#archiveteam-ot 2018-12-19,Wed

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00:23 🔗 arkiver hook54321: I believe chfoo
00:23 🔗 arkiver love the image
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00:28 🔗 teej_ arkiver: Me too. I would like to see more of those. It reminds me of Portal.
00:28 🔗 arkiver feel free to release your creative self :)
00:29 🔗 hook54321 yeah, it's a great image. I don't see it used anywhere on the wiki anymore though :/
00:30 🔗 arkiver https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Dev/Infrastructure
00:30 🔗 hook54321 ah
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00:59 🔗 teej_ Look at this: https://motus-labs.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Oct-03-2018-13-38-46-1.gif
00:59 🔗 teej_ That's interesting.
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05:08 🔗 kbtoo__ I wonder if it'l be like that time IA did a 24hour webathon and there doesn't appear to be a clip of the whole thing.
05:09 🔗 teej_ kbtoo__: Did you see the gif I messaged earlier?
05:10 🔗 kbtoo__ no?
05:11 🔗 teej_ 19:59:24 <teej_> Look at this: https://motus-labs.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Oct-03-2018-13-38-46-1.gif
05:11 🔗 teej_ kbtoo__: ^
05:11 🔗 teej_ Isn't that interesting?
05:12 🔗 kbtoo__ Yes but I don't know what it is.
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05:13 🔗 teej_ kbtoo__: It's a gear drive, I think.
05:15 🔗 edsphone I was so mesmerized by Jason's stream i tried to resume a save-stated VM on a different architecture laptop with insufficient RAM
05:15 🔗 edsphone It instantly sent me to swap-hell
05:15 🔗 kbtoo__ looks like it's more clockwork than gears
05:16 🔗 teej_ Actually it's a non-gear drive.
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05:16 🔗 teej_ It's designed not to use gears.
05:17 🔗 teej_ edsphone: How much swap do you have?
05:17 🔗 teej_ Did you have to restart your laptop?
05:17 🔗 edsphone I shut it down, and moved the disk back to the original machine, like i should have in the first place
05:18 🔗 edsphone It was essentially halted
05:18 🔗 edsphone I could move my cursor a few pixels every 30s
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05:18 🔗 teej_ Lol.
05:18 🔗 edsphone I'm home for the holidays, so i had to cludge together a working system
05:19 🔗 teej_ At least you have a working system.
05:19 🔗 teej_ Better than nothing.
05:19 🔗 edsphone It's not a horrible system for server stuff
05:19 🔗 teej_ I should get more system stuff.
05:19 🔗 edsphone Still a reasonable amount of power left in a Core 2 Quad with 8GB if DDR2
05:20 🔗 teej_ That's good.
05:20 🔗 edsphone More than enough to run a shit ton of crawl instances
05:20 🔗 edsphone Just no working IGPU suppot at the moment
05:20 🔗 edsphone Which is really annoying
05:21 🔗 teej_ Integrated Intel GPU?
05:21 🔗 * kbtoo__ even has P4 machines running crawlers.
05:21 🔗 edsphone Yeah
05:21 🔗 teej_ Intel is really far behind with their GPUs.
05:21 🔗 edsphone It's an old one on a C2Q
05:21 🔗 teej_ How did it stop working?
05:21 🔗 teej_ Do you need a dedicated GPU to get a video output?
05:22 🔗 edsphone It's working, just using mesa drivers without much in the way of acceleration
05:22 🔗 edsphone It's slloooooooow
05:22 🔗 teej_ Oh right.
05:22 🔗 kbtoo__ speaking of which they need a git pull now...
05:22 🔗 teej_ Those drivers.
05:22 🔗 teej_ Why does Linux suffer so much with drivers?
05:23 🔗 edsphone It's fine for most things
05:23 🔗 edsphone I also mostly do it to myself
05:23 🔗 teej_ I think it should have the best support, given that it's free.
05:23 🔗 edsphone I forgot my boot USB back at the college
05:23 🔗 teej_ edsphone: You finished finals early?
05:24 🔗 edsphone Standard college ending here is around last week
05:24 🔗 teej_ Oh.
05:24 🔗 teej_ I guess every college is different.
05:25 🔗 edsphone I had my exams two weeks earlier than that because my program spends the final two weeks in the theatre running technical for the musical theatre students
05:26 🔗 teej_ Oh interesting. Are you interested in musical theatre?
05:27 🔗 teej_ Just curious. What do you study?
05:27 🔗 teej_ If you don't mind me asking...
05:28 🔗 edsphone Entertainment Technology
05:29 🔗 edsphone We're the techies, they're the talent
05:29 🔗 edsphone It's a very mutual relationship with the other program
05:29 🔗 teej_ edsphone: Oh do you handle the lights? Or the effects?
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05:35 🔗 kbtoo__ What does --max-items do? From the description it's supposed to shut down after completing a set number but it doesn't seem to work with --concurrent
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05:39 🔗 edsphone Personally I'm more of a lighting technician, yes.
