[04:12] Just applied to speak at PDA 2012 [04:12] Don't you get in by default? [04:35] one does not simply walk into the archivers conference [05:02] lol [05:02] I want to attend it :( [05:04] Too bad I won't be 18 :'( [05:06] is that necessary? [05:07] It's always cool to me when I find a site that's pretty much untouched by the ravages of time. Like framin.com, Record created on 18-Aug-1996. [05:12] ticalc.org, last redesign 2001, record created 14-Jun-1996 [05:12] :) [05:17] Ooh, nice one. I must try harder. [05:18] I'm staff on ticalc.org, so it's kind of on my mind. [05:21] chronomex: Yeah, cause my parents wouldn't let me go [05:21] lol [05:22] heh, speaking of old stuff, I just found a BASIC program I wrote in 1997 [05:22] damn. [05:22] oo archive conference? where? :P [05:22] what the hell was I thinking [05:23] I have some old QBasic stuff of my own from '97-'98 in my personal archive [05:23] My coding skills were kind of artrocious compared to now [05:24] atrocious* [05:25] I should learn how to spell a word before using it for the first time :P [05:26] heh [05:26] why hello, tev [05:26] Hey [05:26] there's a lot of DEF SEG = VARSEG(variable) in this code; I'm not sure how in the heck I found that more readable than e.g. C pointer syntax [05:26] looking back on that and reading what DEF SEG and VARSEG do, I can't imagine it being any clearer [05:32] heh [05:33] DNALOUNGE FRIENDSTER FTP-DOSE googlegroups LENSASSAMAN MAGS MYPODCAST NUTSACK SYNTH TORRENTS UNDA [05:33] ls [05:33] SketchCow sure loves all caps [05:33] yes. [05:33] ls NUTSACK [05:34] ls UNDA [05:34] spermy.001 spermy.002 spermy.003 spermy.004 [05:34] Caps are nice, they keep your head warm [05:34] ls: cannot open directory UNDA: Permission denied [05:34] :o [05:34] must be top secret [05:36] WHEE ANOTHER MAGAZINE DONE [05:37] o_o [05:38] file NUTSACK/spermy.001 [05:38] chronomex: http://www.archive.org/details/pulpmagazinearchive [05:39] spermy.001: Zip archive data, at least one egg to extract [05:39] rm -rf * [05:39] :D [05:39] wait, "at least one egg"? [05:39] not sure what that means [05:39] heheh [05:40] rm: You must pass --no-preserve-gametes to delete these files [05:40] hah [05:40] :D [06:24] Hey, did those scans of...err, those large books from Ma Bell...did any of those make it up to IA yet? [06:31] well that was interesting... [06:31] I got something I honestly was not expecting [06:31] I was given 4 new HD-DVDs [06:33] Merry Christmas? [06:33] Either that or it's a new age lump of coal... [06:34] they were on one of my amazon wishlists [06:34] that I put together right around the time the format died [06:36] Then Merry Christmas it is! [06:38] I'm a weirdo that collects old media! [06:41] You never know, that could become currency someday! (What with the bottle cap market inflation driving their value down) [08:06] Interesting little project: http://code.google.com/p/viewdataviewer/ [08:23] This IS interesting. [08:25] http://www.archive.org/stream/detective_tales_v28n03_1944-10_popular#page/n1/mode/1up [08:57] I still have my qbasic stuff back to 1996 [08:57] and a bunch from the internet circa 1998-2000 which I should probably put somewhere one of these days [09:01] looks like the wayback machine got a lot of the qbasic.com content [09:03] Wyatt|Wor: many are making their way. If you want to accelerate my progress, come to Seattle! [09:04] chronomex: Ah, I see. I'd love to, but they don't let me telecommute. [09:04] alas alack [09:04] where are you based? [09:04] Smack in the middle of Ohio. [09:05] that's a bit far to commute. [10:38] Just watched the Red Letter Media review of Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull. Good stuff. [11:42] I'm about to dump in 4 gigs of bell system scans [11:42] 2,702 pages total [11:42] including the master numerical index [11:42] so, SketchCow, you can look for the "how to barricade your telephone building" document [11:43] But will it be an almost Peter Pan-ish unwillingness to accept entry to his building? [11:44] Oh delicious. [11:44] I love that thing. [11:44] a document which I believe is a myth [11:44] Strike Manual, dude, that's the name. [11:44] but cannot prove either way [11:44] it may have been expunged by the 1984 manual, which is the one I have [11:45] Did legal poopy give up on stopping the uploads? [11:45] Is this going into Internet Archive? [11:45] uploads have been on hold mostly due to other initiatives taking precedence [11:45] and yes this is going into archive.org [11:45] I am the happiest motherfucker on the face of the earth. [11:45] Let me know if I can help anywhere with it. [11:46] I'm still darking them for now, though [11:46] though I'll make the index light [11:46] just because [11:46] I can live with that for now. [11:46] deriving it will take a while probably [11:46] Just as long as the work will be going on. [11:46] I have no plans to stop. [11:46] Believe it or not, the deriving is much faster, they added more capacity. [11:47] oreeeley [11:47] finally [11:51] * chronomex works around stupid bug in deriver, for now [11:58] I see also some 4 cores OCR machines, aren't those new? [11:58] They're giving more resources, more machines, towards deriving. [11:59] They also fixed some backchannel stuff (with some hiccups) to allow the whole process to work faster. It's all good. [11:59] shit, how did it get to be 4am [11:59] I mean, make no mistake, my constant uploading of bullshit is obliterating things, but that's how it goes. [12:00] Sadly, or maybe not so sadly, I'd loaded Jamendo up to October 28, 2011. [12:00] Now I'm trying to pick up all the albums uploaded SINCE October 28, and of course here we go with another 2000 albums or something. [12:00] It's obvious I'm going to have to automate this going forward. [12:02] :) [12:02] http://www.archive.org/details/youporn.com [12:02] ? [12:02] Hooray [12:04] I want my pony back http://tracker.archive.org/batcave.png [12:18] SketchCow: the guy who's actually in charge at the museum has told me "I don't care what you do with the scans so long as it doesn't put us in danger of having to shut down" [12:18] the guy who is all "whoa whoa whoa" is not actually decision maker #1 [12:25] Good [12:26] * chronomex hits "go" on the master index [12:28] "Go into the ground, put a plastic bag over your head, and play astronaut. You're done." [12:28] Give me the itemname! [12:29] bellsystem_BSP_000-000-002 [12:30] it's going to take a while [12:32] Something's wrong, it stopped. [12:32] it's kind of a shame we don't have a color sheetfeeder, the blue and red stripes on the front cover are something else [12:32] Or something. [12:32] curl is still doing its thing [12:32] Oh, I see, you're still uploading, got it. [12:32] a.o has seen the metadata and created the item [12:32] but yes [12:32] Was worried. [12:33] aye [12:33] you'll have to wait a little while I guess [12:33] merry christmas! [12:38] As long as it's going down. [12:38] That's all that matters. [12:38] I've been up since 4am getting things in order over here. [12:42] Oh, and of course the funny thing with statusboard is it hitting such attention JUST as everyone goes home for the holidays. [12:42] Oh well. [12:42] I just watched all the places empty out, 0 today. [12:42] * chronomex shrugs [12:44] I know, mend my broken heart, etc. [12:45] 10% [12:47] Wow, how big is this thing? [12:48] If you want, you can always mail a hard drive, by the way. [12:48] I can push that shit right in. [12:48] -rw-r--r-- 1 duncan duncan 1.2G Dec 25 04:26 bellsystem_BSP_000-000-002_images.zip [12:48] 300dpi, grey256, 680 pages [12:49] I have bandwidth to burn, just not really at home [12:58] Sweeet [12:59] Wow, Shenzhen is really tearing it up. 18 Kilobooks in a month? [12:59] They are literally sent shipping containers [12:59] actually this one is 400dpi, I was willing to trade the extra scan time for OCR quality [12:59] They're the engine driving the scanning [13:01] Shipping containers. [13:01] Information Cube-scale? [13:01] nice, they cost nothing TO Chine [13:02] *China [13:02] Yes, 40 footers [13:02] Of books. [13:02] Of those books thrown away by libraries? [13:02] Good jeebus, [13:02] Some are donations, some are lends, etc. [13:02] The thrown away by libraries numbers WERE small. [13:02] The SF Public dump (130,000) was a special case. [13:03] It's funny that IA used stimulus plan resources to scan books and now outsources to China :-p [13:03] I forget the full number, but IA was able to scan through all those 130,000, find the uniques, and donate the rest. [13:03] small? too bad, I thought the project was amazing [13:03] how is the IA going to fill that huge building I saw in the blog, then? :) [13:04] I just mean they get donations but there's more at stake there. [13:04] You're misunderstanding me. [13:04] The amount they get DONATED is sizeable, the amount "thrown away by libraries" is small. [13:04] "Thrown away by libraries" is a very specific set of circumstances. [13:04] librarians aren't the monsters you seem to think they are [13:04] Me or Nemo [13:04] me I guess [13:04] nemo [13:05] You don't need to be a monster to throw away books [13:05] e.g. in my university keeping them costs millions [13:05] so we just wait for them to be destroyed by time; that's not much better [13:05] yes, that is called a "library" and it costs "money" to run [13:05] :P [13:06] not if nobody reads them ;-) [13:07] 20% [13:07] would the IA be interested