#archiveteam 2011-08-24,Wed

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00:03 🔗 dashcloud this is pretty cool: http://addonics.com/products/raid_tower/CPR5SA.asp (small-form factor 5 drive enclosure)
00:09 🔗 Wyatt Neat. Though my opinion of hardware RAID has decreased as computing power has increased.
02:26 🔗 SketchCow My opinion remains
02:26 🔗 SketchCow high
02:47 🔗 underscor db48x2: alard: Is someone dedicatedly running that script?
02:47 🔗 underscor (I only ask because I have a gigabit available that's literally 1 hop away from the datanodes)
02:51 🔗 underscor 2011-08-24 02:50:36 (45.3 MB/s) - `/dev/null' saved [104857600/104857600]
02:51 🔗 underscor That's hot
02:51 🔗 Coderjoe I remember when the idea of having T1 speeds made me hard
02:51 🔗 Coderjoe now I have 1.5Mbps up and am left wanting :(
02:52 🔗 underscor hahaha
03:33 🔗 SketchCow Extracting Linux Outlaws 039 - Come Back When You Can Grow a Beard.mp3
03:33 🔗 SketchCow Extracting Linux Outlaws 040 - Software Freedom, Lawsuits & Poker.mp3
03:33 🔗 SketchCow Extracting Linux Outlaws 041 - Now With File Retention Technology.mp3
03:33 🔗 SketchCow Extracting Linux Outlaws 042 - Don't Panic!.mp3
03:33 🔗 SketchCow Extracting Linux Outlaws 043 - The Unbreakable Car.mp3
03:33 🔗 SketchCow Extracting Linux Outlaws 044 - Welcome to KDE 5 (openSUSE 11 Special).mp3
03:33 🔗 SketchCow Now I'm adding piles of Linux Outlaws podcasts.
03:37 🔗 SketchCow P.s. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wERs-s_yYVQ
03:37 🔗 SketchCow Fucking brilliant
03:39 🔗 Wyatt Speaking of vitriolic Linux stuff, I'm using playing Kdenlive right now; it's pretty damn usable and may even produce decent video at the end.
03:40 🔗 Wyatt I'm not a filmmaker, so I don't know what features it's missing, but for an average user like myself, it seems pretty sufficient.
03:41 🔗 Wyatt (And yes, I'm pretty surprised to find this out. I was expecting it to crash immediately like Cinelerra)
03:42 🔗 SketchCow Yes.
03:43 🔗 SketchCow Is this about my little FUK U LINUX rant?
03:44 🔗 Wyatt In a sense, though I agree with you that video editing has been a weakness of my own environment of choice for all of its lifespan.
03:44 🔗 chronomex linux sucks
03:44 🔗 Wyatt And it's complete nonsense to make someone change the workflow they're comfortable with for something like that.
03:44 🔗 chronomex I've had the damndest time adding proper page numbering to PDFs
03:44 🔗 chronomex there doesn't seem to be anything that does it
03:45 🔗 Wyatt chronomex: Every user has different needs of their hardware and software. Linux makes my job almost sane.
03:46 🔗 chronomex I'm trolling, can't you tell?
03:46 🔗 chronomex (but it is a real problem for me)
03:46 🔗 Wyatt Hey, it's a legitimate argument in some sense.
03:46 🔗 Wyatt On that note, what's the issue you're having?
03:47 🔗 chronomex I can't find any software that will throw up a page image from a pdf and let you say "this is the page numbered "iv.1", it is where the numbers change to "iv.N"
03:47 🔗 chronomex and have it update the pdf metadata to reflect that
03:51 🔗 Wyatt I honestly wasn't aware that the spec supported that (though I'm not surprised in the end. It _is_ PDF)
03:55 🔗 Wyatt Hmm, 756 pages of spec. Surprsingly slim.
04:08 🔗 chronomex yeah, did you know that you can embed SWF in PDF files?
04:08 🔗 chronomex that makes it a trillion times more complicated
04:10 🔗 Wyatt Is there anything you can't embed in a PDF?
