#archiveteam-ot 2019-05-18,Sat

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01:00 πŸ”— Flashfire will explain soon
01:00 πŸ”— JAA So it's compulsory-but-not-really. Meh
01:00 πŸ”— ealgase I'd really not recommend not voting
01:01 πŸ”— ealgase everyone has *some* political interests
01:01 πŸ”— Fusl help i'm in way too many channels and my weechat is only split into 4 windows :(
01:01 πŸ”— ealgase even if your choice candidate doesn't have a choice, still vote for them
01:01 πŸ”— JAA Yeah, I'd definitely vote if I could.
01:01 πŸ”— ealgase yeah
01:01 πŸ”— ealgase people who don't vote really annoy me
01:02 πŸ”— ealgase because they're essentially being cop-out conservatives
01:02 πŸ”— ealgase because not voting enforces the status quo
01:02 πŸ”— ealgase but they can also claim "I'm not a conservative, I just don't care"
01:02 πŸ”— ealgase </rant>
01:02 πŸ”— JAA "But it won't make a difference"
01:02 πŸ”— Fusl but
01:03 πŸ”— Fusl it won't make a difference
01:03 πŸ”— JAA ~ half of the eligible voters
01:03 πŸ”— ealgase it will make a difference. it'll show the support levels for a candidate, even if they don't win
01:04 πŸ”— ealgase if there's a candidate who has 60% support, and everyone votes, they'll be much more likely to compromise on issues than if their opposition doesn't vote at all and they win 100%
01:04 πŸ”— ealgase and I'm sure more than 400 people thought that their vote "wouldn't matter" in 2000 in Florida
01:04 πŸ”— astrid did i miss the first half of this conversation
01:05 πŸ”— JAA #archivebot
01:05 πŸ”— astrid oh
01:09 πŸ”— Flashfire Why can you not vote JAA I chose not to enroll because my maturity fluctuates between 13 and 30 and have a history of mental illness
01:12 πŸ”— JAA Flashfire: I'm not a citizen where I live, and I don't have voting rights in my country of citizenship because I've been away for too long. Welp.
01:13 πŸ”— Flashfire Wait what are your country of residence and citizenship country then? That doesnt sound right
01:14 πŸ”— JAA Switzerland and Germany. And yeah, it's all correct. I can't become a Swiss citizen either because there are some ridiculous rules in place.
01:16 πŸ”— JAA You have to live in the same commune for 5-8 years (depending on the canton) to be able to apply for citizenship. If you move, you start over...
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01:36 πŸ”— ealgase RIP. Germany could really use some intelligent voters, too
01:37 πŸ”— Fusl all the intelligent voters are moving away because the dumb ones are taking over the majority
01:39 πŸ”— ealgase yeah
01:39 πŸ”— ealgase then it'll be the 1930's all over again
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02:25 πŸ”— marked1 Is there a cultural/ideological difference between Austria and Germany?
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03:36 πŸ”— ealgase Fusl: you have an interesting reverse DNS lookup, what's the story behind that?
03:37 πŸ”— Fusl sets mode: +o Fusl_
03:37 πŸ”— Fusl no story to tell, sorry, just an interesting reverse DNS lookup
03:38 πŸ”— ealgase ok, cool.
03:38 πŸ”— Fusl you may find some of my other domains interesting as well :D https://keybase.io/fusl
03:38 πŸ”— ealgase wait so
03:38 πŸ”— ealgase why do you buy IP's?
03:38 πŸ”— ealgase (and how?)
03:38 πŸ”— Fusl because i can
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03:39 πŸ”— ealgase that's a few hundred $ of IP addresses
03:41 πŸ”— Flashfire lol
03:41 πŸ”— Flashfire Fusl what do you do for a living to afford all this crazy shit?
