#archiveteam 2012-03-10,Sat

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04:02 πŸ”— Coderjoe Ymgve: yes. dreamhost sucks
04:27 πŸ”— db48x``` ugh. I hate spring
04:27 πŸ”— db48x``` we need to get rid of pollen
05:18 πŸ”— SketchCow I do agreGoogle is of course right.
05:19 πŸ”— SketchCow kjdlkjdfg
05:25 πŸ”— SketchCow Well, Balrog, if you were trying to make sure I was aware Kryoflux is a "problem", you've done it.
05:25 πŸ”— balrog ok...
05:26 πŸ”— balrog just so you know, the past week, which was supposed to be my spring break, turned out busier than most
05:26 πŸ”— balrog so I'm rather tired in any case
05:27 πŸ”— balrog and my major interest is hard drives. and disk packs.
05:27 πŸ”— balrog reading those things is gonna be fun. </sarcasm>
05:28 πŸ”— balrog these are things similar enough, and in some cases identical, to the Cray 1 disk pack that was dumped
05:32 πŸ”— SketchCow Excellent.
05:33 πŸ”— SketchCow That whole thing went well too, once I jumped out of it.
05:33 πŸ”— balrog well the difference with these is that the on-disk format is at least well documented
05:33 πŸ”— balrog DEC was extremely good at that part.
05:34 πŸ”— balrog among other things, we're currently working on RLL decoding for hard drives
05:34 πŸ”— balrog SketchCow: how far did the on-disk-format decoding go?
05:34 πŸ”— SketchCow The cray thing? They got very far.
05:34 πŸ”— balrog A friend of mine still thinks that one of the tracks wasn't fully dumped but I have to ask him for details
05:35 πŸ”— balrog did they manage to decode the filesystem?
05:35 πŸ”— balrog yes, the cray thing
05:35 πŸ”— SketchCow Chris would have to say
05:35 πŸ”— balrog the hardware that Cray used was relatively common
05:35 πŸ”— balrog we have to have at least a dozen such disk packs
05:35 πŸ”— balrog the big 4 or 5 platter type
05:36 πŸ”— SketchCow http://chrisfenton.com/cray-1-digital-archeology/
05:36 πŸ”— balrog I saw all that :)
05:36 πŸ”— balrog I really liked how he used a custom FPGA-based device to sample it, and his own stepper
05:37 πŸ”— balrog that gave me the idea, that it might be possible to make a servowriter for the RL-01/02 drives (though that's not preservation related)
05:37 πŸ”— balrog anyway he does say "Head_4_data.zip (It looks like the first 20 or so tracks are missing. These may be recaptured later.)"
05:37 πŸ”— balrog was this ever done?
05:39 πŸ”— balrog anyway my main interest in the disk packs we have here though, is that they may contain ancient historical software and information.
05:40 πŸ”— balrog Many of them are original DEC software packages. Many are backups from years and years ago.
05:41 πŸ”— dnova where is "here"
05:41 πŸ”— balrog a university in philadelphia pa
05:42 πŸ”— dnova awesome.
05:42 πŸ”— balrog dnova: are you nearby?
05:42 πŸ”— dnova I'm in buffalo so not really
05:42 πŸ”— balrog ahh :/
05:42 πŸ”— balrog I wouldn't be surprised if this is one of the larger DEC hoards in the area
05:42 πŸ”— dnova would love to se that
05:43 πŸ”— balrog a little hardware, mostly software and docs.
05:43 πŸ”— balrog and when it comes to docs Ҁ¦ it's a little ridiculous
05:43 πŸ”— balrog I went out and got a scanner specifically for that but I'm afraid even that's gonna be tough
05:43 πŸ”— balrog :/
05:44 πŸ”— balrog at least I do have a hard drive now so I can dump stuff as I work on it
05:44 πŸ”— balrog SketchCow: when it comes to uploading archived data, what is the best way?
