| Time |
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01:00
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dashcloud |
from reddit: Best Buy's circular, 15 years ago: http://gregarious24.imgur.com/best_buy_flyer_september_1996 |
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01:01
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dnova |
haha wow |
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01:01
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dnova |
that's great. |
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01:01
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dnova |
7.9 oz. Cellular Phone |
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01:01
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dnova |
only $70 for a pager |
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01:02
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dnova |
I love this stuff |
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01:52
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dashcloud |
someone's collected all the RadioShack catalogs here: http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/ |
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01:55
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SketchCow |
DOOSHBAG |
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01:55
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SketchCow |
Yeah |
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01:56
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SketchCow |
http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/1558 |
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01:58
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DFJustin |
lmao |
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02:03
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dashcloud |
thanks for setting me straight |
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02:03
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Coderjoe |
http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalogs/1939/pages/001.jpg |
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02:03
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Coderjoe |
http://www.radioshackcatalogs.com/catalogs/1939/pages/002.jpg |
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02:04
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Coderjoe |
looks easy enough to snag out of the evil flash viewer |
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02:07
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SketchCow |
If you read my article, you see I did that. |
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02:07
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SketchCow |
Tell you what, let me throw those fuckers right on up. |
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02:07
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SketchCow |
http://pdf.textfiles.com/catalogs/RADIOSHACK/ |
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02:07
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Coderjoe |
i hadn't gotten that far in yet |
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02:09
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SketchCow |
My theme song for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3bfR3RKdO0 |
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02:11
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Coderjoe |
Get freaky like my lady pyramid! |
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02:11
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SketchCow |
You think I got these CATALOGS by being slow? I got this 'cause I'm faaaaaaaaaaaaaast |
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02:11
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SketchCow |
You think I got these JSTOR DOCS by being slow? I got this 'cause I'm faaaaaaaaaaaaaast |
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02:27
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SketchCow |
Ah, fuck, I just checked. |
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02:28
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SketchCow |
These are watermarked to shit, and ALSO are shitty shitty scans. |
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02:28
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SketchCow |
SHHHHHIITTTTTTYYYYYYYYY |
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02:28
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dashcloud |
so worse than nothing? |
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02:28
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SketchCow |
Yes |
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02:28
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SketchCow |
That bad |
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02:28
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SketchCow |
I will make better ones when I get the rig |
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02:29
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SketchCow |
Did you guys see the talk and the rig? |
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02:29
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Coderjoe |
I didn't see watermarks, at least in the few I looked at |
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02:29
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Coderjoe |
talk and rig? |
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02:29
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SketchCow |
Look at the bottom |
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02:29
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dashcloud |
I saw the picture |
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02:29
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Coderjoe |
oh |
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02:29
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dashcloud |
can I buy one mostly assembled, or is it only available in pieces? |
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02:29
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Coderjoe |
there it is |
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02:29
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SketchCow |
http://t.co/8XmdmJmz |
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02:30
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SketchCow |
http://t.co/yLJhLjGn |
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02:30
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SketchCow |
First is the video, second is a phot. |
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02:30
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SketchCow |
photo. |
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02:32
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dashcloud |
I could finally scan my copy of Ebay Magazine, Dec 1999 then |
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02:32
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Coderjoe |
man... I'd like a rig :-\ |
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02:32
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SketchCow |
As part of the documentary shooting, I'll take the rig with me and scan things. :) |
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02:34
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dashcloud |
is $300 too little for one of those rigs? |
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02:34
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SketchCow |
Too little? |
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02:36
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dashcloud |
how much would one of those cost? |
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02:36
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SketchCow |
Sub $500 is the plan but it's $133 in materials currently. |
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02:37
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SketchCow |
So it may hover there. |
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02:37
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SketchCow |
He wants it low cost as possible. |
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02:37
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Coderjoe |
I saw an older DIYBookScanner talk... I think it was at goolge |
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02:37
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SketchCow |
Yes, same fellow. |
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02:41
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Coderjoe |
I also need to finish my 16mm film scanner |
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02:45
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dashcloud |
one of my neighbors really doesn't like spending money, so he came up with a hackish way to handle slides without a projector- shine a bright light onto them with a white wall, and then photograph the result |
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02:47
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db48x |
heh |
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03:03
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DFJustin |
oh shit no book is safe |
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03:10
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chronomex |
Coderjoe: neat, im wanting to make one of those. how are you doing it? |
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03:11
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chronomex |
dashcloud: too cheap for a $10 slideproj? ive had goodish results digitising microfiche with a backlit surface and a decent slr with macro lens |
