#archiveteam 2012-03-25,Sun

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02:04 πŸ”— icysands Anyway...
03:00 πŸ”— shaqfu SketchCow: ping? I found some volunteers for BitSavers; should I forward them to you?
03:56 πŸ”— LordNlptp bitsavers? in what way does it need volunteers?
03:56 πŸ”— LordNlptp mirror on archive.org?
03:58 πŸ”— shaqfu LordNlptp: Metadata for it
03:58 πŸ”— chronomex bitsavers is quite metadata-poor
03:59 πŸ”— LordNlptp ah
03:59 πŸ”— shaqfu I've been slacking terribly, but found two people interseted in working on it
04:26 πŸ”— SketchCow shaqfu: Yes please
04:26 πŸ”— SketchCow We need to coordinate, though
04:26 πŸ”— SketchCow Your action have been awesome
04:26 πŸ”— SketchCow I have all the stuff in
04:29 πŸ”— shaqfu SketchCow: Awesome, thanks
04:30 πŸ”— SketchCow Do you have the RSS feed for new items?
04:30 πŸ”— shaqfu Nope
04:30 πŸ”— SketchCow http://archive.org/services/collection-rss.php?collection=bitsavers
04:31 πŸ”— shaqfu SketchCow: While I have your attention, what's up with those Apple .ima files?
04:31 πŸ”— SketchCow Ignore them
04:31 πŸ”— shaqfu k
04:31 πŸ”— SketchCow Just keep going
04:31 πŸ”— shaqfu Wasn't sure if you wanted them mounted/read or w/e
04:31 πŸ”— SketchCow My stuff tracks, I can go later and go "so, what did we skip"
04:32 πŸ”— shaqfu Gotcha
04:34 πŸ”— shaqfu I'll tell them to contact you, then
05:14 πŸ”— LordNlptp afaik .ima files are dc42 images, are they not?
05:15 πŸ”— LordNlptp disk copy 4.2
05:16 πŸ”— shaqfu Dunno; I'd have to grab them and run them through file
05:16 πŸ”— shaqfu Worst case, there's always Basilisk
05:18 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm fine with you just moving through things as you go.
05:19 πŸ”— shaqfu I know; just answering LordNlptp's question
06:18 πŸ”— kennethre SketchCow: re: MESS in a browser Ҁ” glorious
06:44 πŸ”— dnova it crashes ff11 for me
06:44 πŸ”— DFJustin known issue with firefox, chrome works
08:01 πŸ”— BlueMax ...wait...waitwaitwait. MESS...the emulator MESS?
08:04 πŸ”— kennethre BlueMax: yes!
08:05 πŸ”— BlueMax ...in a BROWSER?
08:05 πŸ”— BlueMax ARE. YOU. ALL. INSANE?!
08:05 πŸ”— kennethre BlueMax: you'd be crazy *not* to do it
08:05 πŸ”— chronomex BlueMax: yes!
08:06 πŸ”— BlueMax How the hell does that...WHAT
08:06 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor BlueMax: Brute force and lubricant.
08:07 πŸ”— chronomex javascript is turing complete, when properly lubricated any program will run on any other computer.
08:07 πŸ”— BlueMax You would NEED lubricant and brute force to get MESS of all things working in a browser.
08:07 πŸ”— BlueMax It just...boggles my mind!
08:07 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Welcome to 2012. :)
08:08 πŸ”— BlueMax ...end of the world. I knew it.
08:08 πŸ”— BlueMax This project will destroy the world.
08:10 πŸ”— BlueMax ...how is it coming along?
08:11 πŸ”— DFJustin nah it won't destroy the world yet, mess can run inside of mess though so that probably would
08:13 πŸ”— BlueMax use wget to download wget, break the internet
08:13 πŸ”— chronomex build gcc
08:13 πŸ”— DFJustin the demo was made by hand-hacking the javascript produced by emscripten, I'm working on making it actually compile into a working form
08:14 πŸ”— BlueMax How many of MESSes several hundred testicles will it support?
08:16 πŸ”— DFJustin the javascript file is 16MB just with colecovision, we can probably bring that down through various methods but I think it's gonna have to be one version per system for the time being
08:17 πŸ”— DFJustin but if it works for one it should work for any, although speed isn't gonna be fun for some things
08:19 πŸ”— BlueMax I can imagine
08:19 πŸ”— BlueMax Anyway, don't create any black holes on us
11:47 πŸ”— Coderjoe DFJustin: what are chances of having it split up, so different common bits are in different js files, and which ones get pulled in is dependent on options (such as different processor modules, input, output, etc)?
14:08 πŸ”— Nemo_bis are there more collections like http://archive.org/details/prelingerhomemovies ?
