#archiveteam 2011-07-15,Fri

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00:00 πŸ”— mig5 a virtualhost defines a specific site
00:00 πŸ”— mig5 so it's like a copy of the default ocnfig but specific to say, foo.example.com
00:02 πŸ”— spangle ok
00:02 πŸ”— mig5 http://pastie.org/private/6rphsivbqzumf6zzjzhlg
00:02 πŸ”— mig5 so if you set your website's url (that resolves to your server's IP, if you have one) to ServerName (and ServerAlias which is optional)
00:02 πŸ”— mig5 and mkdir /home/dr-spangle/logs
00:03 πŸ”— mig5 that ought to Just Work (tm) :)
00:04 πŸ”— mig5 if you only intend on accessing your HTTP server via your IP as per http://81.178.143.10 , that might be trickier, as the default vhost will probably capture that request. unless you put 'ServerName 81.178.143.10' in your vhost
00:04 πŸ”— mig5 boy i must be confusing the crap out of you :)
00:04 πŸ”— spangle a bit
00:05 πŸ”— spangle going to have to configure my dr-spangle.is-a-geek.com dyndns thingy :/
00:11 πŸ”— spangle ok, apparently that's gone or something?
00:14 πŸ”— spangle ok
00:14 πŸ”— spangle got dr-spangle.dyndns.org
00:14 πŸ”— spangle changed all the stuff that said example.com to dr-spangle.dyndns.org on that vhosts config file
00:16 πŸ”— spangle and made the directories
00:16 πŸ”— spangle now i restart apache
00:16 πŸ”— spangle :: Starting Apache Web Server [BUSY] Warning: DocumentRoot [/etc/httpd/docs/dummy-host.example.com] does not exist Warning: DocumentRoot [/etc/httpd/docs/dummy-host2.example.com] does not exist [DONE]
00:17 πŸ”— mig5 /etc/httpd/docs ?
00:17 πŸ”— mig5 that doesn't look right as a DocumentRoot..
00:18 πŸ”— spangle it doesn't
00:21 πŸ”— spangle I don't have a clue what it's doing or why
00:21 πŸ”— mig5 dummy-host.example.com sounds like some example config file somewhere
00:21 πŸ”— spangle it does?
00:21 πŸ”— mig5 well, it doesn't sounds like something you wrote :)
00:21 πŸ”— mig5 especially since you don't recognise it
00:22 πŸ”— spangle /etc/httpd/docs sounds like it's documentation?
00:22 πŸ”— mig5 anyway, your site still gets a 403 at http://dr-spangle.dyndns.org
00:22 πŸ”— mig5 so i'm out of ideas.. possibly permissions issues. or pastebin the virtualhost config you made
00:24 πŸ”— spangle http://pastebin.com/7rzpPgJp
00:24 πŸ”— mig5 and do you have an index.html in /home/dr-spangle/http/ ?
00:25 πŸ”— spangle nope, but just put one there, no change
00:25 πŸ”— mig5 can you do `ls -al /home | grep dr-spangle`
00:25 πŸ”— mig5 i want to see the permissions on the home directory
00:26 πŸ”— spangle [dr-spangle@hallo-server http]$ ls -al /home | grep dr-spangle
00:26 πŸ”— spangle drwx------ 4 dr-spangle users 4096 Jul 15 01:02 dr-spangle
00:26 πŸ”— mig5 right
00:27 πŸ”— mig5 so there's the problem I think.
00:27 πŸ”— mig5 apache runs under a specific usre, usualy www-data or 'apache'
00:27 πŸ”— mig5 apoache is being told 'look inside this guy's home directory to server the files'
00:27 πŸ”— mig5 but the 700 permission on the home directory says 'only dr-spangle can go in here'
00:27 πŸ”— spangle ah, i think the user is called http, it told me to make a user called that
00:27 πŸ”— mig5 so apache goes 'well, can't see inside there, you're forbidden'
00:27 πŸ”— spangle how do i make the http user able to see in there?
00:28 πŸ”— mig5 chmod 755 /home/dr-spangle would do it. but it's chmod 700 as a security precaution so that only you (dr-spangle) can see stuff in there.
00:28 πŸ”— mig5 up to you if you want to remove that security.
00:28 πŸ”— mig5 that's probably why people put sites in /srv/httpd
00:28 πŸ”— mig5 which would be chmod 755 already but no user-sensitive files in there, just websites.