05:44 πŸ”— chronomex yum, data helicopters
05:44 πŸ”— balrog raw scans at 40mb per page may be a problem :<
05:44 πŸ”— chronomex hooray, spinning rust
05:45 πŸ”— chronomex balrog: lossless (deflated) tiffs help a lot
05:45 πŸ”— balrog these ARE deflated.
05:45 πŸ”— chronomex down to 40-60% of original usually
05:45 πŸ”— chronomex o
05:45 πŸ”— balrog the reason for the size is my insistence on using 600dpi for technical drawings to preserve edge detail
05:45 πŸ”— chronomex wander over to your local uni library reading room and plug in?
05:45 πŸ”— chronomex aye
05:45 πŸ”— balrog usually I postprocess with -levels and then knock down to 4bit which cuts sizes to more like 4mb per page
05:46 πŸ”— balrog but bleh manual labor
05:46 πŸ”— chronomex I'm scanning 300dpi/256gray
05:46 πŸ”— balrog what kind of documents?
05:46 πŸ”— balrog for text, that's fine
05:46 πŸ”— balrog for technical drawings with fine line-art detail, not so good
05:47 πŸ”— chronomex text, halftoned photos ( :( ), ok drawings
05:47 πŸ”— balrog halftone is fun
05:47 πŸ”— balrog my scanner though, it's able to scan halftone without moire pattenrs
05:47 πŸ”— balrog patterns*
05:47 πŸ”— chronomex most of my stuff is 2gen photoscopy anyway
05:47 πŸ”— balrog it's also got an awesome depth of field
05:47 πŸ”— chronomex hmmm
05:47 πŸ”— balrog stick a circuit board on the glass, scan, nearly completely in focus
05:47 πŸ”— chronomex I also have 20 pallets of paper total
05:48 πŸ”— balrog tried that with a cheap scanner. might as well use a camera there
05:48 πŸ”— chronomex yeah
05:48 πŸ”— balrog paper to scan?
05:48 πŸ”— chronomex mhm
05:48 πŸ”— balrog well, I don't quite have that much I don't think, but it's gotta be close;
05:48 πŸ”— balrog and most of it is 11x17"
05:48 πŸ”— chronomex heh
05:48 πŸ”— chronomex have a sheetfeeder?
05:48 πŸ”— balrog of course.
05:48 πŸ”— chronomex phew
05:48 πŸ”— chronomex what kind?
05:48 πŸ”— balrog this is an Epson GT-15000 with feeder
05:48 πŸ”— balrog got it for a steal on ebay
05:49 πŸ”— balrog the only kind that the 15000 has
05:49 πŸ”— balrog a large commercial-quality belt-feed
05:49 πŸ”— chronomex nice
05:49 πŸ”— chronomex I only hbave rollers
05:49 πŸ”— chronomex wtf why am I on irc
05:49 πŸ”— balrog still, an 11x17" scan takes 90sec
05:49 πŸ”— balrog why, late?
05:50 πŸ”— chronomex im drinkikng on the sidewalk at austin tx
05:50 πŸ”— balrog lolol
05:50 πŸ”— chronomex should ogle the hipster boys or something
05:50 πŸ”— balrog haha
05:51 πŸ”— balrog SketchCow: if you have any input in regards to uploading, I'd appreciate it. I can't afford to send my own hard drives out (even temporarily) atm :-(
05:51 πŸ”— chronomex lame :\
05:51 πŸ”— balrog this 3TB cost me about $240
05:51 πŸ”— balrog :<
05:51 πŸ”— balrog or was it $190
05:51 πŸ”— balrog still annoyingly expensive
05:53 πŸ”— balrog I do have access to 100Mbit internet
05:53 πŸ”— balrog still, 40mb per page is a lot even with that
05:55 πŸ”— dnova I have some 40mb QIC tapes; you could put one page on each tape (this will take around an hour) and then mail them to SketchCow who will then copy the images off and upload to them to the archive.
