#archiveteam-ot 2019-10-12,Sat

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00:06 🔗 SketchCow Oh, let's not do that
00:08 🔗 Raccoon Archive Team's Mickey Mouse Ribbon Campaign
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00:47 🔗 Ryz Sniff sniff, what do I hear? Bullshit? Yeah, bullshit: https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/blizzard/23185888/regarding-last-weekend-s-hearthstone-grandmasters-tournament
00:47 🔗 Ryz ...What a load of bullshit, "The specific views expressed by blitzchung were NOT a factor in the decision we made. I want to be clear: our relationships in China had no influence on our decision."
00:56 🔗 Raccoon Well, they're not lying. Just dancing around the issue. "It is extremely important to us to protect these channels... [from being shut down by China]"
00:56 🔗 Raccoon that's all it is
00:59 🔗 Raccoon If the dude won their tournament and cash prize, it would stand to reason they still owe him that. You can't take away the winning Powerball or Megamillions ticket away from somebody who complains about Trump.
01:00 🔗 Raccoon It seems the law is compelling them to do that much, at least.
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03:47 🔗 Ryz Hmm, >;o - https://twitter.com/SGBluebell/status/1182817588147052544
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06:22 🔗 Ryz lol the text got chopped up into pieces: https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Technology/wireStory/uber-acquire-food-delivery-service-cornershop-66212598
06:22 🔗 Ryz Saw it stand out from me searching with my usual company acquisition stuff
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16:53 🔗 icedice What is better to shuck, WD My Book 8TB or WD Elements 8TB?
16:55 🔗 icedice Hmm
16:55 🔗 icedice Wrong channel
16:55 🔗 icedice No wait, right channel
16:56 🔗 icedice I'm tired
16:58 🔗 markedL can you tell what drive model is in them from the outside?
17:02 🔗 ivan icedice: My Book is more likely to be a helium drive
17:02 🔗 ivan but the non-helium drives just run at higher temperatures / more energy use afaik
17:03 🔗 ivan you can smartctl them and see if they both have 22 Current Helium Level
17:05 🔗 ivan smartctl -d sat --all /dev/sdX | grep 22
17:22 🔗 icedice https://www.multitronic.fi/en/products/1506197/wd-my-book-8-tb---external-hdd
17:22 🔗 icedice https://www.multitronic.fi/en/products/2115697/wd-ext-elements-8tb---external-hdd
17:23 🔗 icedice ivan: Thanks for the tip, but I don't have Linux and I haven't bought either yet
17:24 🔗 icedice Also, have helium drives gotten more reliable during the past two years?
17:24 🔗 icedice https://www.overclock.net/forum/20-hard-drives-storage/1634071-warning-about-8tb-drives-cautious-aware-higher-rate-failure-degraded-surfaces.html
17:25 🔗 icedice I think ever HDD over 6TB has helium in it though, so it's not like I have much of a choice if I want an 8TB HDD
17:25 🔗 icedice * every
17:25 🔗 JAA There are non-He 8 TB HDDs.
17:26 🔗 JAA 10+ TB are all He though I think.
17:26 🔗 ivan icedice: my helium drives are all good still after 2 years
17:26 🔗 ivan backblaze stats looked fine
17:27 🔗 icedice BackBlaze conditions doesn't apply for people who don't have consumer drives in high vibration data center environments
17:27 🔗 icedice * don't
17:31 🔗 ivan how do you know how much vibration they have
17:33 🔗 ivan also, even if they did have more vibration, wouldn't their stats hopefully set a maximum bound on your expected failure rate?
17:36 🔗 JAA These consumer drives are typically rated for use in a desktop chassis with maybe a couple other drives nearby. They stuff 45 into a tight enclosure. Of course there are dampeners, but it's hard to imagine that setup not producing more vibration. But yeah, all that means is that the failure rate can't be applied; all their drives are still in the same (off-spec) environment, so you can compare the
17:36 🔗 JAA failure rates between the drives they run just fine.
17:36 🔗 JAA can't be applied to a typical consumer setup*
17:37 🔗 icedice I am saying that BackBlaze's setup produces more vibration, yes
17:38 🔗 icedice Basically, I've read that it's comparing apples to oranges when using BackBlaze's data outside of a similar setup
17:39 🔗 ivan https://bioteam.net/2011/08/why-you-should-never-build-a-backblaze-pod/ interesting Nexsan comment
17:39 🔗 icedice I wonder if my PSU can even power another internal HDD
17:39 🔗 ivan people on the internet can just say things
17:40 🔗 icedice True
17:40 🔗 ivan they don't need to be good at knowing anything before they start making a new meme about X
17:40 🔗 icedice Sometimes they know what they're doing, other times they don't know shit
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