[00:39] *** Anthony1 has joined #archiveteam-ot [00:39] *** Anthony1 has left [00:39] *** Anthony1 has joined #archiveteam-ot [00:39] *** Anthony1 has left [01:00] will explain soon [01:00] So it's compulsory-but-not-really. Meh [01:00] I'd really not recommend not voting [01:01] everyone has *some* political interests [01:01] help i'm in way too many channels and my weechat is only split into 4 windows :( [01:01] even if your choice candidate doesn't have a choice, still vote for them [01:01] Yeah, I'd definitely vote if I could. [01:01] yeah [01:01] people who don't vote really annoy me [01:02] because they're essentially being cop-out conservatives [01:02] because not voting enforces the status quo [01:02] but they can also claim "I'm not a conservative, I just don't care" [01:02] [01:02] "But it won't make a difference" [01:02] but [01:03] it won't make a difference [01:03] ~ half of the eligible voters [01:03] it will make a difference. it'll show the support levels for a candidate, even if they don't win [01:04] if there's a candidate who has 60% support, and everyone votes, they'll be much more likely to compromise on issues than if their opposition doesn't vote at all and they win 100% [01:04] and I'm sure more than 400 people thought that their vote "wouldn't matter" in 2000 in Florida [01:04] did i miss the first half of this conversation [01:05] #archivebot [01:05] oh [01:09] Why can you not vote JAA I chose not to enroll because my maturity fluctuates between 13 and 30 and have a history of mental illness [01:12] Flashfire: I'm not a citizen where I live, and I don't have voting rights in my country of citizenship because I've been away for too long. Welp. [01:13] Wait what are your country of residence and citizenship country then? That doesnt sound right [01:14] Switzerland and Germany. And yeah, it's all correct. I can't become a Swiss citizen either because there are some ridiculous rules in place. [01:16] You have to live in the same commune for 5-8 years (depending on the canton) to be able to apply for citizenship. If you move, you start over... [01:32] *** Dj-Wawa has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [01:36] RIP. Germany could really use some intelligent voters, too [01:37] all the intelligent voters are moving away because the dumb ones are taking over the majority [01:39] yeah [01:39] then it'll be the 1930's all over again [02:08] *** Zerote has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) [02:25] Is there a cultural/ideological difference between Austria and Germany? [02:37] *** Dj-Wawa has joined #archiveteam-ot [03:29] *** ivan has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:29] *** paul2520 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:29] *** jspiros has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:29] *** dxrt_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:29] *** kiska1 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:29] *** Fusl has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:30] *** ivan has joined #archiveteam-ot [03:30] *** svchfoo3 sets mode: +o ivan [03:30] *** Fusl has joined #archiveteam-ot [03:31] *** benjins has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:31] *** step has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:34] *** astrid sets mode: +o Fusl [03:36] Fusl: you have an interesting reverse DNS lookup, what's the story behind that? [03:37] *** Fusl sets mode: +o Fusl_ [03:37] no story to tell, sorry, just an interesting reverse DNS lookup [03:38] ok, cool. [03:38] you may find some of my other domains interesting as well :D https://keybase.io/fusl [03:38] wait so [03:38] why do you buy IP's? [03:38] (and how?) [03:38] because i can [03:38] *** mal_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) [03:39] *** benjins has joined #archiveteam-ot [03:39] that's a few hundred $ of IP addresses [03:41] lol [03:41] Fusl what do you do for a living to afford all this crazy shit? [03:42] i work [03:43] in a datacenter apparently [03:43] lucky [04:00] *** kiska1 has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:00] *** Fusl sets mode: +o kiska1 [04:03] *** paul2520 has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:05] *** paul2520 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [04:05] *** paul2520 has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:08] *** dhyan_nat has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:09] *** dxrt_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:09] *** dxrt sets mode: +o dxrt_ [04:11] *** step has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:11] *** mal_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:13] *** jspiros