14:08 πŸ”— Nemo_bis I just wrote to an Italian archive collecting such home movies on the whole country
14:14 πŸ”— Nemo_bis Almost 9000 theatre books in PDF: http://www.mediabrera.it/cataloghi/catalogo_rd.php (click "cerca")
14:15 πŸ”— Nemo_bis http://www.mediabrera.it/risorse/dire.php 300 books
15:30 πŸ”— SketchCow Hi.
15:30 πŸ”— SketchCow Coderjoe: That's one of the plans.
15:55 πŸ”— SketchCow http://jsmess.textfiles.com/ also provides mess.js as a .gz, so it's only 2.3mb
15:57 πŸ”— SketchCow Something's wrong with archive.org's uploader.
15:57 πŸ”— SketchCow I lost some stuff due to it breaking in a new awesome way.
15:58 πŸ”— ersi Always good to find those breakages, always bad to lose datas
16:00 πŸ”— SketchCow Well, the mobileme site is still up.
16:00 πŸ”— SketchCow So that's good.
16:00 πŸ”— ersi Yupp yupp
16:28 πŸ”— Nemo_bis The download rate is quite low now compared to some previous peaks.
16:33 πŸ”— ersi Yay, I'm over 2TB~
18:16 πŸ”— balrog_ LordNlptp: not sure
18:16 πŸ”— balrog_ shaqfu: send me one
18:16 πŸ”— balrog_ and I don't think file can identify dc42
18:21 πŸ”— LordNlptp dc42 doesn't have a magic number in header
18:22 πŸ”— LordNlptp but it does have one at a weird offset
18:40 πŸ”— shaqfu balrog_: http://www.textfiles.com/bitsavers/pdf/apple/lisa/toolkit_3.0/ima/
18:41 πŸ”— balrog_ shaqfu: those better be dc42 or they're useless
18:41 πŸ”— balrog_ can you read a header in hex?
18:41 πŸ”— balrog_ if you can, look at this http://68kmla.org/wiki/DiskCopy_4.2_format_specification
18:41 πŸ”— balrog_ mainly look for the name, the checksums, and the 01 00
18:41 πŸ”— balrog_ also lisa images must have tag data
18:42 πŸ”— balrog_ scroll to the end of the file and see if there's a characteristic pattern
18:57 πŸ”— shaqfu balrog_: What's the command for that? xxd?
19:00 πŸ”— shaqfu And yeah, it has the magic number
19:03 πŸ”— SketchCow The archive.org problem's been fixed.
19:04 πŸ”— ersi Mmmh, my link crawler is progressing slowly ^_^
19:18 πŸ”— tef_ ersi: hmmmmmm ?
19:33 πŸ”— ersi hehe, knew you'd be interested
19:33 πŸ”— underscor http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/audio.wnyc.org/otm/otm032312f.mp3
19:34 πŸ”— underscor Archiveteam in the news
19:34 πŸ”— ersi tef_: just learning the ropes on crawling a little - I started reading through your github/tef/crawler, but decided on starting on my own at first
19:34 πŸ”— chronomex shaqfu: yes, xxd is un-hexdump
19:34 πŸ”— ersi For a direct link to underscor's material without the redirect: http://audio.wnyc.org/otm/otm032312f.mp3
19:35 πŸ”— underscor ersi: thanks
19:35 πŸ”— underscor Sorry, hehe
19:36 πŸ”— ersi no problem :)
19:36 πŸ”— tef_ ersi: excellent - my code is terrible :D
19:36 πŸ”— ersi tef_: if we compare code, mine's a lot more aweful
19:36 πŸ”— tef_ pfft
19:36 πŸ”— tef_ I should know better :v
19:36 πŸ”— ersi but I'm working on getting better
19:37 πŸ”— ersi oh yeah, I should fork and push my changes of your crawler to github :p
19:42 πŸ”— tef_ :D
19:45 πŸ”— ersi What's code that's not in any function called? Just 'global' like the scope?
19:45 πŸ”— ersi wondering if it has a name at all
19:47 πŸ”— tef_ top level ?
19:47 πŸ”— tef_ tbh it usually means that you're writing a script, not a module
19:47 πŸ”— tef_ so you just reffer to the code as a whole, differently
19:48 πŸ”— ersi yeah, hm. alright
20:06 πŸ”— * Aranje listens to archiveteam in the news
20:11 πŸ”— DFJustin oh wow I didn't realize the js would gzip that well
20:11 πŸ”— DFJustin in that case we could make it downright svelte with emscripten's lzma support
20:12 πŸ”— DFJustin the browser still has to load and parse all that stuff though so it will still need to be kept down, for example even with just coleco chrome dies on it unless you closure-optimize it because it hits their 32,767-variable limit
20:15 πŸ”— ersi Mmmh, what are you hackin' on?
20:15 πŸ”— DFJustin http://jsmess.textfiles.com/
20:15 πŸ”— ersi ah
20:16 πŸ”— ersi nice, that hangs Firefox for me
20:16 πŸ”— DFJustin yep https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=735974
20:17 πŸ”— ersi sweet, it unhang
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