04:10 🔗 chronomex ummmmm
04:10 🔗 chronomex silverlight?
04:13 🔗 Wyatt Silverlight, like Deus Ex 2, never happened. It was all a dream.
04:18 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, Silverlight sure exploded, right
04:19 🔗 SketchCow I'm sure there were about 30 people who thought that would be the capstone of their careers.
04:19 🔗 SketchCow Silverlight? Did that.
04:21 🔗 SketchCow Yep, that was me. Spec and some of the video handling routines
04:29 🔗 Wyatt I'm sorry.
04:29 🔗 Wyatt I had no idea you worked on that.
04:42 🔗 db48xOthe underscor: yea, I ran the script over the whole archive
04:42 🔗 db48xOthe on my measly 50Mbps connection
04:43 🔗 db48xOthe well, I say 50Mbps, but it's cable
04:43 🔗 db48xOthe so of course it was hinky
04:44 🔗 db48xOthe highest was 7371kBps, lowest was 986kBps
04:48 🔗 db48xOthe hrm
04:48 🔗 db48xOthe I require more disk space
04:48 🔗 db48xOthe I can't install Deus Ex 3
04:50 🔗 db48xOthe it will shortly turn into a calamity
05:43 🔗 no2pencil my name is mud...
05:46 🔗 Wyatt Is not. Tab completion isn't working for "mud"
05:47 🔗 Coderjoe winona had a big brown beaver
06:09 🔗 no2pencil lol
06:10 🔗 SketchCow -vcodec flv -f flv -r 29.97 -s 512x384 -aspect 4:3 -b 510k -g 160 -cmp dct -subcmp dct -mbd 2 -flags +aic+cbp+mv0+mv4 -trellis 1 -ac 1 -ar 44100 -ab 160k
06:10 🔗 SketchCow THANKS FFMPEG
06:10 🔗 SketchCow SO EASY
06:16 🔗 ersi haha
06:17 🔗 db48xOthe :)
06:18 🔗 SketchCow I'm annoyed, it looks like I WILL have to either type in or have people type in the table of contents for these Ham Radio magazines.
06:18 🔗 SketchCow That's a bummer, there's 268.
06:18 🔗 SketchCow Someone made a Ham Radio Magazine Index, but
06:18 🔗 SketchCow 1. It's obviously by someone with Aspbergers
06:18 🔗 SketchCow 2. It's not for human beings
06:19 🔗 SketchCow 3. It obviates other people taking the time to work on it.
06:19 🔗 SketchCow I checked, it's not out there.
06:21 🔗 ersi How many magz are we talking about?
06:21 🔗 SketchCow 268, but any that people add is more than there were.
06:21 🔗 ersi Wowza
06:31 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archive.org/details/1968-12-hamradiomag
06:31 🔗 SketchCow There, I just did one.
06:33 🔗 ersi Time to hook up the Metadata Warriors
06:34 🔗 SketchCow No, I need them for other things.
06:34 🔗 SketchCow Not a lot of people have hopped in on metadata warrioring and some are slowing down terribly.
06:34 🔗 SketchCow Although it turns out one guy has been doing tons but not bringing it up, waiting to finish his entire directory.
06:34 🔗 ersi I bet I'm in the 'pile' in yer inbox
06:37 🔗 SketchCow Ahhhh fuck.
06:37 🔗 SketchCow Ham Radio Magazine is still a sold product.
06:38 🔗 SketchCow Well, let's just keep going, see what shakes out.
06:38 🔗 SketchCow But I'm going to concentrate on other things.
06:38 🔗 SketchCow Like Compute! I have all of Compute!
06:38 🔗 ersi :]
06:39 🔗 chronomex SketchCow: I've two issues of something called "PC Disk Magazine", regrettably missing the disks. Shall I mail them your way?
06:39 🔗 ersi I got over a really old electronics magazine in Swedish on a yard sale
06:39 🔗 ersi Should scan it and up it (Aaany day now..)
