#archiveteam 2011-08-23,Tue

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00:57 πŸ”— SketchCow Adding another Friendster range!
00:58 πŸ”— DFJustin Also In This Issue: Does Your Computer Need A Cassette Recorder?
01:09 πŸ”— chronomex yes!
01:09 πŸ”— drspangl1 dashcloud: that's pretty cool, i seem to recall in one of the rama series books by arthur c clarke (set in 2061 or so i think) they had made charging extra for long distance or international calls illegal worldwide :P
01:21 πŸ”— dashcloud the actual documentary is supposed to be on the 13th of September on Create (one of the new PBS channels since the digital switchover)
03:06 πŸ”— Coderjoe geh
03:07 πŸ”— Coderjoe i need to find some network I can access with much more upstream bandwidth
03:08 πŸ”— SketchCow Mine is completely terrible
03:08 πŸ”— SketchCow normally, not an issue, but now I'm jamming things down from local drives.
03:08 πŸ”— Coderjoe so shipping a drive to you would not be an improvement
03:09 πŸ”— SketchCow Well, yes, it would be.
03:09 πŸ”— SketchCow I can take items and bring them to better bandwidth locations.
03:10 πŸ”— underscor I can always upload too
03:10 πŸ”— * underscor waves his 40mbps
03:10 πŸ”— underscor :D
03:15 πŸ”— Coderjoe i'd been considering colocating a box in a datacenter in detroit. not sur if I should go for the 10Mbps unmetered port or the 100Mbps metered port with 2T of transfer (same price)
03:16 πŸ”— Coderjoe but being located in detroit, I could drive over there and hotswap drives to bring data in or out
03:27 πŸ”— db48xOthe 2TB isn't all that much
03:27 πŸ”— db48xOthe not when it's spread out over a month
03:27 πŸ”— db48xOthe 10Mbps for a month is about 3 TB
04:27 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.archive.org/details/FRIENDSTER-001000000
04:28 πŸ”— SketchCow Etc etc.
04:29 πŸ”— chronomex ah, so that's what all the zeros are for ...
06:02 πŸ”— SketchCow http://twitter.com/#!/meldanger/status/105873536463282176
06:02 πŸ”— SketchCow http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/3233
06:02 πŸ”— SketchCow So there we go. Announcement.
06:03 πŸ”— jch yawn
06:04 πŸ”— jch I like the Bagger 328 analogy
06:05 πŸ”— SketchCow BAGGER 288 BAGGER 288
06:07 πŸ”— SketchCow http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/dannychoo_com_main_article_feed_eng/~3/X1iD-GNC0GE/Gamers.html
06:07 πŸ”— chronomex With luck, Archive Team got it, but thereҀ™s no promise of that, and the form we have it in will be like finding out someone burned your place down (that metaphor again!) and Archive Team has a generic cardboard refugee box that we jammed some percentage of your stuff into and stuck into a massive shelf.
06:07 πŸ”— chronomex that's a pretty apt comparison
06:10 πŸ”— SketchCow That's why I'm mascot
06:10 πŸ”— chronomex mhm
06:18 πŸ”— * SketchCow is listening to a Digital Humanities Plenary so you don't have to.
06:18 πŸ”— SketchCow I believe this is the one where Matt shows the archive team logo and the room flips out
06:21 πŸ”— chronomex now I'm kind of curious
06:21 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.vimeo.com/28006483 is the talk.
06:21 πŸ”— SketchCow Feel free, but I warn you, it's very archivist-humanities oriented
06:22 πŸ”— chronomex hmk
06:25 πŸ”— jch is it worth looking through for nearly an hour
06:26 πŸ”— chronomex doubtful
06:30 πŸ”— SketchCow Oh, if it's not your subject, no way.
06:31 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm certainly working on boring things while listening to it.
06:31 πŸ”— chronomex so like double bore
06:31 πŸ”— SketchCow He's going over some examples of the state of preservation.