has joined #archiveteam-ot [05:12] *** Dj-Wawa has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [09:06] *** Zerote has joined #archiveteam-ot [09:48] eientei95 this is at risk of going off topic but the site had a hiatus for like 2 years [09:48] everything was dead then it came back up with no updates [09:48] Huh [09:48] asstr [09:49] it dissapeared with server issues then when it came back didnt get updates for ages [09:49] I didnt even realise it was active again [09:54] Flashfire: Holy effing shit is their FTP slow (via FTP) [09:54] It really is this is one of the reasons the collections are unmaintained [10:34] *** schbirid has joined #archiveteam-ot [11:06] *** wp494 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [11:07] *** dhyan_nat has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [11:08] *** wp494 has joined #archiveteam-ot [11:45] *** BlueMax has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [12:30] *** Oddly2 has joined #archiveteam-ot [13:02] *** ats has quit IRC (Quit: new kernel) [13:05] *** ats has joined #archiveteam-ot [13:29] *** ivan has quit IRC (Leaving) [13:31] *** ivan has joined #archiveteam-ot [13:32] *** svchfoo3 sets mode: +o ivan [13:50] *** icedice has joined #archiveteam-ot [14:17] Heh, the students' organisation of the Green party in Austria is called Grüne und Alternative Student/-innen, abbreviated GRAS. "Gras" is grass in German, but it's also a colloquial word for weed. :-) [14:25] *** tapos has joined #archiveteam-ot [14:34] Nice job there! [14:43] *** tapos has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [14:54] *** killsushi has joined #archiveteam-ot [15:18] *** Oddly2 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [15:29] *** Dj-Wawa has joined #archiveteam-ot [15:39] *** VerifiedJ has joined #archiveteam-ot [15:55] So I have 857.3 / 5589 GB free on my HDD, i.e. 15.3% [15:56] Would defragging for the first time at this stage be fine or should I try to get the free space up to like 20% before defragging it? [15:56] Also, are there any possible risks with this? [16:11] if your computer flips bits, defragging can flip the bits in your data [16:12] remember to test your computer with linpack and doing long write-read tests over all the SATA simultaneously to see if it flips bits [16:12] I can't think of any other risks [16:15] lol [16:27] *** webdownlo has joined #archiveteam-ot [16:27] New nickname [16:31] 1.56 Petabyte Company [16:48] *** dhyan_nat has joined #archiveteam-ot [17:21] what was the old nickname? [17:25] icedice: how fragmented is this drive and what filesystem? [17:26] AnonymousArchivist/Anthony [17:28] a lot of people are international so their ISP's won't be recognizable [17:28] Austin had something like 1-2 fiber providers I lost track [17:29] webdownload is the new warrior name [17:29] marked1: no idea and NTFS [17:30] ivan: flip bits? [17:31] I use AT&T [17:32] ivan: Isn't that software only for Linux? [17:32] lightspeed is an ironic name now [17:36] icedice: computers sometimes flip bits in memory or in transit through your motherboard [17:36] marked1: haha [17:38] Is the only benefit of defragging to restore data transfer speeds or are there any data integrity benefits as well? [17:38] why would there be data integrity benefits [17:38] transfer speeds are improved for sequential reads if seeking is an actual bottleneck [17:39] I'm new to this, so I'm just asking [17:42] generally fragmentation gets terrible only when there's little space, too much free space fragmentation, or you append to a file hundreds of times [17:42] (appends not done near the same time) [17:43] filesystem defragmentation tools waste a lot of time trying to reduce giant files to one fragment even though it offers no real read performance improvement [17:44] if you use XFS on Linux you can patch it to be a little smarter :-) [17:49] Ok [17:49] Thanks for the info [17:58] if you want to be safe, do a backup before the defrag [18:01] (Obligatory: You should always have a backup anyway.) [18:02] and if it's not tested, it's not a backup [18:09] I have a backup, but I've added a few hundreds of GB in recent weeks, so I should fire up FreeFileSync again sometime [18:11] A-Data's rugged external HDDs look pretty nice [18:11] cygwin rsync [18:11] Thinking about getting a 5TB one [18:11] FreeFileSync is easier to f [18:11] handle when it has a GUI [18:11] why do you buy such smol drives [18:11] I don't want anything above 6TB [18:12] (A-Data doesn't make rugged 6TB drives unfortunately) [18:13] As for why I don't buy Helium drives: I don't knowingly buy