06:51 🔗 ersi http://spectrum.ieee.org/automaton/robotics/industrial-robots/fukushima-robot-operator-diaries
06:51 🔗 ersi Awesome, whoever was reading that.. actually SAVED COPIES before it went away
06:51 🔗 ersi ooh, it's still cached @ google
06:58 🔗 SketchCow 537442304 bytes sent in 8.62 secs (60885.5 kB/s)
06:58 🔗 SketchCow More of that
10:30 🔗 SketchCow Interesting... someone is skype calling me at 6:30am my time
11:55 🔗 ersi Bleh, it sucks ass getting data out from Amazon S3
11:55 🔗 ersi slowest piece of crap ever
12:05 🔗 db48xOthe and they charge you for the privilige too
12:06 🔗 SketchCow I've been uploading so many magazines into archive.org
12:07 🔗 ersi db48xOthe: no they don't, not me - they bill the one who uploaded it
12:09 🔗 db48xOthe ersi: same diff
12:09 🔗 db48xOthe SketchCow: their magazine box is probably full
12:09 🔗 db48xOthe also, be careful if you play Deus Ex
12:09 🔗 db48xOthe it's suddenly 5am
12:09 🔗 ersi mmmmh, deux ex
12:10 🔗 SketchCow My script that jams magazines into archive.org is working VERY well
12:10 🔗 SketchCow I have to set it up before each run, but for example I'm uploading something like 140 or 160 issues of Compute
12:10 🔗 SketchCow And it's adding a new one every 6 seconds.
12:10 🔗 SketchCow I'll have to fine-tune afterwards, but hard to argue
12:11 🔗 db48xOthe mm
12:11 🔗 SketchCow And of course they're all put into an appropriate collection.
12:11 🔗 ersi that's pretty darn dandy
12:11 🔗 db48xOthe yep
12:11 🔗 db48xOthe I love automation
12:12 🔗 db48xOthe SketchCow: just curious, but what do you have to tweak afterwards?
12:12 🔗 SketchCow Well, I am using the filenames sometimes for metadata
12:12 🔗 SketchCow When 99% say May_1988 and one says Fall_1988, it comes out mangled.
12:13 🔗 db48xOthe ah :)
12:13 🔗 SketchCow Sometimes the people who assembled, screwed up filenames
12:13 🔗 SketchCow Sometimes I just need to tune the na,e.
12:13 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archive.org/details/01-big-k-magazine
12:13 🔗 SketchCow Meanwhile, now that I'm using WinFF to generate GDC videos, THOSE are coming up hugely fast
12:14 🔗 db48xOthe heh
12:15 🔗 db48xOthe the name was the last thing I could find on the cover
12:17 🔗 db48xOthe the old ads are fun to read
12:17 🔗 db48xOthe PURE MACHINE CODE
12:17 🔗 db48xOthe 4 galaxies
12:17 🔗 db48xOthe hall of fame
12:21 🔗 SketchCow Up to issue 78!
12:22 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archive.org/details/your-commodore-magazine
12:23 🔗 db48xOthe man, I should have slept
12:23 🔗 SketchCow The archive.org machinery will take hours to get through all this
12:24 🔗 db48xOthe boy, that's terrible
12:25 🔗 SketchCow Now up to issue 102!
12:26 🔗 SketchCow ha ha, archive.org admin pinging me in skype
12:26 🔗 SketchCow I WONDER WHAT ABOUT
12:26 🔗 db48xOthe heh
12:27 🔗 db48xOthe he shouldn't complain, as long as the machines don't _actually_ catch on fire
12:27 🔗 SketchCow Well, let's see.
12:28 🔗 SketchCow Conversation went
12:28 🔗 SketchCow "could you slow down the uploads"
12:28 🔗 SketchCow "no"
12:28 🔗 SketchCow Essentially.
12:28 🔗 db48xOthe :)
12:28 🔗 SketchCow I will not upload any after the compute archive.
12:30 🔗 db48xOthe hahaha: "Holy crap! As an area of the cracker cooks, it bubbles up in just a few seconds, leaving clear marks as to where there is microwave power and where there isn't. For this particular microwave, Saturn-shaped objects will cook evenly."