06:31 πŸ”— SketchCow They're proud of a collection they have of a hypertext pioneer, and talk a lot about that process.
06:31 πŸ”— chronomex hmm.
06:33 πŸ”— ersi Haha, archive this: http://cuteboyswithcats.net/
06:34 πŸ”— SketchCow http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/sockington-20100228-170731.jpg
06:34 πŸ”— ersi Mail'em and see if it gets up there ;D
06:34 πŸ”— chronomex <3
06:35 πŸ”— ersi Haha, oh gosh
06:35 πŸ”— ersi Rathergood is rather good
06:36 πŸ”— SketchCow As a bonus, Matt is reading verbatim from pre-written statements.
06:40 πŸ”— chronomex Holly: "I've got to admit it, I flamingoed up." Rimmer: "What?" Holly: "Well it's like a cock-up, only much much bigger."
06:40 πŸ”— ersi Holy moly
06:41 πŸ”— ersi SketchCow: you've been busy! *reads blogpost nr 2*
06:42 πŸ”— ersi Uh, august 16? The frack is up with my google reader :| It thinks it was posted today
06:42 πŸ”— SketchCow It's me.
06:42 πŸ”— SketchCow I change dates
06:42 πŸ”— ersi Confusing, like a boss!
06:42 πŸ”— SketchCow All three went up today
06:45 πŸ”— SketchCow Archive Team gets mention at minute 43:00
06:46 πŸ”— SketchCow I just learned about http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/02/international-amateur-scanning.html
06:47 πŸ”— chronomex sweet
06:47 πŸ”— chronomex I wonder if they'll get any volunteers to do anything
06:52 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=User:Jscott
06:52 πŸ”— SketchCow Spiffing this up.
06:57 πŸ”— ersi SketchCow: You should change your title of ASCII or just add the slogan "Pissing people off since 1977" somewhere - quite catchy :)
07:00 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.roughneckbbs.com/msgs/msg.ssjs?msg_sub=0n-bbs&message=1120
07:00 πŸ”— ersi Hah!
07:05 πŸ”— ersi Man, fuck those Slashdot webdevs
07:06 πŸ”— ersi I want my damned middle click button to OPEN A TAB, NOT EXPAND EVERYTHING
07:06 πŸ”— jch CUBICLE DOCUMENTARY: http://youtube.com/user/cubicledoc
07:07 πŸ”— ersi Oh man jch, that's depressing
07:07 πŸ”— jch heh
07:08 πŸ”— ersi Whoa
07:08 πŸ”— ersi That's a big lady
07:08 πŸ”— jch I'm gonna watch it if they start to sell it in an euro-friendly manner
07:08 πŸ”— jch dvds, streaming passes, etc
07:09 πŸ”— ersi Is it done? Ready for release etc?
07:09 πŸ”— jch no no
07:13 πŸ”— SketchCow I forgot about this thing.
07:13 πŸ”— SketchCow This insight/web browsable fidonet echo collection
07:13 πŸ”— ersi Oh yeah, the Fidonet pull
07:13 πŸ”— SketchCow There's this guy, he's had this weird Jason Hate going for, oh, YEARS.
07:14 πŸ”— perfinion hahah preservation of service attack
07:16 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.roughneckbbs.com/msgs/msg.ssjs?msg_sub=0n-bbs&message=2657
07:16 πŸ”— SketchCow Seriously. Years and years
07:19 πŸ”— jch Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h93Q_RruQJY
07:19 πŸ”— jch people falling in love with bridges, towers, other construction
07:23 πŸ”— ersi I like the Swede who loves Die Mauer
07:23 πŸ”— ersi and has renamed so her last name is Mauer :D
07:25 πŸ”— ersi jch: http://www.berlinermauer.se/
07:31 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=User:Jscott has some links to my audio now.
07:31 πŸ”— SketchCow Eventually, the defcon stuff will go up.
07:36 πŸ”— jch I don't understand .