05:40 🔗 edsphone Sorry for the delay, trying to update my machines at the sane time Google's package mirror goes down
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05:45 🔗 teej_ I don't like Google.
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06:04 🔗 edgivesup I think my phone is done flipping out
06:05 🔗 edgivesup Sorry if anyone's sent anything recently
06:06 🔗 teej_ edgivesup: Oh. Do you use your phone for IRC?
06:07 🔗 edgivesup At the moment
06:07 🔗 edgivesup Ehh, lemme launch a CLI client
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06:10 🔗 edgivesup Greatttt
06:10 🔗 edgivesup That only does one channel per instance
06:10 🔗 Flashfire what phone?
06:10 🔗 edgivesup Why are all the default irc clients on ubuntu shitty
06:10 🔗 Flashfire use IRCCloud?
06:12 🔗 edgivesup Dling
06:15 🔗 jut edgivesup: Wait, did I understand you corectly, you are going college to become a lighting technician?
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06:23 🔗 edgivesup jut: yes
06:24 🔗 jut Is the program any good ? Because one of our universities has a program like this, but in a year of working I haven't met anyone who finished it
06:27 🔗 edgivesup I like my program, but mine is currently shutting down for a bit
06:27 🔗 edgivesup No new admissions
06:28 🔗 edgivesup Which is going to be really fun next year when there's 8 of use building, painting, rigging, lighting, wiring, operating flys, operating LX, operating audio, followspots, etc
06:29 🔗 jut One program encompases all of that??
06:34 🔗 edgivesup Yeah
06:34 🔗 edgivesup Three year program
06:34 🔗 edgivesup College wants to cut it down to two
06:37 🔗 edgivesup Which will probably sacrifice set building and painting
06:40 🔗 jut WOW, ok, but two years seems, little, how much practical experience do you get? I mean, I spent a year actualy working weekends and days that aren't busy, and there is still a whole lot that I learn every day
06:41 🔗 edgivesup In the context of a college, you have courses to teach you these things, as well as the actual events we have to run
06:43 🔗 edgivesup It also helped that i did a lot of this through my old highschool's theatre
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06:46 🔗 jut Yeah I'm still at highschool I can't Image having my job if I ended up in a different highschool, we don't have a teacher responsible,
06:47 🔗 jut So students do everything
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07:35 🔗 Specular this tumblr thing has to be the most buzz online I've seen around an archiving effort in some time
07:36 🔗 Specular suddenly everyone is super concerned over their porn disappearing, to a fervor unlike most things :p
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08:03 🔗 JAA TIL there are protected/private WordPress blogs: http://building21377529309.wordpress.com/
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13:53 🔗 degauss Hi, I wonder if I could get some advice on online archiving, please?
13:53 🔗 degauss I have a particular task, which is proving difficult.
13:59 🔗 pnJay Use more words please degauss
13:59 🔗 JAA Don't ask to ask; just ask! :-)
14:00 🔗 degauss Ok. I'm trying to archive a site that consists of user-made web pages. For example, MakeYourSite.com/User/YourWebSite. The MakeYourSite.com
14:01 🔗 degauss ONLY allows access to specific user pages, and gives me a 403 error on recursive wget attempts. I'm trying to find a way to get the whole site
14:01 🔗 degauss before it goes down, it's been up since 1999.
14:02 🔗 degauss The site is users.globalnet.co.uk
14:04 🔗 degauss I have no idea what the individual user pages are called (I'm not that good...) but I'd like to save them, just in case.
14:09 🔗 pnJay Can you find this site on the wayback machine?
14:09 🔗 pnJay I can't get that URL to load.
14:10 🔗 degauss The URL will only load specific user pages, so unless you know every page you want, it won't show anything.
14:10 🔗 psi Userpages do work: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~loxias/
14:11 🔗 degauss I haven't tried Wayback. I have saved the pages I know, but I can't get the ones I don't know about yet.
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14:40 🔗 ivan_ degauss: try changing your user agent to not be wget
14:40 🔗 ivan_ if you want WARCs, grab-site does them and pretends to be Firefox
14:41 🔗 degauss I've tried using firefox, mozilla, chrome etc.. No luck. I'll try grab-site. I'm still a bit of a noob.
14:41 🔗 degauss * as user agents.
14:43 🔗 JAA degauss: Have they announced a shutdown, or are you just (rightly) worried it might disappear?
14:46 🔗 degauss I'm just a bit concerned. It's hard to destroy a book, but an entire 90s online culture can disappear in the time it takes to plug a dodgy vacuum cleaner in.
14:48 🔗 degauss The company (globalnet) has been bought out many times, it's just a matter of time before someone notices the old customer sites are still up. GDPR and all, they might pull the plug.
14:48 🔗 kiska Sorry, did someone say something is going down and we don't have a backup?
14:54 🔗 degauss I'm not sure it is going down, but it might. I'll have a bash with grab-site and see how I get on.
14:54 🔗 JAA Yeah, and several such services were shut down recently, e.g. TalkTalk in the UK and the ones hosted by Vodafone in New Zeland.
14:55 🔗 JAA It's only a matter of time until they disappear entirely.