00:29 πŸ”— mig5 if you are the only one on the server, maybe you don't care as much, and can chmod 755 the home dir
00:29 πŸ”— mig5 also make sure the 'http' subdirectory in /home/dr-spangle is also chmod 755
00:29 πŸ”— spangle done
00:30 πŸ”— mig5 wow, still 403
00:30 πŸ”— mig5 what are the permissions on index.html
00:30 πŸ”— spangle just chmodded to 755
00:31 πŸ”— mig5 well, i'm totally out of ideas now :) this server's breaking all the rules that make sense
00:32 πŸ”— mig5 maybe that virtualhost config is being completely ignored, just too hard to tell.
00:34 πŸ”— spangle i hate this thing so much
00:34 πŸ”— spangle it worked fine before
00:34 πŸ”— spangle had over 550 days of uptime
00:34 πŸ”— spangle then my dad accidently unplugged it and it couldn't stay online for a day before kernel panicing
00:35 πŸ”— spangle so i reinstalled and can't set it back up :P
00:37 πŸ”— mig5 if you run 'apache2ctl -S' do you get anything other than 'command not found' ?
00:38 πŸ”— closure wow, it's possible to read current fidonet in a usenet news reader. who knew?
00:40 πŸ”— spangle command not found
00:41 πŸ”— mig5 hmm
00:47 πŸ”— spangle would it be best to just get another distro
00:50 πŸ”— mig5 try apachectl -S
00:50 πŸ”— * mig5 not used to arch..
00:51 πŸ”— spangle that command says things
00:51 πŸ”— spangle also, for some reason now, if i log into su, i get an error
00:51 πŸ”— spangle how is everything breaking
00:54 πŸ”— spangle ok, that command's output
00:54 πŸ”— spangle http://pastebin.com/pfA94hHn
00:56 πŸ”— mig5 right so that virtualhost you created earlier, I don't think it's even being included
00:56 πŸ”— mig5 i don't know what those dummy vhosts are, presumbably examples somewhere
00:56 πŸ”— mig5 you should put your virtualhost in /etc/httpd/conf/extra/httpd-vhosts.conf and maybe remove the other ones that are in there
00:56 πŸ”— mig5 and restart apache
00:57 πŸ”— mig5 don't know about your su error (you didn't say what the error was :) )
00:58 πŸ”— spangle I fixed the su error
00:58 πŸ”— spangle not sure what it was, but it's gone now
00:59 πŸ”— spangle ah...
00:59 πŸ”— spangle I'm a pillock methinks
01:00 πŸ”— spangle I put my vhost in /etc/httpd/conf/extra/httpd-vhosts-vhosts.conf, rather than /etc/httpd/conf/extra/httpd-vhosts.conf
01:02 πŸ”— spangle well now it works :P
01:02 πŸ”— spangle now i need to get php and mysql working
01:03 πŸ”— spangle oh, now it's not working
01:03 πŸ”— spangle ok, only works with an index.html there
01:03 πŸ”— spangle that's ok
01:03 πŸ”— mig5 works for me.
01:03 πŸ”— mig5 yeah
01:04 πŸ”— spangle ok, that's fine
01:14 πŸ”— spangle yay php working
01:14 πŸ”— spangle thanks massively for the help :)
01:16 πŸ”— spangle and gd working
01:23 πŸ”— spangle and mysql working
01:23 πŸ”— spangle yay
01:39 πŸ”— drspangle yay irssi
01:39 πŸ”— drspangle so much better than mibbit
02:04 πŸ”— drspangle please don't say i formatted this drive.. i can't mount it :/
02:06 πŸ”— drspangle i'm sure i wouldn't be so silly to format a drive i just backed up to.. would i?
02:11 πŸ”— dashcloud what does dmesg say?
02:11 πŸ”— dashcloud if so, testdrive is amazing at recovering stuff from drives
02:16 πŸ”— drspangle after trying mount -t ext2 /dev/sdb1 /ext_hdd and repeating that with ext3 and ext4, dmesg says this
02:16 πŸ”— drspangle [28853.233960] EXT4-fs (sdb1): VFS: Can't find ext4 filesystem
02:16 πŸ”— drspangle [28857.657225] EXT3-fs (sdb1): error: can't find ext3 filesystem on dev sdb1.
02:16 πŸ”— drspangle [28861.014069] EXT2-fs (sdb1): error: can't find an ext2 filesystem on dev sdb1.
02:17 πŸ”— drspangle is there a way to see what filesystems are on a device?
02:17 πŸ”— mig5 sudo fdisk -l
02:17 πŸ”— mig5 maybew
02:17 πŸ”— mig5 -w
02:18 πŸ”— mig5 maybe not
02:18 πŸ”— dashcloud I would highly recommend testdrive then
02:18 πŸ”— dashcloud it works for just this kind of thing
02:18 πŸ”— drspangle /dev/sdb1 2048 976773167 488385560 83 Linux
02:18 πŸ”— drspangle Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
02:19 πŸ”— drspangle from fdisk -l
02:21 πŸ”— dashcloud so is this a data drive only, or did it have system files on it?