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03:13
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Coderjoe |
chronomex: I'm modifying an elmo sl16 to (hopefully) widen the gate to show the optical sound, remove the shutter fan, and use a backlight plus a DSLR with a macro lens |
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03:13
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dashcloud |
don't know that- interesting to hear about your idea there |
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03:13
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Coderjoe |
i haven't touched it in awhile, however |
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03:13
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Coderjoe |
last thing I did was remove a bunch of the guts almost 2 years ago :-\ |
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03:14
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chronomex |
Coderjoe: nice. im planning to use the line ccd from a flatbed and some found optics |
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03:14
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chronomex |
then do the rest digitally as possible |
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03:14
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Coderjoe |
I was considering a line ccd system, but the optics would be tricky, imo |
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03:15
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Coderjoe |
I wanted to use the whole CCD width for the film width |
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03:15
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chronomex |
right |
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03:15
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chronomex |
found optics => still looking |
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03:16
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chronomex |
:P |
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03:16
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chronomex |
doesnt seem 100% complicated, just tricky |
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03:16
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Coderjoe |
(the SL16 was given to me by a guy I bought a bunch of old film from. the rubber rollers were moldy (have since been replaced) and the sound head was way out of alignment and missing a screw) |
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03:16
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chronomex |
imo moving the film at a constant speed may be trickier than the optics |
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03:16
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Coderjoe |
well, another problem is film transport |
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03:17
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chronomex |
rollers, motors. toothed wheel from e.g. a 16mm proj. |
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03:17
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chronomex |
geared-down stepper ought to do the trick |
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03:17
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Coderjoe |
it's kinda cool to be in a channel with like-minded kooks :D |
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03:17
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chronomex |
:) |
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03:17
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Coderjoe |
if I went the line CCD route, I also wanted to go sprocketless |
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03:18
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chronomex |
why? |
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03:18
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Coderjoe |
less wear on fragile film |
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03:18
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chronomex |
ah true |
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03:18
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chronomex |
need friction feed then though |
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03:18
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chronomex |
which mean things touching the film |
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03:19
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Coderjoe |
though a normal sprocket is not as bad as the gate pulldown fork |
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03:19
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chronomex |
jfc no |
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03:20
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chronomex |
serpentine feed through several driven metal rollers might be better |
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03:20
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Coderjoe |
the scanner the IA has is a capistan drive scanner |
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03:20
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chronomex |
I wonder if bendng is worse than rubber contact |
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03:20
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chronomex |
hmm? |
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03:21
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chronomex |
interfacing a line ccd looks to be kind of a pita; you need to read analog pixels at ~1MHz |
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03:22
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chronomex |
unless it comes with a driver chip ofc |
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03:23
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Coderjoe |
http://blog.archive.org/2011/06/24/our-newest-addition-film-scanning/ |
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03:24
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Coderjoe |
I kinda would like to get my hands on the frame and transport and replace some stuff, like the camera. |
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03:25
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Coderjoe |
video about it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXhF2J9ze2w |
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03:30
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chronomex |
oh it's a frame-by-frame unit |
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03:30
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chronomex |
interesting |
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03:30
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Coderjoe |
most are |
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03:32
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chronomex |
huh, ok |
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03:32
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chronomex |
those are quite clear pictures from such old filmstock, it seems |
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03:32
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chronomex |
so they use rubber serpentine rollers |
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03:33
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Coderjoe |
that is, most motion picture film scanners are. still picture scanners are not |
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03:33
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chronomex |
right |
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03:33
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chronomex |
and it looks to photograph several frames at once |
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03:33
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chronomex |
I suppose that lets it be digitally knit together into a continuous image |
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03:33
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Coderjoe |
http://www.alliedvisiontec.com/emea/products/applications/application-case-study/article/avt-pike-keeps-old-film-memories-alive.html |
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03:34
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Coderjoe |
actually, I think it only does one frame at a time, and you've got aliaing between the strobe and the camera shooting the video |
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03:34
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SketchCow |
http://www.cinevate.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=53_54 |
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03:34
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* |
SketchCow drool |
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03:35
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chronomex |
looks to be 3 + 1/3 + 1/3 video frames in the lit field |
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03:36
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chronomex |
at least in the first demo, youtube is so slow sending me video that I can't watch this one realtime |
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03:36
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Coderjoe |
right, but the camera only focuses on one frame. the strobe and snap is controlled by a laser aimed at teh sprocket holes |
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03:36
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chronomex |
ah, huh |
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03:37
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SketchCow |
Hey, I'm on the radio, folks |
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03:37
