[00:57] Adding another Friendster range! [00:58] Also In This Issue: Does Your Computer Need A Cassette Recorder? [01:09] yes! [01:09] dashcloud: that's pretty cool, i seem to recall in one of the rama series books by arthur c clarke (set in 2061 or so i think) they had made charging extra for long distance or international calls illegal worldwide :P [01:21] the actual documentary is supposed to be on the 13th of September on Create (one of the new PBS channels since the digital switchover) [03:06] geh [03:07] i need to find some network I can access with much more upstream bandwidth [03:08] Mine is completely terrible [03:08] normally, not an issue, but now I'm jamming things down from local drives. [03:08] so shipping a drive to you would not be an improvement [03:09] Well, yes, it would be. [03:09] I can take items and bring them to better bandwidth locations. [03:10] I can always upload too [03:10] * underscor waves his 40mbps [03:10] :D [03:15] i'd been considering colocating a box in a datacenter in detroit. not sur if I should go for the 10Mbps unmetered port or the 100Mbps metered port with 2T of transfer (same price) [03:16] but being located in detroit, I could drive over there and hotswap drives to bring data in or out [03:27] 2TB isn't all that much [03:27] not when it's spread out over a month [03:27] 10Mbps for a month is about 3 TB [04:27] http://www.archive.org/details/FRIENDSTER-001000000 [04:28] Etc etc. [04:29] ah, so that's what all the zeros are for ... [06:02] http://twitter.com/#!/meldanger/status/105873536463282176 [06:02] http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/3233 [06:02] So there we go. Announcement. [06:03] yawn [06:04] I like the Bagger 328 analogy [06:05] BAGGER 288 BAGGER 288 [06:07] http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/dannychoo_com_main_article_feed_eng/~3/X1iD-GNC0GE/Gamers.html [06:07] With luck, Archive Team got it, but thereâs no promise of that, and the form we have it in will be like finding out someone burned your place down (that metaphor again!) and Archive Team has a generic cardboard refugee box that we jammed some percentage of your stuff into and stuck into a massive shelf. [06:07] that's a pretty apt comparison [06:10] That's why I'm mascot [06:10] mhm [06:18] * SketchCow is listening to a Digital Humanities Plenary so you don't have to. [06:18] I believe this is the one where Matt shows the archive team logo and the room flips out [06:21] now I'm kind of curious [06:21] http://www.vimeo.com/28006483 is the talk. [06:21] Feel free, but I warn you, it's very archivist-humanities oriented [06:22] hmk [06:25] is it worth looking through for nearly an hour [06:26] doubtful [06:30] Oh, if it's not your subject, no way. [06:31] I'm certainly working on boring things while listening to it. [06:31] so like double bore [06:31] He's going over some examples of the state of preservation. [06:31] They're proud of a collection they have of a hypertext pioneer, and talk a lot about that process. [06:31] hmm. [06:33] Haha, archive this: http://cuteboyswithcats.net/ [06:34] http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/sockington-20100228-170731.jpg [06:34] Mail'em and see if it gets up there ;D [06:34] <3 [06:35] Haha, oh gosh [06:35] Rathergood is rather good [06:36] As a bonus, Matt is reading verbatim from pre-written statements. [06:40] Holly: "I've got to admit it, I flamingoed up." Rimmer: "What?" Holly: "Well it's like a cock-up, only much much bigger." [06:40] Holy moly [06:41] SketchCow: you've been busy! *reads blogpost nr 2* [06:42] Uh, august 16? The frack is up with my google reader :| It thinks it was posted today [06:42] It's me. [06:42] I change dates [06:42] Confusing, like a boss! [06:42] All three went up today [06:45] Archive Team gets mention at minute 43:00 [06:46] I just learned about http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/02/international-amateur-scanning.html [06:47] sweet [06:47] I wonder if they'll get any volunteers to do anything [06:52] http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=User:Jscott [06:52] Spiffing this up. [06:57] SketchCow: You should change your title of ASCII or just add the slogan "Pissing people off since 1977" somewhere - quite catchy :) [07:00] http://www.roughneckbbs.com/msgs/msg.ssjs?msg_sub=0n-bbs&message=1120 [07:00] Hah! [07:05] Man, fuck those Slashdot webdevs [07:06] I want my damned middle click button to OPEN A TAB, NOT EXPAND EVERYTHING [07:06] CUBICLE DOCUMENTARY: http://youtube.com/user/cubicledoc [07:07] Oh man jch, that's depressing [07:07] heh [07:08] Whoa [07:08] That's a big lady [07:08] I'm gonna watch it if they start to sell it in an euro-friendly manner [07:08] dvds, streaming passes, etc [07:09] Is it done? Ready for release etc? [07:09] no no [07:13] I forgot about this thing. [07:13] This insight/web browsable fidonet echo collection [07:13] Oh yeah, the Fidonet pull [07:13] There's this guy, he's had this weird Jason Hate going for, oh, YEARS. [07:14] hahah preservation of service attack [07:16] http://www.roughneckbbs.com/msgs/msg.ssjs?msg_sub=0n-bbs&message=2657 [07:16] Seriously. Years and years [07:19] Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h93Q_RruQJY [07:19] people falling in love with bridges, towers, other construction [07:23] I like the Swede who loves Die Mauer [07:23] and has renamed so her last name is Mauer :D [07:25] jch: http://www.berlinermauer.se/ [07:31] http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=User:Jscott has some links to my audio now. [07:31] Eventually, the defcon stuff will go up. [07:36] I don't understand . [07:47] http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/sha/2549849730.html [07:47] There's someone who knows how to market himself :) [07:48] yep [08:11] Adding in the descriptions for the Compute! Gazette issues. [08:13] http://www.archive.org/details/1984-06-computegazette&reCache=1 [08:13] makes a HUGE difference. [12:17] heh, I'd like to see if my friendster account was actually saved [12:18] but I don't know if I should be downloading a gig worth of friendster accounts to my work computer to do this :3 [12:24] Hm. [12:25] I bet one could arrange for something niftier possibly, like a file list of the uncompressed one mil first accounts or something [12:25] 0000001 [12:25] 00000002 [12:25] ;) [14:27] I just wrote a Friendster indexer. It extracts a tar file, looks for the profile.html for each profile, extracts some meta data (profile id, user name, location) and writes those to a text file. [14:28] So if there's anyone with a lot of spare bandwidth (and/or a bit of patience), here's the script: https://gist.github.com/96d1f5dc2d90495916e0 [14:28] Perhaps (SketchCow?) it's nice to run this for every item, just to make things a little bit more accessible. [14:35] running it [14:41] Cool. [16:00] huh, someone duped me on friendster 1300000-1400000 and has already uploaded it.. wonder if I should bother tryingto upload it too (17gb) [16:11] closure: yea, might as well [16:13] closure: maybe you got missing pieces etc etc [16:16] alard: slight problem [16:16] % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current [16:16] 71 2323M 71 1665M 0 0 6146k 0 0:06:27 0:04:37 0:01:50 6092k [16:16] Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed [16:16] Indexing /download/FRIENDSTER-000000000/friendster.000023000-000240000.tar.gz [16:16] curl: (23) Failed writing body (2136 != 16384) [16:32] I guess it could rerun itself if there was an error [16:33] you'd get duplicates in the index, but that's better than missing entries [16:33] and sort -u would easily remove them [16:51] db48x2: Good idea, I updated the script. https://gist.github.com/96d1f5dc2d90495916e0 [16:51] It will now retry the file until it finishes without an error. [16:52] (It prints its output to a temporary file, by the way, so it starts with a clean file when it retries.) [16:52] oh, that's true [16:53] had forgotten about that [16:53] ah, your solution is better [16:53] mine just has bff-rolodex.sh call itself on failure [17:30] I definitely believe you should give me copies of what you downloaded [17:30] Remember, we sometimes have different versions, different times, etc. [17:30] We re-grabbed all the time as the script got better. [17:32] ok, is there some place I can rsync to? [17:32] I may not be able to upload all of it today [17:35] wow apparently these guys still make 5.25 disks, or at least were doing so as recently as 2006 http://www.athana.com/html/diskette.html [17:56] http://www.archive.org/details/compute-gazette