| Time |
Nickname |
Message |
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00:06
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SketchCow |
Dude, SOPA is filled with so much bad. |
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00:06
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PatC |
Yes it is :/ |
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00:06
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PatC |
Isn't it against the first amendment? |
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00:07
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SketchCow |
The thing is, we had DMCA get passed, full of lots of amendment busting bullshit |
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00:07
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SketchCow |
And what happened was: |
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00:07
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SketchCow |
- Lots of chilling effect letters |
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00:07
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SketchCow |
- Lots of fucked people, businesses |
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00:07
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SketchCow |
- Lawsuits |
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00:07
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SketchCow |
- Some parts struck down |
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00:07
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PatC |
ah |
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00:08
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SketchCow |
But using courts as some sort of lint trap for bad law is just a non-starter. |
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00:08
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SketchCow |
We do it, but it's a very bad approach. |
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00:09
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soultcer |
I wonder what kind of remifications it has for archive.org and other archive stuff |
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00:14
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SketchCow |
Forget archive.org, man. Internet. |
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00:14
🔗
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chronomex |
iiiiinternettt |
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00:14
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SketchCow |
It makes it a years-penality crime to stream copyrighted material. |
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00:14
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SketchCow |
Years. A felony. |
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00:14
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soultcer |
<-- European |
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00:14
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chronomex |
<-- American |
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00:14
🔗
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Coderjoe |
completely fucking overboard |
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00:14
🔗
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SketchCow |
Yeah, but see, it kills things like youtube, google showing things, etc. |
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00:15
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Coderjoe |
it kills the internet as we know it |
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00:15
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soultcer |
And the Internet Archive, which is the american institution I care most about |
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00:15
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Coderjoe |
which is, of course, what big content wants: another broadcast/cable TV type platform |
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00:18
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PatC |
SketchCow, has archive.org been here before DCMA? |
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00:22
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chronomex |
yes |
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00:22
🔗
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PatC |
you guys have any problems with the DCMA? |
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00:22
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chronomex |
DMCA, for all its flaws, does allow hosting to actually continue |
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00:23
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chronomex |
it seems that SOPA does not |
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00:23
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PatC |
: |
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00:23
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PatC |
:/ * |
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00:25
🔗
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PatC |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=1w6GtwOvnWM |
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01:27
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Paradoks |
I'm reading "Free Ride", and it rants about how bad the DMCA is -- because it has the safe harbor clause. The author figures that all the pro-industry stuff in there didn't help anywhere near as much as they had hoped. |
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01:28
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Paradoks |
Well, "help" in a sense that I hope we stop helping, as soon as possible. It's not the easiest read. |
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01:29
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Paradoks |
I do wonder what the internet would look like if that safe harbor hadn't made it into the DMCA. |
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01:36
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Ymgve |
just wait till SOPA is in full effect |
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01:46
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Coderjoe |
Paradoks: no google video, no youtube, no imgur and the like |
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02:52
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kennethre |
SketchCow: if namecheap doesn't work out well, i *highly* recommend dnsimple.com |
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02:56
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kennethre |
hmm, http://httparchive.org/ |
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03:04
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SketchCow |
No, they look pretty good |
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03:10
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PatC |
kennethre, what's wrong with name cheap? |
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03:10
🔗
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PatC |
SketchCow, i've had no issues with namecheap |
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03:10
🔗
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kennethre |
PatC: I haven't used them, I just know that dnsimple is incredible |
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03:10
🔗
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SketchCow |
Hey, so, sharing a project. |
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03:10
🔗
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SketchCow |
http://statusboard.archive.org/ |
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03:10
🔗
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SketchCow |
Don't pass around |
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03:10
🔗
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SketchCow |
Just put on a machine full screen and absorb |
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03:11
🔗
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kennethre |
woah |
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03:12
🔗
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PatC |
nice |
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03:15
🔗
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PatC |
SketchCow, that's cool |
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03:22
🔗
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Paradoks |
Nifty! |
