#archiveteam 2012-03-29,Thu

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00:21 πŸ”— chronomex oh my god, git-annex is amazing
00:22 πŸ”— chronomex this is the revolution in fucking with gigantic piles of files that I've been waiting for
02:06 πŸ”— underscor chronomex: I KNOW RIGHT?!?!?! :D
02:06 πŸ”— chronomex it's also helping me finally organize this shit *right*
02:25 πŸ”— underscor :)
02:25 πŸ”— underscor yeah
02:26 πŸ”— underscor It's great because I have an organized tree instead of random folders shat all over the place
02:27 πŸ”— chronomex mhm
02:27 πŸ”— chronomex well I'm organizing my scanning
02:27 πŸ”— chronomex which is a mess because the scanning software is not very flexible as to where it lets you put crap
02:27 πŸ”— chronomex basically you can't shit anywhere on the floor, you have to go get a cardboard box first
02:28 πŸ”— chronomex and then you can't put the cardboard box where you want it, you have to put it on a pallet
02:28 πŸ”— chronomex but I really like how git-annex just uses symlinks to hashes
02:37 πŸ”— brayden Woo
02:37 πŸ”— * brayden obliterates 5GB of data with a single keystroke
02:37 πŸ”— brayden I should work at Yahoo
02:39 πŸ”— nitro2k01 You'd get fired for inefficiency at that rate
02:43 πŸ”— brayden lol
03:30 πŸ”— SketchCow Hurrah! FOS is now at the lowest data amount it could possibly be.
03:33 πŸ”— SketchCow Hello Jason,
03:33 πŸ”— SketchCow I think your vision and the Archiving Team are fascinating. I run an operation that captures memories. My team managed to track down your email address. If you're New York based I wonder if you'd be interested in meeting for a conversation about the preservation of digital knowledge.
03:33 πŸ”— SketchCow Kindly,
03:33 πŸ”— SketchCow Michael
03:33 πŸ”— SketchCow Hey, we all know what brilliance may come of THAT "conversation"
03:34 πŸ”— SketchCow http://lifeandstyle.colincowie.com/fab_friends/michael-beneville/more
03:34 πŸ”— SketchCow Huh.
03:37 πŸ”— SketchCow Hey, DFJustin: The guy finished uploading all the ISOs!
03:38 πŸ”— SketchCow And now? Oh now I am going to shove them lovingly into the collection.
03:38 πŸ”— SketchCow Oh yes indeeeed.
03:40 πŸ”— SketchCow http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-zXJ9jUu1aAY/T3N6jfz86II/AAAAAAAAR6o/I5skdsxSmQI/s1600/MetalBands.jpg
03:40 πŸ”— SketchCow That's not fake
03:44 πŸ”— chronomex yeah. good stuff.
03:49 πŸ”— Ymgve I'm impressed there are metal bands in Madagascar
04:22 πŸ”— shaqfu For someone as famous as he claims to be, I can't find any of his work online
04:23 πŸ”— shaqfu A shame; I was already recoiling at the horror of trying to manage "biographical artifacts" long-term
04:41 πŸ”— SketchCow He's a strange one, yes.
04:41 πŸ”— SketchCow shaqfu: No buddies have written me.
04:44 πŸ”— shaqfu SketchCow: Hm, damn
04:44 πŸ”— shaqfu Part of me suspects my mail server ate the email again
04:45 πŸ”— shaqfu But I'd feel like a jerk sending a second one if it actually went through
04:48 πŸ”— SketchCow Wait a few days and ask for verify.
04:48 πŸ”— shaqfu Will do
04:57 πŸ”— SketchCow All I mostly do is project/people management!
05:10 πŸ”— * BlueMax points at SketchCow.
05:10 πŸ”— BlueMax Blame him!
05:29 πŸ”— SketchCow TheUnarchiver is crazy interesting... but Mac OSX?
05:31 πŸ”— BlueMax Link?
05:31 πŸ”— yipdw the core code for TheUnarchiver is multi-platform, according to its home page
05:32 πŸ”— yipdw so the OS X-specific bit is the GUI
05:32 πŸ”— DFJustin yeah there's a command-line version
05:32 πŸ”— DFJustin which is theoretically cross-platform but fuck if I can compile it on windows
05:33 πŸ”— SketchCow So, in other software preservation news
05:33 πŸ”— SketchCow I still like the Kryoflux.
05:33 πŸ”— SketchCow BUT.
05:33 πŸ”— SketchCow Obviously we can't use IPF.
05:34 πŸ”— DFJustin olivier galibert came up with a quick and dirty format for mess called MFI
05:36 πŸ”— Coderjoe to do what?
05:36 πŸ”— DFJustin store floppy flux data
05:37 πŸ”— SketchCow They are going to be pretty angry when it all works out what's going on.