02:21 πŸ”— drspangle it was data only
02:21 πŸ”— drspangle I copied over files i wanted to keep
02:21 πŸ”— drspangle mostly tarred
02:28 πŸ”— drspangle gah, i'm so useless at everything :P
02:29 πŸ”— dashcloud this is what you want: http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk
02:29 πŸ”— dashcloud (don't know why I kept calling it testdrive)
02:29 πŸ”— drspangle ah, that'll be why i couldn't find it on google
02:30 πŸ”— dashcloud it's a curses-style gui, so it'll work just fine in a console
02:31 πŸ”— drspangle ok, installed testdisk
02:32 πŸ”— drspangle ok, running it
02:34 πŸ”— drspangle not quite sure what i'm doing
02:34 πŸ”— dashcloud you want analyse, and then quick search
02:35 πŸ”— dashcloud hopefully you see your partition listed there
02:35 πŸ”— dashcloud if you do, press down until you get to it
02:35 πŸ”— dashcloud then press P to list the files it sees
02:37 πŸ”— drspangle yay
02:37 πŸ”— drspangle it's copying the files now
02:37 πŸ”— drspangle thank you :)
02:37 πŸ”— dashcloud glad to hear it worked
02:38 πŸ”— drspangle so does that mean i formatted it after backing up onto it? just checking how stupid i am here
02:38 πŸ”— dashcloud if you saw a D next to your partition number, the answer is most likely
02:38 πŸ”— dashcloud there's an excellent explanation of all the menus on their website
02:38 πŸ”— drspangle why would i do that
02:39 πŸ”— dashcloud if you have a burning desire for more knowledge, you might- otherwise, don't worry and be happy
02:40 πŸ”— drspangle thanks for helping
02:41 πŸ”— drspangle how do i even manage to leave the house with this level of stupidity
02:42 πŸ”— drspangle i had better get to sleep while this thing recovers data
02:42 πŸ”— dashcloud don't worry- I can share your pain here
02:42 πŸ”— dashcloud I managed to recover the data, and then decided to try to fix the drive, which had some minor corruption when I started
02:44 πŸ”— dashcloud after following a guide from an enterprise distro's site on a similar issue, there wasn't anything left (the man page all but said here be dragons for that option)
02:55 πŸ”— drspangle ouch
03:07 πŸ”— drspangle night all
05:24 πŸ”— SketchCow http://apple.copydesk.org/uploads/2011/02/110203GlouchestershireHeadline.jpg
05:36 πŸ”— RedType brb attending a girls' school
05:37 πŸ”— SketchCow afk getting there before you
05:38 πŸ”— SketchCow OK, shooting for fucking inbox zero tonight.
05:39 πŸ”— yipdw SketchCow: does Zero know?
05:40 πŸ”— SketchCow Zero's gonna learn
05:40 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Rescuing_Floppy_Disks needs another round.
05:41 πŸ”— yipdw that reminds me -- I've got a bunch of Bernoulli disks at my parents' house
05:42 πŸ”— yipdw no idea if they're still readable, but it'd be fun to try to get the drives to talk to a modern machine
05:43 πŸ”— SketchCow Yeah, gotta work on that.
08:37 πŸ”— chronomex http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/ipnci/iamthe_servier_engineering_lead_at_foursquare_ask/c25rb0g "At foursquare we very much believe that it's not our data, but your data. We're just temporary custodians, and we have a responsibility to make it as easy as possible for you to pull that data back out in a usable format should you ever choose to do so."
08:37 πŸ”— chronomex they seem to expose it reasonably well, fwiw
08:38 πŸ”— SketchCow I am desperately on the inbox zero thing.
08:38 πŸ”— chronomex how is it going?
08:38 πŸ”— SketchCow Down to 40 from today's high of 80
08:38 πŸ”— SketchCow The floppy thing was what destroyed it. :)
08:38 πŸ”— chronomex nice
08:39 πŸ”— chronomex I've been at inbox 40 for a while, it's a typical high for me.
08:39 πŸ”— chronomex I was at 3 a month or two ago
08:39 πŸ”— chronomex those 3 are still there.
08:40 πŸ”— SketchCow Yeah, it's when it's action items.
08:40 πŸ”— chronomex two are finding and mailing things, the other is updating the signature on my voter registration
08:42 πŸ”— SketchCow Oldest one: August 2010
08:43 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm going to start moving friendster stuff to final staging home.
