[00:00] (as far as i know, at least) [00:03] My only issues with wikipedia's edit history is occasionally wikipedia will decide after years that a article shouldn't exist and delete it which removes the ability to look at the edit history. Unless that's changed recently. [00:11] kbtoo__: http://brenthecht.com/publications/chi2018_wikipediavaluetoonlinecommunities.pdf [00:12] (a document i can disticly remember having uploaded, btw, but seems like it's gone now..hmm) [00:17] Worked when I clicked on it but I don't understand how it relates [00:20] kbtoo__: "recruitment and retention strategies" are mentioned. I've not read it, but i did archive it (but now the item seems to be gone, besides the warc) [00:20] *** VerifiedJ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [00:24] nvm (https://archive.org/details/chi2018_wikipedia_value_to_online_communities) [00:25] kbtoo__: But my point (to the github commenter) was that NPO's have certain requirements of transparency, that's all. [00:34] I'm no lawyer or american, but i doubt that it would be lawful for an NPO organization to present itself as neutral, while covertly being biased. I guess it would be akin to a vegan NPO accepting donations, while covertly supporting 'BaconRus, INC' i guess. [00:37] *** ola_norsk has quit IRC (anywho.. Happy xmas! https://youtu.be/5IsSpAOD6K8) [01:00] *** Mateon1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 492 seconds) [01:00] *** Mateon1 has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:05] *** kbtoo has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:07] *** kbtoo__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [04:07] *** odemg has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [04:20] *** odemg has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:20] *** odemg has quit IRC (Connection closed) [04:27] *** wp494 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [04:28] *** wp494 has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:28] *** svchfoo1 sets mode: +o wp494 [04:28] *** degauss has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:48] *** dataorc has joined #archiveteam-ot [05:29] *** degauss has quit IRC (Quit: gtg) [06:19] Added a new thingie to the Wiki, when it is overloaded, it will now display a small banner and load the wayback machine version of the wiki [06:19] so when we get linked on reddit and shit, the wiki isn't full down [06:19] archiveteam.org/508.html -- if you want to add some JS logic or make it look better, just send me some HTML [06:59] *** BlueMax has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [07:10] kbtoo__: History is preserved once a page is deleted; however, it is only viewable to admins while it is, and can only be restored through undeletion (i.e. creating the page again manually doesn't restore it) [07:21] *** BlueMax has joined #archiveteam-ot [08:52] yeah, I'm mad [08:52] I wish I hadn't spent that [08:52] And people use Unraid why? [08:52] I guess because it tries to make itself simple [08:52] Why do people use ESXi? [08:52] you flash it to a USB drive, install it in a machine to boot off the USB (its software license is against the GUID of the exact flash drive) [08:52] I'd rather do something complicated and free than simple and proprietary [08:53] yeah, people do it for the simplicity [08:53] Or XenServer, or hyper-V, or any other virtualisation software? [08:53] unfortunately, I found Unraid more complicated than I cared to deal with, and it couldn't really be used as a desktop host machine at the same time, either [08:54] I got "sold" on it by watching Linus' two gaming machines in a single tower video [08:54] You can do the same thing on the more expensive ESXi! [08:54] ESXi is free if you only use 8 cores per VM [08:55] I spent the better part of 3 days setting up Portainer over https instead of signing up for whatever docker management studios are out there [08:55] Or you don't need PCIe passthrough [08:55] that comes free, last I tried it [08:55] Yeah ver. 6 doesn't have it, you need to pay for it [08:56] yuck, it worked in 6 last time I tried it, like, three years ago [08:56] that's a cutting blow there [08:57] half of the reason I even wanted to use a VM was to mistreat it like a hypervisor [08:57] Yeah 6.5 doesn't have it, you need to pay for it. As long as you stay <=6 then you have it I guess [08:57] turns out, it isn't the most comfortable, needs extreme low latency host kernel for halfway decent DPC latency in the guests [08:58] at least if you let any of the cores share with the host, which you kind of have to unless you really want to run a desktop without the "full" resources of the host machine [08:58] becomes much easier in this case just to run Windows bare metal and run Hyper-V [08:58] Meh [08:58] but I'm not running Windows right now [08:59] XenServer is pretty low latency so xD [08:59] nice [08:59] I'll have to try that some day [08:59] Or proxmox, have fun! [08:59] I know most Linux distributions that are desktop use, the "default" kernels for many of them aren't low latency, and that's terrible for trying to do anything multimedia on guests [09:00] the low latency audio subsystem of Windows will glitch regularly, no matter what sort of sound device you are using [09:00] virtual ICH6/ICH9, virtual USB, PCIe passthrough Realtek, PCIe