03:42 πŸ”— Fusl i work
03:43 πŸ”— ealgase in a datacenter apparently
03:43 πŸ”— ealgase lucky
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09:48 πŸ”— Flashfire eientei95 this is at risk of going off topic but the site had a hiatus for like 2 years
09:48 πŸ”— Flashfire everything was dead then it came back up with no updates
09:48 πŸ”— eientei95 Huh
09:48 πŸ”— Flashfire asstr
09:49 πŸ”— Flashfire it dissapeared with server issues then when it came back didnt get updates for ages
09:49 πŸ”— Flashfire I didnt even realise it was active again
09:54 πŸ”— eientei95 Flashfire: Holy effing shit is their FTP slow (via FTP)
09:54 πŸ”— Flashfire It really is this is one of the reasons the collections are unmaintained
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14:17 πŸ”— JAA Heh, the students' organisation of the Green party in Austria is called GrΓΌne und Alternative Student/-innen, abbreviated GRAS. "Gras" is grass in German, but it's also a colloquial word for weed. :-)
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14:34 πŸ”— kiska Nice job there!
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15:55 πŸ”— icedice So I have 857.3 / 5589 GB free on my HDD, i.e. 15.3%
15:56 πŸ”— icedice Would defragging for the first time at this stage be fine or should I try to get the free space up to like 20% before defragging it?
15:56 πŸ”— icedice Also, are there any possible risks with this?
16:11 πŸ”— ivan if your computer flips bits, defragging can flip the bits in your data
16:12 πŸ”— ivan remember to test your computer with linpack and doing long write-read tests over all the SATA simultaneously to see if it flips bits
16:12 πŸ”— ivan I can't think of any other risks
16:15 πŸ”— schbirid lol
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16:27 πŸ”— webdownlo New nickname
16:31 πŸ”— webdownlo 1.56 Petabyte Company
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17:21 πŸ”— marked1 what was the old nickname?
17:25 πŸ”— marked1 icedice: how fragmented is this drive and what filesystem?
17:26 πŸ”— webdownlo AnonymousArchivist/Anthony
17:28 πŸ”— marked1 a lot of people are international so their ISP's won't be recognizable
17:28 πŸ”— marked1 Austin had something like 1-2 fiber providers I lost track
17:29 πŸ”— webdownlo webdownload is the new warrior name
17:29 πŸ”— icedice marked1: no idea and NTFS
17:30 πŸ”— icedice ivan: flip bits?
17:31 πŸ”— webdownlo I use AT&T
17:32 πŸ”— icedice ivan: Isn't that software only for Linux?
17:32 πŸ”— marked1 lightspeed is an ironic name now
17:36 πŸ”— ivan icedice: computers sometimes flip bits in memory or in transit through your motherboard
17:36 πŸ”— ivan marked1: haha
17:38 πŸ”— icedice Is the only benefit of defragging to restore data transfer speeds or are there any data integrity benefits as well?
17:38 πŸ”— ivan why would there be data integrity benefits
17:38 πŸ”— ivan transfer speeds are improved for sequential reads if seeking is an actual bottleneck
17:39 πŸ”— icedice I'm new to this, so I'm just asking
17:42 πŸ”— ivan generally fragmentation gets terrible only when there's little space, too much free space fragmentation, or you append to a file hundreds of times
17:42 πŸ”— ivan (appends not done near the same time)
17:43 πŸ”— ivan filesystem defragmentation tools waste a lot of time trying to reduce giant files to one fragment even though it offers no real read performance improvement
17:44 πŸ”— ivan if you use XFS on Linux you can patch it to be a little smarter :-)
17:49 πŸ”— icedice Ok
17:49 πŸ”— icedice Thanks for the info
17:58 πŸ”— marked1 if you want to be safe, do a backup before the defrag
18:01 πŸ”— JAA (Obligatory: You should always have a backup anyway.)
