#archiveteam 2012-02-18,Sat

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01:50 πŸ”— underscor Wheee
01:50 πŸ”— underscor Counting objects: 66451
01:50 πŸ”— underscor Ï git push -u origin git-annex
01:50 πŸ”— underscor That's a lot of objects
02:06 πŸ”— closure can I see the script you're using for import?
02:21 πŸ”— underscor closure: http://hastebin.com/getafahuhu.rb
02:21 πŸ”— underscor There's a bunch of extra cruft in there, cause I just modified an existing script
02:21 πŸ”— underscor (that actually downloads the items and stuff)
02:26 πŸ”— closure ok.. if you can change this to pass all the urls to git-annex addurl --pathdepth=2 , it will dramatically improve both number of ojects and I think speed
02:37 πŸ”— underscor Ok, let me try it
02:37 πŸ”— underscor Wait, pathdepth=2 or -2?
02:37 πŸ”— closure =2
02:37 πŸ”— closure for from the end
02:37 πŸ”— closure I modified it to just echo >> /tmp/todo and was going to run git-annex on that with xargs
02:38 πŸ”— underscor I want to drop the http://archive.org/download piece from http://archive.org/download/identifier/this/could/be/arbitrarily/deep/but/I/want/all/of/it
02:38 πŸ”— closure but that's crap, I don't write ruby :)
02:38 πŸ”— closure yes =2 drops 2
02:38 πŸ”— closure leaving the end
02:38 πŸ”— underscor okay, cool
02:38 πŸ”— underscor thanks!
02:40 πŸ”— underscor closure: --fast and --pathdepth=2 will work together right?
02:40 πŸ”— closure yes
02:41 πŸ”— underscor and it should be like git-annex addurl --fast --pathdepth=2 http://url1 http://url2 http://urlN ?
02:41 πŸ”— closure sounds perfect.
02:41 πŸ”— underscor \o/
02:41 πŸ”— underscor Testing now
02:41 πŸ”— closure you will need xargs, I'm seeing 6000+ archiveteam files
02:41 πŸ”— closure 10430 /tmp/todo
02:44 πŸ”— closure Skipping FRIENDSTER-121000000 because its parent is archive-team-friendster and we want archiveteam (it will be gotten later)
02:44 πŸ”— closure huh
02:44 πŸ”— underscor Well
02:44 πŸ”— underscor It used to recurse
02:44 πŸ”— underscor That version doesn't
02:44 πŸ”— underscor Because I don't want it to
02:45 πŸ”— underscor If you want to recurse, there's a AND NOT mediatype:collection bit further down
02:45 πŸ”— underscor Just delete that
02:45 πŸ”— underscor Basically, the search result for collection:archiveteam returns both FRIENDSTER-121000000 and archive-team-friendster
02:45 πŸ”— underscor So if you download FRIENDSTER-121000000
02:46 πŸ”— underscor then you re-download it when you recurse into archive-team-friendster
02:46 πŸ”— closure if you're actually downloading :) Whereas for git-annex, an extra copy of friendster is just some symlinks to the same content :)
02:46 πŸ”— underscor (because the hierarchy goes web->archiveteam->archive-team-frienster->FRIENDSTER-121000000)
02:47 πŸ”— underscor Well, yeah
02:47 πŸ”— underscor But for my purposes, I wanted it like that
02:47 πŸ”— underscor Feel free to modify it
02:48 πŸ”— closure wow, I've never seen git-annex addurl stop in the middle to flush its buffer :)
02:48 πŸ”— underscor haha
02:49 πŸ”— Bwaah 1/mhi
02:49 πŸ”— underscor that's cool
02:49 πŸ”— Bwaah whoops
02:49 πŸ”— underscor closure: Have you tried cloning any of the repos I'm putting on github?