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03:25
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Little project alard and I did for the archive. |
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03:25
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Realtime, minus an hour. |
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03:25
🔗
|
SketchCow |
For generating niceness. |
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03:25
🔗
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SketchCow |
Still needs a round of adjustments, etc. |
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03:29
🔗
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kennethre |
SketchCow: love the wordle clouds |
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03:42
🔗
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SketchCow |
I do too |
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03:43
🔗
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SketchCow |
A metric ton of yearbooks are going by. |
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03:43
🔗
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SketchCow |
What happens is that you can see trends, as the scanning centers attack a shelf of books. |
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04:36
🔗
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PatC |
SketchCow, haha nice emulator |
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06:34
🔗
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kennethre |
holy shit. |
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06:34
🔗
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kennethre |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFu71XeM998&feature=youtu.be |
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06:36
🔗
|
chronomex |
packet radio is cool |
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06:37
🔗
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kennethre |
this will be the internet post-SOPA |
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06:37
🔗
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kennethre |
we'll be back to bbs |
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06:37
🔗
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kennethre |
:) |
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06:45
🔗
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yipdw|_ |
that is really slick |
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06:45
🔗
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yipdw|_ |
that's something that I've been meaning to complete, actually: my Technician license |
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06:45
🔗
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yipdw|_ |
doesn't seem that hard to do, I've just been doing too many other things |
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06:46
🔗
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chronomex |
I went straight to General a few weeks ago, it wasn't very hard |
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06:46
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yipdw|_ |
General's above Extra, right? |
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06:46
🔗
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chronomex |
yeah |
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06:46
🔗
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yipdw|_ |
ok |
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06:46
🔗
|
chronomex |
Extra, General, Tech |
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06:46
🔗
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chronomex |
erm |
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06:46
🔗
|
chronomex |
Tech -> General -> Extra |
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06:46
🔗
|
chronomex |
extra is the highest easy one to get |
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06:47
🔗
|
chronomex |
above that I think you can go to Experimenter, but that also requires a substantial annual fee |
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06:47
🔗
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yipdw|_ |
I developed a kind of weird fascination with amateur radio in college |
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07:11
🔗
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Coderjoe |
yipdw: it is incredibly easy to get a license |
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07:11
🔗
|
yipdw|_ |
I knw |
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07:11
🔗
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yipdw|_ |
ow |
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07:12
🔗
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yipdw|_ |
it's a matter of reviewing the material and going in for the test |
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07:12
🔗
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Coderjoe |
so easy you can cram the question pool and then take the test and pass |
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07:13
🔗
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kennethre |
do people actually police that? |
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07:14
🔗
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Coderjoe |
http://www.arrl.org/question-pools |
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07:14
🔗
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Coderjoe |
and if you create a qrz.com account, they have practice exams |
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07:50
🔗
|
* |
SketchCow is back to adding magazines! |
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07:50
🔗
|
SketchCow |
While the Jamendo burns on |
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08:01
🔗
|
SketchCow |
http://www.archive.org/details/warren-1984-magazine |
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08:04
🔗
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arrith |
very neat |
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08:19
🔗
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SketchCow |
Yeah, now I'm worried someone owns it. |
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08:19
🔗
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chronomex |
worrying about copyright is new for you |
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08:20
🔗
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kennethre |
has archive.org received many dcmas? |
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08:22
🔗
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SketchCow |
Well, in many cases I'm putting up stuff that is not sold. |
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08:22
🔗
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SketchCow |
The takedown recently was because it turns out it IS sold |
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08:23
🔗
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SketchCow |
Now while getting info on this obscure comic, I see Fantagraphics released a softcover compilation of all four comics. |
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08:23
🔗
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SketchCow |
Which they still sell. |
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08:23
🔗
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SketchCow |
I'd much rather be saving obscure items nobody cares about, than spending all day making not-distributable online copies of books still being sold right now. |
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08:23
🔗
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chronomex |
oh hey, fantagraphics is local to me |
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08:23
🔗
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SketchCow |
Yes |
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08:26
🔗
|
SketchCow |
I mean, make no mistake, I can make the transfer in as easy as pie. |
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08:26
🔗
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yipdw|_ |
oh, that Technology Review piece has some comments on it |
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08:26
🔗
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yipdw|_ |
"A small team can't possibly back up much of import, but if they end up influencing many thousands or millions of web users to back up their wanted stuff, much more could be done. Just my $0.02." |
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08:27
🔗
