance to me because of my country, I run almost literally everything through some kind of international VPN because i can't stand metadata retention. (Super secret spies who don't give a shit unlesss you're smuggling nukes i can sort of toletate, but my country gives access to even the tax agents)
12:46 πŸ”— JAA Yeah, my condolences. Your politics are fucked up.
12:48 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ Hopefully I can manage to find a shell account with someone who isn't going to ban for scraping-like activities.
12:48 πŸ”— Flashfire Ctrl-S_ what country friend?
12:48 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ .au
12:48 πŸ”— Igloo Ctrl-S_: digital ocean
12:48 πŸ”— Igloo Cheap as chips
12:48 πŸ”— Flashfire Oh your Australian as well yeah we have ducking wierd web laws
12:48 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ the country lucky enough to never have actually learned to be skeptical
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12:48 πŸ”— Igloo and i've been battering them
12:48 πŸ”— Flashfire Lol that’s us
12:49 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ I thought DO suspended accounts that scraped as it was too DOS-like?
12:51 πŸ”— JAA Well, we've had three AB pipelines on DO for years as far as I know. So it can't be that bad.
12:51 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ but despite my confusion over their pricing systems, if they can host a vaugely okay VM for me with tolerant network policies, I'll burn some cash on trying them out. Just gotta pay upfront properly this time. (I thought they charged like prepaid phones, where you couldn't be charged extra no matter what)
12:51 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ thanks a whole lot for the tip
12:53 πŸ”— Igloo I have a dual cpu, 4GB RAM DO VPS
12:53 πŸ”— Igloo That does pipeline jobs
12:53 πŸ”— Igloo And it's absolutely fine
12:53 πŸ”— Igloo Also been used to host warrior jobs a lot
12:53 πŸ”— Igloo It just runs and runs
12:53 πŸ”— Igloo Not had a problem in 3 years
12:58 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ buying into this cloud scam now
12:59 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ Seriously thanks for the advice.
13:00 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ RE: feasability of DO for persistant archival like 4ch, 8ch, webforums/messageboards, ect.; Viable?
13:00 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ Like can I safely do more than just irregular WPull jobs
13:01 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ Though I HAVE always been fond of their help section regardless of their acceptable usage handling
13:04 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ I want to back up my scifi/fantasy story sources
13:06 πŸ”— Igloo Yes
13:06 πŸ”— Igloo I use it for all sorts of stuff
13:06 πŸ”— Igloo Just don't start issuing 1000's of requests a second
13:07 πŸ”— JAA Heh, I wonder if they'd've liked my AMO archival at 600 requests per second to addons.mozilla.org.
13:08 πŸ”— JAA OVH didn't care. (AMO did though.)
13:08 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ TBH AMO should really have just pushed the data to the IA themselves given their FOSS organisation nature
13:09 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ I wonder if wikiteam ect has been doing their dev and help docs, bugtracker, ect
13:09 πŸ”— JAA There's a whole host of potential legal issues with that.
13:10 πŸ”— JAA So unless the user agreement's formulated accordingly, their lawyers sign it off, etc., that'll never happen with these big organisations.
13:10 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ ew
13:11 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ I cannot stand working with legal compliance and moderation issues, it must be absolute hell doing it with corporate thrown in
13:11 πŸ”— JAA Indeed.
13:12 πŸ”— JAA So the best thing we can get is them working with us to ensure everything's covered.
13:12 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ maybe I'll get around to lending a hand by writing some trickle-grab scripts or something; do not trust me to do anything though.
13:12 πŸ”— JAA Mozilla, or more precisely the AMO ops, delayed the deletion of the legacy addons by over a month for example to let me grab everything.
13:12 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ thank god
13:13 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ I'd literally offer them money for the drives to be bought and shipped to archive if i thought it would work
13:13 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ You do good work
13:13 πŸ”— JAA Yeah they were really nice about it, especially considering I had knocked them offline. :-P
13:14 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ You're probably better about confidentiality than even me who has to handle medical and financial data forensics sometimes
13:15 πŸ”— Ctrl-S_ mostly what ends up being on the drives is personal photos from loved ones they miss
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18:19 πŸ”— t3 ivan: I think I got it working now. My system was missing some kind of package that prevented probably Docker from downloading images in parallel.
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