07:47 πŸ”— ersi http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/sha/2549849730.html
07:47 πŸ”— ersi There's someone who knows how to market himself :)
07:48 πŸ”— chronomex yep
08:11 πŸ”— SketchCow Adding in the descriptions for the Compute! Gazette issues.
08:13 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.archive.org/details/1984-06-computegazette&reCache=1
08:13 πŸ”— SketchCow makes a HUGE difference.
12:17 πŸ”— Jofo heh, I'd like to see if my friendster account was actually saved
12:18 πŸ”— Jofo but I don't know if I should be downloading a gig worth of friendster accounts to my work computer to do this :3
12:24 πŸ”— ersi Hm.
12:25 πŸ”— ersi I bet one could arrange for something niftier possibly, like a file list of the uncompressed one mil first accounts or something
12:25 πŸ”— Schbirid 0000001
12:25 πŸ”— Schbirid 00000002
12:25 πŸ”— Schbirid ;)
14:27 πŸ”— alard I just wrote a Friendster indexer. It extracts a tar file, looks for the profile.html for each profile, extracts some meta data (profile id, user name, location) and writes those to a text file.
14:28 πŸ”— alard So if there's anyone with a lot of spare bandwidth (and/or a bit of patience), here's the script: https://gist.github.com/96d1f5dc2d90495916e0
14:28 πŸ”— alard Perhaps (SketchCow?) it's nice to run this for every item, just to make things a little bit more accessible.
14:35 πŸ”— db48xOthe running it
14:41 πŸ”— alard Cool.
16:00 πŸ”— closure huh, someone duped me on friendster 1300000-1400000 and has already uploaded it.. wonder if I should bother tryingto upload it too (17gb)
16:11 πŸ”— db48x2 closure: yea, might as well
16:13 πŸ”— ersi closure: maybe you got missing pieces etc etc
16:16 πŸ”— db48x2 alard: slight problem
16:16 πŸ”— db48x2 % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current
16:16 πŸ”— db48x2 71 2323M 71 1665M 0 0 6146k 0 0:06:27 0:04:37 0:01:50 6092k
16:16 πŸ”— db48x2 Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed
16:16 πŸ”— db48x2 Indexing /download/FRIENDSTER-000000000/friendster.000023000-000240000.tar.gz
16:16 πŸ”— db48x2 curl: (23) Failed writing body (2136 != 16384)
16:32 πŸ”— db48x2 I guess it could rerun itself if there was an error
16:33 πŸ”— db48x2 you'd get duplicates in the index, but that's better than missing entries
16:33 πŸ”— db48x2 and sort -u would easily remove them
16:51 πŸ”— alard db48x2: Good idea, I updated the script. https://gist.github.com/96d1f5dc2d90495916e0
16:51 πŸ”— alard It will now retry the file until it finishes without an error.
16:52 πŸ”— alard (It prints its output to a temporary file, by the way, so it starts with a clean file when it retries.)
16:52 πŸ”— db48x2 oh, that's true
16:53 πŸ”— db48x2 had forgotten about that
16:53 πŸ”— db48x2 ah, your solution is better
16:53 πŸ”— db48x2 mine just has bff-rolodex.sh call itself on failure
17:30 πŸ”— SketchCow I definitely believe you should give me copies of what you downloaded
17:30 πŸ”— SketchCow Remember, we sometimes have different versions, different times, etc.
17:30 πŸ”— SketchCow We re-grabbed all the time as the script got better.
17:32 πŸ”— closure ok, is there some place I can rsync to?
17:32 πŸ”— closure I may not be able to upload all of it today
17:35 πŸ”— DFJustin wow apparently these guys still make 5.25 disks, or at least were doing so as recently as 2006 http://www.athana.com/html/diskette.html
17:56 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.archive.org/details/compute-gazette tah dah!!!
