[00:06] *** martinlig has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [00:09] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828317 [00:09] (archive.is DNS) [00:13] archive.is is not good [02:12] Impressive that Mozilla hasn't managed to find a proper solution for their addons problem yet. You'd think they pay more attention to things that can break their entire ecosystem. [02:13] (When I say "proper", I mean *not* "enable studies, send us all your data, and hope that you'll get the fix sometime soonish maybe"...) [02:17] *** Zerote_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:08] *** Mateon1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 615 seconds) [03:19] *** odemg has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 615 seconds) [03:25] *** odemg has joined #archiveteam-ot [03:32] *** Ryz has joined #archiveteam-ot [03:32] Just saw this on https://old.reddit.com/r/datahoarders/comments/bjx9gm/the_remarkable_story_of_a_woman_who_preserved/ - https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/marion-stokes-television-news-archive [03:33] So much recorded loot ;-; [04:25] *** SirSackto has joined #archiveteam-ot [04:25] google, search for "cbbc cartoon works" [04:25] and "metallica" [04:48] *** marked is now known as marked1 [04:55] *** SirSackto has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [05:03] *** kode54 has quit IRC (Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat) [06:04] *** BlueMax has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [06:04] *** BlueMax has joined #archiveteam-ot [06:45] *** Mateon1 has joined #archiveteam-ot [06:48] *** kode54 has joined #archiveteam-ot [07:26] this bot is good, is archiving all videos from LostMedia wikis https://archive.org/details/@mandy_defeater_of_death [08:03] *** BlueMax has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [08:49] *** Verified_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [09:09] *** icedice has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [09:16] *** icedice has joined #archiveteam-ot [09:31] *** Verified_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [09:53] *** VerifiedJ has joined #archiveteam-ot [09:59] *** Dimtree has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [10:18] *** dhyan_nat has joined #archiveteam-ot [10:25] *** Dimtree has joined #archiveteam-ot [10:39] *** Ryz has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [10:40] *** dhyan_nat has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [10:45] *** Dimtree has quit IRC () [10:50] *** Zerote_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [10:53] *** dhyan_nat has joined #archiveteam-ot [11:17] *** martinlig has joined #archiveteam-ot [12:39] If anyone still has Firefox addon woes: https://storage.googleapis.com/moz-fx-normandy-prod-addons/extensions/hotfix-update-xpi-intermediate%40mozilla.com-1.0.2-signed.xpi should fix it. That's what's distributed through the studies, and you can install it without enabling studies. [12:41] It simply adds a new intermediate certificate and forces a verification of the installed addons. [13:46] does it works also with tor? [15:36] *** alex___ has joined #archiveteam-ot [15:41] *** Zerote_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [15:53] *** Dimtree has joined #archiveteam-ot [16:37] *** alex___ has quit IRC (Quit: take care ye all. Have fun!) [16:42] oh wow, a day later i realise that addons were also disabled on firefox mobile [16:42] ffs mozilla [16:42] this is such a clusterfuck [17:26] *** ATrescue has joined #archiveteam-ot [17:26] ATrescue: I really don't want Google's web browser dominance upset the balance of the openness of the web and its standards. [17:27] They're already pushing things in their favor. 5e sad thing is that people don't realize it. [17:27] People use Google Chrome without considering alternatives. [17:28] t3: Me too. [17:28] t3: I know, right. They own the surface web. [17:29] I don't agree with Mozilla's direction anymore. I suppose many employees left Mozilla for the same reason. [17:29] t3: Especially Firefox Quantum. What a misstep. [17:29] t3: If Quantum is really that secure, why not disable the Internet altogether?! [17:30] I think Quantum had some positives. [17:30] t3: Yes, Quantum is faster and had some new features. But legacy addons farewell. [17:30] Right. [17:30] t3: Opera did this with version 15. [17:34] I'm more considered about how Google's dominance will hurt things rather than Firefox's legacy add-ons. [17:34] concerned* [17:36] t3: Agreed. But Mozilla really didn't have to mess up this bad. [17:38] *** Zerote has joined #archiveteam-ot [17:39] All I want is a browser that is fast and reliable. I just want it to have no user tracking, and to mitigate trackers, and would comprehensively block annoying ads. [17:40] t3: ...and a browser where someone can remotely cripple it (Addon Scandal) is certainly not reliable. [17:41] Right. A browser that is not crippled in any way. [17:41] I honestly think JavaScript is unnecessarily powerful. [17:42] It's the source of most of the security issues. [17:45] t3: Modern websites rely on it extensively. [17:49] I am now leaving the browser. Chat will likely close in background. If there is anything to tell me, https://archiveteam.org/index.php/User_Talk:ATrescue [17:50] *** ATrescue has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) [18:01] Dropping legacy addon support was necessary and fine. Not planning it properly and introducing the necessary APIs in time wasn't. There are many addons, including a bunch of very popular ones, that are still unportable to WebExtensions, e.g. many cookie manipulation tools. [19:14] *** argus has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [19:14] *** noirscape has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.7.2 - https://znc.in) [19:19] *** VerifiedJ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [19:27] *** noirscape has joined #archiveteam-ot [20:23] *** kbtoo_ has joined #archiveteam-ot [20:23] *** kbtoo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [20:29] *** dhyan_nat has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [20:37] *** Stilettoo is now known as Stiletto [22:13] *** icedice has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [22:20] *** icedice has joined #archiveteam-ot [22:25] *** ivan has quit IRC (Leaving) [22:26] *** killsushi has joined #archiveteam-ot [22:26] *** ivan has joined #archiveteam-ot [22:27] *** svchfoo3 sets mode: +o ivan [22:46] *** martinlig has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [23:38] Figured out how to re-enable addons on Firefox 52 and up. The hotfix .xpi Mozilla released doesn't work there because an API is missing. Not sure from which version it does work. [23:39] What their hotfix does is simply add a particular certificate to the trust store explicitly. That way, the expired intermediate cert doesn't matter. Or at least that's how I understand it. [23:40] Of course, you can add that certificate manually as well. Here it is: https://transfer.notkiska.pw/YnCpg/signingca1addonsmozillaorg.crt (You can find it in the hotfix XPI linked earlier in the file experiments/skeleton/api.js.) [23:40] No need to explicitly trust anything, it seems. [23:41] To force Firefox to revalidate the addons, you can set app.update.lastUpdateTime.xpi-signature-verification on about:config to a value a few days in the past (anything above 24 hours should do I think; the value's in seconds, so just decrease one of the first few digits by one) and restart Firefox. [23:44] I wonder if the "no need to explicitly trust anything" thing means that any CA in the world could in principle sign addons and have them accepted by Firefox.