#archiveteam 2011-07-14,Thu

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00:02 🔗 Coderjoe dashcloud: they weren't neccessarily all spam users. many of them were just users with no edits
00:03 🔗 Coderjoe (aside from the obvious "90328u4oj buy some crap" ones, that is)
00:06 🔗 dashcloud so no one else makes the same mistake I did, you should avoid Highpoint RAID cards unless you plan on running old Linux distros permanently- they provide unmaintained binary blobs only
00:07 🔗 chronomex aaaawesome
00:07 🔗 Coderjoe i avoid them ever since I bought a highpoint card and the system wouldn't even post with the card installed
00:08 🔗 dashcloud it's slightly better than that- you'll see the RAID controller correctly detected, and kernel shows /dev/sdb, but nothing else- no drive size or attach messages
00:08 🔗 dashcloud and there's this unknown IDE device right after the controller in lspci (which is apparently the important part of the card)
00:09 🔗 Coderjoe can you paste the two lines?
00:14 🔗 dashcloud give me about 5 minutes or so to re-add the card
00:24 🔗 dashcloud 2f:00.0 RAID bus controller: HighPoint Technologies, Inc. Device 0622 (rev 01)
00:24 🔗 dashcloud 2f:00.1 IDE interface: Device 1b4b:91a4 (rev 11)
00:25 🔗 dashcloud I'm running a comparatively old kernel, but a quick search of the 1b4b number reveals some very recent bug reports on the card not showing any drives
00:36 🔗 Coderjoe same card, separate subfunctions
03:20 🔗 atg Have any of you guys played with ceph as a filesystem?
09:04 🔗 SketchCow Back.
09:04 🔗 SketchCow It was a good birthday.
09:04 🔗 SketchCow Birthday girl is fighting cancer, so she had to cut out during it.
09:48 🔗 SketchCow http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/vegasproassist
11:59 🔗 SketchCow Can people help me with a wiki page for saving floppies?
11:59 🔗 SketchCow I'll do it, but if someone can check my stuff, it'll help.
12:05 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=File:Disks.jpg
12:45 🔗 Ymgve http://www.kryoflux.com/ seems like a good alternative
12:45 🔗 SketchCow I know.
12:45 🔗 SketchCow I have others.
12:45 🔗 SketchCow I'm just going to put them all up there.
12:45 🔗 Ymgve for my c64 collection I prefer to use native drives, though
12:47 🔗 SketchCow Well, bear in mind, Kryoflux is kind of insane.
13:47 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Rescuing_Floppy_Disks
13:54 🔗 SketchCow http://events.ccc.de/camp/2011/Fahrplan/track/Hacker%20Space%20Program/4551.en.html
14:03 🔗 Ymgve is camp smaller than the congress?
14:04 🔗 SketchCow Yes
15:13 🔗 SketchCow Huzzah, someone trying to school me on how to present myself to not be abrasive.
15:14 🔗 SketchCow Told HIM to fuck off
15:16 🔗 SketchCow Just discovered virtualdub is exporting out a 90gb per hour uncompressed stream
15:16 🔗 SketchCow Oh well
15:16 🔗 Ymgve isn't there stuff llike huffyuv that can help? or are you already using it?
15:17 🔗 Spirit_ huffpuff
15:28 🔗 SketchCow Oh, no worries, it's all fine.
16:02 🔗 Spirit_ great site http://virtuallyfun.superglobalmegacorp.com/
16:10 🔗 swebb1 Dude, I used to use Stacker! :)
17:23 🔗 Ymgve wow, http://virtuallyfun.superglobalmegacorp.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/stac-card.jpg
17:31 🔗 Cowering i'm so old.. i used to own a stacker card
19:31 🔗 SketchCow Ha ha
19:31 🔗 SketchCow By my estimate, I am being sent 2000 floppies
19:36 🔗 emijrp 2 GB.
19:38 🔗 spangle 2GB?
19:38 🔗 spangle wouldn't 2000floppies be 7GB?
19:38 🔗 spangle 3.5MB floppies
19:38 🔗 emijrp 5 1/4 floppies I guess.
19:40 🔗 spangle ah, i guessed the newer ones :P
19:41 🔗 SketchCow Most 5 1/4s are, like, 144k or thereabouts.
19:43 🔗 emijrp I have some 3 1/2 with my first tutorials.
19:43 🔗 emijrp From 2001-2.