18:01 πŸ”— db48x2 cool
18:15 πŸ”— chronomex im speaking here with John Maxfield, an inventor of the bluebox
18:15 πŸ”— chronomex handle was "cablepair", he was a prolific informant
18:16 πŸ”— SketchCow Yes
18:17 πŸ”— chronomex he's sitting on a ton of artifacts but wants to write a book before he releases anything
18:18 πŸ”— SketchCow Yes
18:18 πŸ”— SketchCow John has traditionally been in it for John
18:18 πŸ”— chronomex talks a lot
18:18 πŸ”— chronomex heh, sounds like
18:18 πŸ”— SketchCow We have a history, don't mention you're talking to me.
18:19 πŸ”— chronomex didn't
18:19 πŸ”— SketchCow Goood
18:19 πŸ”— chronomex care to elaborate?
18:20 πŸ”— SketchCow Not here.
18:20 πŸ”— SketchCow Working on stuff, anyway.
18:20 πŸ”— chronomex ok
18:22 πŸ”— DFJustin the link to atarimagazines.com on http://www.archive.org/details/compute-gazette is busted (needs an http://)
18:23 πŸ”— SketchCow Fixed, thanks for the catch.
19:09 πŸ”— SketchCow MakerBot just got $10 million in VC funding.
19:13 πŸ”— db48x2 awesome
19:13 πŸ”— DFJustin when do we start archiving objects
19:19 πŸ”— db48x2 people already do 3D scanning of art
19:20 πŸ”— db48x2 but actually archiving them requires a detailed knowledge of their interiors, not just their surfaces
19:47 πŸ”— SketchCow http://jmckinley.posterous.com/dc-earthquake-devastation
19:47 πŸ”— SketchCow I definitely think, for example, Thingiverse should be archived.
19:49 πŸ”— SketchCow http://twitter.com/#!/blowoutcomb/status/106069991232778240/photo/1
20:01 πŸ”— Soojin Maybe something for someone here http://www.democracynow.org/about/jobs#archivist
20:39 πŸ”— SketchCow You know, it's funny, but few pro archivists or people seeking archiving as a job are here.
20:46 πŸ”— ersi Meh, don't think I'd want to be an pro-archivist
20:46 πŸ”— SketchCow Me either
20:46 πŸ”— ersi would probably not have time to save random crap from random burning buildings
20:46 πŸ”— SketchCow Exactly.
20:46 πŸ”— ersi not that I have that now, but still!
20:46 πŸ”— SketchCow This is kind of why archivists like archive team, they're generally amazed at the freedom
20:47 πŸ”— ersi sorta like you don't get to work on PET_SOFTWARE_PROJECT when becoming a Software Engineer/Code wizz bang guy
20:47 πŸ”— ersi yeah, we just fucking kick ass and don't care what's thought about who
20:57 πŸ”— jch Wonder: does cloud storage pricing scale to archiveteam use
20:57 πŸ”— jch tarsnap for example
20:57 πŸ”— jch it would be a nice way for non-techies to support us
20:57 πŸ”— jch here, have $50 for your tarsnap account
20:58 πŸ”— jch or whatever is cheapest
20:59 πŸ”— db48x2 hmm
20:59 πŸ”— jch we might be able to team up with one of the cool ones, e.g. spideroak
20:59 πŸ”— db48x2 300 picodollars per byte is $300 per terabyte
21:00 πŸ”— db48x2 much cheaper to buy hard drives
21:00 πŸ”— db48x2 buying and shipping a 2TB harddrive is quite cheap in comparison
21:00 πŸ”— jch hard drives are not available *now*
21:00 πŸ”— jch then consider spideroak
21:01 πŸ”— jch they give 50% off for students. we might get a deal like that if we played our cards right
21:01 πŸ”— jch hypothetically
21:01 πŸ”— db48x2 harddrives are available on quite short notice
21:02 πŸ”— db48x2 spideroak is $200 for 2TB
21:02 πŸ”— db48x2 $170 if priced by the year
21:03 πŸ”— db48x2 50% off would be pretty good though
21:03 πŸ”— jch mh
21:03 πŸ”— jch cloud storage is smart because it is redundant
21:03 πŸ”— db48x2 well, it's advertised as being redundant
21:03 πŸ”— jch which is pretty awesome.