02:49 πŸ”— underscor I don't have another box to easily test on, and I wanted to see if they work properly
02:49 πŸ”— closure I looked at the first one. looked fine except for the slightly inneficcient history this is fixing
02:51 πŸ”— closure btw, I hope archive.org is ok with thousands of HEAD requests that git-annex is doing
02:52 πŸ”— underscor They haven't yelled at me yet
02:52 πŸ”— underscor ;)
02:52 πŸ”— underscor git-annex: unrecognized option `--pathdepth=2'
02:52 πŸ”— underscor Oh, wait
02:52 πŸ”— underscor It would probably help if I rebuilt it with the latest source
02:52 πŸ”— underscor haha
02:54 πŸ”— underscor closure: With the old way, was each one of those kinda making a commit?
02:54 πŸ”— underscor those calls*
02:54 πŸ”— closure yes
02:54 πŸ”— underscor Oh wow
02:55 πŸ”— underscor No wonder they grew gigantic
02:55 πŸ”— closure git log --pretty=oneline git-annex
02:55 πŸ”— closure 1f1f8afa5c9e05384c9f18bc083714eccbfced15 update
02:55 πŸ”— closure 32f6da243bd30acbf593e14dba10bc88d4d7708a update
02:55 πŸ”— closure 352fd3f25eb3cd09e0e002c9c7c8f780b891c1b7 update
02:55 πŸ”— closure 4b648ce8a4a3d981aed7d0e8d227bd96cf627b63 update
02:55 πŸ”— closure 7e6c240fd019844e7f27fc5999c9ab1ff7fb11b2 update
02:55 πŸ”— closure a7ebc8dc64e6509353e4014e5f709e14a8ab9451 update
02:55 πŸ”— closure ce87583b6704aa62f20d08f66d744bcb105053dc update
02:55 πŸ”— closure 0578e985dc2ad17e092f547e8c9c98bcce5b11cb update
02:55 πŸ”— closure 3161b91f597dbc6a6c2a2d75a9b9fe10552d6683 update
02:55 πŸ”— closure c2cd683c618cf4b55904edcec97b571ea7bb4f26 branch created
02:55 πŸ”— closure now the whole import will be like that
02:55 πŸ”— closure a few commits still made
02:55 πŸ”— underscor but far fewer
02:56 πŸ”— closure you could even remove those by running: git config annex.queuesize 102400
02:56 πŸ”— closure default is 10240
02:57 πŸ”— underscor Hmm, so would it be better to do an addurl --pathdepth for each item, or for all the items together?
02:57 πŸ”— underscor The latter would be a gigantic list
02:57 πŸ”— underscor Since each item can have from 4 to 10000 files
02:57 πŸ”— underscor s/4/3/
02:57 πŸ”— closure I ran: cat todo | xargs git-annex addurl --fast --pathdepth=2
02:58 πŸ”— underscor Okay
02:58 πŸ”— underscor Thinking how to rubyize that
02:59 πŸ”— underscor I mean, I guess
03:00 πŸ”— underscor system("echo '#{urls}' | xargs git-annex addurl --fast --pathdepth=2")
03:00 πŸ”— underscor where urls is just a massive string containing all the URLs
03:01 πŸ”— closure heh, I imported archiveteam, got a 321 mb .git/ .. ran git-gc and it's 66 mb
03:01 πŸ”— closure 66719 objects total
03:01 πŸ”— underscor garbage collect?
03:02 πŸ”— closure this is still a bit inneficient, I have a plan to nearly half it
03:02 πŸ”— closure eventually
03:05 πŸ”— underscor damn, nice
03:06 πŸ”— underscor So, should I run git-gc on all the ones I've done, and repush?
03:06 πŸ”— underscor (to optimize them)
03:06 πŸ”— closure I'll bet github does it for you
03:08 πŸ”— underscor Oh yeah, probably
03:11 πŸ”— underscor oops
03:15 πŸ”— closure underscor: pull and rebuild, I made the 50% improvement (or so..) change
03:16 πŸ”— underscor Ooh, nice
03:16 πŸ”— underscor What is it?
