#archiveteam 2012-03-09,Fri

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Time Nickname Message
01:57 🔗 Coderjoe umich data?
07:43 🔗 SketchCow Greets from Austin.
08:29 🔗 alard db48x`: pong (too late, probably).
08:45 🔗 SketchCow http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_v8Zg3RjUumY/S8HL1L26NRI/AAAAAAAACyA/Dn5qWwyQkWk/s1600/fey-palin-side-by-side2.jpg
08:45 🔗 SketchCow Still awesome
08:45 🔗 SketchCow alard: I've got a little more chat with Brewster
08:46 🔗 SketchCow It's late. To be clear, I am due some more chat with brewster.
09:01 🔗 alard SketchCow: Okay. Need more information?
09:20 🔗 SketchCow No, he just needs to make an internal decision.
09:25 🔗 alard Good.
10:13 🔗 nitro2k01 Here's an old photo of the book I mentioned a couple of days ago http://www.flickr.com/photos/gameboygenius/3140244360/in/photostream
10:13 🔗 nitro2k01 Also see the next and previous photo
10:13 🔗 nitro2k01 Spam: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gameboygenius/3140244380/in/photostream
10:13 🔗 nitro2k01 Terrorism: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gameboygenius/3140244352/in/photostream
10:25 🔗 Soojin that last one sure is prophetic
10:26 🔗 ersi nitro2k01: haha, awesome
10:26 🔗 nitro2k01 Well, yes and no. There's the 1993 bombings...
10:27 🔗 nitro2k01 "On February 26, 1993, at 12:17 p.m., a Ryder truck filled with 1,500 pounds (680 kg) of explosives, planted by Ramzi Yousef, detonated in the underground garage of the North Tower."
10:27 🔗 ersi It's a bit funny with 'huge events' that all other events magically disappear
10:27 🔗 Soojin ah right forgot about that one
12:31 🔗 Nemo_bis <soultcer> Nemo_bis, xz also lets you set most compression parameters
12:31 🔗 Nemo_bis do you also know how to do it efficiently from tar directly? piping doesn't seem very efficient
13:44 🔗 soultcer Why doesn't Piping seem efficient? It's the unix way to do things. Afaik you can only switch xz compression on or off from tar, but not change any parameters.
15:43 🔗 Schbirid any idea if i can make curl both print to stdout and save the content as file at the same time?
15:43 🔗 Schbirid i want to crawl something funny and it is in json and inside the json is the url of the next page
15:43 🔗 Schbirid (facebook comments9
15:45 🔗 Schbirid btw http://jumbofiles.com/ is a great free file host, you do not need cookies nor javascript to download from it
15:48 🔗 alard tee ?
15:53 🔗 balrog SketchCow: I hope you're aware of the potentially onerous license terms that come with the Kryoflux firmware and software, section 3.d of the license. True, the open-source library doesn't fall under these terms, but the license, as written, applies to all dumped images
15:53 🔗 balrog anyway, I have better things to do.
15:56 🔗 closure Schbirid: check out the tee command
15:58 🔗 Schbirid ayeaye
15:58 🔗 Schbirid thanks
16:04 🔗 Schbirid as much as i like the idea of ddg, its results are way too often utterly useless
16:04 🔗 Schbirid https://duckduckgo.com/html/?kp=-1&kh=1&kg=g&q=tee+curl+linux
16:15 🔗 SketchCow I am not aware.
16:16 🔗 SketchCow I wish I could say I paid attention to claims of ownership.
16:18 🔗 SketchCow I'd have helped me to tell me what those were, than dropping thelittle bomb (out of nowhere) and then moving on.
16:20 🔗 Nemo_bis soultcer, is piping 240 GB of stuff a good idea? (I don't know)
16:21 🔗 soultcer Nemo_bis: Piping any amount of data is fine. That's one of the fundamentals of unix. Instead of having one tool do everything, let multiple small tools each do their part
16:21 🔗 soultcer tar does not care if it writes to a file or stdout, they are both file descriptors
16:21 🔗 Nemo_bis ok
16:21 🔗 soultcer And xz does not care if it reads from a file or stdin. The only thing it can't do is display a progress bar, as it doesn't know the size of stdin, but everything else works fine
16:22 🔗 Nemo_bis (I love piping obviously)
16:23 🔗 SketchCow balrog_ph: Next time, just lay out the issue, instead of dropping a hankerchief of knowledge for me to pick up
16:23 🔗 alard (And for the progress bar there's pv.)