18:02 πŸ”— marked1 and if it's not tested, it's not a backup
18:09 πŸ”— icedice I have a backup, but I've added a few hundreds of GB in recent weeks, so I should fire up FreeFileSync again sometime
18:11 πŸ”— icedice A-Data's rugged external HDDs look pretty nice
18:11 πŸ”— ivan cygwin rsync
18:11 πŸ”— icedice Thinking about getting a 5TB one
18:11 πŸ”— icedice FreeFileSync is easier to f
18:11 πŸ”— icedice handle when it has a GUI
18:11 πŸ”— ivan why do you buy such smol drives
18:11 πŸ”— icedice I don't want anything above 6TB
18:12 πŸ”— icedice (A-Data doesn't make rugged 6TB drives unfortunately)
18:13 πŸ”— icedice As for why I don't buy Helium drives: I don't knowingly buy defective products
18:13 πŸ”— icedice https://www.overclock.net/forum/20-hard-drives-storage/1634071-warning-about-8tb-drives-cautious-aware-higher-rate-failure-degraded-surfaces.html
18:13 πŸ”— ivan a rugged hard drive is a solid state drive
18:14 πŸ”— ivan your no-Helium thing is nuts, sorry
18:15 πŸ”— icedice kiska has a pretty convincing firsthand account of the reliability of Helium HDDs
18:15 πŸ”— ivan see backblaze data
18:16 πŸ”— kiska huh?
18:16 πŸ”— icedice <kiska> So this is mostly anecdotal but I work with the NSW Department of Education and Training on casual basis. We purchased 12 Seagate Exos x12 12TB helium drives from Seagate themselves for a pilot test
18:16 πŸ”— icedice <kiska> Within 6 months we had 7 of those 12 drives fail completely
18:16 πŸ”— icedice <kiska> btw this is the model: ST12000NM0027
18:16 πŸ”— ivan SEAGATE
18:16 πŸ”— icedice Yeah, I avoid those like the plague
18:17 πŸ”— icedice And yeah, SSD would be optimal, but I'm not rich lol
18:17 πŸ”— ivan meanwhile a gazillion He8's and He10's are spinning in datacenters with their helium indicator at 100
18:17 πŸ”— icedice Max I could afford is 1TB SSD
18:17 πŸ”— icedice I'm just cautious
18:17 πŸ”— icedice I'll just delete some old stuff that I don't need
18:21 πŸ”— JAA Oh yeah, anecdotal evidence! I've never had an HDD fail, so they all last forever! :-)
18:24 πŸ”— marked1 is there an explanation why SSD's fail if used read-only ?
18:26 πŸ”— ealgase they don't?
18:27 πŸ”— ealgase at least, not at a high rate
19:07 πŸ”— jut Just a reminder eurovision is starting
19:22 πŸ”— marked1 one year Australia will win and they will regret having everyone travel there
19:29 πŸ”— jut They won't when Australia was alowed to participate they decided that if Australia were to win, they would host with a european partner in Europe
19:34 πŸ”— icedice Have people in America started caring about Eurovision in recent years?
19:50 πŸ”— marked1 not really. f I try to talk about it, I have to explain what it is first, still.
19:52 πŸ”— marked1 this explanation often includes Abba
19:52 πŸ”— hook54321 Anyone know if IA will provide a copy of an item that was disabled to the person that uploaded it in some cases?
20:14 πŸ”— icedice Ok, I don't care about it either and I'm in the EU
20:15 πŸ”— JAA Me neither, but regarding the US, the American Song Contest is supposed to launch in 2 or 3 years I think.
20:16 πŸ”— icedice The one time I cared about it was when Lordi won back in 2006 and a bunch of people including the Greek Orthodox Church got butthurt'
20:16 πŸ”— icedice -'
20:19 πŸ”— icedice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAh9NRGNhUU
20:24 πŸ”— icedice Oh, and Epic Sax Guy
20:24 πŸ”— icedice Almost forgot about him
20:25 πŸ”— icedice Dschinghis Khan and Trololo are also noteworthy, but those songs are older than me, so I wasn't around to witness that
20:30 πŸ”— jut @eurovisiondrink
20:31 πŸ”— marked1 the US media market is kinda xenophobic. it doesn't have trouble stealing ideas from abroad, but it gets remade for the US market more often than not.
