[00:09] *** BlueMax has joined #archiveteam-ot [00:46] *** Joseph_ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [01:01] *** t3 has quit IRC () [01:01] *** t3 has joined #archiveteam-ot [02:49] *** Sora_Uta has joined #archiveteam-ot [03:19] eventually Domesday86 Duplicator will be able to capture Betamax and then software decode can be improved as time goes on. VHS capture is already a thing with it, though decoding is still a serious work in progress. :) [03:23] that's pretty neat. reminds me of the laser pickup for audio records (LPs) [03:54] *** Quirk8 has quit IRC (END OF LINE) [04:12] *** qw3rty has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:21] *** qw3rty2 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 745 seconds) [05:11] *** godane has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [05:11] *** godane has joined #archiveteam-ot [05:59] *** ola_norsk has joined #archiveteam-ot [06:09] Are all videos under 'MirrorTube' marked as 'noindex: true' , even if they are licensed as PD/CC0 ? [06:12] e.g Jørg Sprave/Slingshot Channel , and Memeology101, seems to have gone PD in their choice of license on youtube, but for some reason trying to set them as such will be reverted afterwards [06:13] * ola_norsk using TubeUp [06:23] e.g If a video is set by the author to https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ , Attributon being the only clause, why do those get set to 'noindex' ? [06:29] I believe this was put in place to stop people dumping lots of crap [06:30] dxrt: do you mean youtube 'reupload' and 'mirror' videos? [06:30] yeah - have a look here https://github.com/bibanon/tubeup/pull/101 [06:30] ty [06:32] my problem is i can't recall which ones i actually have uploaded, since not even 'ia' will recall it for me when they are noindexed (eventhough they will show if i scroll trough my profile) [06:34] e.g if i were to search for items using 'uploader:duckhuntpr0', they won't list... [06:35] urgh. [06:35] they are visible trough logging into IA though, but nothing else. [06:35] Is there some way to get a list of your uploads [06:35] only by logging into the web page it seems, and going to profile. [06:36] i'm glad that i can see them when logged in [06:37] Load them all up, view source, dump into excel? [06:37] it would be nice to be able to 'see them' trough using IA tool as well though [06:37] my youtube uploads haven't been noindexed [06:38] yeah. [06:39] *** legoktm has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) [06:40] *** legoktm has joined #archiveteam-ot [06:49] *** nataraj has joined #archiveteam-ot [06:50] dxrt: how many did you upload? https://i.imgur.com/tKWgYly.png [06:56] I totally get that IA don't want to be a general video hosting platform.. But where's the 'research' in it, if not even a command line tool will get the data from archived items?? [06:57] E.g If i wanted to get a list of current 'video ids' and json's, of archived youtube videos, what would i need to do? [07:01] dxrt: could you fashion me a 'ia search' command line, because if your is giving back results i might've fubared up something locally. [07:03] * ola_norsk using IA 1.8.5 [07:04] *** deevious has joined #archiveteam-ot [07:07] https://pastebin.com/raw/50uvqdvp [07:07] I just checked, so my uploads are in community video and haven't been moved elsewhere. if/when they get moved they will dissapear I imagine. [07:08] https://archive.org/details/@lpuvaogpsot1yiow?tab=uploads [07:08] that pastebin is from me running : ia search "collection:archiveteam_youtube" [07:08] geez, one uploader, there must be so much crap. [07:09] nup, my ia search is the same as yours [07:11] dxrt: here's what i see of your link https://i.imgur.com/MHh75vm.png .. are the numbers ~ok ? [07:12] yeah, just one more (1490) cos they literally just uploaded something else. [07:13] now it's down to 1483. [07:14] hmm i'm getting open to the chance i'm being retarded in doing my query strings.. Here's mine: https://archive.org/details/@duckhuntpr0 [07:15] dxrt: if you wanted to recall all mirrortube uploads you've done, using the ia tool, what would the command line be? [07:16] to your account(s), mean [07:18] i mean* [07:20] https://archive.org/search.php?query=%28lpuvaogpsot1yiow%29%20AND%20collection%3A%28archiveteam_youtube%29 [07:25] :/ [07:26] i'm getting wierded out [07:26] They're as good as gone once they have noindex. [07:26] yeah, tubeup made it too easy to spam IA with content that had little-to-no value, and wasn't at risk [07:26] they'll probably be reindexed years in the future. [07:26] Kaz: what does that mean? 