#archiveteam-ot 2020-05-18,Mon

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14:25 🔗 lunik1 so YouTube is rolling out AV1 including to older videos but what source are they encoding from? is there a higher-bitrate version of every video that isn't publically availible or is it just a re-encode of the VP9/h.264?
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15:05 🔗 HP_Archiv lunik1 might want to post in hackint instead of this channel, this one's pretty inactive
15:05 🔗 HP_Archiv Also, source?
15:14 🔗 lunik1 HP_Archiv: just what I've seen poking around with youtube-dl
15:15 🔗 JAA lunik1: I've heard that they do indeed keep the original upload and that you can get it back with a data export (part of Google Takeout I think?). No idea whether it's true though.
15:16 🔗 HP_Archiv I forget the name of the ytld dev I pinged last year, but going off of JAA's comment, Dev: "Only the uploader has access to the original file"
15:17 🔗 HP_Archiv But yes, I use Takeout periodically, and you can get source files of ones you've uploaded to a YouTube account you own/use.
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15:18 🔗 lunik1 but it does exist so the new codec versions of old videos won't always be inherently inferior
15:19 🔗 HP_Archiv So how would this impact, say, a script used? example?
15:19 🔗 HP_Archiv I also have it remux to mkv
15:21 🔗 lunik1 well if the original version of the video wasn't kept you would have to check the data of the video uploaded to know which codecs were lossy re-encodes, but if the original video exists then you can always prefer whatever the "best" codec is
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15:21 🔗 lunik1 personally i think VP9 yt videos look a litte better than the h.264, haven't looked at AV1 too closely yet
15:22 🔗 lunik1 +there's compatability problems with AV1 rn of course
15:24 🔗 HP_Archiv It's been known for some time now that the original video is kept. In fact, Google - not sure if they still offer this - charges YouTube premium, or whatever the subscription service is called, $2 or something to allow non-owners to download the video in high quality.
15:24 🔗 HP_Archiv So it's there alright
15:26 🔗 HP_Archiv Also, I'm for whatever quality is highest and has the most bang-for-buck open-source/access wise. eg: what's most widely supported.
15:28 🔗 lunik1 probably VP9 for now but in a few years there will be a case for AV1, I think
15:31 🔗 HP_Archiv ^^
15:32 🔗 HP_Archiv I still say Google should've addressed the data archiving and permanency angle of their platform when they had the chance. Don't think they can do that right now in the current cultural climate
15:32 🔗 HP_Archiv There's zero transparency with them regarding if they have digital archivists working on ways to save the culture being produced on their platform...
15:33 🔗 HP_Archiv Which is why we're all here, really.
15:33 🔗 HP_Archiv Yet again, this all comes down to the IP and copyright laws that require changes
15:33 🔗 JAA I think they're pretty clear about it actually. "Fuck you, this is a walled garden."
15:34 🔗 HP_Archiv Lol, you could say that JAA sure. But I'd like to think that they're not complete assholes and that there are serious people at Google who have had internal discussions about this. I'm sure they have.
15:35 🔗 lunik1 there's technical hurdles with youtube too, Google is one of only a handful of organisations that can store that much data
15:35 🔗 JAA Oh, sure, but ultimately, they make money by keeping people within their ecosystem.
15:35 🔗 HP_Archiv ^^
15:37 🔗 HP_Archiv Personally, I'm of the belief that anything you put out in the public is up grabs, and that includes - whatever it is - ending up in an archive or cultural database that represents a time in history.
15:37 🔗 JAA It's all about finding the balance between pretending to care about the users and telling them to go fuck themselves.
15:37 🔗 HP_Archiv And if you don't want it there, then don't put it out there.
15:38 🔗 JAA Yep. If you put up a poster on street posts, don't get mad when people take pictures.
15:38 🔗 JAA Too many people don't understand what it means to publish something.
15:41 🔗 lunik1 I'd make a case against archiving certain illegal content, but that distinct from the expectation of something you publish to be archived
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15:47 🔗 JAA In a way, I agree, but if the goal is to create a representative archive of the current society's digital life, which I'd say it is, then that should include everything.
15:47 🔗 JAA It's definitely a tricky problem though.
15:49 🔗 JAA Also, "illegal" is always only relevant for a particular jurisdiction. I'm not sure if there's anything (in this context) that is illegal everywhere in the world.
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15:56 🔗 lunik1 in the context of YouTube? nothing that would stay up very long but it's hard to say conclusively
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17:17 🔗 JAA I meant in the context of web archival.
17:27 🔗 lunik1 that's probably technically true, but there will be content illegal for the vast majority and/or covered by international conventions
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22:42 🔗 jason0597 is there a quick and easy script that i can use to archive an *entire* youtube channel? (videos, descriptions, tags, comments, etc.)
22:44 🔗 benjins Longer answer: there are some examples of using youtube-dl on the wiki https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=YouTube
22:44 🔗 benjins If you feed it the channel URL, it will automatically grab all videos on that channel, however it won't grab comments, community posts, and a few other things
22:44 🔗 benjins Mainly it'll grab videos, thumbnails, and metadata
22:45 🔗 benjins Is there a channel you have in mind for this?
22:46 🔗 jason0597 i have a lot of let's play channels i grew up with in the early 2010s and they are sorta my childhood now
22:46 🔗 jason0597 i want to save them all and put them in cold storage in a hard drive somewhere
22:50 🔗 jason0597 https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-ST8000AS0002-Archive-3-5-Inch-Drive/dp/B00XS423SC
22:50 🔗 jason0597 something like that
22:52 🔗 JAA For comments, you may be interested in this: https://git.kiska.pw/JustAnotherArchivist/youtube-comments
22:52 🔗 JAA Note that the data is not at all in any format that could even remotely be called accessible. But at least it's there.
22:53 🔗 JAA (Also, if you decide to try it out, be warned, there be dragons.)
22:53 🔗 jason0597 oh i don't mind, i can think about building a reconstruction of the youtube video player when 15 years down the line when i get nostalgic
22:53 🔗 jason0597 dragons?
22:54 🔗 JAA It relies on qwarc, which is beta software at this point.
22:54 🔗 JAA So, be prepared for bugs, crashes, and whatnot.
22:55 🔗 jason0597 hmm alright
22:55 🔗 jason0597 thanks
22:57 🔗 benjins Oh also: old lets plays tended to use annotations a bunch, which Youtube got rid of. However they've possibly already been archived by omarroth, who runs invidio.us
22:58 🔗 benjins You can check to see if they're on an old video by going to invidio.us/watch?v={video_id} and clicking Show Annotations in the lower left
23:06 🔗 jason0597 yeah i know about the annotations, it was a massive blow to me when i heard about it
23:14 🔗 jason0597 tbh i'm 100% certain google has all the annotations stored somewhere in one of their data centres
23:14 🔗 jason0597 i highly doubt they deleted them
23:14 🔗 jason0597 i wonder what it would take to get them to release them
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