05:59 πŸ”— balrog hahahahaha
05:59 πŸ”— balrog that reminds me
05:59 πŸ”— balrog we have stuff on DDS tapes too
05:59 πŸ”— balrog at least for that, the drives are readily available
05:59 πŸ”— balrog dectape and dectape II and dec magtape and the other magtape formatsҀ¦ I sorta don't want to think about it
06:00 πŸ”— balrog :<
06:13 πŸ”— nitro2k01 In case anyone cares, these nicks: goldielox (<- in here right now) EstaTiC npt_ carl_ faalhaas are most most likely bots of some kind
06:14 πŸ”— shaqfu balrog: Raiding Drexel?
06:14 πŸ”— balrog temple
06:14 πŸ”— balrog :[p
06:14 πŸ”— balrog :p *
06:14 πŸ”— nitro2k01 They idle in a lot of very random channels, which rotate a lot
06:14 πŸ”— balrog shaqfu: you're nearby?
06:14 πŸ”— shaqfu I'm surprised; I would've figured the engineering school would've had it
06:14 πŸ”— shaqfu balrog: Jersey, yeah
06:14 πŸ”— balrog not engineering
06:14 πŸ”— balrog comp sci
06:14 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Never say anything, never answer when highlighted
06:14 πŸ”— shaqfu True
06:14 πŸ”— shaqfu I didn't even know Temple had a CS program
06:15 πŸ”— balrog they have CS and IST and ECE
06:15 πŸ”— balrog among others
06:15 πŸ”— balrog back in the day they have a ton of DEC hardware
06:15 πŸ”— balrog almost unbelievable
06:16 πŸ”— shaqfu Yeah
06:16 πŸ”— balrog and since the sysadmin hates trashing stuffҀ¦
06:17 πŸ”— shaqfu Just stuff they had sitting in the sysadmin's office, or old manuals out of their library?
06:18 πŸ”— balrog uhm what do you mean?
06:18 πŸ”— dnova I like your sysadmin.
06:18 πŸ”— shaqfu balrog: Where were they?
06:18 πŸ”— balrog shaqfu: a few hundred disk packs with all kinds of stuff.
06:18 πŸ”— shaqfu Ah, gotcha
06:18 πŸ”— balrog throughout the comp sci department
06:18 πŸ”— balrog shaqfu: a room full of documentation, packed tight
06:18 πŸ”— dnova those disk packs are very valuable to collectors
06:19 πŸ”— dnova maybe it's best if you keep that information from the sysadmin
06:19 πŸ”— balrog dnova: what do you mean?
06:19 πŸ”— balrog what I want to do is preserve them properly
06:19 πŸ”— dnova people pay a lot of money for those.
06:19 πŸ”— balrog I'm not looking for money.
06:19 πŸ”— balrog and he isn't either.
06:19 πŸ”— dnova right
06:19 πŸ”— dnova nevermind.
06:19 πŸ”— balrog now would I sell them, if I'm sure they're dumped right? /maybe/
06:20 πŸ”— balrog but that's besides the point
06:20 πŸ”— balrog anyway
06:21 πŸ”— balrog the vast majority of the disk packs are RK-05, RL-01, and RL-02.
06:21 πŸ”— balrog I'm pretty sure there are some RK-06 as well, and there are also the larger multiplatter disk-packs Ҁ” RM-03, RM-05
06:21 πŸ”— balrog R-05 is similar to that Cray disk pack.
06:21 πŸ”— balrog there are also non-DEC branded disk packs, including CDC ones
06:22 πŸ”— balrog RM-05**
06:22 πŸ”— dnova how many are there in total
06:23 πŸ”— balrog disks?
06:23 πŸ”— dnova packs
06:23 πŸ”— balrog that's what I meand
06:24 πŸ”— balrog MANY RK-05 (probably well over a hundred), somewhere around 50 RL-01, around 20 or so RL-02, and several of the larger ones and other types
06:24 πŸ”— balrog I wanted to try to get the easy stuff first
06:24 πŸ”— balrog but none of it is easy, lol
06:24 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Correction with regard to my list above, npt_ is NOT a bot
06:25 πŸ”— dnova balrog: that collection could be worth around $5,000 as a quick sale in a lot.
06:25 πŸ”— balrog dnova: at least
06:25 πŸ”— dnova NOT that I am saying you should sell it.