'reindexed' ? [07:27] the opposite of noindex [07:27] oh ok, then license might be observed? [07:28] not a clue, ask info@archive.org [07:29] i seriously don't care a lot if 'youtubers' loose their shit while insiting to stay youtube exclusives, but fuck me i'd be a bit annoyed if i was doing archiving of 'shadowbanned' shit, and it all turned out to be even more shadowbanned at IA [07:30] uh huh [07:30] Kaz: i'm just going to trust IA doing the right thing. [07:30] I'm sure both free services will provide you a full refund if you find their service lacking in any capacity [07:31] the lesson here is that nobody should be treating IA as a single point of permanent storage [07:31] laws (both legal and physical) will result in availability always being less than 100% [07:35] Kaz: 'I'm sure both free services will provide you a full refund' .. I think i got off on the wrong foot on my sentence.. IA is a https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/exemption-requirements-501c3-organizations not for profit org, while YouTube is certainly not [07:36] conflating them both as equally 'free services' is IMO a bit off kilter [07:37] What I’m saying is that most people pay absolutely nothing to use IA or youtube, so should pretty much expect nothing from them [07:38] youtube operates on attention-economy, same as cable tv etc [07:39] wait, is cable tv with ads? :/ i mean tv with advertisement [07:41] Kaz: IMO "so should pretty much expect nothing from them" , is not quite true.. One should expect them to operate by their given public funding (which IA surpassed with gold-medal level IMO) [07:42] though, being a charity org carries certain expecations of transparency [07:44] BTW: If it's a fact that Brewster Kahle have never been recognized for a nobel prize, that's beyond me [07:48] the US government isn't paying IA for people to sling content from youtube into permanent storage. IA goes *much* further than just being file storage. [07:49] I'm not a citizen of the US, they receive no public funding from the UK as far as I'm aware. On your logic I should trust it less than someone from the US, but that doesn't seem quite right. [07:51] I'm norwegian, so my logic is sometimes lost midway due to crude english. But in no way did i claim they should be trusted any lesser for being in the US. [07:51] A Nobel prize for library sciences would be nifty [07:55] Raccoon: _very_ late and extremely deserving though [07:56] Kaz: my problem is solely the ia tool not reporting back correct search: https://i.imgur.com/GyqsABO.png [07:58] more specifically, it wont list the 'tubeups' i've done prior [07:58] at least put a copy of The Internet Archive in that arctic vault, next to the copy of Github, and Bill Gates' heirloom corn seed [08:00] Raccoon: :D ..I was thinking a working mirror at Green Mountain, and svalbard on the side lol [08:00] But hey, ship it, and they'll stuff it in there :D [08:01] *** godane has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) [08:02] Raccoon: the thing is, Svalbard is not a decent global impact 'bunker' for things..Safety lies in redundancy [08:03] i think the idea was to keep it away from conflict zones and airborn particulates / disease etc [08:03] aye, and norway is kind of politically nice as such i would think [08:03] "it's cold. nobody wants to come here and ef with it." [08:04] it's cold, but it's not that cold :D [08:04] 10 False Facts About Norway - https://youtu.be/rvDkvVskJfY [08:05] just don't mention it contains artistic renderings of certain religious prophets and it should be fine. [08:06] personally, i'm a Job'ite, i don't care what ails people have with various religious shit [08:13] Raccoon: i'm not sure how plainly i might speak here. But in similar manner shouldn't religious or political activies influence _archivism_ ( https://youtu.be/3HDRmTDAIsI ) [08:14] archive it all, and be better for it [08:14] perhaps. but historically seems to cause the destruction of libraries more than anything else. [08:15] might be true, though there's political alignments that done a bit of it as well [08:16] Religion has been defined as a form of political government or nation state unconstrained by land borders or place of residence. "sneaky government" [08:19] i'm not sure if that's the full definition of 'religious' , but in all and every way, it sucks [08:20] i used to be what some might call fundamentalist