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Ryz |
More reasons to not use TikTok? Here they are: https://twitter.com/d1rtydan/status/1277081198624337920 |
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Raccoon |
on a similar vein, a whole heap of politicians (especially in the UK and europe) are abandoning Twitter and Facebook and now post exclusively on the new platform Parler. |
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it's probably worth grabbing a good parler @name right about now, before Trump announces the same |
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JAA |
Parler is entirely useless without JS. Great, I hate it already. |
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kiska |
How does one view a profile? |
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Frogging |
Ryz: Chinese social media hellware is cancer |
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schbirid |
US social media hellware is cancer |
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Frogging |
can't argue with that either |
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Frogging |
I think chinese apps are worse because of the government's involvement, but yeah, I won't say Facebook et al are perfect either |
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schbirid |
you are right, there is zero involvement of the US government in US apps |
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Frogging |
not sure if schbirid was being sarcastic, but yes I will argue that the US government's spying on social media is not in the same league as China's iron grip on all major business entities and activities within their sphere of influence |
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Frogging |
pardon my buzzwording, but I think that's some irrelevant "whataboutism" |
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Frogging |
criticism of TikTok ≠endorsement of Facebook |
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Raccoon |
Don't Google and Apple actively monitor and ban invasive apps that violate privacy? |
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JAA |
The app stores would be nearly empty if they did. |
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Raccoon |
huh. |
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kiska |
Its called a "privacy policy" |
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kiska |
Also yes if they did get rid of invasive apps, then the app store would be empty and only paid stuff would exist |
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Raccoon |
they got rid of Contact Scraping and that didn't kill off mobile apps |
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JAA |
Yup, 95+ % of the free apps only exist to collect data on you. If not directly, then indirectly via ads. |
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Raccoon |
Used to be if you installed an app, you and all your friends would get phone calls from happy salesmen |
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Raccoon |
or scammers |
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kiska |
Still happens occasionally :D |
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JAA looks at WhatsApp transferring the entire contact list to the servers. |
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JAA |
Yup, they totally got rid of all that stuff. |
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kiska looks at twitter transferring my contact list to their servers |
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Raccoon |
I don't mind multi billion dollar corporations requesting permission to access particular features like contact management, for meaningful purposes. |
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JAA |
I do mind, because it means they have a lot of information on me even though I never consented to them having it (because other people have it and use those services). |
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Raccoon |
It's the people who write apps when they're piled 20 people to a tiny apartment looking to get rich on the few dullards that cross their path |
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Raccoon |
at least on the android platform, you have to affirm "let this app access your contacts?" |
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Raccoon |
i think that permission request should cost app makers $100,000 |
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kiska |
Then we would have a store with only the big guys :D |
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Raccoon |
neato |
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kiska |
ie Facebook, twitter, instagram, tiktok, etc |
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Raccoon |
big guys can pay lawsuit settlements |
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JAA |
Yeah, fuck that. |
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Raccoon |
random people from the far east don't show up to court summonses |
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JAA |
No open source apps ever again, basically. |
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kiska |
Small indie devs would be wiped out |
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kiska |
University apps would no longer exist, unless we side load |
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Raccoon |
university? |
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Raccoon |
what do college students need with your contact list? |
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kiska |
Did you know that the Western Sydney University app has emergency contacts in case of an emergency while on campus |
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Raccoon |
doesn't need to access your contact list |
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JAA |
What about all the other permissions? Location, for example? |
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Raccoon |
at least those permissions screw yourself over. |
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kiska |
It uses an API don't remember what its called but Google has one for emergency contact synchronisation between devices |
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JAA |
Also, just because an app accesses the contact list doesn't mean it does anything nefarious with it. |
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Raccoon |
i don't want my bratty cousins installing Pony Crush and selling my contact so they can get 300 free Pony Bucks |
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JAA |
E.g. a calendar app where you can mark which of your contacts are also at an event. |
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kiska |
https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/76dd77339a1f4591/Screenshot_20200630-090343_Contacts.jpg |
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kiska |
I do like having an emergency responder able to know what medical conditions I have |
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Raccoon |
kiska: Tell your university to Pony up $100,000 those cheap asses |
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Raccoon |
legal retainer bond |
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JAA |
kiska: Why does that need to be in a special app though? Android already has an emergency information thing, and I bet so does iOS... |
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kiska |
Use to be not there :D |
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kiska |