19:44 🔗 emijrp I had hundreds of 5 1/4 which I give to a friend. And a Amstrad PC 1512.
19:44 🔗 emijrp Bad.
19:44 🔗 emijrp gave*
19:48 🔗 spangle I've never seen a 5 1/4
19:48 🔗 spangle got some 3 1/2s though
19:48 🔗 spangle yay youth :P
19:49 🔗 bbot_ pffft, 5 1/4
19:49 🔗 bbot_ real men use 8", 256kb, single sided floppies
19:50 🔗 emijrp OH YEAH?
19:50 🔗 emijrp DID YOU HEARD ABOUT THAT USENET ARCHIVIST? REAL MEN.
19:52 🔗 emijrp Ha, that pic of the guy next to the tapes is fun.
19:54 🔗 bbot_ unrelated: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/ipq54/the_author_of_dos_writes_about_ancient_technology/
19:54 🔗 bbot_ the best part about /r/programming is submitting stuff that is almost, but not quite, about programming
19:55 🔗 bbot_ that way you'll inspire lots of arguments in the commenting section
19:55 🔗 emijrp And trolling?
19:55 🔗 bbot_ heavens no
19:55 🔗 bbot_ I never troll
19:56 🔗 emijrp Thanks.
19:58 🔗 marceloan Hey alard, I can't connect to your server to continue sending the files!
19:58 🔗 marceloan "Connection timed out"
21:21 🔗 ersi So, is anyone here coming to Chaos Camp (in .de)?
21:23 🔗 SketchCow Nope.
21:24 🔗 bbot_ nah
21:32 🔗 ersi boo
21:32 🔗 ersi I'll be there
21:34 🔗 spangle have fun :P
21:45 🔗 spangle I'm so bad at using linux
22:32 🔗 spangle I can't even install apache right.
22:42 🔗 SketchCow The Google Hangout is strange.
23:15 🔗 bbot_ spangle: just download the setup.exe using internet explorer and double click on it, gosh
23:15 🔗 bbot_ don't forget to right click and "save as"
23:17 🔗 spangle bbot_: I've ben using linux for a couple years now, still can't use it well :P
23:17 🔗 spangle also, haven't used windows in a year or so
23:19 🔗 spangle currently having problems installing apache with a different http directory than default
23:25 🔗 mig5 what version/distro of linux
23:28 🔗 spangle arch linux
23:28 🔗 spangle I've been going through this https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/LAMP but stuff just isn't working
23:29 🔗 spangle I changed all the places that say /srv/http to say /home/dr-spangle/http
23:29 🔗 spangle and then the guide says "Do not forget to change the Deny from all line, otherwise you will get 403 error too. "
23:29 🔗 spangle what deny from all line? and what do I change it to?
23:29 🔗 mig5 if you aren't looking to set up a separate vitrualhost for your site, you should be able to edit the default one and change DocumentRoot and <Directory> tags to match the path you want
23:29 🔗 mig5 well, do you get a 403 error at all? if not, maybe you can ignore it
23:30 🔗 mig5 but usally Deny from / Allow from rules are inside the <Directory> tags
23:30 🔗 spangle I do get a 403 error
23:30 🔗 spangle http://81.178.143.10/ :(
23:31 🔗 mig5 ok
23:31 🔗 mig5 so grep the httpd.conf for 'Deny'
23:31 🔗 mig5 if you find a 'Deny from all' you probably want to change that to either 'Allow from all' if you want people to be able to reach your webserver other than you
23:32 🔗 mig5 it's rather uncommon to Deny all, out-of-the-box. That must be an arch thing perhaps.
23:32 🔗 spangle there's this bit:
23:33 🔗 spangle <Directory/> Options FollowSymLinks AllowOverride None Order deny,allow Deny from all </Directory>
23:33 🔗 mig5 ok
23:33 🔗 mig5 so that's the one, yep
23:33 🔗 mig5 it's saying 'don't let anyone view this' by default
23:33 🔗 mig5 if you want the public to see your site (i.e not just you), change 'Deny from all' to 'Allow from all'
23:33 🔗 mig5 and restart httpd
23:34 🔗 spangle I asked a friend about that bit and his was the same as mine
23:34 🔗 spangle changed and restarted, still 403
23:35 🔗 mig5 <Directory/> might need to be <Directory srv http />
23:35 🔗 mig5 have you put an index.html in /srv/http ?