06:25 πŸ”— dnova just, ehm... call me if you plan to sell.
06:25 πŸ”— balrog that's not counting the nearly intact straight-8
06:25 πŸ”— balrog which I want to fully restore
06:26 πŸ”— balrog in its heyday, there were three VAX 11/780s, a VAX 11/785, two 11/750s, and a variety of PDP-8s, 9s, 10s, 11s, 12s, and 15s
06:27 πŸ”— balrog and even at least one LINC-8
06:27 πŸ”— balrog so chances are high there's software for some of the rarer ones in here.
06:31 πŸ”— balrog anyway as I said, I'm not interested in selling.
06:31 πŸ”— balrog if I do sell things, it will be piece by piece, after data is dumped/preserved
06:31 πŸ”— balrog dnova: ^
06:31 πŸ”— dnova yes
06:31 πŸ”— dnova call me when that happens
06:32 πŸ”— balrog however, I would rather donate to CHM, whatever they want.
06:33 πŸ”— dnova well I mean, just don't be surprised when me and my mercenaries hijack the truck full of your donation
06:33 πŸ”— dnova I'll send along a portion of it to the CHM for you though. I'm not entirely heartless.
06:34 πŸ”— balrog I'd prefer to deal with Al directly first
06:35 πŸ”— balrog I know they're in need of certain particular things
13:43 πŸ”— SketchCow Man, SXSW....
13:43 πŸ”— SketchCow I tell you, there's no less than 24 tracks. TWENTY FOUR SIMULTANEOUS TALKS AT ONCE
13:43 πŸ”— SketchCow Do they record them for history? Maybe.
13:50 πŸ”— SketchCow I spent some time going over the numbers.
13:50 πŸ”— SketchCow Seriously, the answer is hard drives, not tape.
13:57 πŸ”— ersi How often is these SXSWXESES events really?
13:57 πŸ”— ersi Feels like I hear about them aaaall the time
14:03 πŸ”— human39 Does the music festival happen in parallel also?
14:10 πŸ”— SketchCow Basically, Friday (9th) through about next Tuesday is SXSWi (Interactive)
14:11 πŸ”— SketchCow At the same time, overlapping, is film, both films being screened as well as film panels.
14:11 πŸ”— SketchCow With some going as far as thursday, friday
14:11 πŸ”— SketchCow Next Thursday, music begins, that goes for another week.
14:11 πŸ”— SketchCow Now, to give you a size of this clusterfuck.
14:11 πŸ”— SketchCow Interactive has 2,661 panelists. PANELISTS.
14:43 πŸ”— SketchCow Hosting for new archiveteam.org paid up.
14:45 πŸ”— SketchCow By no means READY yet, but up.
14:48 πŸ”— ersi A medium sized step ^^_
14:49 πŸ”— ersi Shout if you need some help migrating that
14:49 πŸ”— SketchCow I will DEFINITELY need help migrating it.
14:49 πŸ”— ersi Mr joggle five thousand tasks a day
14:50 πŸ”— ersi one knows you're up to a lot of stuff when you don't got time to write in here haha
14:51 πŸ”— SketchCow It's an excellent indicator.
14:52 πŸ”— ersi Hear hear
16:27 πŸ”— SketchCow OK, the archive team DB has been dumped.
16:54 πŸ”— hybernaut Jason, I'm interested in building a new more-featured downloader for MobileMe in a language that isn't Effing Bash
16:55 πŸ”— hybernaut I know that's not where your head is at right this minute
16:55 πŸ”— hybernaut but get back to me when it's a good time for you
17:00 πŸ”— alard hybernaut: Which features does it miss?
17:00 πŸ”— alard (Other than 'not being bash'. :)
17:01 πŸ”— hybernaut my rsync gets interrupted, and I have to rerun it manually, then notify the tracker manually
17:01 πŸ”— hybernaut so I've been hacking away at it to do things like resume
17:01 πŸ”— hybernaut specify download and upload bw limits
17:02 πŸ”— hybernaut minor stuff like that
17:02 πŸ”— hybernaut so of course, I don't mean "your code is shit because I prefer some other language"
17:02 πŸ”— hybernaut that would be unintentionally rude 8^)
17:02 πŸ”— alard Heh.