03:17 πŸ”— closure more efficient location used to store the urls in the git-annex branch
03:17 πŸ”— underscor I see
03:17 πŸ”— closure I had not anticipated every freaking file having an url, so it was sorta inneficient
03:17 πŸ”— chronomex url url url url
03:19 πŸ”— underscor url url url url
03:19 πŸ”— underscor closure: Welcome to #archiveteam, where we like to push edge cases!
03:19 πŸ”— chronomex x 100,000
03:20 πŸ”— closure welcome? I archived geocites dude
03:20 πŸ”— chronomex abusing our tools until the authors come in and scream STOP STOP STOP
03:20 πŸ”— underscor closure: I know, just teasing :)
03:20 πŸ”— underscor chronomex: hahaha
03:20 πŸ”— chronomex ooh oldtimer fight
03:20 πŸ”— underscor I missed geocities :(
03:21 πŸ”— underscor I was like 15 though when it happened
03:21 πŸ”— underscor Yahoo Video was my first project
03:21 πŸ”— chronomex it's always discncerting to ride the bus at night and go "wait, where the fuck am i"
03:21 πŸ”— underscor I think my one-year-anniversary coming up!
03:22 πŸ”— underscor chronomex: uh oh
03:22 πŸ”— chronomex I wish I were still a youngun with time to burn
03:22 πŸ”— chronomex but no money
03:22 πŸ”— chronomex hmmm maybe this is ok.
03:23 πŸ”— underscor closure: If I run addurl again with the same url, does it add bloat?
03:23 πŸ”— underscor or does git-annex just go "hey, this is exactly the same. don't need it!"
03:23 πŸ”— closure underscor: should add no bloat
03:24 πŸ”— underscor cool, thx
03:24 πŸ”— closure but to get my efficiency fix, you need to start fresh
03:25 πŸ”— underscor okay
03:25 πŸ”— underscor This is a fresh repo, I was just wondering what would happen if I ran it again
03:25 πŸ”— underscor Wow
03:25 πŸ”— underscor This is soooooooo much faster
03:25 πŸ”— underscor Jeez!
03:26 πŸ”— closure yeah, isn't optimisation fun
03:26 πŸ”— underscor Very
03:26 πŸ”— underscor This is fantastic
03:26 πŸ”— * underscor awards closure
03:26 πŸ”— closure it'd be a *lot* faster, but it still has to HEAD every url :)
03:28 πŸ”— underscor Yeah
03:28 πŸ”— underscor Although I'm internal, so at least network isn't a limiting factor
03:28 πŸ”— underscor :)
03:33 πŸ”— closure they seem to have throttled me after 15 thousand HEADs
03:33 πŸ”— underscor ...
03:33 πŸ”— underscor hahahaha
03:35 πŸ”— underscor closure: It's normal to sit at (Recording state in git...) for a while, right?
03:35 πŸ”— closure yes, there's a git commit happening there
03:35 πŸ”— underscor Okay
03:36 πŸ”— underscor A git commit of 10240 new things
03:36 πŸ”— underscor :D
03:42 πŸ”— closure jesus, algathafi-org never ends.
03:42 πŸ”— closure die you bastard! .. oh wait
03:43 πŸ”— underscor hahaha
03:43 πŸ”— underscor hahahahahaha
03:43 πŸ”— underscor that's great
03:48 πŸ”— underscor Wow, fast push now too
03:48 πŸ”— underscor closure: <3
03:50 πŸ”— closure btw, I lied, it does bloat slightly if you re-run addurl with the same url, because it records it had the url at the new time
03:50 πŸ”— closure so if you were thinking about rerunning to update, you should make it skip
03:52 πŸ”— closure 41878 objects with my fix.. pretty good
03:53 πŸ”— chronomex maybe I hear a call for a smarter version of wikiscraper that generates a git repo directly.
03:53 πŸ”— chronomex worthwhile?
