#archiveteam 2011-08-10,Wed

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00:00 🔗 SketchCow Archives get a boost, I guess
00:02 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archive.org/details/vd_is_for_everybody
00:13 🔗 dashcloud it sounds like the hardest part is remembering to actually blog that day- you do enough interesting stuff already that the twitter part doesn't sound too hard
00:33 🔗 db48x heh
00:33 🔗 SketchCow FUCK YEAH FORUM.NOS.ORG
00:33 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archive.org/details/forum.nos.org-2007
00:34 🔗 dashcloud does anyone else have a strategy for working with ext-formatted external drives that actually works for more than one computer?
00:35 🔗 db48x automount wfm
00:36 🔗 db48x but perhaps you meant more than one OS
00:36 🔗 dashcloud does automount also handle drives that are attached by eSATA?
00:39 🔗 dashcloud thanks for the help guys- I got it working again
00:43 🔗 db48x probably
00:43 🔗 db48x I don't actually have any eSATA
00:44 🔗 db48x exit
00:44 🔗 db48x hrmph
00:45 🔗 db48x bbl
01:08 🔗 jch german beers are HUGE
01:14 🔗 SketchCow Yes indeed
01:16 🔗 jch I'm going to bed because I fucking want to
01:27 🔗 chronomex thats what it means to be a grownup
01:56 🔗 db48xOthe hmm
01:56 🔗 db48xOthe this tarball is tarring 77 kilobytes per second
01:56 🔗 db48xOthe which is suboptimal
01:57 🔗 chronomex zillions of small files?
01:57 🔗 db48xOthe 100,000 friendster profiles, so yea
01:58 🔗 chronomex ah
01:58 🔗 db48xOthe and this filesystem has never been tuned to ensure adequate performace at 90+% full
02:02 🔗 dashcloud here's an awesome archiving-related story: http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/08/accuracy-takes-power-one-mans-3ghz-quest-to-build-a-perfect-snes-emulator.ars
02:17 🔗 chronomex neato
02:19 🔗 SketchCow I kind of don't believe him
02:19 🔗 SketchCow You realize that, right
02:19 🔗 SketchCow What he's saying, is kind of not true
02:22 🔗 dashcloud what part don't you believe?
02:23 🔗 db48xOthe that accuracy necessarily requires more cpu cycles
02:23 🔗 dashcloud well, he does address the FPGA idea people bring up- but says it's not really practical, as only a handful would be able to use it
02:24 🔗 dashcloud in the comments anyway
02:27 🔗 dashcloud otherwise, I'm not terribly well-versed in this area, so I'd love to hear your thoughts
02:28 🔗 SketchCow I have to go take underscor on a whirlwind tour of the worst aspects of SF
02:28 🔗 chronomex i havent read it closey yet, but i think he's at least mostly on target.
02:28 🔗 chronomex SketchCow: remember the photo!
02:28 🔗 SketchCow Which photo
02:31 🔗 undersco2 SketchCow: The worst aspects?
02:31 🔗 undersco2 Oh goodie
02:31 🔗 undersco2 BTW, you should upload those awesome photos of my shirt tonight ;)
02:36 🔗 chronomex yes, that photo
02:36 🔗 chronomex i demanded it personally
04:24 🔗 Wyatt Oh, are we talking about Byuu's BSNES?
04:24 🔗 chronomex yeah
04:24 🔗 Wyatt Now that I look, that was three hours ago.
04:24 🔗 chronomex but not a lot has happened since then
04:25 🔗 Wyatt Yeah, that eats CPU time like a mofo, and he says it's not really intended for people to actually use.
04:25 🔗 chronomex that doesn't sound like what he says exactly
04:26 🔗 Wyatt Well his stance as far as I recall was something along the lines of "No sane person would use this/it's for research and improving other stuff"
04:26 🔗 chronomex that's kind of what I read
04:27 🔗 atgeek But now that we have computers that can actually run it, one might as well use it
04:27 🔗 chronomex I saw something more like "less-accurate emulators have their place, but their place is for less-powerful computers that need to take shortcuts"
04:29 🔗 Wyatt He is right that it's a deceptively difficult piece of hardware to emulate.
04:35 🔗 chronomex all hardware is difficult to emulate perfectly
04:36 🔗 chronomex not all hardware has extant software that depends on every last quirk, though :)
04:40 🔗 Wyatt True. But the 2A03 of the NES is a lot less esoteric than the 5A22/PPU/SPC700. SNES has some pretty odd methods for addressing memory, for one.