12:30 🔗 db48xOthe http://www.evilmadscientist.com/
12:35 🔗 SketchCow ha ha, now we're arguing
12:39 🔗 db48xOthe :)
12:39 🔗 db48xOthe do the machines feel pain?
12:39 🔗 db48xOthe do they get clogged?
12:40 🔗 SketchCow They do
12:40 🔗 SketchCow He claims it's rare.
12:40 🔗 SketchCow it's not rare.
12:40 🔗 SketchCow OCR takes a long time. it just does.
12:40 🔗 db48xOthe the queue may back up, but no plumbers are required
12:41 🔗 db48xOthe so it doesn't seem like there are any good reasons to slow down
12:41 🔗 db48xOthe well, time for me to go to work
12:51 🔗 SketchCow Well, as I suspect, a PILE of Hams are coming out of the woodwork with the plan to help describe Ham Radio Magazinew
13:05 🔗 ersi Sweet
13:53 🔗 ats SketchCow: I'm not surprised given how common "does anyone have [issue X] of [1960s/1970s radio magazine]?" requests are on radio-related mailing lists...
13:54 🔗 ats with the exception of the magazines published by the national clubs (QEX, RadCom, etc.), most magazines aren't getting digitised except by amateurs
14:27 🔗 DFJustin metadata seems wrong on this http://www.archive.org/details/antic-magazine-disks
17:10 🔗 DFJustin lol at the front page of archive.org, http://www.archive.org/details/70sNunsploitationClipsNunsBehavingBadlyInBizarreFetishFilms
17:26 🔗 Coderjoe ...
17:27 🔗 Coderjoe i get the feeling Spank my Booty by Lords of Acid would make a fitting soundtrack
17:47 🔗 chronomex hahaha
18:10 🔗 illunatic http://blog.greenpirate.org/stop-taxing-pixels/
18:10 🔗 illunatic stop taxing pixels!
18:11 🔗 Wyatt But it's fun!
18:12 🔗 DFJustin dad-gum fiat currency
18:33 🔗 phik hey guys, wasnt telehack.com one your projects? its just that its offline atm
18:36 🔗 chronomex not ours, but it is 100% Archiveteam Approved (TM)
18:38 🔗 phik hmm i hope theres a archive of it as its gone offline and i cant seem to find any other infomation on its status.
19:05 🔗 sankin1 Is there any good way to save articles / newspapers from the Google News Archives?
20:12 🔗 Wyatt Interesting, a fandub parody of Inu-Yasha and LotR is in my possession and Google seems to have no clue it exists.
20:13 🔗 Wyatt What to do, what to do...
20:13 🔗 db48x2 score
20:14 🔗 ndurner db48x2: are you still running the ggroups script?
20:15 🔗 Wyatt Looks like DV video and 16-bit PCM sound. It's a hefty 6.9G for 33:57
20:17 🔗 db48x2 ndurner: which one?
20:17 🔗 ndurner I need more *download*ers, that's why I'm asking
20:18 🔗 db48x2 I don't have any disk space left, I'm afraid
20:18 🔗 ndurner if you can spare the resources, could you switch from discovering to downloading?
20:18 🔗 ndurner mh
20:18 🔗 Wyatt What's this about a script needing run?
20:19 🔗 Wyatt I take it we're backing up Google Groups because they're not trustworthy. Where's the script?
20:20 🔗 ndurner We're downloading files associated with individual Google Groups because we can do so rather cheaply until Aug 31
20:20 🔗 ndurner archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Google_Groups_Files
20:21 🔗 illunatic hey guys i am having trouble getting ahold of the stanford programming methodology torrents
20:21 🔗 illunatic http://coursetorrent.stanford.edu:6969/torrents/cs106a-lecture01.mp4.torrent?FC70D4D40F781ECFBAF3D3FDE7BB75416106EB32
20:21 🔗 illunatic anyone know if these are archived anywhere?
20:21 🔗 ndurner (caution: normal mode of operation is discovery, not download!)