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SketchCow |
http://www.unregularradio.com/index.php/geekbeat |
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03:37
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chronomex |
oh yeah? |
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03:37
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chronomex |
mplayer -playlist http://68.232.180.132:8000/listen.pls |
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03:47
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Coderjoe |
oh, and the website of the manufacturer: http://www.filmfabriek.nl/home.html |
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03:48
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chronomex |
wooo paycheck |
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03:48
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* |
chronomex throws $100 down on Tape |
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03:48
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chronomex |
yeah. |
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04:50
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chronomex |
speaking of magtape. probably the most longlived way to preserve data would be punched plastic tape. |
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04:55
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chronomex |
but the density is horrible |
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05:25
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chronomex |
SketchCow: damn. this framescanner output is sexy. are there plans to re-scan the Prelinger Archives with it? |
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05:25
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chronomex |
i.e. correctly; the bits of Prelinger I've watched are at 30fps |
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06:41
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SketchCow |
Done! |
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07:02
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SketchCow |
http://vimeo.com/29279198 |
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07:03
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chronomex |
hmm, turning an audio recording of a data tape into data is going to be tricky |
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07:04
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db48x |
SketchCow: neat |
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07:05
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db48x |
some funky artefacts though |
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07:17
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SketchCow |
There we go... 79 issues of Analog Computing Magazine! |
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07:20
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SketchCow |
It is BLASTING them into the system. |
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07:33
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SketchCow |
Almost done |
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07:36
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SketchCow |
Done. 8 gigabytes of Analog Computing Magazine thrown in. |
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07:58
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SketchCow |
Hey, so the Friendster Snapshots are finally going up. |
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07:58
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SketchCow |
Not surprisingly, it's choking the whole chain to do it. |
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07:59
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Cameron_D |
Speaking of Friendster |
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07:59
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Cameron_D |
I still have all of my data sitting here |
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07:59
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SketchCow |
I'll take it sooner rather than later. |
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07:59
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SketchCow |
rsync.net has finally requested all THAT data get off their systems |
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07:59
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SketchCow |
I'm blowing stuff into archive.org full time right now. |
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07:59
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SketchCow |
But keep on me, I can give you a home |
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08:00
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Cameron_D |
Alright |
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08:00
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SketchCow |
Maybe in a day or two even |
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08:39
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kin37ik |
hullo |
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14:41
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DFJustin |
is there a way to tell archive.org that a pdf has two pages per image and it should split them for the online reader |
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14:42
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alard |
Hey: who wants to help download a bit of Delicious? I'm downloading with SketchCow's list of usernames, but there are too many names to get them all. |
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14:43
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alard |
If you want to help, here's the script to run: https://gist.github.com/0c757431f249ba4c3a5c |
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14:44
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alard |
(Don't know anything about archive.org and pdfs, sorry.) |
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15:04
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Coderjoe |
I wonder if we managed to get any official TMBG friendster profiles |
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16:47
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n00b164 |
hi |
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16:57
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db48x2 |
hello n00b164 |
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17:00
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n00b164 |
whos is there ? |
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17:41
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Coderjoe |
http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/09/20/1639232/Ask-Slashdot-Recovering-Data-From-20-Year-Old-Diskettes |
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18:52
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db48x2 |
nobody but us galliforms |
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18:53
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db48x2 |
Coderjoe: that looks familiar |
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18:55
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db48x2 |
heh, some interesting suggestions |
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18:55
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db48x2 |
electron microscope + tequila |
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19:05
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Ymgve |
how much does an analog oscilloscope with recording capabilities cost? |
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19:39
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SketchCow |
I've got scripts brutally injecting Friendster Data into Archive.org. |
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19:39
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SketchCow |
http://www.archive.org/details/archive-team-friendster |
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19:39
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SketchCow |
Lots of cleanup we'll need to do. |
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20:08
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chronomex |
Ymgve: depends on bandwidth. |
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20:08
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chronomex |
Ymgve: if it's less than <200khz, you can buy a digital audio recorder that might be sufficient |
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20:08
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chronomex |
Ymgve: but depends on what you're up to |
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20:09
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Coderjoe |
I thought for recording/snapshot capability, you pretty much needed a digital scope |
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20:09
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Ymgve |
I was thinking for floppies, not sure what bandwidth's required |
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20:09
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Ymgve |
Coderjoe: digital scope with analog readings then |
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20:10
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Ymgve |
one thing that annoyed me about the Cray data posted some weeks ago was that the data was flattened to a digital signal |
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20:11
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SketchCow |
I did an evil thing there, I must confess. |
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20:11
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SketchCow |
When I put up a picture of the disk pack, I put up a slightly different model. |