14:55 🔗 JAA (GeoCities Japan is also shutting down in a few months.)
15:01 🔗 Jens Speaking of panic... is there someway to get notified when a new project is initiated? I don't always follow all the AT channels that closely.
15:03 🔗 JAA Jens: #archiveteam is the best place probably. I'm sure you could script something using the projects.json file, but that won't necessarily tell you when a project is actually starting. Or you could use the wiki RSS feed and filter it aggressively, but then you'd only get it with a delay because the wiki isn't usually updated immediately.
15:04 🔗 Jens Have to pay closer attention to IRC then.
15:13 🔗 pnJay Jens if you use IRC cloud you can get a ping setup and a push on your mobile
15:14 🔗 Jens Quassel 4 life.
15:17 🔗 pnJay doesnt purple bot annouce when a mainproject changes, you could do a ping for that maybe?
15:20 🔗 JAA On that topic, I find it really sad that there's apparently *still* no way to set up push notifications on a self-hosted setup. I found Pushjet which is dead/unmaintained/broken/unmaintained, and even that uses Google Cloud Messaging. That's it (last time I checked a few months ago). :-|
15:21 🔗 JAA purplebot announces wiki page changes through notices to -bs.
15:22 🔗 Jens When it comes to phones, I'm an old fart. I only use mine for calls/messaging 95% of the time.
15:23 🔗 JAA Oh, looks like there were some developments in the past two months: https://github.com/Pushjet/Pushjet-Server-Api/issues/35#issuecomment-431718775
15:24 🔗 JAA Namely, Pushjet was forked to PushFish, and that Android client uses MQTT rather than GCM for message delivery. Sweet, looks like I need to take a look at that again.
15:25 🔗 JAA Link for the lazy: https://gitlab.com/PushFish
15:25 🔗 JAA Anyway, to get back to the topic, what sort of notification are you looking for then, Jens?
15:26 🔗 Jens I dunno... just something that might trigger me on IRC or something.
15:27 🔗 Jens [alert!] Yahoo is torching another site. Fire up your VMs!!!
15:28 🔗 JAA So when everything's ready for running, you mean?
15:29 🔗 anarcat [alert!] the internet is burning, as usual
15:30 🔗 Jens Or before. Shit an alert that shit's going down with AT.
15:31 🔗 JAA *hums* We didn't start the fire... It was already burning Since the world's been turning..."
15:31 🔗 * anarcat cues midnight oil
15:31 🔗 JAA Yeah, that's #archiveteam.
15:31 🔗 JAA Unless clueless people walk in and ask random questions before being sent to -bs or here. :-)
15:32 🔗 JAA And we could do a better job actually announcing it. But yeah, set up some fancy highlights on that channel probably.
15:32 🔗 pnJay Yeah I would like some kind of system like Jens is describing, "Hey fire lasers" "Hey update your vps or you're burning dollars for no benefits"
15:33 🔗 Jens Anyway, I have to go take care of christmas related things irl. Later.
15:33 🔗 JAA That's exactly what #archiveteam is supposed to be. Well, and "Shit, X is going down. We need to organise!"
15:34 🔗 teej_ JAA: I didn't know until I was yelled at.
15:35 🔗 teej_ Maybe the topic can be more specific?
15:35 🔗 JAA Unfortunately, topics are extremely limited in length on EFNet, so we can't really add anything.
15:48 🔗 psi Noob question: what's -bs
15:49 🔗 JAA #archiveteam-bs
15:49 🔗 JAA Similarly, we're in -ot.
15:49 🔗 JAA We're just too lazy to write the full channel names.
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17:10 🔗 teej_ Now I have the "We didn't start the fire" song stuck in my head.
17:16 🔗 edisded_ Oh fuck you
17:17 🔗 edisded_ Now I've got it in my head
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17:58 🔗 adinbied Hi all, does anyone have experience / knowledge with Java/Smali and reverse engineering Android apps? I've made some headway but have hit a wall
18:02 🔗 teej_ adinbied: Well, there is a reverse engineering channel on Freenode. And there's an android channel as well.
18:08 🔗 teej_ So many Sears links are 404s.
18:09 🔗 adinbied Thanks, I'll check that out
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18:50 🔗 psi Bah, I'm giving up on Portainer
18:50 🔗 psi What a mess to set up
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19:00 🔗 edisded_ Sears pulled an eatons, 20 years after Eatons
19:07 🔗 degauss I got most of sears a few weeks ago. Not sure if I managed to get all the requisites etc though.
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19:22 🔗 s4t Is there something like #archivebot that everyone can use? Sometimes I find small sites that aren't the in the archive (or pages are missing) and it's annoying to save page by page
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21:03 🔗 Kaz yes
21:03 🔗 Kaz archivebot
21:03 🔗 Kaz If you don't have access to do it yourself, usually asking someone in the channel will get it queued
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21:08 🔗 trvz wtf are these clothes: https://ia801507.us.archive.org/19/items/archiveteam_tumblr_20181210134409/david-karp.jpg
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