04:41 🔗 Wyatt And I think there were a lot of idiosyncrasies in when and how you could push things between the various processors.
04:45 🔗 chronomex what are these, chip names?
04:45 🔗 chronomex I've actually never used either a NES or SNES, I think
04:51 🔗 Wyatt Oh, 2A03 (modified 6502) is the NES, basically. That's the CPU and Audio processor. The PPU is necessarily pretty simple.
05:07 🔗 chronomex ah
05:36 🔗 ndurner chronomex: not the actual postings, just associated stuff like group pages and group file attachments
05:36 🔗 chronomex oh.
05:36 🔗 chronomex :(
05:36 🔗 chronomex but that's metadata, which is important in its own right
05:37 🔗 ndurner yes, definitely a good first step
05:44 🔗 NovaKing http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2011/08/accuracy-takes-power-one-mans-3ghz-quest-to-build-a-perfect-snes-emulator.ars
05:44 🔗 NovaKing when did i get opd?
05:45 🔗 chronomex dunno
05:46 🔗 chronomex I can fix it if you don't like it though
05:48 🔗 NovaKing tis ok, i can do it myself ;)
05:49 🔗 DFJustin SketchCow: byuu knows whereof he speaks
05:50 🔗 DFJustin but the paragraph about a 1:1 relationship between accuracy and speed is a little silly
05:56 🔗 DFJustin he's been very helpful in contributing info and code to the MESS project but we're still nowhere near his level of SNES accuracy
05:56 🔗 chronomex best practices question for turning pathnames into filenames: replace / with :, _, -, ' ', what?
05:56 🔗 chronomex currently using a : but I think _ might be better
05:56 🔗 chronomex (this is to create a torrent of symbian.org)
05:58 🔗 DFJustin windows doesn't allow :
05:59 🔗 chronomex yeah, that's why I'm looking to change it
05:59 🔗 chronomex the pathname components are all [A-Za-z0-9] so any non-alnum character should work
05:59 🔗 chronomex I'm soliciting opinions
06:00 🔗 chronomex - _ , . are probably the safest choices
06:01 🔗 DFJustin I usually see _
06:02 🔗 chronomex I think , looks best, but _ is pretty standard
06:56 🔗 * chronomex making symbian torrent
07:09 🔗 chronomex oops, can't use _ because it's used already
07:09 🔗 chronomex using , instaed
07:45 🔗 chronomex http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Nokia-denies-Symbian-distancing-claims-742925.html
07:45 🔗 chronomex lying motherfuckers
08:02 🔗 NovaKing http://www.ollydbg.de/Paperbak/index.html
08:14 🔗 Spirit_ http://www.doomworld.com/vb/everything-else/56482-vgmusic-com-30k-midi-collection/
08:16 🔗 chronomex http://youtube.com/watch?v=ytXK4mN0Lcw
08:49 🔗 chronomex bbot_: I'm making up a torrent of what I have from symbian.org. mind giving me tips, and help getting it on thepiratebay?
08:50 🔗 chronomex I'll go to bed now but I'll be around tomorrow.
12:29 🔗 Spirit_ http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2011/Aug/76
12:34 🔗 Spirit_ dear god, the engrish
12:59 🔗 bbot_ chronomex: for the E2 torrent I created a tar file on the linux machine that did the downloading, to avoid the various comical case issues of the Geocities torrent
13:00 🔗 bbot_ then I copied it to my home windows machine and seeded it from there, rather than fight with my VPS host's AUP on torrenting
13:01 🔗 bbot_ adding a torrent to TPB is dead simple; SketchCow has the password for the AT username
13:03 🔗 bbot_ and then someone or another here runs their own tracker, which you should at to the torrent's tracker list, since any tracker associated with the TPB will die fairly often; let me scroll up
13:03 🔗 Cameron_D Just double- and triple-check before you hit upload for the torrent, you can't edit it as I found out with the "New of the World Archive"
13:05 🔗 Spirit_ share the .torrent file here first and have people start
13:11 🔗 bbot_ http://explodie.org/opentracker.html Aranje's tracker
14:54 🔗 db48xOthe / should be replaced with %7F
14:54 🔗 db48xOthe urlencode
14:59 🔗 db48xOthe it's the only thing thats unambiguous
15:04 🔗 Coderjoe / is 2F. 7F is delete
15:05 🔗 db48xOthe 2F, right
15:11 🔗 Coderjoe huh. there are several trackers running on google app engine
15:12 🔗 Coderjoe i remember running across one several months to a year ago
15:12 🔗 Coderjoe it had no torrents being tracked, though
15:12 🔗 db48xOthe alard: I think there's a bug; it keeps telling me that it can't open the CDX file
15:12 🔗 db48xOthe alard: even though I'm not using the cdx option
15:13 🔗 db48xOthe alard: gotta go to work now, but I'll take a look at the code when I get there
15:22 🔗 alard db48xOthe: Okay, maybe I'll have a look too. (Haven't tried the CDX option that often.)