04:05 πŸ”— underscor That would be cool
04:05 πŸ”— underscor closure: Okay
04:05 πŸ”— underscor Actually, I should just be able to use git annex fsck to check if any files have changed
04:05 πŸ”— underscor Then redo any that error
04:06 πŸ”— closure well, I was thinking re-run to find new files
04:06 πŸ”— closure but NM, I removed that bloat on url re-add
04:07 πŸ”— underscor Oh, really?
04:07 πŸ”— underscor hahaha
04:07 πŸ”— underscor you're so amazing
04:19 πŸ”— closure looking forward to seeing the archiveteam collection on github
04:19 πŸ”— underscor I'll fire that up next
04:19 πŸ”— underscor Put it on its own 2tb drive, hehe
04:20 πŸ”— underscor That's going to be a GIGANTIC commit, ha
04:20 πŸ”— underscor Actually, multiple commits, won't it?
04:20 πŸ”— closure that's the one I was running, it's a few
04:23 πŸ”— underscor This is mesmerizing... @_@
04:25 πŸ”— underscor Thanks for crashing, xchat
04:26 πŸ”— underscor http://i.imgur.com/IZA7D.png
04:26 πŸ”— underscor ^ That's mesmerizing :D
04:27 πŸ”— NovaKing such a small res
04:28 πŸ”— kennethre yay netbooks
04:28 πŸ”— underscor yeah
04:28 πŸ”— underscor This is an acer iconia tab w500
04:28 πŸ”— underscor it's pretty small, 11"
04:29 πŸ”— underscor 's really all I need in this machine
04:29 πŸ”— underscor It's basically my terminal to all my other machines
04:29 πŸ”— underscor as well as my onenote machine in class
04:29 πŸ”— underscor I don't usually like windows, but onenote is <3
04:29 πŸ”— underscor s/windows/microsoft products/
04:30 πŸ”— kennethre underscor: +10000000
04:30 πŸ”— closure I do everything on my dell mini 9 .. 1024x600
04:30 πŸ”— closure your img scrolls :P
04:30 πŸ”— kennethre i have fucking xp running in a vm all day long becuase of onenote
04:30 πŸ”— kennethre i can't live without it
04:30 πŸ”— underscor closure: hahaha
04:30 πŸ”— kennethre i'd murder a man to have it on osx
04:30 πŸ”— underscor kennethre: I KNOW!
04:30 πŸ”— underscor onenote is so amazing
04:30 πŸ”— underscor :D
04:30 πŸ”— kennethre it really is
04:30 πŸ”— NovaKing 3840x1200 here
04:30 πŸ”— kennethre must unappreciated product of all time
04:30 πŸ”— kennethre NovaKing: two screens?
04:30 πŸ”— NovaKing ya
04:30 πŸ”— NovaKing getting 3rd soon
04:30 πŸ”— underscor It's not even that well known :(
04:30 πŸ”— underscor It should be
04:31 πŸ”— underscor It's the best program in the entire suite
04:31 πŸ”— kennethre there's a little mini community, luckily
04:31 πŸ”— kennethre yeah by far
04:31 πŸ”— kennethre without a doubt
04:31 πŸ”— kennethre i'd kill for an super small tablet w/ a wacom pen for it
04:31 πŸ”— kennethre but there aren't any
04:31 πŸ”— kennethre so vm it is
04:33 πŸ”— underscor Yeah, I love the onenote community
04:33 πŸ”— underscor What's funny is everyone I show it to is like "Woah, I have 100000 uses for that"
04:33 πŸ”— kennethre If I get bored with all the other stuff i'm working on, I'll make a onenote for windows
04:33 πŸ”— underscor I noticed MS has been running TV commercials for onenote lately though
04:34 πŸ”— kennethre oh yeah?