20:37 πŸ”— icedice Yeah, I kind of noticed that lol
20:39 πŸ”— JAA How weird, it's almost as if half of the country votes for a xenophobic party.
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20:59 πŸ”— marked1 that makes it sound like a US only attribute, but then> https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/poster-of-the-right-wing-swiss-peoples-party-showing-one-news-photo/76448722
21:02 πŸ”— JAA I know, I know.
21:04 πŸ”— smelly_ hi everyone
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21:06 πŸ”— smelly_ does anyone here by chance remember vx heavens?
21:34 πŸ”— ealgase wait
21:34 πŸ”— ealgase someone in the datahoarder community that *isn't* a Nazi?
21:34 πŸ”— ealgase surprising
21:35 πŸ”— jut Americans
21:36 πŸ”— jut Why is Maddona in Eurovision
21:36 πŸ”— jut ?
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22:27 πŸ”— DogsRNice So i have a few smalish crawls ive made with httrack for some reason and i was wondering if there was any way it can be converted to a format that would allow them to be put onto the wayback machine
22:28 πŸ”— ealgase If the sites aren't down recrawl with wpull?
22:30 πŸ”— DogsRNice well currently i use windows 7 so i dont know how to get anything other then httrack to run
22:30 πŸ”— ealgase WSL
22:31 πŸ”— JAA Conversion is not possible. HTTrack does not record all information necessary as far as I know.
22:33 πŸ”— DogsRNice ah that sucks
22:39 πŸ”— schbirid i have not defragmented in 10 years
22:39 πŸ”— schbirid yay ext
23:03 πŸ”— ealgase I use linux so I don't need to
23:08 πŸ”— Kaz did reddit die?
23:08 πŸ”— Kaz unable to load from uk
23:10 πŸ”— JAA Fine here.
23:11 πŸ”— ealgase reddit has outages all the time
23:13 πŸ”— Kaz well, something's going on https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/y8M2awq7/image.png
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23:22 πŸ”— JAA Oh, yeah, www.reddit.com doesn't load. old. works fine though.
23:22 πŸ”— JAA (And why would you use the redesign anyway?)
23:22 πŸ”— ealgase (I actually like the redesign)
23:23 πŸ”— JAA Did I hear someone ask for a kickban? I think I heard someone ask for a kickban.
23:23 πŸ”— JAA ;-)
23:25 πŸ”— JAA Maybe it improved by now, but when they launched it, the redesign was pretty awful from a usability perspective. It's also a huge PITA for archival.
23:25 πŸ”— Kaz signed out because I'm on my laptop, so defaults to the new layout
23:25 πŸ”— Kaz 99% of my shortcuts are all to old.*
23:25 πŸ”— JAA Ah
23:25 πŸ”— ealgase most functionality is way better on old theme, I'll admit
23:25 πŸ”— ealgase but I like being able to click on a post, then go back to where I was without reloading the page
23:25 πŸ”— ealgase or opening a new tab
23:25 πŸ”— JAA I'm using https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/redirector/ to redirect www.reddit.com and some other subdomains to old.
23:26 πŸ”— JAA Well, the problem is, that didn't work properly when I tried it.
23:26 πŸ”— ealgase yeah
23:26 πŸ”— ealgase my main problem is ow slow it is
23:26 πŸ”— JAA (I.e. when they launched it)
23:26 πŸ”— ealgase *how
23:26 πŸ”— JAA Oh yes, that too.
23:26 πŸ”— ealgase if it was just faster, and posts weren't as big, I think more people would use it
23:27 πŸ”— ealgase because there were lots of problems with old reddit
23:27 πŸ”— ealgase like the ugly design and cancerous sub css
23:27 πŸ”— JAA My Redirector rule if anyone wants it: ^https?://(?:(?:www|np|new)\.)?reddit\.com/(.*)$ to https://old.reddit.com/$1
23:28 πŸ”— JAA There are more problems with the redesign than with the old design in my opinion.