15:22 🔗 alard The reception on the Wget mailinglist looks promising, by the way.
15:31 🔗 Aranje Heh, you guys are more than welcome to use my tracker for tracking data. It ain't going down any time soon.
15:38 🔗 ersi jch: where you at @ camp?
16:21 🔗 jch ersi: in the telecomix bus right now
16:21 🔗 jch i just slept for one and a half hours, i'm still a bit groggy
16:22 🔗 ersi jch: nice, I'm at eth0 (red huge tent) right now
16:25 🔗 jch let's hook up later.
16:26 🔗 ersi sure thing
16:26 🔗 jch i need to wake up somewhat
16:27 🔗 ersi gonna go at a talk at 21
16:27 🔗 ersi either r0ket or "the blackbox in your phone"
16:56 🔗 chronomex bbot_: thanks. what software package sdo you recommend to create the actual .torrent file?
16:57 🔗 bbot_ I used utorrent, but that's windows only
16:57 🔗 chronomex ah
16:57 🔗 bbot_ there's various CLI programs to make torrent files, never used any of them
16:57 🔗 bbot_ rtorrent won't make torrent files, iirc
16:58 🔗 chronomex data's presently sitting on a headless linux box
17:00 🔗 chronomex ok
17:10 🔗 underscor mktorrent is good
17:10 🔗 chronomex cool beans
17:10 🔗 underscor Just make sure to specify a piece size, cause the default is tiny
17:10 🔗 underscor (which will give you a torrent that's like 25MB for 100GB of files
17:10 🔗 underscor )
17:10 🔗 underscor a bigger piece size*
17:10 🔗 chronomex ha ok
17:11 🔗 underscor Bask in the awesome that is the live catalog viewer I just finished: http://home.archive.org/~abuie/index2.php
17:12 🔗 underscor Try reordering columns by dragging, or hiding them by clicking the x's
17:12 🔗 chronomex kinda hard to use on my telephone ;)
17:13 🔗 underscor haha
17:13 🔗 underscor Oops, that's why it wasn't working
17:13 🔗 underscor Helps if you save it, hahahaha
17:14 🔗 db48x underscor: nifty
17:18 🔗 underscor db48x: Thanks! :)
17:26 🔗 db48x alard: I guess opt.warc_cdx_dedup_filename must be a pointer to an empty string
17:27 🔗 db48x it'd help if the error messages included the filename
17:37 🔗 Aranje mktorrent is a good cli utility, a 4mb piece size is good for larger files.
17:38 🔗 Aranje But, irrelevant of filesize, if there are tons of individual files, the .torrent will be huge
17:43 🔗 chronomex yeah.
18:01 🔗 jch Heh, I know the author of mktorrent
18:02 🔗 Aranje Heh, sweet.
18:02 🔗 alard db48x: Strange, it works for me. I've made the error CDX messages a bit more detailed.
18:06 🔗 db48x cool
18:08 🔗 SketchCow BACK
18:10 🔗 chronomex HI
18:10 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, sorry for bolting, had to truck this teenager all over SF
18:10 🔗 SketchCow Had to stop at EVERY fucking ice cream place
18:11 🔗 chronomex jfc really
18:11 🔗 SketchCow We pass it and he just starts screaming
18:15 🔗 Aranje lol wat
18:15 🔗 Aranje O.o
18:16 🔗 SketchCow MINT CHOCOLATE CHIP
18:16 🔗 SketchCow It's like crack to him
18:16 🔗 chronomex dude that shit's good
18:17 🔗 yipdw was this teenager underscor
18:18 🔗 Aranje Yeah I support mint chocolate chip as well
18:18 🔗 Aranje He probably just needs weened off it
18:19 🔗 SketchCow http://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/6029961520/in/photostream
18:19 🔗 SketchCow http://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/6029961254/in/photostream/
18:19 🔗 SketchCow http://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/6029407581/in/photostream/
18:20 🔗 yipdw haha
18:20 🔗 yipdw nice shirt
18:20 🔗 chronomex mmmm, nosebridge
18:21 🔗 yipdw actually, speaking of which
18:21 🔗 yipdw underscor: that dashboard you linked takes up the entire width of my 2560x1600 screen
18:21 🔗 yipdw and then some
18:23 🔗 bbot_ yipdw: buy more monitors
18:23 🔗 yipdw I think
18:23 🔗 yipdw I would, but the Macbook Pro I have here only has one monitor output
18:23 🔗 yipdw I'm not sure if Thunderbolt can run multiple 30" displays
18:23 🔗 bbot_ haw, laptops
18:23 🔗 chronomex http://youtube.com/watch?v=ytXK4mN0Lcw motherfucking liar
18:23 🔗 Aranje lol
18:23 🔗 jch YO
18:23 🔗 chronomex also twitchy guy
18:23 🔗 jch ersi: do you happen to have a CD-R or two at the camp?