04:34 πŸ”— underscor Yeah
04:34 πŸ”— underscor It integrates with windows mobile 8
04:34 πŸ”— kennethre *I'll make a onenote for os x
04:34 πŸ”— kennethre nice
04:34 πŸ”— kennethre hope they didn't ruin it
04:34 πŸ”— kennethre i'm still running 07 i think
04:34 πŸ”— underscor So if your wife creates/modifies a grocery list on the computer
04:34 πŸ”— underscor It syncs instantly to your phone
04:34 πŸ”— underscor you see changes live
04:34 πŸ”— underscor It looks pretty cool, at least
04:35 πŸ”— underscor Onenote 2010 is really nice
04:35 πŸ”— underscor I like the OCR on scans
04:35 πŸ”— underscor I'm always the first one to find worksheets and stuff from like the beginning of the year
04:35 πŸ”— underscor :D
04:36 πŸ”— underscor (Recording state in git...)
04:36 πŸ”— underscor closure: addurl 2009-archiveteam-geocities-part6/geocities-H-e.7z.257 ok
04:36 πŸ”— underscor Almost done!
04:36 πŸ”— underscor :D
04:45 πŸ”— chronomex and the server melts
07:10 πŸ”— lemonkey The startupҀ™s developer platform is going to be shut down, with maintenance and support continuing through March 2 2012 Ҁ” all data will be deleted after that. Developers can find a FAQ on transitioning their data here.
07:10 πŸ”— lemonkey http://developer.hyperpublic.com/transition/transition-faq/
11:34 πŸ”— Schbirid anyone got a script ready to extract all the video IDs from a youtube playlist? i fail to do this because of all the javascript rubbish
11:40 πŸ”— Nemo_bis Schbirid, http://www.textfiles.com/videoyahoo/SCRIPTS/youtube-dl ?
11:40 πŸ”— Nemo_bis I see mention of playlists, dunno what it does
11:41 πŸ”— Schbirid ha, you rock
11:42 πŸ”— Schbirid with -s PLAYLISTURL you get the IDs nice
11:48 πŸ”— Schbirid hm, i should also archive the youtube html pages
12:57 πŸ”— kin37ik heya, whats the biz for today/tonight?
14:51 πŸ”— Schbirid is upload via archive.org's s3 interface kinda slow or am i donig something wrong
14:52 πŸ”— Schbirid ~200kilobytes/s is not much fun :]
15:06 πŸ”— ersi Schbirid: youtube-dl surely do rock at everything youtube related besides the captions
15:06 πŸ”— ersi there's a seperate program for captions though ^_^
15:07 πŸ”— Schbirid i use get-flash-videos for the actual downloading
15:07 πŸ”— Schbirid cant remember why
15:15 πŸ”— underscor Schbirid: It's slow
15:15 πŸ”— underscor If you use a client that supports multipart uploads, you'll get MUCH faster speed
15:15 πŸ”— underscor (they just implemented that on the IA side)
15:16 πŸ”— Schbirid i used curl as in their examples
15:27 πŸ”— underscor oh, okay
15:27 πŸ”— underscor then no
15:28 πŸ”— underscor sorry :(
15:28 πŸ”— underscor closure: Is there a way to tell git-annex to ignore errors like this?
15:28 πŸ”— underscor addurl TheGoalkeeperAndTheVoid/goalkeeper_and_void.avi git-annex: unable to access url: http://archive.org/download/TheGoalkeeperAndTheVoid/goalkeeper_and_void.avi
15:29 πŸ”— underscor (403 Forbidden)
15:30 πŸ”— underscor btw
15:30 πŸ”— underscor https://github.com/ab2525/ia-archiveteam
15:30 πŸ”— underscor :D
15:32 πŸ”— closure underscor: doesn't it just continue past the fail?
15:32 πŸ”— underscor Not if I'm xargsing all the urls into it
15:32 πŸ”— Schbirid underscor: what clients would support that?
15:32 πŸ”— closure does it stop xargs?