in some shelf-km of obsolete medicine journals? :-p [13:07] I don't see why not. [13:08] I can imagine some reasons :) [13:08] try me [13:09] 1) Managing journals is more difficult than books. They don't have ISBN, they're more fragile, there are more items with less content each, they're more fragile. [13:10] 2) Obsolete journals are less interesting than old books. [13:10] 3) There might be lots of copyright problems and investigating them it's a mess. [13:10] 1) ISSN. Yes. Sure, but I think the main driver of scan time is page count. [13:10] But yes, who knows, perhaps they'd like to have them and my university would like to save some millions for the new deposit [13:11] 2) Matter of perspective. Is important to know how we got here. [13:11] 3) More so than books? Many journals demand copyright transfer. [13:11] 1) It's no scan, it's managing the items. http://blog.archive.org/2011/06/06/why-preserve-books-the-new-physical-archive-of-the-internet-archive/ describes the process and that's the most important factor ISSN is for titles, not issues [13:11] 2) I said less important, not unimportant. [13:12] ISSN + volume nr + issue nr [13:12] you see, three things instead of one :) [13:12] some books come in multiple volumes but still have only one ISBN [13:12] 3) All of them, actually, this doesn't make them better; and they're recent. A medicine journal is obsolete after a dozen years [13:12] usually if they were sold as a package [13:12] I'm trying to understand the nature of the discussion. [13:13] SketchCow, I don't now it either :-p [13:13] just speculating on how the IA would react I guess [13:13] You realize my tolerance for people sitting around going "This can't possibly work" is less than zero. Right. [13:13] I think Nemo_bis is trying to apologize for the hypothetical sins of collections managers, and I'm being stubborn. [13:14] Like, that's really boring. Go watch Discovery Channel and eat some Funyuns. [13:14] I'm going to have lunch now :) [13:14] Enjoy the FunYuns. [13:14] ha [13:17] 2011-12-25 05:17:40 (147 MB/s) - `102000-102999/torrentsogg/[102762] Floppy Porn - Floppy Drive -- Jamendo - OGG Vorbis q7 - 2011.11.28 [www.jamendo.com].torrent' saved [1609/1609] [13:17] Well now [13:18] Huh. [13:18] Well, it just successfully downloaded an album that was deleted. [13:18] Weeeird [13:21] Where Weeeird==awesome. [13:24] Yeah, no complaints. [13:27] I'm trying to demolish all sorts of to-dos today and pack for NYC, get things going well. [13:28] Hopefully it'll be a productive vacation week among a bunch of fronts. [13:28] I'm SUPPOSED to produce a 40 minute podcast/performance for a Barcelona appearance [13:28] The big thing is my voice is not ready. [13:28] * chronomex zzzz [13:28] I wrote this some time ago: http://rhizome.org/editorial/2011/dec/13/rhizome-community-campaign-message-jason-scott/ [13:29] Thanks for the awesome upload, chronomex [13:29] Austin is not far away!! [13:32] http://documentary.textfiles.com/ [13:46] SketchCow: for the Shareware CD archive, do you need the physical CDs or do you also accept ISOs + Scans? that'd be cheaper than sending a package across the ocean :) [13:49] I prefer the originals but will accept the ISOs and Scans for now. [13:50] If you ever are going to dispose of them, I want them. [13:50] I'll pay. [13:56] well okay. Maybe I'll keep the ISOs for myself and send you the originals, I haven't decided yet... :) you want some coverdisks (from German magazines) too? [13:58] All [14:04] ok I'll see what I can find here. It's probably not so many Shareware CDs (around 50-80 or so) but also eval software, lots of coverdisks, MSDN stuff, one or two old SUSE Linux distributions and some assorted bits&pieces [14:05] Yeah, it's better if I get originals. [14:10] http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BiC51tqEmME [14:10] hahahah [14:10] That makes my day. [16:37] Like, that's really boring. Go watch Discovery Channel and eat some Funyuns. [16:37] hahahaha [16:38] http://www.archive.org/details/google-video-metadata-dumpage [16:58] inbox down to 28 messages first time since april [17:41] I'm respondng to the nightmares, the messages and mails where people would send me, no joke, 20-paragraph e-mails covering BBSes, Tape, Arcades, and the 6502. Seriously. With action items peppered in. [18:11] 16 [18:18] hahaha [18:18] that's awesome [18:30] SketchCow: How did you upload that? [18:30] contrib-submit or FTP? [18:42] FTO [18:42] FTP [18:42] Fuck contrib-submit [18:42] I use what people use. [18:44] 36,707 albums uploaded! [18:44] More than any person here will ever listen to! [20:51] g'mawrnin [20:51] an merr' chrismas [21:19] argh stupid deriver [21:28] "Lamar Smith (R-Hollywood)" [21:28] heh