18:24 🔗 jch i need to flash my bios
18:24 🔗 chronomex you need a floppy disk
18:24 🔗 jch Nope
18:24 🔗 db48x 2 CDs should hold a bios
18:24 🔗 jch Seeing as I just downloaded a CD image ;)
18:25 🔗 yipdw the 1.4 GB BIOS image
18:25 🔗 chronomex ah yeah that
18:25 🔗 Aranje Jesus what
18:25 🔗 Aranje when has a bios not been like 4 megs
18:26 🔗 yipdw I was joking
18:26 🔗 db48x "Insert Disc 2 to continue..."
18:26 🔗 yipdw (hopefully)
18:26 🔗 Aranje >_>
18:26 🔗 yipdw maybe Gigabyte will release a custom BIOS
18:28 🔗 chronomex one can only hope
18:31 🔗 Aranje I would love to see a law in some random country that forces manufacturers that wish to sell motherboards there to release bios sources for every mobo delivered to that country under something like the WTFPL
18:31 🔗 chronomex yes, please
18:31 🔗 Aranje that would be the sex
18:32 🔗 db48x bios source code is apparently hideous
18:33 🔗 emijrp lulululululululu
18:33 🔗 chronomex db48x: that's a shock
18:33 🔗 db48x to hear the openbios guys tell it, the bios companies apparently don't use version control
18:33 🔗 Aranje oof
18:33 🔗 db48x yea
18:34 🔗 Aranje no wonder they always release 7 revisions after they ship the mobo
18:34 🔗 db48x no, it's a wonder that they can release 7 upgrades after they ship
18:36 🔗 db48x with no version control, they aparently just have a glob of source code for every motherboard they've shipped
18:39 🔗 yipdw I'd believe it
18:39 🔗 yipdw a friend of mine used to work for a hardware design company who thought that CVS was awesome
18:39 🔗 yipdw (this was in 2008)
18:40 🔗 db48x heh
18:40 🔗 Wyatt Hmm, maybe it's time to back up The Escapist?
18:41 🔗 yipdw are they going under?
18:41 🔗 Wyatt Sounds like they're hitting some tough times.
18:41 🔗 yipdw I call dibs on Zero Punctuation
18:41 🔗 Wyatt At the very least, I'm not sure some of their shows are to stick around.
18:42 🔗 Wyatt Extra Credits has bailed; that much seems certain.
18:42 🔗 db48x will wget suffice?
18:42 🔗 Wyatt Something about not getting paid. There's a lot of smoke and the situation is still developin.
18:43 🔗 Wyatt It could be that in the end it's all a bunch of BS and smoke, and the mysterious "investors" will keep it afloat.
18:43 🔗 db48x heh
18:44 🔗 Wyatt But if nothing else, the content creators are getting antsy and not getting paid, it seems
18:44 🔗 Wyatt Seemed watchlist worthy
18:44 🔗 db48x let's just do it
18:44 🔗 db48x see if wget will work
18:45 🔗 Wyatt Flash video content?
18:45 🔗 Wyatt HTML articles and...I forget what forum software.
18:45 🔗 yipdw yes
18:45 🔗 yipdw wget should work
18:45 🔗 bbot_ I subscribe to the blog of the guy who wrote the article on anonymous which attracted the attention of lulzsec
18:45 🔗 bbot_ he hasn't written anything for the escapist since
18:46 🔗 yipdw they use flowplayer, which has a common use case of "feed it an MP4"
18:46 🔗 yipdw Yahtzee's Portal 2 review can be found at http://video2.themis-media.com/4e30d1405aaa74b9ec40f0d773689a97/mp4/escapist/zero-punctuation/10376e4be7715e77ec969da1f05533db.mp4, for example
18:46 🔗 yipdw I don't think there's a way to derive the URL of a video given an Escapist URL without (say) loading the thing into a browser, but they are at least MP4s
18:47 🔗 db48x how does flowplayer get the url?