15:33 πŸ”— closure it should continue past the error, do the rest that xargs gave it, and then exit nonzero
15:34 πŸ”— closure underscor: ia-archiveteam you need to push the git-annex branch
15:34 πŸ”— underscor Yeah, it's still compressing
15:34 πŸ”— underscor Heh
15:34 πŸ”— underscor Schbirid: http://s3tools.org/s3cmd-110b2-released
15:35 πŸ”— underscor closure: http://hastebin.com/cojiwuwefi.avrasm
15:35 πŸ”— underscor http://hastebin.com/wopanesibi.avrasm
15:36 πŸ”— underscor There's the rest of the file list
15:36 πŸ”— closure ok, so it throws a real error
15:36 πŸ”— closure will fix
15:37 πŸ”— Schbirid underscor: nice, thanks
15:38 πŸ”— underscor np, Schbirid :)
15:38 πŸ”— underscor closure: great!
15:42 πŸ”— underscor I wonder if github is like "what the hell are you doing?" yet
15:42 πŸ”— underscor 21 new repos in 2 days, haha
15:44 πŸ”— closure underscor: fixed
15:44 πŸ”— underscor awesome, as always
15:50 πŸ”— underscor closure: archiveteam push finished, fyi
15:52 πŸ”— closure nice, 33k objects
15:52 πŸ”— closure visible annex keys: 11740
15:52 πŸ”— closure visible annex size: 2 terabytes
15:53 πŸ”— closure niiice
15:59 πŸ”— underscor :D
15:59 πŸ”— underscor That's awesome
16:00 πŸ”— underscor closure:
16:00 πŸ”— underscor addurl The_Vandhaal_Clash_with_the_Gibichungen_directors_cut_04/The_Vandhaal_Clash_with_the_Gibichungen_directors_cut_04.thumbs/Clash_nS_001260.jpg git-annex: The_Vandhaal_Clash_with_the_Gibichungen_directors_cut_04/The_Vandhaal_Clash_with_the_Gibichungen_directors_cut_04.thumbs/Clash_nS_001260.jpg already exists
16:00 πŸ”— underscor addurl dcme_promovideo/dcme_promovideo.thumbs/dcme_promovideo_000030.jpg git-annex: dcme_promovideo/dcme_promovideo.thumbs/dcme_promovideo_000030.jpg already exists
16:00 πŸ”— underscor addurl militia2_insane-quality/militia2_insane-quality_files.xml git-annex: militia2_insane-quality/militia2_insane-quality_files.xml already exists
16:00 πŸ”— underscor addurl warthog_revisited/warthog_revisited.thumbs/warthog_revisited_000090.jpg git-annex: warthog_revisited/warthog_revisited.thumbs/warthog_revisited_000090.jpg already exists
16:00 πŸ”— underscor git annex failed :(
16:00 πŸ”— underscor (and it stops)
16:00 πŸ”— closure repeated run I assume
16:00 πŸ”— underscor Yes
16:01 πŸ”— underscor I thought that was okay?
16:01 πŸ”— underscor Or do I need to pass a different flag?
16:01 πŸ”— closure yeah, not with the new --pathdepth
16:01 πŸ”— closure can be fixed I'm sure
16:01 πŸ”— underscor okay, cool
16:01 πŸ”— underscor Ooooh
16:01 πŸ”— underscor known annex keys: 401
16:01 πŸ”— underscor known annex size: 14 terabytes
16:04 πŸ”— underscor https://github.com/ab2525/ia-archiveteam-yahoovideo if you want to play with it
16:04 πŸ”— underscor (git-annex branch still pushing)
16:04 πŸ”— underscor ok, done
16:08 πŸ”— closure ok, fixed
16:14 πŸ”— underscor gracias
16:33 πŸ”— Schbirid underscor: s3cmd works easy but i cannot find any hint as how to use that multi-part stuff
16:33 πŸ”— Schbirid oh wait
16:33 πŸ”— Schbirid duh
16:33 πŸ”— Schbirid i installed 1.0.0 ;)
16:39 πŸ”— underscor hehe
16:40 πŸ”— underscor it should automatically kick in for files >15mb
16:40 πŸ”— underscor (once you have the beta)
16:40 πŸ”— Schbirid it does, says "part 1 of 7" but it does upload that with just 100kilobytes/s
16:44 πŸ”— Schbirid hm, finding nothing about simultanous uploads or so in the man page
16:44 πŸ”— Schbirid but usage is nice
16:46 πŸ”— underscor oh, hm
16:58 πŸ”— Schbirid SketchCow: http://www.archive.org/post/412199/please-delete :(
18:18 πŸ”— Schbirid eek, with that s3cmd and multipart upload the parts show up at the item's detail page during upload
18:20 πŸ”— SketchCow BACK
18:20 πŸ”— SketchCow Hey, they DID delete it.