17:04 πŸ”— alard Doesn't the upload script already do resuming?
17:04 πŸ”— hybernaut I guess mostly the tool's used on a server, and I'm trying to use it on my laptop
17:05 πŸ”— hybernaut the seesaw script doesn't seem to resume well--maybe I should read the uploader more closely
17:06 πŸ”— alard Maybe it's better not to use the seesaw script, then, on your laptop. You can also run dld-client and upload-finished.
17:06 πŸ”— hybernaut yea, that would be much smarter, thanks
17:06 πŸ”— hybernaut ok, can I start over?
17:06 πŸ”— alard If you hack the download script a little, it should be possible to set the wget bandwith limits.
17:07 πŸ”— hybernaut Hey guys, I'm not sure I'm doing this right--what's the best way to run this on my laptop?
17:07 πŸ”— alard Start over? I think you can just continue.
17:07 πŸ”— alard I'd run one or more ./dld-client.sh 's.
17:07 πŸ”— hybernaut I looked at the scripts a little and I know a little, but I should ask for help instead of deciding to rewrite the whole thing!
17:07 πŸ”— hybernaut (I meant restart the conversation)
17:07 πŸ”— alard Ah, okay. :)
17:08 πŸ”— hybernaut IRC amplifies my natural stupidity
17:08 πŸ”— alard Rewriting something that already exists isn't always the most efficient solution. There may be other projects worth working on.
17:08 πŸ”— alard :)
17:09 πŸ”— alard If you edit the dld-me-com.sh script you can add --limit-rate=RATE to the various wget calls.
17:09 πŸ”— hybernaut yea, I have done that
17:09 πŸ”— hybernaut thanks
17:10 πŸ”— alard And then run upload-finished.sh, in a loop, if you want.
17:11 πŸ”— alard If you're looking for a programming project to work on: Google Knol needs saving.
17:12 πŸ”— alard (But it's really annoying to download.)
17:12 πŸ”— hybernaut is there a project started yet?
17:12 πŸ”— alard #knol
17:12 πŸ”— alard #klol
17:12 πŸ”— alard sorry
17:13 πŸ”— alard http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Knol
17:14 πŸ”— hybernaut thx
17:15 πŸ”— alard There's no download script yet. I've started a little bit, a while ago, but it's really, really annoying.
17:15 πŸ”— SketchCow Archiveteam Wiki db dumped, now imported into new DB
17:15 πŸ”— alard hybernaut: Another project, there may be interesting public documents on iwork.com.
17:16 πŸ”— hybernaut I saw the iWork closing announcement yesterday
17:24 πŸ”— SketchCow Research it, hybernaut
17:24 πŸ”— SketchCow This is your chance to shine
17:24 πŸ”— * SketchCow throws a knife between hybernaut and alard
17:24 πŸ”— SketchCow Make it fast
17:25 πŸ”— hybernaut SketchCow: which one?
17:25 πŸ”— chronomex either
17:29 πŸ”— ersi Looks like there's nothing public on iWork.com that we could fetch for it's users
17:29 πŸ”— db48x apparently this dsl modem/router is terrible
17:29 πŸ”— ersi and the announcement says that a lot of the data is now in iCloud or have been for a while
17:30 πŸ”— chronomex lies
17:30 πŸ”— db48x I'm running four copies of the fortune city downloader and now it drops connections a lot
17:32 πŸ”— ersi chronomex: perhaps, but I don't find any public facing iWork data
17:32 πŸ”— chronomex mmm
17:32 πŸ”— alard https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Apublic.iwork.com
17:32 πŸ”— chronomex sucko
17:32 πŸ”— alard https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Apublic.iwork.com#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=http:%2F%2Fpublic.iwork.com&oq=http:%2F%2Fpublic.iwork.com&aq=f&aqi=g-l1g-vC1&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=5925l6776l0l6992l7l7l0l0l0l2l141l570l5.2l7l0&gs_l=serp.3..0i13j0i15i33.5925l6776l0l6993l7l7l0l0l0l2l141l570l5j2l7l0&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=6cfeb4bc8f72d1c6&biw=1287&bih=1034
17:32 πŸ”— ersi Hm!