21:03 πŸ”— jch case: tarsnap
21:04 πŸ”— jch read their infrastructure docs ;)
21:04 πŸ”— jch case: spideroak
21:04 πŸ”— Coderjoe iirc, tarsnap uses s3
21:04 πŸ”— jch no data has ever been lost by them, it would be fatal to their business to lose a single byte
21:04 πŸ”— Coderjoe and s3 says they're not responsible for lost data, iirc
21:05 πŸ”— jch no no, but they can withstand the loss of two fucking datacenters
21:05 πŸ”— jch that's redundancy for you
21:05 πŸ”— jch of course if we had wikileaks stuff on our hands, stuff might disappear. but we don't
21:05 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.archive.org/details/911
21:05 πŸ”— SketchCow have at guys, my treat.
21:06 πŸ”— Coderjoe s3 has a "reduced redundancy" option for lower cost. and iirc, your data is still within a single region, unless you spend more to send and store it in multiple regions
21:06 πŸ”— SketchCow That's going to break wide in a few days.
21:06 πŸ”— db48x2 s3 is $270 for 2TB
21:07 πŸ”— jch look at wikileaks trolling
21:07 πŸ”— closure s3 has a documented percentage loss, yearly (whether they really lose it is another matter, but 100% is not guaranteed)
21:07 πŸ”— jch db48x2: a year?
21:07 πŸ”— Coderjoe db48x2: right. and tarsnap marks that up to 600 (to cover other costs, like ec2, and make a profit)
21:08 πŸ”— db48x2 jch: per month
21:08 πŸ”— jch would make sense to roll our own system actually
21:08 πŸ”— db48x2 oh, plus $122 to transfer data out of s3
21:08 πŸ”— db48x2 jch: indeed
21:08 πŸ”— jch a case for archivebox!
21:09 πŸ”— jch a project i hsould get back to, btw
21:10 πŸ”— db48x2 SketchCow: nifty
21:25 πŸ”— alard A Thingiverse-thingy: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/scrapy-thingy
21:26 πŸ”— alard (Just playing with it.)
21:28 πŸ”— jch jesus wikileaks are getting on my nerves
21:28 πŸ”— Wyatt Why?
21:30 πŸ”— jch Because they assume ownership of leaks that whistleblowers trust them
21:32 πŸ”— jch They hoard stuff, haven't released a single thing in more than a year (correct me if i'm wrong here), julian assange is a bad leader, etc etc etc
21:32 πŸ”— jch how did they even manage to lose that trove of data to daniel schmidt
21:33 πŸ”— Wyatt Looks like their last release was 04-25?
21:33 πŸ”— jch all they do is tease, tease, tease
21:33 πŸ”— jch i stand corrected, then
21:33 πŸ”— SketchCow I can't wait to see your Wikileaks
21:34 πŸ”— * SketchCow waiting
21:34 πŸ”— jch when did I say I was gonna make one?
21:34 πŸ”— Wyatt And there's the daily trickle of calbes, too.
21:34 πŸ”— jch Their cause is noble and all.
21:34 πŸ”— SketchCow Can I just point out the obvious?
21:34 πŸ”— Wyatt (Though they could totally do with letting those out faster)
21:35 πŸ”— SketchCow You're whining like a girl who just realized they only gave her three oysters instead of four.
21:35 πŸ”— SketchCow I can hear your pearls jangling
21:35 πŸ”— jch yeah, sure.
21:36 πŸ”— SketchCow I think a drooling retard could figure out at this juncture that Wikileaks had a problematic top-heavy single-person-directed organization, and now that the leader's under court control and threat, the various other aspects are crumbling under the weight ofscruitiny and pressure.
21:36 πŸ”— jch mhmm?