23:28 πŸ”— ealgase which?
23:29 πŸ”— JAA Performance, wasted space, automatic image/video loading, hard to archive, just to mention a few.
23:32 πŸ”— ealgase true
23:32 πŸ”— ealgase the only one I mind that much is performance
23:32 πŸ”— ealgase (and hard to archive)
23:39 πŸ”— smelly_ hello everyone. im the new guy. im trying to run warrior & it appears to be working but it says 0kb up
23:40 πŸ”— JAA smelly_: The warrior traffic graph is broken IIRC.
23:41 πŸ”— smelly_ ah OK
23:41 πŸ”— smelly_ is there anyway I can see my contribution?
23:41 πŸ”— JAA Which project are you running? URLTeam I guess (since nothing else is active)? What's your username?
23:41 πŸ”— smelly_ smelly
23:42 πŸ”— JAA (AT's Choice = URLTeam)
23:42 πŸ”— JAA (At the moment, anyway.)
23:42 πŸ”— smelly_ why isnt anything else working? :(
23:42 πŸ”— JAA So if you're running that, you can see it on https://tracker.archiveteam.org:1338/
23:43 πŸ”— JAA You'll have to increase the limit on the left a lot to get your name to show up since you're at the very bottom of that list. (And your browser will not be grateful for that.)
23:43 πŸ”— JAA Because we currently don't have any other active projects that use the warrior.
23:43 πŸ”— smelly_ theres no way to do a URL query?
23:43 πŸ”— smelly_ how are things normally done?
23:44 πŸ”— smelly_ (for archiving stuff)
23:44 πŸ”— JAA Small things that can be crawled recursively without JS go through ArchiveBot.
23:44 πŸ”— JAA Really big projects that can be easily split into chunks go through the distributed thing (including the warrior VM).
23:44 πŸ”— smelly_ ah ok.
23:45 πŸ”— smelly_ Is there anyway someone like myself can help out? Besides Warrior
23:45 πŸ”— JAA For anything inbetween, it depends.
23:45 πŸ”— JAA I don't know what your talents are, so... Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―
23:45 πŸ”— smelly_ Ive gotten into archivism pretty hardcore lately when my favorite site, vxheavens, vanished off the internet
23:45 πŸ”— smelly_ Im a software engineer
23:45 πŸ”— JAA Oh, cool. Our code needs a lot of love.
23:46 πŸ”— smelly_ How people are active here?
23:46 πŸ”— JAA I suggest you read on the wiki a bit. https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Dev is a good starting point.
23:46 πŸ”— smelly_ How many**, sorry, thinking faster than I can type
23:46 πŸ”— JAA That's for the distributed setup.
23:47 πŸ”— JAA ArchiveBot: https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=ArchiveBot
23:47 πŸ”— JAA The underlying tool of ArchiveBot is wpull: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/wpull
23:48 πŸ”— JAA The number of active people here varies a lot. I can't really put any number on it.
23:48 πŸ”— smelly_ Python is NOT my strong suite
23:49 πŸ”— JAA Aw, but Python's the best. <3 ;-)
23:49 πŸ”— smelly_ No, I get it. In this particular instance Python is a great choice for a language
23:49 πŸ”— JAA Well, you'll find that a lot of our code is in Python.
23:49 πŸ”— JAA The ArchiveBot backend is mostly Ruby, and wget-lua (which is used by most distributed projects) is in C and Lua.
23:50 πŸ”— smelly_ However, in my line of work I do a lot of Native Windows C (WinAPI), C#.NET and TSQL
23:50 πŸ”— JAA (Everyone hates working with the AB backend, and wget-lua has been unmaintained for years.)
23:50 πŸ”— JAA I see. Well, you'll also find that we have virtually zero Windows environments around here.
23:51 πŸ”— JAA Sometimes people write custom tools for particular archival projects though in whatever language they prefer.
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