05:37 πŸ”— DFJustin http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pgG5DLit
05:38 πŸ”— Coderjoe is this for the KryoFlux replacement stuff?
05:38 πŸ”— SketchCow Yes
05:38 πŸ”— SketchCow Oh man, are they going to be angry.
05:38 πŸ”— SketchCow Well, I can sack up.
05:39 πŸ”— Coderjoe haha
05:39 πŸ”— Coderjoe i see ipf on that list
05:39 πŸ”— chronomex sack of nickels
05:39 πŸ”— DFJustin it doesn't support all the quirks but it's reverse engineered
05:40 πŸ”— SketchCow yeah, they're going to explode.
05:40 πŸ”— Coderjoe cool
05:40 πŸ”— Coderjoe well, their license blows
05:41 πŸ”— SketchCow I know.
05:41 πŸ”— Coderjoe and why am I not surprised that chkdsk took about 5 hours?
05:41 πŸ”— SketchCow The right thing to do is buy 10.
05:41 πŸ”— Coderjoe and the annoying thing is that I have no idea if it fixed any errors, because it didn't log the results, as far as I can see
05:42 πŸ”— SketchCow And by the right thing, I mean the right thing to do for when they go absolutely ballistic.
05:42 πŸ”— balrog_ mm, floptool
05:42 πŸ”— balrog_ as for a archival format: philpem was working on something which uses tags similar to how PNG does it, would have to ask him though
05:43 πŸ”— balrog_ the main issue is, as we all know, metadata
05:43 πŸ”— balrog_ :/
05:43 πŸ”— balrog_ metadata is a PAIN IN THE ASS
05:43 πŸ”— Coderjoe ah. there's the log
05:43 πŸ”— balrog_ not just with floppy disks
05:43 πŸ”— balrog_ but with everything
05:44 πŸ”— LordNlptp well with floppy disks theres only so many variables:
05:44 πŸ”— LordNlptp disk type (5.25 whether sd/dd (with ring), or hd, and maybe the ring color not that very much used that
05:44 πŸ”— balrog_ yeah, but metadata about what we know is on the floppy disk
05:44 πŸ”— LordNlptp yes
05:44 πŸ”— yipdw there's also date and time of read, who read it, where, ...
05:44 πŸ”— balrog_ label info, where it came from, etc
05:44 πŸ”— LordNlptp disk label
05:45 πŸ”— LordNlptp box info if known, (origin, copyright date, etc)
05:45 πŸ”— LordNlptp any lot markings on disk
05:45 πŸ”— balrog_ it's a lot easier and better if that's machine parseable rather than you having to decode the format and figure out from the data
05:45 πŸ”— LordNlptp and all that's actually not having much to do with the media at all
05:45 πŸ”— balrog_ it's enough of a pain with scans
05:45 πŸ”— LordNlptp that's just external
05:45 πŸ”— LordNlptp oh and also notes whether both, one or none of the copy holes are punched
05:45 πŸ”— balrog_ yes but it's important for cataloging purposes
05:46 πŸ”— balrog_ that's a problem on 3.5" disks
05:46 πŸ”— LordNlptp and how many index holes
05:46 πŸ”— LordNlptp since some flippy disks have two holes in the vinyl
05:46 πŸ”— balrog_ yes
05:46 πŸ”— LordNlptp and of course hardsector disks have 15? holes in the media
05:47 πŸ”— balrog_ hard sector disksҀ¦ yeah
05:47 πŸ”— balrog_ something like that
05:47 πŸ”— LordNlptp that's all metadata; you could even jam a png image of a scan of the disk sides in the dfm as metadata
05:47 πŸ”— balrog_ yes, but a scan isn't machine parseable
05:47 πŸ”— SketchCow New channel. #floppydisk
05:47 πŸ”— LordNlptp true, but its for users
05:47 πŸ”— balrog_ it's great to have, but it's not enough
05:47 πŸ”— SketchCow Over to that
05:47 πŸ”— balrog_ SketchCow: there is one already
05:47 πŸ”— LordNlptp SketchCow: don't we already have #floppydiscs?
05:47 πŸ”— balrog_ #floppydiscs
05:47 πŸ”— SketchCow Is there?
05:47 πŸ”— SketchCow Ooops.
05:47 πŸ”— SketchCow Sorry.
05:49 πŸ”— Coderjoe speaking of friendster data, did they manage to read that drive i sent?
05:58 πŸ”— SketchCow No, I've still got it.
06:15 πŸ”— Cameron_D Speaking of friendster data, I'm still sitting on mine
06:17 πŸ”— SketchCow Yeah, I can give you a slot.
06:17 πŸ”— SketchCow I have a LOT more space to work with now.
