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15:46 🔗 SketchCow People are weird.
15:46 🔗 SketchCow When I invited a bunch of people to the Internet Archive Discord (Unofficial) to prove a point that opening it up generally was a bad idea, the point got proved quickly.
15:47 🔗 SketchCow But as one said, "This is terrible news. Cloudflare Is Bad For The Net."
15:47 🔗 SketchCow OK, well
15:48 🔗 SketchCow If you haven't figured it out yet, IA wants one thing: Global awareness of URLs that are part of the social fabric, the use of actual people using the web to look at things, especially things of great interest or consequence or potential fragility.
15:48 🔗 SketchCow We're using a whole range of ways to do that re: wayback.
15:48 🔗 SketchCow One of them is twitter. Follow every link we can and archive them as they're mentioned. Since twitter is a fucking shitshow, that way is quality-variant
15:49 🔗 SketchCow Another is to grab every outbound link from wikipedia at time of mention.
15:49 🔗 SketchCow That's worked out better.
15:49 🔗 SketchCow And so on.
15:49 🔗 SketchCow So this cloudflare thing is more "we get notified of every page on the net that is getting so much activity that cloudflare is involved or has been brought in"
15:50 🔗 SketchCow I have no time for "cloudflare is baaaaaaaaaaad for the net"
15:50 🔗 Samizdat Speaking of the IA, Sketch, I hate to borrow from the Outlaw Jimmy Wales, but would you consider a more neutral point of view name for collections whose outlook differs from yours, something other than "Off-center" or "Fringe?"
15:50 🔗 SketchCow This is us LITERALLY OPENING THE NET
15:50 🔗 SketchCow What
15:50 🔗 SketchCow Ah.
15:50 🔗 SketchCow No.
15:50 🔗 SketchCow Why
15:51 🔗 SketchCow Oh, I probably shouldn't say "Why". That implies you're going to drop a bit of argument in the hopes that it will move the needle.
15:52 🔗 SketchCow Nah, wait, what the fuck
15:52 🔗 Samizdat Or consider naming collections with a Left bent "Left-of-Center" or "Kooky?"
15:52 🔗 SketchCow Oh yeah, you're the one
15:53 🔗 SketchCow Weren't you the one concerned Archive Team was a left-leaning organization?
15:53 🔗 Samizdat Probably.
15:53 🔗 SketchCow Also, call me Jason.
15:53 🔗 SketchCow My friends call me Sketch
15:54 🔗 SketchCow I got a bunch of laughs off your statement
15:55 🔗 SketchCow Anyway, Sanqui and Ryz had questions about Cloudflare thing good or bad, and I'm saying all my indications are from an internal point, good. If there's some evil inherent in the Cloudflare organization, I am not aware of it affecting IA any more than evil within a radio show being something affecting our radio archive.
15:59 🔗 SketchCow So is this the future, Samizdat - can I expect a hilarious suggestion out of you every two weeks
16:12 🔗 JAA I mean, both statements can be true. Cloudflare can be terrible for the internet and still be a good source for IA/WBM.
16:25 🔗 SketchCow Correct
16:25 🔗 SketchCow Same with twitter
16:25 🔗 SketchCow Excellent source of URLs, with some filtering, absolutely destroying the fabric of society
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18:17 🔗 Samizdat t minus 5 h 13 m to tipoff of Asswhooppin' 2.0 in Flawida.
18:28 🔗 Frogging ?
18:30 🔗 Samizdat tipoff at the Lakers game
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21:47 🔗 Frogging guess I'd better finally connect to Hackint
21:50 🔗 superkuh I'm one of the "cloudflare bad" dudes and even I can't see how anything but good can come from getting URLs from them.
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22:30 🔗 Ryz I'm wondering if that means potential bypass of Cloudflare's Captcha stuff for the archiving operations here
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22:59 🔗 Jake I bet IA's bots probably get some sort of exemption? Or maybe they are put on the "good bot list" of CF? https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/360027519452-Understanding-Cloudflare-Bot-Management
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