defective products [18:13] https://www.overclock.net/forum/20-hard-drives-storage/1634071-warning-about-8tb-drives-cautious-aware-higher-rate-failure-degraded-surfaces.html [18:13] a rugged hard drive is a solid state drive [18:14] your no-Helium thing is nuts, sorry [18:15] kiska has a pretty convincing firsthand account of the reliability of Helium HDDs [18:15] see backblaze data [18:16] huh? [18:16] So this is mostly anecdotal but I work with the NSW Department of Education and Training on casual basis. We purchased 12 Seagate Exos x12 12TB helium drives from Seagate themselves for a pilot test [18:16] Within 6 months we had 7 of those 12 drives fail completely [18:16] btw this is the model: ST12000NM0027 [18:16] SEAGATE [18:16] Yeah, I avoid those like the plague [18:17] And yeah, SSD would be optimal, but I'm not rich lol [18:17] meanwhile a gazillion He8's and He10's are spinning in datacenters with their helium indicator at 100 [18:17] Max I could afford is 1TB SSD [18:17] I'm just cautious [18:17] I'll just delete some old stuff that I don't need [18:21] Oh yeah, anecdotal evidence! I've never had an HDD fail, so they all last forever! :-) [18:24] is there an explanation why SSD's fail if used read-only ? [18:26] they don't? [18:27] at least, not at a high rate [19:07] Just a reminder eurovision is starting [19:22] one year Australia will win and they will regret having everyone travel there [19:29] They won't when Australia was alowed to participate they decided that if Australia were to win, they would host with a european partner in Europe [19:34] Have people in America started caring about Eurovision in recent years? [19:50] not really. f I try to talk about it, I have to explain what it is first, still. [19:52] this explanation often includes Abba [19:52] Anyone know if IA will provide a copy of an item that was disabled to the person that uploaded it in some cases? [20:14] Ok, I don't care about it either and I'm in the EU [20:15] Me neither, but regarding the US, the American Song Contest is supposed to launch in 2 or 3 years I think. [20:16] The one time I cared about it was when Lordi won back in 2006 and a bunch of people including the Greek Orthodox Church got butthurt' [20:16] -' [20:19] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAh9NRGNhUU [20:24] Oh, and Epic Sax Guy [20:24] Almost forgot about him [20:25] Dschinghis Khan and Trololo are also noteworthy, but those songs are older than me, so I wasn't around to witness that [20:30] @eurovisiondrink [20:31] the US media market is kinda xenophobic. it doesn't have trouble stealing ideas from abroad, but it gets remade for the US market more often than not. [20:37] Yeah, I kind of noticed that lol [20:39] How weird, it's almost as if half of the country votes for a xenophobic party. [20:42] *** Stiletto has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 604 seconds) [20:50] *** dhyan_nat has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [20:54] *** smelly_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [20:59] that makes it sound like a US only attribute, but then> https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/poster-of-the-right-wing-swiss-peoples-party-showing-one-news-photo/76448722 [21:02] I know, I know. [21:04] hi everyone [21:04] *** webdownlo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 267 seconds) [21:06] does anyone here by chance remember vx heavens? [21:34] wait [21:34] someone in the datahoarder community that *isn't* a Nazi? [21:34] surprising [21:35] Americans [21:36] Why is Maddona in Eurovision [21:36] ? [21:49] *** VerifiedJ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [22:08] *** DogsRNice has joined #archiveteam-ot [22:16] *** icedice has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [22:27] So i have a few smalish crawls ive made with httrack for some reason and i was wondering if there was any way it can be converted to a format that would allow them to be put onto the wayback machine [22:28] If the sites aren't down recrawl with wpull? [22:30] well currently i use windows 7 so i dont know how to get anything other then httrack to run [22:30] WSL [22:31] Conversion is not possible. HTTrack does not record all information necessary as far as I know. [22:33] ah that sucks [22:39] i have not defragmented in 10 years [22:39] yay ext [23:03] I use linux so I don't need to [23:08] did reddit die? [23:08] unable to load from uk [23:10] Fine here. [23:11] reddit has outages all the time [23:13] well, something's going on https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/y8M2awq7/image.png [23:14] *** BlueMax has joined #archiveteam-ot [23:22] Oh, yeah, www.reddit.com doesn't load. old. works fine though. [23:22] (And why would you use the redesign anyway?) [23:22] (I actually like the redesign) [23:23] Did I hear someone ask for a kickban? I think I heard someone ask for a kickban. [23:23] ;-) [23:25] Maybe it improved by now, but when they launched it, the redesign was pretty awful from a usability perspective. It's also a huge PITA for archival. [23:25] signed out because I'm on my laptop, so defaults to the new layout [23:25] 99% of my shortcuts are all to old.