08:43 πŸ”— SketchCow Going after things from bottom to top, starting to build our sets.
08:43 πŸ”— SketchCow Fie to the people who would combine two different ranges as one set, by the way.
08:46 πŸ”— chronomex yeah you win on oldest one. I've got an email thread going where we each wait 2+ years before replying
08:46 πŸ”— chronomex started in 2004.
08:46 πŸ”— chronomex but it's the other guy's turn now
08:55 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm now in the process of finding doubles with the google video.
08:55 πŸ”— SketchCow I.e. stuff archive.org already has
08:55 πŸ”— SketchCow Keeping our metadata, of course.
09:29 πŸ”— Coderjoe the kryoflux (and related software) can recover data that would normally be unreadable, due to such things a media rotation jitter
10:15 πŸ”— SketchCow Holding fast at 40!
10:15 πŸ”— SketchCow People are mailing me!
10:29 πŸ”— SketchCow Yep, now the system is borked.
10:29 πŸ”— SketchCow I am deleting 17,000 twitter join messages the cat got recently.
13:07 πŸ”— db48x SketchCow: heh
13:11 πŸ”— SketchCow Down to 38 mails.
13:11 πŸ”— SketchCow Which is yeah, not much since 4 hours ago, but I just fought off a bunch of incoming mail
13:11 πŸ”— SketchCow It's a torrent
13:13 πŸ”— SketchCow Some of this is "please write us an article" or "please fill this out" or "I have sent you a pile of files"
13:22 πŸ”— Ymgve and once in a while "I have sent you several crates of documents"
13:23 πŸ”— db48x I bet your daily email volume is on the upswing too
13:23 πŸ”— db48x SketchCow: btw, I need to do some uploads
13:42 πŸ”— SketchCow You have a slot, you know.
13:43 πŸ”— Spirit_ actually, i am a guy
13:45 πŸ”— Spirit_ aww, mail bounced back for http://artifacts.textfiles.com/+44/Innocent%20BBS/BBS%20Ad%202.txt :(
13:49 πŸ”— Ymgve freeserve doesn't exist anymore apparently
13:50 πŸ”— Ymgve oh wait, it does, but neither http://freeserve.co.uk/ nor http://www.freeserve.co.uk/ works
13:56 πŸ”— SketchCow http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Rescuing_Floppy_Disks is coming along.
14:03 πŸ”— ersi Thumbs up
14:13 πŸ”— SketchCow 31!
14:26 πŸ”— ersi Go go!
14:30 πŸ”— ersi http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2011/07/study-why-bother-to-remember-when-you-can-just-use-google.ars
14:31 πŸ”— ersi "The results from all four experiments suggest that people expect computerized information to be continuously available, and actually remember less when they know theyҀ™ll have access to it later. We also seem to remember where we can find information instead of the information itself."
14:34 πŸ”— drspangle *bookmarks study*
14:34 πŸ”— drspangle wait, what did it say again?
14:34 πŸ”— drspangle :P
14:54 πŸ”— ersi Don't worry, you'll know where to find it!
14:54 πŸ”— ersi :P
14:59 πŸ”— ersi mmh, it's neat using liveweb.archive.org at stuff I read and find like something that should be saved
15:01 πŸ”— ersi wonder if they get a lot of new material this way
15:01 πŸ”— ersi into the Wayback machine, that is
17:48 πŸ”— Paradoks http://blogs.loc.gov/digitalpreservation/2011/07/it-takes-a-village%E2%80%A6to-archive-the-internet/
17:48 πŸ”— Paradoks I can't say the article is especially useful, but I enjoyed the title:
17:48 πŸ”— Paradoks It Takes a Village...to Archive the Internet
18:49 πŸ”— emijrp man, i have been thinking how add links on Wikipedia to all the info and docs of Internet Archive
18:50 πŸ”— emijrp (un)fortunately, wikipedia is on the top results, and adding links to IA can boost visits
18:51 πŸ”— emijrp of course, on IA there is zillions of ideas for new Wikipedia articles
18:51 πŸ”— emijrp it is win-win
18:52 πŸ”— ersi Wikipedia doesn't like the IA all that much
18:52 πŸ”— ersi just so you know
18:53 πŸ”— Zebranky Of course not. IA doesn't delete things.
18:53 πŸ”— DFJustin LOL
18:54 πŸ”— emijrp n1.
20:17 πŸ”— emijrp SketchCow: nemo_bis is uploading wikidumps to IA http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22wikiteam%22 , are you going to add them to archive team collection? http://www.archive.org/details/archiveteam
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