18:20 πŸ”— SketchCow Weird.
18:21 πŸ”— Schbirid yeah, especially since it is still live at jamendo
18:22 πŸ”— Schbirid so by definition it should be free to share
18:24 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm going to go investigate.
18:26 πŸ”— SketchCow SHow me the original on jamendo if you could.
18:28 πŸ”— SketchCow No, wait, I found it.
18:28 πŸ”— SketchCow OK, that was done by the most awesome guy ever here, and so I don't want to just undo it.
18:28 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm going to ask him if there's a missing piece here, otherwise I will put it up again.
18:28 πŸ”— SketchCow It's not deleted, you understand.
18:31 πŸ”— Schbirid :)
18:51 πŸ”— SketchCow Jeff works so so so so hard.
18:51 πŸ”— SketchCow He's the true librarian of archive.org.
19:26 πŸ”— underscor Jeff is amazing
19:26 πŸ”— underscor archive.org wouldn't be nearly as smooth as it is without hi,
19:26 πŸ”— underscor s/,/m/
19:35 πŸ”— Schbirid http://www.videolan.org/vlc/releases/2.0.0.html
19:38 πŸ”— Bwaah native 10bit support will be useful
19:38 πŸ”— Bwaah i don't think i'll use it but it will stop people from asking
19:41 πŸ”— Nemo_bis it'a amazing how Jeff replies to ever weird problem I submit :-O
19:46 πŸ”— underscor Jeff's an awesome guy
19:46 πŸ”— underscor Fun to work with
19:47 πŸ”— nitro2k01 "New video outputs for Windows 7, Android, iOS and OS/2."
19:47 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Amazing that they still support OS/2
19:47 πŸ”— underscor haha
19:47 πŸ”— underscor yeah
19:47 πŸ”— Bwaah my eyes skimmed past that because i'm so used to seeing OS X
19:48 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Also amazing that there are new outputs for it
19:48 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Video APIs that no one discovered for 15 years?
19:49 πŸ”— nitro2k01 This is cool for those who need it "Continued support for X 10.5 and PPC users (1080p and ProRes on Dual-G5!)."
19:49 πŸ”— Bwaah yay open source~
19:49 πŸ”— Bwaah as long as there's a need for it someone will code it
19:49 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Open source sucks and open source rules
19:50 πŸ”— nitro2k01 It rules for big projects and sucks for small
19:50 πŸ”— Bwaah how does it possibly suck for small projects?
19:50 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Small projects tend to be abandoned and buggy
19:50 πŸ”— Bwaah they wouldn't be any better if they were closed source.
19:50 πŸ”— Bwaah small projects are small projects
19:51 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Maybe they would be slightly better if someone knew they could make half a living out of it
19:51 πŸ”— Bwaah maaybe
19:51 πŸ”— Bwaah that's their choice though starting out.
19:52 πŸ”— Bwaah i think someone that explicitly starts an open source project isn't looking for money, although it's always an incentive
19:53 πŸ”— nitro2k01 That's what I mean. "Ok, I'm probably never going to finish this program, but I'll just leave it here in case someone else will."
19:53 πŸ”— Bwaah better than ``I'm tired of working on this program, but since I want to sell it some day, I can't give the source away to someone that would work on it"
19:54 πŸ”— Bwaah in essence, you never know the amount of abandoned closed source projects
19:54 πŸ”— Bwaah if there's a program i like, but it's half-finished, at least it would help to have the source
20:16 πŸ”— Schbirid nrghgrnn, this will take 5 days to upload 45GB
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