* [23:25] Ah [23:25] most functionality is way better on old theme, I'll admit [23:25] but I like being able to click on a post, then go back to where I was without reloading the page [23:25] or opening a new tab [23:25] I'm using https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/redirector/ to redirect www.reddit.com and some other subdomains to old. [23:26] Well, the problem is, that didn't work properly when I tried it. [23:26] yeah [23:26] my main problem is ow slow it is [23:26] (I.e. when they launched it) [23:26] *how [23:26] Oh yes, that too. [23:26] if it was just faster, and posts weren't as big, I think more people would use it [23:27] because there were lots of problems with old reddit [23:27] like the ugly design and cancerous sub css [23:27] My Redirector rule if anyone wants it: ^https?://(?:(?:www|np|new)\.)?reddit\.com/(.*)$ to https://old.reddit.com/$1 [23:28] There are more problems with the redesign than with the old design in my opinion. [23:28] which? [23:29] Performance, wasted space, automatic image/video loading, hard to archive, just to mention a few. [23:32] true [23:32] the only one I mind that much is performance [23:32] (and hard to archive) [23:39] hello everyone. im the new guy. im trying to run warrior & it appears to be working but it says 0kb up [23:40] smelly_: The warrior traffic graph is broken IIRC. [23:41] ah OK [23:41] is there anyway I can see my contribution? [23:41] Which project are you running? URLTeam I guess (since nothing else is active)? What's your username? [23:41] smelly [23:42] (AT's Choice = URLTeam) [23:42] (At the moment, anyway.) [23:42] why isnt anything else working? :( [23:42] So if you're running that, you can see it on https://tracker.archiveteam.org:1338/ [23:43] You'll have to increase the limit on the left a lot to get your name to show up since you're at the very bottom of that list. (And your browser will not be grateful for that.) [23:43] Because we currently don't have any other active projects that use the warrior. [23:43] theres no way to do a URL query? [23:43] how are things normally done? [23:44] (for archiving stuff) [23:44] Small things that can be crawled recursively without JS go through ArchiveBot. [23:44] Really big projects that can be easily split into chunks go through the distributed thing (including the warrior VM). [23:44] ah ok. [23:45] Is there anyway someone like myself can help out? Besides Warrior [23:45] For anything inbetween, it depends. [23:45] I don't know what your talents are, so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [23:45] Ive gotten into archivism pretty hardcore lately when my favorite site, vxheavens, vanished off the internet [23:45] Im a software engineer [23:45] Oh, cool. Our code needs a lot of love. [23:46] How people are active here? [23:46] I suggest you read on the wiki a bit. https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Dev is a good starting point. [23:46] How many**, sorry, thinking faster than I can type [23:46] That's for the distributed setup. [23:47] ArchiveBot: https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=ArchiveBot [23:47] The underlying tool of ArchiveBot is wpull: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/wpull [23:48] The number of active people here varies a lot. I can't really put any number on it. [23:48] Python is NOT my strong suite [23:49] Aw, but Python's the best. <3 ;-) [23:49] No, I get it. In this particular instance Python is a great choice for a language [23:49] Well, you'll find that a lot of our code is in Python. [23:49] The ArchiveBot backend is mostly Ruby, and wget-lua (which is used by most distributed projects) is in C and Lua. [23:50] However, in my line of work I do a lot of Native Windows C (WinAPI), C#.NET and TSQL [23:50] (Everyone hates working with the AB backend, and wget-lua has been unmaintained for years.) [23:50] I see. Well, you'll also find that we have virtually zero Windows environments around here. [23:51] Sometimes people write custom tools for particular archival projects though in whatever language they prefer.