16:23 🔗 alard SketchCow: There was a link posted earlier. Scrolling up, here it is: http://pastie.org/private/jvczf6qllk4roih7s8isdg
16:24 🔗 soultcer Yes, though even pv needs to know about the size of the data, otherwise it only shows throughput only.
16:24 🔗 alard You can make your own estimate and give that to pv, right?
16:24 🔗 soultcer Yes
16:25 🔗 SketchCow hahaha, yeah, that's pretty onerous
16:25 🔗 SketchCow (As they say in the IRC world.)
16:26 🔗 soultcer Btw SketchCow, thanks for making urlte.am work again. I am currently seeding the torrent to at least one leecher ;-)
16:27 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, sorry it took so long.
16:28 🔗 SketchCow It was just some fuckery with dealing with the whole domain thing. It's now running under my umbrella, as soon will be all my major sites.
16:28 🔗 Schbirid wow, the facebook api is really terrible and unreliable
16:28 🔗 SketchCow (I mean as opposed to using dreamhost.)
16:28 🔗 soultcer I am happy if that means we finally get rid of the viagra spam
16:29 🔗 just_went hi
16:29 🔗 Schbirid hm, why does wget not retry after a 500
16:29 🔗 Schbirid hi
16:30 🔗 SketchCow wget has a setting for retry.
16:30 🔗 SketchCow Yes, that's the plan.
16:30 🔗 just_went speaking of wget....
16:30 🔗 Schbirid yeah, i set --tries=10 but apparently 500 does not count as worthy
16:31 🔗 just_went What happened to your MediaWiki: I just tried to download something and was spammed with viagra
16:32 🔗 Schbirid jason is not getting younger, you know!
16:32 🔗 Schbirid it is a known issue :(
16:32 🔗 just_went ohh ok :-(
16:32 🔗 balrog_ph LOL
16:32 🔗 Schbirid ok, with smaller requests facebook seems happy to serve
16:33 🔗 balrog_ph sorry I didn't respond, thanks alard for the departs
16:33 🔗 balrog_ph repaste*
16:33 🔗 balrog_ph Sometimes you lose track of things when you're on 100 channels :D
16:34 🔗 SketchCow Jesus, these groupies want you to go all night
16:35 🔗 SketchCow I figure make some cash on the side, two birds, one stone
16:35 🔗 just_went So making a long story short: Jason is maintaining the Wiki besides all his other projects ? (rly?!)
16:36 🔗 SketchCow It's not hard!
16:36 🔗 SketchCow It's just dreamhost is hacked.
16:36 🔗 SketchCow I need to do the big transfer, then we're in better shape.
16:36 🔗 balrog_ph Oh you were affected by the 777 too?
16:36 🔗 just_went Schbirid, is there anyone who had taken a closer look how this thing happened?
16:36 🔗 SketchCow I am now seeing accounts that I have specifically set up as honeypots get spam added.
16:36 🔗 SketchCow So I'm out
16:36 🔗 balrog_ph I think that was dreamhost
16:37 🔗 Schbirid i really have no idea
16:38 🔗 SketchCow They're awful
16:39 🔗 SketchCow All my static sites are going to my textfiles.com machine, which is mirrored
16:39 🔗 SketchCow so in disk failure, I'm down for a little but back again.
16:39 🔗 just_went SketchCow, oh thx, did not saw it right away
17:17 🔗 SketchCow OKAY HELLO
17:17 🔗 SketchCow So here's the deal.
17:18 🔗 SketchCow - Yes, we're going to restart the crawl, but I need to make a semi-automatic uploader
17:18 🔗 SketchCow - Brewster wants to get funding to store these items.
17:18 🔗 SketchCow - So I think a kickstarter might be in order
17:19 🔗 soultcer What crawl? MobileMe?
17:21 🔗 SketchCow Yes.
17:27 🔗 hybernaut so, would that mean abandoning the current crawl--or continue?
17:27 🔗 SketchCow It means going full bore
17:43 🔗 hybernaut I am happy to help with dev & infrastructure work on mobileme ][
17:45 🔗 alard SketchCow: Does that mean we also continue the s3 upload?
17:47 🔗 SketchCow Yes
17:48 🔗 alard Okay, that's good to hear. (It would help if they could improve the upload speed, by the way. I think the batcave proxy route is still faster.)
17:48 🔗 SketchCow We were asked by Sam to go the other way, and then help find the problem.
17:49 🔗 SketchCow And before you go NOT MY JOB, that place has almost nobody, I hope that's become clear
17:49 🔗 SketchCow I'd say... 9 people run technical things of any sort
17:50 🔗 ersi SketchCow: What do you mean by restart? >_>
17:51 🔗 SketchCow Resume, buttercup
17:52 🔗 alard By "go the other way" you mean use the batcave proxy, is that correct?