18:47 🔗 chronomex let me take a look at this
18:47 🔗 Wyatt Ah. Maybe that get_flash_videos script would work?
18:47 🔗 chronomex url to a webpage?
18:47 🔗 yipdw db48x: not yet sure. I was just watching Firebug's Net panel
18:47 🔗 db48x heh
18:48 🔗 yipdw oh
18:48 🔗 yipdw there's a config flashvar
18:48 🔗 yipdw in the Portal 2 example, the URL is http://www.themis-media.com/videos/config/3153-e6f6554ce6eae0b626d1f966574eaa57.js%3Fplayer_version%3D2.5%26playerId%3Dplayer_api%26host%3Descapistmagazine.com
18:48 🔗 yipdw so FlowPlayer gets a URL to a JSON object, which it deserializes and loads
18:48 🔗 yipdw that JSON contains a playlist
18:48 🔗 chronomex yep, looks like
18:49 🔗 yipdw what a fucking needless indirection
18:49 🔗 yipdw whatever
18:50 🔗 db48x will wget see the url to the json file?
18:50 🔗 yipdw yes, it's part of the page's HTML
18:50 🔗 yipdw so you could regex it out or some such
18:51 🔗 yipdw actually, wtf
18:51 🔗 yipdw oh nm
18:52 🔗 yipdw I forgot that the standard method of embedding Flash videos involves embedding it in 86 quadrillion different ways
18:52 🔗 db48x yea :(
18:52 🔗 yipdw but you can just grab object/param[name="flashvars"] and grep config=(.+)$
18:58 🔗 Wyatt I guess I just never scroll to the bottom of the page. This is really the first I've heard of these "Themis Media" sods.
19:03 🔗 bbot_ lol themis media
19:03 🔗 bbot_ aren't they part of that other content mill
19:44 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archive.org/details/llink-20110624 now up.
19:54 🔗 Spirit_ oh god yes please some add escapist support to get_flash_videos :)
20:06 🔗 Aranje What's the best firefox addon for backing up youtube videos
20:07 🔗 Spirit_ no idea, i highly recommend get_flash_videos (normal download might be broken at the moment)
20:08 🔗 Wyatt I've never convinced an extension to work.
20:08 🔗 Wyatt Not for that, at least.
20:08 🔗 Aranje is get_flash_videos a script or something?
20:08 🔗 Spirit_ yes, perl
20:08 🔗 Aranje I've just found a documentary I'd love to make sure I have a copy of
20:09 🔗 Spirit_ http://code.google.com/p/get-flash-videos/
20:09 🔗 Aranje thank you <3
20:09 🔗 Wyatt Ever since they moved the video cache from /tmp to the browser cache gfv has been my life-saver
20:09 🔗 Wyatt And video saver, for that matter.
20:09 🔗 Wyatt (Though I have no idea why it hoses my terminal every time I use it.)
20:10 🔗 Spirit_ get_flash_videos? it does that for me too, i always have to reset to see my input again
20:10 🔗 Spirit_ ah, "gfv", yes
20:10 🔗 Wyatt Haha, yes, that very behaviour.
20:11 🔗 Wyatt Oh right, I aliased my preferred parameters to pfv and gfv. I use it fairly frequently.
20:11 🔗 Spirit_ i have yd for gfv
20:11 🔗 Spirit_ yd ctrl-shift-v is easy
20:12 🔗 Spirit_ alias yd="cd ~/ramdisk/ && get_flash_videos -p "
20:13 🔗 underscor Aranje: I use http://www.downloadhelper.net/
20:15 🔗 Aranje thanks, underscor
20:21 🔗 DFJustin I usually use youtube-dl from the command line but for other websites the net tab on the firebug extension will let you grab pretty much anything fetched from flash
20:25 🔗 chronomex I have a shellscript that wraps youtube-dl. it uses mplayer, caches videos locally, and pauses whatever music I'm playing
20:25 🔗 chronomex that sort of thing
20:25 🔗 PepsiMax I've seen the first torrent got launched?!
20:25 🔗 PepsiMax nice!
20:26 🔗 PepsiMax welp, moving to #urlteam
20:28 🔗 SketchCow Those guys get the nice towels
20:31 🔗 chronomex wtf are you talking about
20:32 🔗 Wyatt urlteams's towels, evidently. They get the nice ones. (Or so I hear.)
20:32 🔗 chronomex um, okay
20:53 🔗 underscor hahah chronomex
21:36 🔗 Aranje I wonder how far emijrp has progressed with pulling down jamendo

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