21:36 πŸ”— SketchCow It's like going to a car that the US shot all the tires out of and going "man, they haven't driven a single fucking mile"
21:38 πŸ”— jch Also, the wording is vague
21:38 πŸ”— SketchCow I mean, keep whining away and second guess armchair quarterback att you want; I see a lot of that in the demoscene.
21:39 πŸ”— jch It's pretty obvious that they want to stay on top of the game, leak-wise
21:39 πŸ”— SketchCow Surely there must be a channel of other nodding armchar quarterbakcs like yourself you can dump all this into.
21:39 πŸ”— jch threatened by openleaks they start the FUD
21:39 πŸ”— SketchCow Personally, I could give less of a shit about that in context of archive team.
21:40 πŸ”— SketchCow Speaking of which, what are you doing for archive team these days?
21:40 πŸ”— jch ...
21:40 πŸ”— * chronomex lights a fire
21:41 πŸ”— SketchCow Don't privmesg me
21:41 πŸ”— SketchCow Just take the fucking hint and focus on our projects instead of second guessing wikileaks
21:42 πŸ”— SketchCow Because I don't need constant reminder of how little I like you
21:42 πŸ”— SketchCow And I'd rather our skills work on useful projects that do the world good
21:42 πŸ”— SketchCow at the same time
21:43 πŸ”— jch heh
21:43 πŸ”— jch i'm glad that we can disagree and still keep a sober tone on irc.
22:22 πŸ”— db48xOthe only two more files left to index
22:22 πŸ”— db48xOthe plus redoing the one that failed three-quarters through
22:29 πŸ”— jch Hm. EFnet server problems.
22:30 πŸ”— jch Am I ping timeouted?
22:30 πŸ”— db48xOthe *** jch (~s072467@gray1.gbar.dtu.dk) has quit: Read error: No route to host
22:30 πŸ”— jch Strange. Oh well.
22:31 πŸ”— Wyatt Huh, never realised Audacity doesn't have a built-in DeEsser.
22:32 πŸ”— ryan___ i am happy to note that tomorrow i will have sonic dsl, which is uncapped 40 meg dsl
22:32 πŸ”— ryan___ and i can uplaod the remaining 1tb of yahoo videos
22:33 πŸ”— Wyatt Hooray!
22:34 πŸ”— Wyatt Oh yeah, anyone in central Ohio, if you need things uploaded, seek me out; I seem to be capable of this now.
22:35 πŸ”— Wyatt (On that note, SketchCow, looks like this will be a decent weekend for my uploading activities. Will you have a slot for me on Friday or Saturday night?)
22:35 πŸ”— db48xOthe Wyatt: deesser?
22:36 πŸ”— SketchCow Yes
22:36 πŸ”— Wyatt db48xOthe: Selective compression to remove the harshness of sibilants and high-end flute performances.
22:36 πŸ”— illunatic http://blog.greenpirate.org/top-ten-ignorant-comments-made-by-pirates/
22:37 πŸ”— Wyatt Oh, and violins. Those can get pretty painful.
22:37 πŸ”— db48xOthe ahh
22:37 πŸ”— SketchCow Hurrah, I finished the antic uploads.
22:37 πŸ”— SketchCow http://t.co/QjjQRcU
22:38 πŸ”— db48xOthe if you don't mind my asking, why do you find sibilants painful?
22:38 πŸ”— SketchCow hahaha, number 7 is the nobel prize of retard
22:38 πŸ”— SketchCow stoner logic
22:39 πŸ”— Wyatt db48xOthe: It's not that they're painful. It's just one of those steps we can take to clean our rough cuts during mastering.
22:40 πŸ”— illunatic lol
22:40 πŸ”— db48xOthe ah
22:42 πŸ”— Wyatt Well, that, and it helps make audio more understandable when it was recorded in unfavourable conditions and other things. Even just a couple sounds in a row can use cleanup.
23:42 πŸ”— Wyatt I wish google (or even any search engine; I can't imagine most-if-any do) supported the "foo -*bar" construction.
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