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Ryz: https://photos.app.goo.gl/TKifemmdNEtTSPPX8 |
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Awwwn~ x3 |
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Larsenv: I approve of pidge |
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lunik1 |
so YouTube is rolling out AV1 including to older videos but what source are they encoding from? is there a higher-bitrate version of every video that isn't publically availible or is it just a re-encode of the VP9/h.264? |
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HP_Archiv |
lunik1 might want to post in hackint instead of this channel, this one's pretty inactive |
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HP_Archiv |
Also, source? |
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lunik1 |
HP_Archiv: just what I've seen poking around with youtube-dl |
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JAA |
lunik1: I've heard that they do indeed keep the original upload and that you can get it back with a data export (part of Google Takeout I think?). No idea whether it's true though. |
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HP_Archiv |
I forget the name of the ytld dev I pinged last year, but going off of JAA's comment, Dev: "Only the uploader has access to the original file" |
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HP_Archiv |
But yes, I use Takeout periodically, and you can get source files of ones you've uploaded to a YouTube account you own/use. |
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lunik1 |
but it does exist so the new codec versions of old videos won't always be inherently inferior |
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HP_Archiv |
So how would this impact, say, a script used? example? |
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HP_Archiv |
I also have it remux to mkv |
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lunik1 |
well if the original version of the video wasn't kept you would have to check the data of the video uploaded to know which codecs were lossy re-encodes, but if the original video exists then you can always prefer whatever the "best" codec is |
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lunik1 |
personally i think VP9 yt videos look a litte better than the h.264, haven't looked at AV1 too closely yet |
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lunik1 |
+there's compatability problems with AV1 rn of course |
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HP_Archiv |
It's been known for some time now that the original video is kept. In fact, Google - not sure if they still offer this - charges YouTube premium, or whatever the subscription service is called, $2 or something to allow non-owners to download the video in high quality. |
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HP_Archiv |
So it's there alright |
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HP_Archiv |
Also, I'm for whatever quality is highest and has the most bang-for-buck open-source/access wise. eg: what's most widely supported. |
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lunik1 |
probably VP9 for now but in a few years there will be a case for AV1, I think |
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HP_Archiv |
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HP_Archiv |
I still say Google should've addressed the data archiving and permanency angle of their platform when they had the chance. Don't think they can do that right now in the current cultural climate |
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HP_Archiv |
There's zero transparency with them regarding if they have digital archivists working on ways to save the culture being produced on their platform... |
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HP_Archiv |
Which is why we're all here, really. |
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HP_Archiv |
Yet again, this all comes down to the IP and copyright laws that require changes |
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JAA |
I think they're pretty clear about it actually. "Fuck you, this is a walled garden." |
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HP_Archiv |
Lol, you could say that JAA sure. But I'd like to think that they're not complete assholes and that there are serious people at Google who have had internal discussions about this. I'm sure they have. |
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lunik1 |
there's technical hurdles with youtube too, Google is one of only a handful of organisations that can store that much data |
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JAA |
Oh, sure, but ultimately, they make money by keeping people within their ecosystem. |
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HP_Archiv |
^^ |
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HP_Archiv |
Personally, I'm of the belief that anything you put out in the public is up grabs, and that includes - whatever it is - ending up in an archive or cultural database that represents a time in history. |
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JAA |
It's all about finding the balance between pretending to care about the users and telling them to go fuck themselves. |
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HP_Archiv |
And if you don't want it there, then don't put it out there. |
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JAA |
Yep. If you put up a poster on street posts, don't get mad when people take pictures. |
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JAA |
Too many people don't understand what it means to publish something. |
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lunik1 |
I'd make a case against archiving certain illegal content, but that distinct from the expectation of something you publish to be archived |
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JAA |
In a way, I agree, but if the goal is to create a representative archive of the current society's digital life, which I'd say it is, then that should include everything. |
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JAA |
It's definitely a tricky problem though. |
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JAA |
Also, "illegal" is always only relevant for a particular jurisdiction. I'm not sure if there's anything (in this context) that is illegal everywhere in the world. |
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lunik1 |
in the context of YouTube? nothing that would stay up very long but it's hard to say conclusively |
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JAA |
I meant in the context of web archival. |
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lunik1 |
that's probably technically true, but there will be content illegal for the vast majority and/or covered by international conventions |
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JAA |
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jason0597 |
is there a quick and easy script that i can use to archive an *entire* youtube channel? (videos, descriptions, tags, comments, etc.) |
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benjins |
Longer answer: there are some examples of using youtube-dl on the wiki https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=YouTube |
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benjins |
If you feed it the channel URL, it will automatically grab all videos on that channel, however it won't grab comments, community posts, and a few other things |
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benjins |
Mainly it'll grab videos, thumbnails, and metadata |
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benjins |
Is there a channel you have in mind for this? |
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jason0597 |
i have a lot of let's play channels i grew up with in the early 2010s and they are sorta my childhood now |
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jason0597 |
i want to save them all and put them in cold storage in a hard drive somewhere |
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jason0597 |
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-ST8000AS0002-Archive-3-5-Inch-Drive/dp/B00XS423SC |
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jason0597 |
something like that |
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JAA |
For comments, you may be interested in this: https://git.kiska.pw/JustAnotherArchivist/youtube-comments |
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JAA |
Note that the data is not at all in any format that could even remotely be called accessible. But at least it's there. |
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JAA |
(Also, if you decide to try it out, be warned, there be dragons.) |
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jason0597 |
oh i don't mind, i can think about building a reconstruction of the youtube video player when 15 years down the line when i get nostalgic |
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jason0597 |
dragons? |
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JAA |
It relies on qwarc, which is beta software at this point. |
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JAA |
So, be prepared for bugs, crashes, and whatnot. |
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jason0597 |
hmm alright |
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jason0597 |
thanks |
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benjins |
Oh also: old lets plays tended to use annotations a bunch, which Youtube got rid of. However they've possibly already been archived by omarroth, who runs invidio.us |
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benjins |
You can check to see if they're on an old video by going to invidio.us/watch?v={video_id} and clicking Show Annotations in the lower left |
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jason0597 |
yeah i know about the annotations, it was a massive blow to me when i heard about it |
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jason0597 |
tbh i'm 100% certain google has all the annotations stored somewhere in one of their data centres |
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jason0597 |
i highly doubt they deleted them |
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jason0597 |
i wonder what it would take to get them to release them |
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