Was only added circa Android 6 |
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kiska |
And this particular version didn't sync with my file on Google's servers, cause its a Samsung phone |
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JAA |
Huh, 7 even |
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Raccoon |
Speaking of Location apps, what ever happened to Four Square or w/e it was called. Is that still a thing? |
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kiska |
What about my Home Doctor booking app? |
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Raccoon |
I think it gave you sonar alerts if a friend was within walking distance |
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kiska |
They don't have infinite money cause they are a sole trader |
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Raccoon |
Why does your home doctor need your kid brother's contact info? |
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Raccoon |
is he some sort of creapo? |
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kiska |
Family conditions, emergency contact |
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kiska |
I have my sister down as a emergency contact |
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Raccoon |
you can type that info down, so they don't get mistaken / old info and you die a tragic lonely death. |
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kiska |
I have had an asthma attack while a doctor was attending |
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Raccoon |
it's only 11 digits |
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kiska |
And before Android 7, what happens if someone finds me on a side walk unconscious, and calls an ambulance? |
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kiska |
There used to be apps that would do what Android 7+ does now |
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Raccoon |
again, that never needed anything to do with your Contacts book |
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Raccoon |
you hand typed those numbers into the app yourself, el manual |
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kiska |
Nope just typed my sisters name :D |
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Raccoon |
they get sent to the Dialer app, which is a different permission from Contacts, and always has been |
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Raccoon |
also. Your doctor can honestly eff himself as long as Pony Crush is tricking bratty cousins into releasing my contact info to randos in third-world countries. |
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kiska |
Fun both my banking apps have contacts as a permission :D |
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kiska |
banking apps I use* |
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JAA |
I'll never understand why so many people do that. It's horribly insecure, especially since many people also don't install updates in a timely manner (or even at all). |
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Raccoon |
Don't miss a payment or they might harass your family to collect |
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kiska |
Or not get any updates from the manufacturer :D |
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JAA |
Yeah, and that. |
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kiska |
My Samsung is still stuck on Android 9 :D |
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Frogging |
my blackberry is still on android 6 |
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Raccoon |
If your device is >2 years old, it most likely won't receive any OTA updates. Samsung, for instance, simply does not write the hardware drivers for newer versions of android for older devices. |
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kiska |
I know :D |
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Raccoon |
Guess which play phones and tablets the young cousins get hand-me-down. |
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kiska |
I also guess I am very open too, alot of people in this channel and on other mediums know I am gay |
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Arcorann |
Next time I get a phone I plan to install a custom ROM straight away without even bothering to initialise the installed system |
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JAA |
Yet everyone keeps buying these devices, still knowing they'll be unsupported just 2 years later. |
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kiska |
Yep and since I am still in contract with a loan device, I can't do that :D |
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kiska |
There wasn't that many options here when I signed the contract 2 years ago |
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kiska |
And I am locked in for 3 years :D |
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JAA |
F |
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kiska |
I also guess I am quite desensitised by https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/about-us/our-portfolios/national-security/lawful-access-telecommunications/data-encryption |
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JAA |
Ah yes, that bullshit. |
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kiska |
I got a response back from that department with (paraphrased) "if you don't want us spying and other people spying, then don't own/use a device connected to the internet" |
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kiska |
Also "Foursquare - The Trusted Location Data & Intelligence Company" :D |
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kiska |
So yes Foursquare does still exist D: |
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kiska |
I guess Google can find where I live, if they already don't know it https://server8.kiska.pw/uploads/228e2dc0a80e145e/image.png |
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kiska |
I guess thins is the find kiska challenge xD |
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kiska |
s/thins/this |
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Frogging |
JAA: Which devices have actual long-term support? |
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kiska |
None? Maybe the pixel line |
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Frogging |
in response to "everyone keeps buying these devices, still knowing they'll be unsupported just 2 years later" |
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Frogging |
If there's a line of devices for which this is not the case, I'm interested :p |
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JAA |
Frogging: Fairphone has done a decent job. The FP2 was released in Dec 2015 and is still supported. |
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Frogging |
ah, nice |
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JAA |
No newer Android version, but still getting security fixes etc. |
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Frogging |
that's good |
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Frogging |
unfortunately it looks like they're |
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Frogging |
Europe only |
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Frogging |
phones are pretty disappointing in general. such a closed and opaque ecosystem |
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Frogging |
I feel like any flexibility android offers for power users is only a stopgap until they find a way to abstract it away |