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20:11
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SketchCow |
Oh, did the nerds come out from the weeds |
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20:11
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SketchCow |
Now they're involved in the project. |
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20:11
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Ymgve |
it worked well enough for that data, but if you want to try error correction, the original analog data would be a godsend |
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20:12
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SketchCow |
Was it flattened? He didn't include the other rough data? Are you sure? |
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20:12
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db48x2 |
SketchCow: sneaky |
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20:12
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Coderjoe |
floppies and hard drives are recorded as reversals of magnetic flux |
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20:13
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Ymgve |
SketchCow: it was, but it was still miraculously recoverable |
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20:14
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Coderjoe |
which then cause a pulse as they pass the head, so I guess there would kinda be an analog level |
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20:14
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chronomex |
yeah |
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20:14
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db48x2 |
yes |
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20:14
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Ymgve |
even though the difference between a pause of length 1n and a pause of length 2n was very close in some cases |
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20:14
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db48x2 |
hard drives do funky things to the analog signal to tease out the sequence of bits that was most likely to have caused it |
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20:15
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closure |
Ymgve: so that cray data has already been decoded? |
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20:16
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Ymgve |
closure: yeah, http://chrisfenton.com/cray-1-digital-archeology/ |
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20:17
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Ymgve |
if you look at http://www.archive.org/stream/2011-cdc-disk-archaeology-fenton/summer_2011_final_small#page/n7/mode/1up - you see the signal at the top which I'd prefer to have, and the signal at the bottom which is what actually was in the files |
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20:17
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Ymgve |
of course, then the images would probably be like 100gb instead |
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20:19
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closure |
cool, nice work |
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20:26
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Coderjoe |
I wonder about the feasability of using FLAC to encode arbitrary signal waveforms, well beyond audible sound |
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20:27
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Ymgve |
depends on how FLAC works |
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20:28
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Coderjoe |
Sample rate in Hz. Though 20 bits are available, the maximum sample rate is limited by the structure of frame headers to 655350Hz. Also, a value of 0 is invalid. |
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20:28
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Coderjoe |
boo |
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20:28
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Ymgve |
it's not like FLAC isn't forkable |
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20:28
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Coderjoe |
it won't work terribly well without mods |
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20:28
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db48x2 |
just gzip your pcm data |
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20:28
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Ymgve |
make gFLAC, the generic flac! |
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20:29
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Ymgve |
but for disk data, you'd want something that's good on signals with lot of self-similarity |
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20:29
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Ymgve |
(which is different from repeated sequences, which is what zip etch works with) |
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20:30
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db48x2 |
yea |
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20:30
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db48x2 |
but gzip has the advantage of being easy |
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20:41
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underscor |
chronomex: The framescanner is quite sexy |
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20:41
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underscor |
The files it generates are so deliciously huge too |
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20:41
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underscor |
The average roll of 8mm film is over 3TB |
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20:43
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underscor |
(I worked with Rick on it a little while there) |
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20:48
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chronomex |
underscor: o_O |
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20:48
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chronomex |
that's kind of big! |
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20:53
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DFJustin |
Ymgve: isn't that what kryoflux is for |
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20:54
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Ymgve |
DFJustin: possibly, haven't looked at it closely |
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20:54
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Ymgve |
I was just wondering about generic scopes |
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21:01
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DFJustin |
http://www.softpres.org/kryoflux:ui:stream-plot |
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21:05
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db48x2 |
looks like a fun piece of software |
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21:12
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Coderjoe |
i've not used the kf gui much. it didn't seem to allow the flexibility of the command line... such as sampling multiple revolutions and things |
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21:12
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Coderjoe |
one thing the gui can do that the cmdline can't seem to do is save JUST the stream files |
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DFJustin |
yeah I only use it for looking at the stuff after dumping via cli |
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Coderjoe |
bunch of idiots suggesting spinwrong |
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Ymgve |
spinrite sounds good in theory, but... |
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Coderjoe |
but it is a destructive "recovery" tool |
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Ymgve |
a new drive costs $50, just image it instead of overwriting stuff |
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Coderjoe |
Ymgve: talking about floppies |
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Ymgve |
yeah, even worse |
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Ymgve |
you can't spare 1.44mb? :) |
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Coderjoe |
it isn't about sparing the space. it is about getting old data off failing disks |
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Ymgve |
yeah, but the ONLY reason you would use that feature of spinrite is if you want to use the media afterwards |
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SketchCow |
I have a great idea |
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SketchCow |
You should talk to the softpres people |
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21:46
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SketchCow |
Because everyone will wave their e-peens to the heavens |
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SketchCow |
They're good at that, you're good at it |
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SketchCow |
Humanity will benefit |
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SketchCow |
Maybe |
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dashcloud |
do you have a guide somewhere to digitizing VHS tapes? or is there a guide you recommend over others? |
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closure |
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/09/the-ruins-of-dead-social-networks/245397/#.TnjqN5cgT00.hackernews |
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chronomex |
social shoals |