christian ~10+ years ago [08:21] btw [08:22] HOW 'ot' is this 'archiveteam-ot' ? :D is it ok to have such discussion? [08:23] lol..we've gone waaaaaaaaaaaaaay OT :D [08:23] might get some eye rolls when people wake up. [08:24] i drink beer, i don't hide it :D [08:25] Raccoon: https://imgur.com/a/QsG69jA [08:26] _THAT_ is Nobel price worthy man [08:27] it's plain ridicoulous if Kahle haven't been nominated before [08:29] I wonder if IA has a page dedicated to instances where the WBM has been used to prove that somebody attempted to alter history to promote their version of events or falsify courtroom evidence [08:29] I know I've read or heard about it happening easily a dozen times [08:30] Raccoon: 'WBM' ? [08:30] wayback machine [08:30] i swear, most people don't even know that IA is more than waybackmachine [08:32] IA isn't really very well marketed, and perhaps not in the greatest position to market to too wide of an audience [08:32] Raccoon: i have no doubt that has actually happened [08:32] "where the WBM has been used to prove that somebody attempted to alter history to promote their version of events or falsify courtroom evidence [08:34] ola_norsk, oh yea, lots. defamation claims, covering up evidence of predatory marketing, presenting printouts of the now-altered website as courtroom evidence [08:35] Raccoon: hehe, i'm sure they've even been accuse of hacking by ignorant 'netizens' [08:35] :D [08:36] People from AT and IA have certainly been sued for copyright infringement and defamation themselves. [08:37] 'i never wanted my blog post that i tried to garner attention to, to be public!' :D [08:38] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSWqx8goqSY [08:38] hehe [08:39] oh jeez, that was 10 years ago already [08:40] i don't very much care about copyright. I feel i've redeemed myself of whatever i 'stole' with my steamaccount :D [08:41] meanwhile, Nintendo still ove me money after shutting 'wii bucks' or whatever the fuck they called it [08:42] 23NOK they owe me, since the wii store closed [08:42] what can you buy with 23 NOK [08:42] 1 can of beer [08:42] heh [08:45] that is the price, but have to add the 2Kr return [08:46] but yeah, 'what can you buy in norway for 23 nok' = 1 can of beer, barely [08:46] or 1 pack of rizla rolling papers [08:47] Raccoon: lol..people usually would've answered 'a bread' :D [08:47] a bread is ~30+ nok [08:49] i haven't seen beer cheaper than bread since i was born. [08:52] aye, it's mongoloid..It's basically just a way to keep shit drinkingwater palatable [08:52] now suddenly 'IPA' is somehow some artisan shit? lol [08:54] 'let's load these barrels with some extra shit in it, and see if they spew when it gets to them'.. lol [09:01] Raccoon: I take it you're from blighty; Anywho and regardless of all shit, prophets, paupers and politclittans and otherwise; https://youtu.be/WblI5OGEhTI [09:02] Raccoon: http://reformsection5.org.uk/ [09:03] *** ola_norsk has quit IRC (https://youtu.be/ZEvQOPUHGH8) [10:12] there is an option to keep a log of uploaded youtube videos: tubeup --use-download-archive [11:10] *** BlueMax has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [13:07] *** LowLevelM has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [13:09] *** LowLevelM has joined #archiveteam-ot [14:05] *** Sora_Uta has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 610 seconds) [14:10] *** lunik1 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [14:11] *** lunik1 has joined #archiveteam-ot [14:11] *** antomati_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [14:11] *** antomatic has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [14:34] I'm sure IA people wouldn't be opposed to putting a full mirror into the vaults on Svalbard, assuming someone fully funds that project. [14:41] *** VerifiedJ has joined #archiveteam-ot [15:30] *** Joseph_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [15:30] *** VerifiedJ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:35] *** Joseph_ is now known as VerifiedJ [16:20] *** DLoader has quit IRC (Quit: DLoader) [16:55] *** DLoader has joined #archiveteam-ot [17:54] Does anyone know of any given name for the Date Time format: Tue Jan 01 12:34:56 2019 [18:04] "Awful"? [18:05] heh. [18:05] It's used by (at least) the mIRC IRC client for at least 24 years [18:06] It's close to what GNU date produces by default as well. [18:06] (Except it's missing the TZ.) [18:06] Mon 2 Dec 18:06:29 UTC 2019 [18:06] Oh, and swapped