20:21 🔗 illunatic youtube is really inconvenient
20:22 🔗 illunatic http://see.stanford.edu/see/courses.aspx
20:22 🔗 illunatic how can there be no seeds on free education :(
20:22 🔗 Wyatt ndurner: And this is all more or less automated? No claiming ranges and such?
20:22 🔗 ndurner yes, absolutely!
20:22 🔗 ndurner fire & forget
20:22 🔗 Wyatt Nice
20:22 🔗 Wyatt Well I'll set some comput resources on it. Any way of setting limits?
20:23 🔗 ndurner I do that centrally (it uses Google App Engine to coordinate ;-))
20:23 🔗 ndurner thanks!
20:23 🔗 Wyatt Clever. I mean for my own connection's sake though.
20:24 🔗 Wyatt My housemates don't like me eating all of our bandwidth. ;)
20:28 🔗 DFJustin the ggroups script doesn't eat much bandwidth because most of its time is spent in overhead contacting the server etc
20:28 🔗 DFJustin if you have a monthly cap it adds up fairly quickly though
20:28 🔗 Wyatt Ahh.
20:29 🔗 Wyatt Does it work to open multiple sessions?
20:29 🔗 DFJustin I believe so but I haven't tried
20:30 🔗 ndurner Not using the same IP address, that'd get you banned by Google pretty quickly
20:31 🔗 Wyatt Ahh, I see.
20:31 🔗 Wyatt Downloading alt.startrek.vs.starwars << Fuck yeah.
20:31 🔗 ndurner :-)
20:32 🔗 DFJustin do any of the usenet ones even have files
20:32 🔗 DFJustin also the status on the wiki is really out of date
20:33 🔗 ndurner True usenet groups don't. But some Google Groups are just named in the same fashion.
20:33 🔗 ndurner true...
21:56 🔗 chronomex ndurner: I can run ggroups, point me in the right direction?
22:15 🔗 Coderjoe Wyatt: (fandub parodies) give me copies? :D
22:18 🔗 Wyatt Coderjoe: Well, I only have one right now (though I can probably sore a few more from some of my con contacts).
22:18 🔗 Wyatt I was thinking of transcoding to MP4 because it's WAAAAY too huge right now.
22:19 🔗 Coderjoe i'd kinda like the highest quality possible, within reason.
22:19 🔗 dashcloud SketchCow: not to distract from something that works well for you, but if you just need h264 in a container (mp4, flv, mkv), x264 w/ffmpeg builtin may be all you need
22:19 🔗 Coderjoe I wonder how ffv2 would work on it
22:19 🔗 Wyatt Coderjoe: I was actually just looking into that.
22:20 🔗 Coderjoe (unfortunately, last time i looked, ffv2 was only available as a patch)
22:20 🔗 Wyatt Is it significantly better than FFV1?
22:21 🔗 Wyatt And I wonder how HuffYUV compares. I haven't actually dealt with lossless video since my LD rip adventure.
22:21 🔗 Coderjoe in my testing, it was in most cases
22:22 🔗 Coderjoe I don't have any recorded numbers from my testing, other than two modes of ffv2
22:22 🔗 Wyatt (Just discovered; I still have 37GB of ffv1 Arcadia of my Youth)
22:22 🔗 db48x2 basically any video encoding task ends up coming back to ffmepg sooner or later
22:22 🔗 Coderjoe and that was to highlight a bug in ffv2
22:22 🔗 Coderjoe http://wegetsignal.org/tmp/ffv2compare.php
22:23 🔗 Coderjoe "bits" mode was supposed to take the i/p block that resulted in a smaller file. it frequently did not
22:23 🔗 db48x2 lol
22:23 🔗 Wyatt Quite.
22:24 🔗 dashcloud considering there's really very few actual video encoder vendors around anymore, it happens
22:27 🔗 Coderjoe huffyuv will usually be larger than ffv1 or ffv2. huffyuv deals entirely with keyframes.
22:28 🔗 Coderjoe and as a result, does not remove temporal redundancy
22:29 🔗 Wyatt Ah
22:29 🔗 Coderjoe ffv2 actually incorproates a number of things I was considering experimenting with
22:30 🔗 Coderjoe but, like I said, it was still an external patch the last time I played with it
22:30 🔗 Coderjoe thought ffv2 was limited to yuv420
22:33 🔗 Wyatt For now I'll probably just run ffv1/flac jsut to save myself a couple gigs or so.