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yipdw|_ |
fuck you you are all in archive team, etc |
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08:27
🔗
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chronomex |
I can't really extract much meaningful anything from that comment |
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08:27
🔗
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SketchCow |
Oh, that guy. |
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08:27
🔗
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SketchCow |
Yeah, really seriously, ignore that thing. |
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08:27
🔗
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chronomex |
done |
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08:28
🔗
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SketchCow |
It's cute, it'll bring me celebrity, but people are ALWAYS coming to this project going "But you can't save it all! Go home and nap." |
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08:28
🔗
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chronomex |
PARTIAL SUCCESS (aka PARTIAL FAILURE) is NO BETTER THAN INACTION |
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08:29
🔗
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arrith |
building up a big list of successes (and getting it all prettily formatted), like we're doing now, is something one can then just point to |
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08:29
🔗
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arrith |
"turns out all of these show you're wrong.. yeah" |
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08:31
🔗
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yipdw|_ |
eh, it's the Internet, I've learned to treat it for what it is |
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08:31
🔗
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SketchCow |
Here's the thing (I'm done talking about that article for the night.) |
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08:31
🔗
|
SketchCow |
If stuff is added to the archive, it's there forever, stored in non-browsable archives if there's an issue. |
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08:31
🔗
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SketchCow |
So I am quite glad to add these items. |
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08:32
🔗
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SketchCow |
The key is, I am refining and refining and refining my helper scripts, so adding items is as absolutely simple as possible. |
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08:32
🔗
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SketchCow |
So I can add, say, 500 magazines in an hour or two, while listening to presentations/podcasts people think I should be listening to. |
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08:32
🔗
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SketchCow |
So that's my challenge. |
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08:32
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Right now, it's pretty good. |
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08:32
🔗
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SketchCow |
I dump dotfiles in the directories that are instructions. |
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08:33
🔗
|
SketchCow |
"Put this in this collection, name them all this prefix", etc. |
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08:33
🔗
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SketchCow |
So if there's a .collection file, it means "put these in this collection". |
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08:33
🔗
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SketchCow |
Over time, it won't matter if it goes dark - it's trivial to have added. |
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08:34
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Now, granted, I WANT this stuff out there, so the Jamendos are really getting the work done. |
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08:38
🔗
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SketchCow |
Also, I am rocking the REALLY, REALLY Low-Hanging fruit here - I have a whole bunch of digitization stations I'm setting up in my room over the holidays, and I will be adding SCADS of my own stuff that NOBODY cared enough about to the archives. |
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08:38
🔗
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SketchCow |
I mean, massive piles. I have a bookscanner coming in what looks like early January, and then watch out. |
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08:39
🔗
|
SketchCow |
That's how 2012 is going to be spent, when I'm not doing the documentaries. Just adding piles of data. |
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08:41
🔗
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DFJustin |
so I just found out youtube-dl can download a user's entire video list with one command line |
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08:41
🔗
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DFJustin |
gonna have lots of fun with this |
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08:44
🔗
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SketchCow |
http://www.archive.org/details/close-encounters-warren |
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08:49
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SketchCow |
http://www.archive.org/details/blazingcombat-warren |
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09:06
🔗
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SketchCow |
http://www.archive.org/details/warrenpublishing will keep filling. |
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09:06
🔗
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bsmith093 |
whats the youtube dl command for all of a uesrs videos? |
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09:10
🔗
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emijrp |
SketchCow: this newspaper is closing http://www.adn.es/ |
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09:11
🔗
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emijrp |
can you request a full scrape for wayback? |
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09:11
🔗
|
emijrp |
the currently wayback version looks like only the mainpage is being saved |
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09:13
🔗
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DFJustin |
youtube-dl http://www.youtube.com/user/usernamegoeshere |
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09:14
🔗
|
DFJustin |
I also throw this on there to get nice filenames: -o "%(title)s.%(ext)s" |
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09:14
🔗
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bsmith093 |
thanks DFJustin |
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09:15
🔗
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emijrp |
DFJustin: youtube-dl works on usernames? |
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09:16
🔗
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DFJustin |
yep, not sure when they added that |
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09:17
🔗
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DFJustin |
playlists and searches also work apparently http://rg3.github.com/youtube-dl/documentation.html#d4 |
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09:18
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Nemo_bis |
I was trying to get this go on https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:WikiProject_Royal_Society_Journals/Uploading_progress#Volumes_to_be_uploaded_and.2For_downloaded_to_the_IA |
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09:18
🔗
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Nemo_bis |
But the problem seems to be that nobody wants to scrape hathitrust.org even if they're public domain journals, even if we had the full list of journals missing on IA |
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09:19
🔗
|
Nemo_bis |
(and I don't know how to scrape it, btw) |
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09:22
🔗
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yipdw|_ |
http://www.hathitrust.org/data_api |
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09:22
🔗
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yipdw|_ |
that looks useful |
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09:22