passthrough USB interface with a USB sound device plugged in [09:01] I found I could fix that with the Zen kernel back in the day [09:01] that's not low latency enough for macOS VMs, though [09:01] and in recent attempts to passthrough things, I found that it's a Really Bad Idea to try to pass through your host machine's boot GPU [09:02] Yep [09:02] mainly, if a desktop or login screen is present, it will oops and fail [09:02] and even then, it will most definitely fail to switch back to the Linux context after the VM is terminated [09:03] I've decided the only real option is just to dual boot [09:03] I work with ESXi and XenServer, I know [09:03] excellent, that's cool [09:03] Actually, my workstation is unraid'd [09:03] the big thing I didn't like about XenServer was that it requires a Windows client to configure it [09:04] or maybe some not so easy to use FOSS client? I don't remember now [09:04] Sure about that? I was configuring XenServer about 45 mins ago with ssh [09:04] I think I also remember it wanting to access all install and target volumes over NFS [09:04] oh [09:04] SSH, heh, duh [09:04] Command line xD [09:04] I do that sort of the lazy way, using virsh [09:05] Its bad I cant use the CLI [09:05] editing a giant xml mishmash in vim [09:05] but I do cheap out and let virt-manager generate the initial definition for me [09:06] I suppose virt-install would work as well [09:06] I do it myself, so I know it does what I want it to [09:06] I don't always know how to hand configure the different components, like the PCIe root controller, the bridges, the serial interfaces, etc [09:06] xD [09:07] the only VM I currently have is my Windows development platform, which has sadly grown to a 128GB volume [09:07] Anyway I've got to go now, I've got to mess around with Proxmox [09:07] Visual Studio keeps getting bigger [09:07] see you around [09:07] VS is a piece of junk [09:08] I develop software for an audio player that long ago decided its API would be C++ classes, so its DLL ABI is 100% VS based [09:08] on all other platforms it currently exists on, there is no plugin support, it's all compiled into one static blob, same interfaces statically linked [09:09] <_niklas> I think we'd all be a lot less upset about VS size if we weren't in the habit of compulsively clicking every installer option [09:09] yeah, true [09:09] Accidentally installs adware [09:09] <_niklas> I probably have 5 _windows phone_ images on here thanks to that [09:10] I collect them upload them to virustotal and then dissect them in text edit randomly [09:47] Eternal love for its open-source namesake tho kiska [09:49] VS Code is great [10:18] *** BlueMax has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [10:54] *** dataorc has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [10:55] https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/281958097252122624/525983131396997140/unknown.png hmm [11:45] *** betamax_ is now known as betamax [12:27] *** m007a83_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [12:27] *** m007a83_ has quit IRC (Client Quit) [12:30] *** m007a83 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [12:45] *** degauss has joined #archiveteam-ot [12:48] *** degauss has quit IRC (Client Quit) [13:24] how acceptable is 130kB of JS for a pageload [13:26] *** wp494 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [13:27] *** wp494 has joined #archiveteam-ot [13:28] *** svchfoo1 sets mode: +o wp494 [13:54] *** VerfiedJ has joined #archiveteam-ot [14:17] *** Dj-Wawa has joined #archiveteam-ot [15:04] *** ubahn has joined #archiveteam-ot [15:24] *** ubahn_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [15:24] *** ubahn has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [15:29] *** ubahn_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [15:34] *** ubahn has joined #archiveteam-ot [15:51] *** ubahn_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [15:51] *** ubahn has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [16:05] psi: Ask facebook if its acceptable to inject 2MiB of JS [16:05] well, no [16:06] Then you have your answer. I try to use as little client side rendering as much as possible, opting for server side(ie php) [16:08] Mm, fair enough [16:10] There is stuff you have to do on the client, like validation, but yeah limit it [16:56] *** ubahn_ has quit IRC (Quit: ubahn_) [16:58] *** s4t has joined #archiveteam-ot [17:03] *** ubahn has joined #archiveteam-ot [17:11] *** t2t2 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [17:55] ivan_: Does phantomjs still work in grab-site? [17:56] *** ubahn has quit IRC (Quit: ubahn) [18:03] *** odemg has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:14] Well, you need validation on the server anyway, so even that isn't really necessary to do on the client. [18:14] hook54321: I believe ivan removed phantomjs entirely in his wpull fork which is used by grab-site. So no, I don't think it works. [18:14] ah ok [18:14] darn [18:37] *** ubahn has joined #archiveteam-ot [18:56] *** ubahn has quit IRC (Quit: ubahn) [19:41] any idea why FTP now fails on grab-site [19:42] HCross: Fails how? FTP is very unstable in wpull 2.0.x because it has nearly no error handling, so any timeout, connection reset, etc. kills wpull. 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