#archiveteam-ot 2020-07-08,Wed

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09:08 🔗 Arcorann Looks like TVTropes had a server failure yesterday and lost about 24 hours worth of edits
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15:16 🔗 prq m-disc has the "1000 year" claim. I'm curious how likely it actually helps. I am aware that it's critical to have multiple copies and make more over time, but the durability of any given storage medium is still a concern.
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15:17 🔗 prq I figure if anyone is going to have a strong opinion on m-disc vs other storage media, it's probably someone affiliated with archiveteam somehow, hence me asking here. :)
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20:58 🔗 JAA prq: What I can say is that BD M-Discs are a scam. They're virtually identical to and have essentially the same durability ratings (~500 years) as normal BDs from reputable manufacturers.
20:59 🔗 JAA The 1000 year claim comes from the DVDs, and those are indeed superior to normal DVDs as the latter use organic dyes that degrade after several years to a couple decades (under optimal conditions).
21:00 🔗 JAA In any case, good luck finding a working DVD reader in 1000 years.
21:01 🔗 JAA Migration to new(er) media is always necessary anyway.
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21:17 🔗 prq yeah, the working dvd reader bit is most definitely the bigger issue then. I am mostly thinking about maximizing the number of working copies of a given physical backup set for as long as possible. If I burn a thousand DVDs now, will they *all* be readable in 50 years? probably not all of them. will there be a working dvd reader in 50 years? probably. I figure choosing good media will help
21:17 🔗 prq maximize the likelihood of success for future media migrations.
21:17 🔗 prq especially if those collections end up in a condition where they aren't tended properly for longer than ideal
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