23:35 🔗 mig5 if that is where you want to serve files, i mean
23:37 🔗 spangle there was another <Directory/> thing with the /srv/http in it, I changed that to /home/dr-spangle/http
23:37 🔗 mig5 oh right i misread where you wanted to serve stuff from
23:37 🔗 spangle I figured it would list the directory if there was no index, but added an index now, no change, still 403
23:38 🔗 mig5 check your /var/log/http/error.log or wherever apache says it's logging to
23:38 🔗 mig5 this can even be caused by permissions on directories/files, if the http user can't read it
23:38 🔗 mig5 the error log might give clues.
23:40 🔗 spangle [Fri Jul 15 00:34:00 2011] [error] [client 192.168.0.8] (13)Permission denied: access to / denied [Fri Jul 15 00:35:15 2011] [error] [client 59.167.182.161]
23:40 🔗 mig5 that's me :)
23:40 🔗 spangle ah, cool
23:41 🔗 spangle sthere's the same messages from me too
23:41 🔗 mig5 so I still think it's a 'Deny from' thing
23:42 🔗 mig5 maybe have a look at http://library.linode.com/lamp-guides/arch-linux
23:42 🔗 mig5 Linode's guides are usually pretty good
23:42 🔗 mig5 it looks like they use a <Directory/> tag in each vhost, maybe that is needed after all (without the /home/dr-spangle/http), but inside the VirtualHost
23:43 🔗 mig5 it might be easier for you to create a new <VirtualHost> like those guides rather than edit the default one
23:45 🔗 spangle hmmm
23:46 🔗 spangle in the "Prepare Apache for Virtual Hosting" section
23:46 🔗 spangle the first excerpt is saying it used to be /srv/http
23:46 🔗 spangle the second excerpt says it used to be /srv/httpd
23:46 🔗 mig5 maybe a typo - doesn't matter though
23:47 🔗 mig5 you are going to change it regardless
23:47 🔗 spangle their changes also change to /srv/http/default and /srv/httpd/default respectively
23:47 🔗 mig5 you are wanting to put it in /home/dr-spangle/http so either way you'll be changing those entries
23:48 🔗 spangle but that's for their default one isn't it?
23:48 🔗 spangle then the vhost goes where i want it
23:48 🔗 mig5 yeah. but i think if you are making another vhost, it doesn't really matter what the default one says
23:49 🔗 mig5 think of them as two isolated blocks of config that can define totally different paths and sites and even where to log to
23:50 🔗 spangle but shouldn't they say the same thing?
23:52 🔗 mig5 the default vhost should be consistent with itself, yes, but can be entirely different to what you want to put in a separate vhost
23:52 🔗 mig5 in linode's example they seem to be saying the default config is wrong and adjust the path to be httpd instead of http. but they don't actually put anything in there later, so maybe they're just being nitpicky
23:53 🔗 mig5 gah, they have made other mistakes in that guide..
23:54 🔗 mig5 they have documentroot's of /srv/www/example.com/public_html/ but later they mkdir /srv/httpd/example.com
23:54 🔗 mig5 so much for my statement of 'linode guides are pretty good' :)
23:54 🔗 spangle lol
23:55 🔗 spangle i think it's a case that all archlinux guides are confusing and go into too much detail in one paragraph, then not enough a paragraph later
23:56 🔗 spangle the force of archlinux guides being bad overpowers the forces of linode guides being good
23:56 🔗 mig5 haha
23:56 🔗 spangle ok, setting up the vhosts now, not an effing clue what i'm really doing :P
23:57 🔗 mig5 any reason you chose arch?
23:57 🔗 mig5 over say, debian, ubuntu etc, more traditional 'server' distros
23:57 🔗 mig5 (not that there's anything wrong with that :) )
23:57 🔗 spangle i used arch before
23:57 🔗 mig5 fair enough
23:57 🔗 spangle one of my friends used it and convinced me to
23:57 🔗 spangle but now i don't talk to him
23:57 🔗 mig5 yeah my junior sysadmin swears by it
23:58 🔗 spangle I really should use a different distro
23:59 🔗 spangle one I might have a fighting chance at using properly
23:59 🔗 mig5 if you get your virtualhost going it might be easier.
23:59 🔗 mig5 just a smaller block of config, easier to read
23:59 🔗 spangle i have no clue what i'm doing with this virtualhost thing, not sure what it is nor how it works
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