tah dah!!! [18:01] cool [18:15] im speaking here with John Maxfield, an inventor of the bluebox [18:15] handle was "cablepair", he was a prolific informant [18:16] Yes [18:17] he's sitting on a ton of artifacts but wants to write a book before he releases anything [18:18] Yes [18:18] John has traditionally been in it for John [18:18] talks a lot [18:18] heh, sounds like [18:18] We have a history, don't mention you're talking to me. [18:19] didn't [18:19] Goood [18:19] care to elaborate? [18:20] Not here. [18:20] Working on stuff, anyway. [18:20] ok [18:22] the link to atarimagazines.com on http://www.archive.org/details/compute-gazette is busted (needs an http://) [18:23] Fixed, thanks for the catch. [19:09] MakerBot just got $10 million in VC funding. [19:13] awesome [19:13] when do we start archiving objects [19:19] people already do 3D scanning of art [19:20] but actually archiving them requires a detailed knowledge of their interiors, not just their surfaces [19:47] http://jmckinley.posterous.com/dc-earthquake-devastation [19:47] I definitely think, for example, Thingiverse should be archived. [19:49] http://twitter.com/#!/blowoutcomb/status/106069991232778240/photo/1 [20:01] Maybe something for someone here http://www.democracynow.org/about/jobs#archivist [20:39] You know, it's funny, but few pro archivists or people seeking archiving as a job are here. [20:46] Meh, don't think I'd want to be an pro-archivist [20:46] Me either [20:46] would probably not have time to save random crap from random burning buildings [20:46] Exactly. [20:46] not that I have that now, but still! [20:46] This is kind of why archivists like archive team, they're generally amazed at the freedom [20:47] sorta like you don't get to work on PET_SOFTWARE_PROJECT when becoming a Software Engineer/Code wizz bang guy [20:47] yeah, we just fucking kick ass and don't care what's thought about who [20:57] Wonder: does cloud storage pricing scale to archiveteam use [20:57] tarsnap for example [20:57] it would be a nice way for non-techies to support us [20:57] here, have $50 for your tarsnap account [20:58] or whatever is cheapest [20:59] hmm [20:59] we might be able to team up with one of the cool ones, e.g. spideroak [20:59] 300 picodollars per byte is $300 per terabyte [21:00] much cheaper to buy hard drives [21:00] buying and shipping a 2TB harddrive is quite cheap in comparison [21:00] hard drives are not available *now* [21:00] then consider spideroak [21:01] they give 50% off for students. we might get a deal like that if we played our cards right [21:01] hypothetically [21:01] harddrives are available on quite short notice [21:02] spideroak is $200 for 2TB [21:02] $170 if priced by the year [21:03] 50% off would be pretty good though [21:03] mh [21:03] cloud storage is smart because it is redundant [21:03] well, it's advertised as being redundant [21:03] which is pretty awesome. [21:03] case: tarsnap [21:04] read their infrastructure docs ;) [21:04] case: spideroak [21:04] iirc, tarsnap uses s3 [21:04] no data has ever been lost by them, it would be fatal to their business to lose a single byte [21:04] and s3 says they're not responsible for lost data, iirc [21:05] no no, but they can withstand the loss of two fucking datacenters [21:05] that's redundancy for you [21:05] of course if we had wikileaks stuff on our hands, stuff might disappear. but we don't [21:05] http://www.archive.org/details/911 [21:05] have at guys, my treat. [21:06] s3 has a "reduced redundancy" option for lower cost. and iirc, your data is still within a single region, unless you spend more to send and store it in multiple regions [21:06] That's going to break wide in a few days. [21:06] s3 is $270 for 2TB [21:07] look at wikileaks trolling [21:07] s3 has a documented percentage loss, yearly (whether they really lose it is another matter, but 100% is not guaranteed) [21:07] db48x2: a year? [21:07] db48x2: right. and tarsnap marks that up to 600 (to cover other costs, like ec2, and make a profit) [21:08] jch: per month [21:08] would make sense to roll our own system actually [21:08] oh, plus $122 to transfer data out of s3 [21:08] jch: indeed [21:08] a case for archivebox! [21:09] a project i hsould get back to, btw [21:10] SketchCow: nifty [21:25] A