06:17 πŸ”— SketchCow Rsync work? or something else.
06:49 πŸ”— Cameron_D Yeah, rsync is fine
07:13 πŸ”— ersi SketchCow: MetalScandinavia ;D
07:48 πŸ”— SketchCow ha ha, 26gb of DNA Lounge recordings going up.
07:57 πŸ”— ersi sweet!
08:02 πŸ”— SketchCow There it goes, oh it's lovin' life
08:02 πŸ”— SketchCow When I shove 82 nights of music.
08:03 πŸ”— SketchCow That's 82*5 hours each night. So.... hundreds of hours. 400+.
08:04 πŸ”— BlueMax Any good to listen to, though? :P
08:04 πŸ”— SketchCow Duh
08:04 πŸ”— SketchCow Well, you obviously don't get out
08:04 πŸ”— SketchCow And this is a nightclub
08:04 πŸ”— SketchCow So it could be an education right there
08:04 πŸ”— BlueMax ...obviously don't get out?
08:05 πŸ”— BlueMax Are you trying to say something?
08:05 πŸ”— SketchCow Ha ha
08:05 πŸ”— BlueMax Because it would probably be true. :(
08:05 πŸ”— SketchCow No, I am SUCCEEDING AT SAYING SOMETHING
08:05 πŸ”— BlueMax Do you want your fangirl or not, SketchCow? >:(
08:06 πŸ”— ersi I'd like to visit DNA Lounge if I ever go near
08:09 πŸ”— SketchCow DNA Lounge upload up to January
08:12 πŸ”— SketchCow Now February
08:12 πŸ”— SketchCow ha ha, this poor infrastructure
08:12 πŸ”— * BlueMax polishes SketchCow's boots
08:13 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.archive.org/details/DNALOUNGE-2011-12-02
08:14 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.archive.org/details/DNALOUNGE-2011-12-10 is awesome
08:14 πŸ”— SketchCow Go with that one
08:16 πŸ”— BlueMax XChat is strange. I can't click a link, I have to right-click and then select to open it in my browser
08:20 πŸ”— SketchCow Gah, now I have to write a metadata stripper.
08:20 πŸ”— SketchCow hahaha Oh god, hit the 06:00 mark on that 2011-12-10 show
08:20 πŸ”— SketchCow I just died laughing
08:20 πŸ”— ersi I wonder if the IA people who hired you, really knew what they were getting themselfs into.. :-)
08:21 πŸ”— SketchCow Yes
08:21 πŸ”— * ersi grabs DNAL 2011-12-10
08:21 πŸ”— SketchCow I promised a terabyte a month
08:21 πŸ”— SketchCow Due to these various projects, I'm at 3.5 a month
08:21 πŸ”— ersi :D Was gonna say "Well, I think you have a buffer going"
08:25 πŸ”— SketchCow All the Bootie nights are amazing.
08:25 πŸ”— BlueMax Like you'd be able to tell booty from a boot disk.
08:31 πŸ”— Nemo_bis BlueMax, what's strange in it? :) anyway, it can be configured
08:32 πŸ”— ersi SketchCow: Just me, or is that DNA Lounge recording distorting like hell? :)
08:35 πŸ”— SketchCow Depends on the night, the day.
08:35 πŸ”— SketchCow This is all soundboard recording.
08:39 πŸ”— ersi Nevermind, it's something fucked up with my sound all of a suden
08:39 πŸ”— ersi sudden
08:39 πŸ”— ersi wonder what made it do that though :/
08:40 πŸ”— ersi this is really weird :D
08:42 πŸ”— SketchCow There we go, 3 nights left to derive
08:42 πŸ”— SketchCow Then it's metadata hell.
08:45 πŸ”— ersi http://home.swipnet.se/~w-45603/index.html
08:45 πŸ”— ersi I so need to grab all of home.swipnet.se/*
08:45 πŸ”— ersi It's like, one of the Swedish geocities/fortunecities
08:45 πŸ”— ersi Mmmh, last update 1998-12-27
08:59 πŸ”— ersi After a restart, DNALOUNGE-2011-12-10.mp3 sounds a lot better :-)
08:59 πŸ”— SketchCow Good
08:59 πŸ”— ersi I guess pulseaudio shat itself when one of my wget-warc processes used up all my memory
09:00 πŸ”— BlueMax lol
09:48 πŸ”— SketchCow Metadata issues fixed, although I have to snap them in by hand.
09:49 πŸ”— ersi I'm going to have to grab more DNA Lounge. 1 hour into DNALOUNGE-2011-12-10.mp3 already :-)
09:55 πŸ”— Nemo_bis The postal service is driving me crazy with this disc shipping.
