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I'm curious how likely it actually helps. I am aware that it's critical to have multiple copies and make more over time, but the durability of any given storage medium is still a concern. [15:17] *** DogsRNice has joined #archiveteam-ot [15:17] I figure if anyone is going to have a strong opinion on m-disc vs other storage media, it's probably someone affiliated with archiveteam somehow, hence me asking here. :) [15:36] *** lunik13 has quit IRC (Quit: :x) [15:39] *** lunik13 has joined #archiveteam-ot [16:22] *** HP_Archiv has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [17:02] *** schbirid has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [17:08] *** igloo25 has joined #archiveteam-ot [17:08] *** wp494 has joined #archiveteam-ot [17:12] *** Kaz_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:35] *** Kaz_ is now known as Kaz [18:50] *** qw3rty has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:50] *** qw3rty_ has quit IRC (irc.efnet.nl efnet.deic.eu) [18:50] *** voker57 has quit IRC (irc.efnet.nl efnet.deic.eu) [18:50] *** yawkat has quit IRC (irc.efnet.nl efnet.deic.eu) [18:50] *** kiskaWee has quit IRC (irc.efnet.nl efnet.deic.eu) [18:50] *** Maylay has quit IRC (irc.efnet.nl efnet.deic.eu) [18:50] *** maxfan8 has quit IRC (irc.efnet.nl efnet.deic.eu) [18:54] *** voker57 has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:54] *** yawkat has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:54] *** kiskaWee has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:54] *** Maylay has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:54] *** maxfan8 has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:54] *** efnet.deic.eu sets mode: +o kiskaWee [19:19] *** xit has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:27] *** horkermon has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:28] *** mgrytbak has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:29] *** picklefac has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:30] *** diggan has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:33] *** DrasticAc has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:34] *** pnJay has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:36] *** justcool3 has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:37] *** Vito` has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:42] *** jrwr has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:44] *** amelia386 has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:45] *** starlord has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:45] *** revi has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:49] *** Stilett0 has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:53] *** Stiletto has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 622 seconds) [19:57] *** xit has quit IRC () [19:57] *** Stiletto has joined #archiveteam-ot [19:58] *** Stilett0 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [20:01] *** Kaz_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [20:02] *** Kaz has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) [20:02] *** Kaz_ is now known as Kaz [20:06] *** hook54321 has joined #archiveteam-ot [20:15] *** SJon___ has joined #archiveteam-ot [20:18] *** HCross has joined #archiveteam-ot [20:21] *** chr1sm has joined #archiveteam-ot [20:25] *** Ctrl-S___ has joined #archiveteam-ot [20:58] prq: What I can say is that BD M-Discs are a scam. They're virtually identical to and have essentially the same durability ratings (~500 years) as normal BDs from reputable manufacturers. [20:59] The 1000 year claim comes from the DVDs, and those are indeed superior to normal DVDs as the latter use organic dyes that degrade after several years to a couple decades (under optimal conditions). [21:00] In any case, good luck finding a working DVD reader in 1000 years. [21:01] Migration to new(er) media is always necessary anyway. [21:05] *** Craigle has quit IRC (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) [21:05] *** apache2_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [21:05] *** coderobe has quit IRC (Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) [21:06] *** apache2 has joined #archiveteam-ot [21:06] *** Craigle has joined #archiveteam-ot [21:06] *** coderobe has joined #archiveteam-ot [21:06] *** mtntmnky_ has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [21:07] *** mtntmnky_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [21:14] *** HP_Archiv has joined #archiveteam-ot [21:15] *** HP_Archiv has quit IRC (Client Quit) [21:16] *** HP_Archiv has joined #archiveteam-ot [21:17] yeah, the working dvd reader bit is most definitely the bigger issue then. I am mostly thinking about maximizing the number of working copies of a given physical backup set for as long as possible. If I burn a thousand DVDs now, will they *all* be readable in 50 years? probably not all of them. will there be a working dvd reader in 50 years? probably. I figure choosing good media will help [21:17] maximize the likelihood of success for future media migrations. [21:17] especially if those collections end up in a condition where they aren't tended properly for longer than ideal [21:34] *** n00b222 has joined #archiveteam-ot [21:49] *** HP_Archiv has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [23:08] *** NickN00b has quit IRC (Leaving.) [23:15] *** Arcorann_ has joined #archiveteam-ot