month/day. [18:06] oh, not ticky tacking +0000 at the end [18:07] i've seen that addition as well [18:07] ISO-8601 or bust. [18:08] Actually, RFC 3339 or bust. [18:08] gotta say, not a huge fan. indeed, i've perhaps never seen xxxTyyy in a printed timestamp [18:08] (But it's very similar to ISO 8601.) [18:09] Yeah, the "T" is the one thing I don't like about ISO 8601. [18:09] But it's very common to replace it with a string, although not strictly standards-conforming IIRC. [18:09] I mean, I get it, but it's just not friendly on the eyes. [18:09] with a space* [18:13] [00:00] * Day changed to 02 Dec 2019, a Monday. --- Summary #archiveteam-ot: 146 Users [@19+0-127] [18:14] I've been using YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM:SS in my logs since ever because it's the only datetime format that actually makes sense. [18:14] I have never found a document listing all the variety of date time strings, or string parts, identified by name / use / locale [18:14] Yeah, I was just looking for a list of relevant standards and couldn't find anything either. [18:16] Horrible Wikipedia article on the subject: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_and_time_notation [18:25] I might have to conduct original research, publish, then self-reference on wikipedia [18:26] one of the obsticles to such a document is the uncanny popular desire to promote one format above the other with supreme rhetoric [18:28] Any format that's consistently big endian is fine with me. Anything else can go fuck off. :-) [18:29] Oh, and lexicographic sorting. But whether you write it as "YYYYMMDD" or "It is the year of YYYY, in MM, on the DDth" doesn't matter. [18:30] And of course outside of computers, other formats may be more suitable. [18:33] Indeed. There is a time and place for other formats. Rigid roboticized standards distract from flow and comprehension, visual style... the more machine readable a format is defines exactly how human-unreadable it will be. 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has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:53] *** nyaomi has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:53] *** drcd has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:53] *** AlsoJAA has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:53] *** rellem has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:53] *** acridAxid has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:53] *** xit has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:53] *** N4Y has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:53] *** west.us.hub sets mode: +o AlsoJAA [18:53] *** Muad-Dib has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:53] *** astrid has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:53] *** jodizzle has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:53] *** west.us.hub sets mode: +o astrid [18:54] *** schbirid has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:35] We should have probably just stuck with Moonths for Months, each week exactly representing a lunar quarter down to the second. [19:44] And then how many months make a year? Or no years at all? Makes it fun to remember the seasons. [19:46] If we didn't have months of varying lengths, that would help a lot as well. [19:47] The 13 month calendar is pretty neat. [19:50] *** killsushi has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [20:11] The month of Judas, just after Christmas? [20:11] that'll sell [20:22] lol [20:28] astrid: Hofferson or Farnsworth? [20:29] hm? [20:30] people named Astrid; 'who wore it better' [20:30] *fictional characters [20:31] beats me [20:32] It's not a very common name is it? Think those are the only two I know of [20:36] sorry [20:36] well now you know a third :) [20:36] *** Sora_Uta has joined #archiveteam-ot [20:47] *** schbirid has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [22:42] *** nataraj has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [22:50] *** bluefoo_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [22:53] *** bluefoo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 610 seconds) [23:16] *** bluefoo_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 259 seconds) [23:22] *** bluefoo has joined #archiveteam-ot [23:23] SketchCow, did your zany friend, the Private AG, pass away last year? Do you happen to know his DOB? [23:30] *** X-Scale has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [23:38] No. [23:59] *** X-Scale has joined #archiveteam-ot