10:23 πŸ”— Schbirid http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.therwp.com/forums/showthread.php%3Ft=48139&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&client=safari
11:49 πŸ”— BlueMax I know this is something everybody has 3 copies of but it still impressed me: http://i.imgur.com/vqBAs.jpg
11:50 πŸ”— Schbirid i had a 50(?) floppy win95
11:59 πŸ”— nitro2k01 That's Win95 B or C
11:59 πŸ”— BlueMax B or C?
11:59 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Yes. Later revisions.
11:59 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Not "with USB support"
12:00 πŸ”— nitro2k01 And the late copyright date
12:00 πŸ”— nitro2k01 *year
13:31 πŸ”— BlueMax hmm
13:31 πŸ”— BlueMax I found a couple of those "thousands of games" disks
13:31 πŸ”— BlueMax probably worthless.
13:41 πŸ”— Jfrantz would the megaupload site still be valueable if it was just site, and no downloads?
13:42 πŸ”— jonas___ for what?
13:43 πŸ”— Jfrantz To recreate it so to speak...
14:22 πŸ”— Nemo_bis BlueMax, well, a couple disks are easy to upload :)
14:23 πŸ”— BlueMax where should I stick them?
14:24 πŸ”— Nemo_bis BlueMax, what do you mean? just as iso on a archive.org item
14:25 πŸ”— BlueMax Well I know barely anything about them
14:25 πŸ”— Nemo_bis so what? :)
14:25 πŸ”— BlueMax so...
14:25 πŸ”— BlueMax so.
14:25 πŸ”— Nemo_bis http://archive.org/details/microforum-1000games <-- a birthday present I never used
14:29 πŸ”— DFJustin yep please upload any and all shareware cds that aren't in the archive already
14:29 πŸ”— DFJustin jason can move them to the right collection
14:29 πŸ”— BlueMax OK, where's the upload page
14:30 πŸ”— DFJustin http://archive.org/create/
14:30 πŸ”— Nemo_bis And if one is less lazy than me and also scans the covers, even better! :p
14:31 πŸ”— DFJustin one item per disc, stick em in community texts or wherever for now it doesn't matter
14:31 πŸ”— BlueMax no covers, they're burnt disks
14:31 πŸ”— BlueMax but they have that shareware layout about them.
14:32 πŸ”— BlueMax Does that matter?
14:34 πŸ”— DFJustin not really
14:34 πŸ”— DFJustin say so in the description or somewhere
14:35 πŸ”— BlueMax Fair enough
14:36 πŸ”— BlueMax I'll just rip them to my hard drive then
14:45 πŸ”— BlueMax there was this old shareware compilation called Tiger Tryouts which I never found
14:57 πŸ”— closure_ did my.opera.com ever get archived?
14:57 πŸ”— soultcer Hehe, a pdo reader
14:57 πŸ”— closure_ eep, a highly evolved neural network
15:08 πŸ”— Schbirid shit. md5summing my coverdiscrips, i always ripped twice. so far 4/4 have different sums for their two riΓƒΒŸps
15:10 πŸ”— DFJustin do they have audio tracks
15:12 πŸ”— Schbirid nope, i skipped those cause they are more work
15:13 πŸ”— Schbirid 5/9
15:16 πŸ”— DFJustin do you have another pc/drive to test
15:17 πŸ”— Schbirid yes i will re-rip them with another drive :(
15:41 πŸ”— Schbirid fml, only 9 images are ok
15:42 πŸ”— Schbirid of ~25
17:29 πŸ”— SketchCow Doing the Metadata shoreup on dna lounge
17:39 πŸ”— edsu is anyone involved in the archiving of twitter data around? http://archive.org/details/archiveteam-json-twitterstream-2012
17:40 πŸ”— SketchCow swebb's the point man on that.
17:47 πŸ”— SketchCow ha ha
17:48 πŸ”— SketchCow Jordan Mechner has ALL his old computer material now.
17:48 πŸ”— SketchCow All the original Karateka stuff
19:03 πŸ”— edsu SketchCow: does swebb pop in here from time to time?
19:04 πŸ”— edsu oh this is swebb? http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=User:Scumola
19:06 πŸ”— SketchCow Yes
20:27 πŸ”— balrog_ SketchCow: please check #floppydiscs when you get back :)
22:14 πŸ”— tef SketchCow: \o\ defcon /o/
23:23 πŸ”— dnova SketchCow: what do you need people doing for you at defcon
23:41 πŸ”— Coderjoe_ btw, for those who may not have heard: http://blog.archive.org/2012/03/29/wayback-machine-machines-are-moving/
23:49 πŸ”— zgrant Coderjoe: thanks for the heads up. I've been meaning to put IA blog in my rss reader, but hadn't done it yet, so missed this.
23:50 πŸ”— BlueMax http://archive.org/details/Over1000GamesForWindows
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