Thingiverse-thingy: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/scrapy-thingy [21:26] (Just playing with it.) [21:28] jesus wikileaks are getting on my nerves [21:28] Why? [21:30] Because they assume ownership of leaks that whistleblowers trust them [21:32] They hoard stuff, haven't released a single thing in more than a year (correct me if i'm wrong here), julian assange is a bad leader, etc etc etc [21:32] how did they even manage to lose that trove of data to daniel schmidt [21:33] Looks like their last release was 04-25? [21:33] all they do is tease, tease, tease [21:33] i stand corrected, then [21:33] I can't wait to see your Wikileaks [21:34] * SketchCow waiting [21:34] when did I say I was gonna make one? [21:34] And there's the daily trickle of calbes, too. [21:34] Their cause is noble and all. [21:34] Can I just point out the obvious? [21:34] (Though they could totally do with letting those out faster) [21:35] You're whining like a girl who just realized they only gave her three oysters instead of four. [21:35] I can hear your pearls jangling [21:35] yeah, sure. [21:36] I think a drooling retard could figure out at this juncture that Wikileaks had a problematic top-heavy single-person-directed organization, and now that the leader's under court control and threat, the various other aspects are crumbling under the weight ofscruitiny and pressure. [21:36] mhmm? [21:36] It's like going to a car that the US shot all the tires out of and going "man, they haven't driven a single fucking mile" [21:38] Also, the wording is vague [21:38] I mean, keep whining away and second guess armchair quarterback att you want; I see a lot of that in the demoscene. [21:39] It's pretty obvious that they want to stay on top of the game, leak-wise [21:39] Surely there must be a channel of other nodding armchar quarterbakcs like yourself you can dump all this into. [21:39] threatened by openleaks they start the FUD [21:39] Personally, I could give less of a shit about that in context of archive team. [21:40] Speaking of which, what are you doing for archive team these days? [21:40] ... [21:40] * chronomex lights a fire [21:41] Don't privmesg me [21:41] Just take the fucking hint and focus on our projects instead of second guessing wikileaks [21:42] Because I don't need constant reminder of how little I like you [21:42] And I'd rather our skills work on useful projects that do the world good [21:42] at the same time [21:43] heh [21:43] i'm glad that we can disagree and still keep a sober tone on irc. [22:22] only two more files left to index [22:22] plus redoing the one that failed three-quarters through [22:29] Hm. EFnet server problems. [22:30] Am I ping timeouted? [22:30] *** jch (~s072467@gray1.gbar.dtu.dk) has quit: Read error: No route to host [22:30] Strange. Oh well. [22:31] Huh, never realised Audacity doesn't have a built-in DeEsser. [22:32] i am happy to note that tomorrow i will have sonic dsl, which is uncapped 40 meg dsl [22:32] and i can uplaod the remaining 1tb of yahoo videos [22:33] Hooray! [22:34] Oh yeah, anyone in central Ohio, if you need things uploaded, seek me out; I seem to be capable of this now. [22:35] (On that note, SketchCow, looks like this will be a decent weekend for my uploading activities. Will you have a slot for me on Friday or Saturday night?) [22:35] Wyatt: deesser? [22:36] Yes [22:36] db48xOthe: Selective compression to remove the harshness of sibilants and high-end flute performances. [22:36] http://blog.greenpirate.org/top-ten-ignorant-comments-made-by-pirates/ [22:37] Oh, and violins. Those can get pretty painful. [22:37] ahh [22:37] Hurrah, I finished the antic uploads. [22:37] http://t.co/QjjQRcU [22:38] if you don't mind my asking, why do you find sibilants painful? [22:38] hahaha, number 7 is the nobel prize of retard [22:38] stoner logic [22:39] db48xOthe: It's not that they're painful. It's just one of those steps we can take to clean our rough cuts during mastering. [22:40] lol [22:40] ah [22:42] Well, that, and it helps make audio more understandable when it was recorded in unfavourable conditions and other things. Even just a couple sounds in a row can use cleanup. [23:42] I wish google (or even any search engine; I can't imagine most-if-any do) supported the "foo -*bar" construction.