22:34 🔗 Wyatt I may not even bother compressing the audio, even.
22:34 🔗 swebb Google will rate limit your IP.
22:34 🔗 swebb oops
22:35 🔗 Wyatt LET THEM TRY.
22:37 🔗 dashcloud Wyatt: if you want to try something else, you could try x264's lossless mode
22:40 🔗 DFJustin or just upload the whole thing to archive.org
22:40 🔗 db48x2 for that to save you space, you would then have to delete your local copy
22:41 🔗 swebb I'm not a big bsd guy.
22:41 🔗 Wyatt dashcloud: AVC has a lossless profile? I somehow wasn't aware.
22:42 🔗 DFJustin well in regards to the original "what to do with it" question
22:43 🔗 DFJustin also it's worth noting that depending on how the colour spaces are set up, even a "lossless" codec may alter the video
22:43 🔗 Wyatt DFJustin: I'm totally cool with this option. I can even metadata the shit out of it because I know a lot about the production of this one.
22:43 🔗 Wyatt Well, a decent amount, at least.
22:47 🔗 Wyatt What was the option to make mplayer/ffmpeg dump a nice list of info about a file?
22:49 🔗 dashcloud ffmpeg -i , the midentify.sh script in the tools folder, or ffprobe if you have a new enough version of ffmpeg
22:50 🔗 dashcloud ffprobe is by far the best, and is machine-readable if you need that
22:55 🔗 Wyatt So looks like yuv411p.
22:55 🔗 Wyatt What are PAR and DAR?
22:56 🔗 dashcloud I believe pixel aspect ratio and display aspect ratio
23:01 🔗 Coderjoe correct
23:04 🔗 Wyatt Oh, no wonder it's huge. 28771 kb/s video.
23:04 🔗 db48x2 mmm
23:04 🔗 db48x2 many pretty pixels
23:07 🔗 Coderjoe Wyatt: you did say DV, right? 28mb/s is about right for DV
23:09 🔗 Wyatt I suppose it is. Too many orders of magnitude, so I usually just gloss over the math, but that number is something I understand more easily.
23:12 🔗 Wyatt But right, back to this. Is that one of the colourspace conversions that will change the output?
23:13 🔗 db48x2 if the color space changes from the source to the destination, then yes
23:14 🔗 db48x2 basically no two colorspaces have the same gamut
23:14 🔗 db48x2 and even if it's not changing the color space, it might be changing the amount of information stored about the colors
23:14 🔗 db48x2 for example, going from yuv444 to yuv 422
23:15 🔗 Wyatt Ah, so I need to preserve the colour space. Interesting.
23:17 🔗 Wyatt I'm sort of new to the finer aspects of video stuff, but it makes good sense.
23:18 🔗 db48x2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chroma_subsampling#Types_of_subsampling
23:20 🔗 db48x2 your source DV is probably yuv411 (which I think you said above)
23:20 🔗 db48x2 mpeg mostly uses yuv420
23:25 🔗 Wyatt Now that I think about it, seeing DV in an AVI container is odd, no?
23:32 🔗 Wyatt What a dizzying array of video formats. The number of DV variants alone is kind of crazy.
23:35 🔗 db48x2 video is more complex than it first appears
23:35 🔗 db48x2 "rectangular array of pixels, changing over time" just doesn't capture the actual complexity of the problem
23:36 🔗 Wyatt So I've been humbled to learn.
23:39 🔗 dashcloud some less well-known video news is that some of the folks behind x264 are building x262- which aims to be the finest broadcast MPEG2 encoder available
23:40 🔗 Wyatt About time. I've been wondering when someone would attempt to apply modern practice to mpeg2 for a while.
23:44 🔗 dashcloud if you're actually in the industry, check out OBE- Open Broadcast Encoder
23:45 🔗 dashcloud http://code.google.com/p/open-broadcast-encoder/

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