🔗
|
yipdw|_ |
actually, all of http://www.hathitrust.org/data does |
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09:28
🔗
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SketchCow |
http://www.archive.org/stream/teenagelovestories-03/teenagelovestories_warren_03#page/n41/mode/2up |
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09:29
🔗
|
kennethre |
hahaha |
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09:29
🔗
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yipdw|_ |
wow |
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09:30
🔗
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kennethre |
this makes me want to watch mad men |
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09:31
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yipdw|_ |
the anachronicity in that reminds me of http://www.amazon.com/Everything-Always-Wanted-Know-About/dp/0312976569 |
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09:42
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SketchCow |
http://www.archive.org/stream/farmers-wife-v35-n10-1932-10/farmers_wife_v35n10_1932_10#page/n0/mode/2up |
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09:45
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DFJustin |
that is some serious quality for 1932 |
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09:45
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SketchCow |
It's a nice one! |
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09:58
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yipdw|_ |
looking through SSH auth logs yields some funny sites |
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09:59
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yipdw|_ |
and I mean Web sites; for some reason hosts where break-in attempts are staged seem to have Web servers running |
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09:59
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yipdw|_ |
one of them can be found at http://123.30.168.72/; looks like LNMP is some sort of My First Server package |
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10:07
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SketchCow |
http://www.archive.org/details/whisper-magazine-v3-n7-1950-05 |
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10:27
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Nemo_bis |
yipdw|_, I doubt you can use the API to download content they don't want you to download |
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13:22
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emijrp |
yes, downloading videos by users is cool |
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13:23
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emijrp |
all conferences from wikimania 2011 http://www.youtube.com/user/WikimediaIL |
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13:24
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emijrp |
is there a way to download the metadata from youtube? (description, uplodad date, etc) |
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13:25
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emijrp |
using youtube-dl |
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17:04
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Coderjoe |
http://i.imgur.com/04bUa.jpg |
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19:18
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yipdw|_ |
ah, fuck |
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19:19
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yipdw|_ |
I didn't archive GoDaddy's "we support SOPA" blog post |
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19:19
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yipdw|_ |
anyone manage to get it? |
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19:21
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Nemo_bis |
did they really delete it? |
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19:22
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Nemo_bis |
not even the most stupid minister in Italian history did it with her press release about the CERN tunnel |
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19:22
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yipdw|_ |
http://support.godaddy.com/godaddy/go-daddys-position-on-sopa/ |
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19:22
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yipdw|_ |
yes, it's gone |
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19:25
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|
closure |
http://www.technologyreview.com/article/39317/#comment-239190 this comment is pure gold |
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19:32
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Coderjoe |
godaddy's "we no longer support sopa" press release: http://www.godaddy.com/newscenter/release-view.aspx?news_item_id=378&isc=smtwsup |
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19:32
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yipdw|_ |
yeah, but I can't find their original "we support SOPA" press release |
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19:33
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Coderjoe |
wait... IA has a scanning center in Shenzehn, CN? |
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19:36
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Coderjoe |
ah, the "memory hole" qualities of the internet |
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20:59
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SketchCow |
Yes, they have a center in China |
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20:59
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SketchCow |
It's cheaper for a range of books to send a shipping container to china and have them scan in the contents. |
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21:00
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bsmith093 |
youtube dl only grabs the first 30 or so videos from a users page, how do i get them all? |
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21:00
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bsmith093 |
[youtube] user Vihart: Collected 31 video ids (downloading 31 of them) |
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21:00
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bsmith093 |
[youtube] user Vihart: Downloading video ids from 1 to 51 |
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21:10
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DFJustin |
as far as I can tell it gets all of them that exist, that output looks to me like there are only 31 |
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21:10
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DFJustin |
it just goes in chunks of 50 videos because that's how youtube breaks up the page for big users I guess |
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21:17
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Coderjoe |
that's how it used to. youtube overhauled the UI a week or so ago |
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21:46
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emijrp |
SketchCow: if you like counters, look this one http://toolserver.org/~emijrp/wikimediacounter/ ; ) |
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21:47
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emijrp |
a bit old |
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21:56
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emijrp |
yipdw|_: this? http://nwlinux.com/godaddys-official-position-on-sopa/ |
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21:58
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DFJustin |
<emijrp> is there a way to download the metadata from youtube? (description, uplodad date, etc) |
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21:58
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DFJustin |
--write-info-json |
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21:58
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emijrp |
thanks |
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21:58
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DFJustin |
--help may also be of interest |
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21:58
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DFJustin |
for some reason it seems to eat all the line breaks in the saved descriptions though |