17:52 🔗 alard SketchCow: I'm sure they're doing their best. It's a weird problem. But I just wanted to mention that *if* they had fixed it, the fix didn't appear to work.
17:53 🔗 ersi SketchCow: That's better :]
17:53 🔗 SketchCow I want us to keep using batcave for a number of the machines
17:53 🔗 SketchCow While we're playing Where-the-fuck-is-the-probem, we shouldn't not use that channel.
17:53 🔗 SketchCow But we should also start others doing it through the general direct route, to help diagnose.
17:55 🔗 SketchCow A friend has checked all of Richard Stallman's tour riders into github
17:55 🔗 SketchCow So people can comment and find differences
17:55 🔗 chronomex hahaha
17:56 🔗 SketchCow chronomex: I'm heading to the conference center now. How about you?
17:56 🔗 chronomex SketchCow: I was stupid and left my rainjacket at home :P housemates are allegedly going to find a way to rei or something
17:58 🔗 chronomex I might just say fuckit and walk over anyway in a bit
17:58 🔗 SketchCow Well, I'll be hanging about there today
17:59 🔗 chronomex k
19:01 🔗 Coderjoe wait... wtf? (kryoflux license)
19:03 🔗 Coderjoe I can see that they most likely mean tools that deal with their custom image format, but it's still a dick move to close off all alternative tools.
19:09 🔗 DFJustin hmm statusboard.archive.org has been stuck on the same vibrator book for a day or more
19:10 🔗 ersi It likes that perticular book
19:23 🔗 balrog Coderjoe: I don't know who wrote that license. I am hoping here they change it to not restrict what can be done with formats. the annoying thing is that, well, it applies because you can only dump floppies with DTC, and even if you could use something else, you'd still need that firmware blob
19:24 🔗 Coderjoe but you don't have to write your images to their custom image format
19:25 🔗 alard DFJustin: Something got stuck. New books coming in now. (Thanks. :)
19:25 🔗 Coderjoe at which point, I don't think 3d.ii doesn't apply
19:25 🔗 Coderjoe er
19:25 🔗 Coderjoe s/doesn't apply/applies/
19:25 🔗 Coderjoe or s/applies/is applicable/
19:30 🔗 balrog Coderjoe: the device reads the images into their custom STREAM format
19:30 🔗 balrog their software can convert it to a bunch of formats, but none of them flux
19:32 🔗 balrog 3d.ii may not apply for other reasons, but that would have to be determined by a lawyer. and this license specifically excludes commercial or institutional (this includes school or museum) use
21:09 🔗 Nemo_bis soultcer, I suspect that my piping killed the server by filling /tmp
21:36 🔗 Nemo_bis http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/03/09/transfer-of-wikipedia-sites-from-godaddy-complete/
21:37 🔗 dnova longest domain transfer ever
21:38 🔗 Nemo_bis Well, they have hundreds of domains.
22:09 🔗 SketchCow Hurrah, I'm in thatr fucking lobby.
22:21 🔗 SketchCow FUCKING LOBBY
22:22 🔗 SketchCow I do agree that the thing is henious, balrog - but I really, really can't get worked up over it.
22:22 🔗 balrog SketchCow: all right then
22:22 🔗 balrog I just want it to be better known before people lock themselves in
22:22 🔗 SketchCow Yeah.
22:38 🔗 Coderjoe since I already have the hardware and crap, I'll just continue using it and just fight it if they try suing me
22:39 🔗 Coderjoe I liken it to an optical scanner manufacturer trying to limit what you can do with their scanner
22:40 🔗 balrog hah, yeah
22:40 🔗 balrog idk in this case
22:40 🔗 balrog I'll tell you, I have their hardware
22:40 🔗 Coderjoe it might require somre cleanroom development of additional tools, however
22:40 🔗 Coderjoe and sadly, I can't participate in that
22:41 🔗 balrog that's ok
22:44 🔗 balrog we'll figure something out
23:29 🔗 Ymgve SketchCow: google things your site may be compromised
23:31 🔗 Ymgve and it is
23:35 🔗 Ymgve but apparently only if you click through from google, weird
23:39 🔗 ersi Ymgve:y
23:39 🔗 ersi Ymgve: Your site being archiveteam.org? If so, old news and it's gonna get fixed any time there is time
23:39 🔗 Ymgve ascii.textfiles.com
23:43 🔗 Ymgve they seem to be hosted on the same server, so probably any sites on that server

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