17:33 πŸ”— alard It will probably take a bit of work to track down the links, though.
17:34 πŸ”— alard And anyway, it may be even fun to say "we saved all of the public iWork data, here it is, 100MB".
17:34 πŸ”— db48x :)
17:37 πŸ”— chronomex that would be funny
17:39 πŸ”— SketchCow Now to play "how do I get mediawiki on the new shared server"
17:45 πŸ”— balrog hah, mediawiki. fun.
18:07 πŸ”— hybernaut I have yet to find a iWork public doc that also exists on iCloud--anyone found one yet?
18:35 πŸ”— soultcer db48x: Is there a wiki page about fortunecity?
18:38 πŸ”— soultcer db48x: Is there a wiki page about fortunecity?
18:38 πŸ”— db48x soultcer: yes
18:38 πŸ”— db48x http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=FortuneCity
18:39 πŸ”— soultcer Now I feel stupid for not finding that. When you type Fortune in the search bar, it only finds some twitter stuff
18:39 πŸ”— db48x yea :(
18:39 πŸ”— db48x tracker is at http://focity.heroku.com/, and the irc channel is #fortuneshitty
18:45 πŸ”— asiekierk hey guys
18:45 πŸ”— asiekierk i found out a polish file hosting site, przeklej.pl, is turning off in 10 days (March 20th 2012)
18:45 πŸ”— asiekierk http://przeklej.pl/
18:45 πŸ”— asiekierk sadly it doesn't even support public files anymore
20:39 πŸ”— SketchCow Good news: The wiki is up
20:41 πŸ”— balrog it is :)
20:42 πŸ”— SketchCow I mean the new wiki
20:42 πŸ”— SketchCow The no-spyware special.
20:43 πŸ”— balrog oh?
20:43 πŸ”— balrog hah
20:44 πŸ”— balrog wow, how this happened? dreamhost?
20:46 πŸ”— SketchCow I dumped dreamhost.
20:47 πŸ”— SketchCow The dumping is taking a little while, for something like that.
20:53 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Some nicks in here are some form of bot
20:54 πŸ”— nitro2k01 They join channels, idle and never respond when you talk to them
20:54 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Different IP addresses/hosts, but same client
20:54 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Exactly: bitchx-75p2: <linux: 2.6.26-2-openvz-amd64>: osmosis <v0.8c> : Keep it to yourself!
20:54 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Not sure if they logging bots, evil bots or something else
20:55 πŸ”— nitro2k01 But in another channel I'm in I've taken the habit of banning them on sight
20:56 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Some of the nicks used for this: goldielox EstaTiC carl_ faalhaas
20:59 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Oh and another thing, these nicks cycle through exactly 9 channels. Part from one channel and immediately join a different one.
21:50 πŸ”— ersi nitro2k01: meh, care if they're bots or not
21:50 πŸ”— ersi This is all logged and archived anyway
22:44 πŸ”— dnova was kind of miserable and snowy on friday
22:44 πŸ”— dnova tomrrow 54, wednesday 66
22:44 πŸ”— dnova shit's whack
23:28 πŸ”— ersi Hehe, we filled up fos
23:28 πŸ”— ersi SketchCow: ^
23:30 πŸ”— alard Hurrah!
23:32 πŸ”— db48x looks like fos if full
23:32 πŸ”— db48x is
23:32 πŸ”— ersi Yupp, it is
23:33 πŸ”— db48x must not have had a lot of space, if less than 280 GB filled it
23:33 πŸ”— alard Well, it does get bits of mobileme.
23:36 πŸ”— ersi db48x: less than 200GB? You're not alone on fos
23:43 πŸ”— db48x ersi: yea, yea :)
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