| Time |
Nickname |
Message |
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00:57
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ivan` |
so I was thinking about what kind of websites disappear or change completely without fanfare, and came up with government websites, especially ones that might go away like .gr |
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00:57
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ivan` |
too bad they often contain tens of gigabytes of PDFs and junk I am not remotely interested in |
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00:58
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ivan` |
if only disks were free... |
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00:59
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shaqfu |
Pity Wayback is down; now I really want to look at the old Yugoslavian government pages |
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01:03
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* |
ivan` has most of ecb.int and irs.gov and a few random .gr sites |
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01:10
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chronomex |
ivan`: in what form? best for future work is .warc.gz :) |
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01:13
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ivan` |
I am a bad person who uses HTTrack |
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01:13
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ivan` |
I'll get my wget-warc set up though |
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01:14
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ivan` |
I like having at least minimal control over my spidering after it starts. can I do that with Heritrix? |
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01:14
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ivan` |
maybe if I write some awful Java code that hooks into something? |
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01:29
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icysands |
sorry |
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01:29
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icysands |
anyway, i can provide more tropicalwikis dumos |
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01:30
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DFJustin |
anybody up for some dial-up doom action http://archive.org/download/cdrom-maximum-death-heretic/maxdeath.iso/BPS_UTIL.TXT |
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01:30
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icysands |
i just need my hands on emijrp |
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01:33
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shaqfu |
pre-DWANGO Doom, nice |
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01:40
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SketchCow |
Hank redid the ISOVIEW.PHP file! |
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02:25
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yipdw |
DFJustin: the biggest thing that gets me about that file is how much more diverse email addresses were back then |
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02:26
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Coderjoe |
many appear to be academic |
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02:27
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yipdw |
many are, yes |
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02:28
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shaqfu |
The golden age of the small ISP |
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02:28
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yipdw |
but it's still a big change from e.g. me looking through some git repos I have in which gmail.com is easily 75% of the commit emails |
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02:28
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Coderjoe |
true |
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02:29
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Coderjoe |
though I would argue against using an ISP-provided email account, simply because you lose it if you ever change ISPs |
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02:30
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|
Coderjoe |
my dad actually registered a domain for several family email addesses after comcast pulled the plug |
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02:30
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NovaKing |
Coderjoe: not always true |
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02:31
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|
NovaKing |
i still use an email from my first isp |
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02:31
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Coderjoe |
NovaKing: that is very rare |
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02:31
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|
NovaKing |
i pay $10/y to keep it |
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02:31
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|
NovaKing |
which is fine by me |
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02:31
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shaqfu |
Who was your first ISP? Most got devoured by the big telcos here |
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02:32
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NovaKing |
can't say, reveals where i'm located |
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02:32
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|
dashcloud |
I'd like to thank whoever contributed PC Gamer cover disc 5.10- it's totally awesome and now I don't have to worry about losing my copy again |
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02:32
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|
shaqfu |
NovaKing: North America? |
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02:32
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yipdw |
shaqfu: my first one was AOL :D |
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02:32
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NovaKing |
shaqfu: again, can't say :) |
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02:32
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|
shaqfu |
Gotcha |
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02:33
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|
shaqfu |
I wasn't sure if it was something like <City> Internet which would be a giveaway :P |
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02:33
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|
shaqfu |
I don't even remember my old dial-up ISPs |
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02:34
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|
Coderjoe |
my first encouters with the internet were through a michnet/merit dialin to access the traverse city freenet up at northern michigan university |
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02:34
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|
Coderjoe |
wow |
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02:35
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|
Coderjoe |
the name still resolves, but no ping responses |
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02:35
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aggro |
I'm sure a PTR record could do wonders to narrow down NovaKing's address :P |
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02:35
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shaqfu |
Mine was a few minutes on AOL's internette |
|
02:35
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|
shaqfu |
When you had a few categories/keywords and that was about it |
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02:35
🔗
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aggro |
1000 hours FREE :D |
|
02:35
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|
aggro |
(for 30 days) |
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02:36
🔗
|
yipdw |
aggro: it doesn't |
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02:36
🔗
|
yipdw |
at least if you mean via IRC |
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02:36
🔗
|
* |
yipdw tried |
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02:36
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
packets make it all the way up to nmu, but apparently have nowhere to go |
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02:37
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aggro |
Heh. Worth a shot :P Mine is painfully obvious. |
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02:37
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|
tev |
I remember that--and there are exactly 720 hours in 30 days. The pinnacle of false marketing. |
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02:37
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aggro |
I think it was something like 45 days to avoid the false advertising claims. |
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02:37
🔗
|
shaqfu |
I'm surprised there wasn't an arms race of useless free hours |
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02:37
🔗
|
shaqfu |
ONE MILLION FREE HOURS (for 30 days) |
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02:38
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tev |
Yeah, but given that no one can run on 80 hours of sleep in 45 days, I still say it should be considered false advertising. :) |
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02:38
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|
NovaKing |
yeah, not sure what you would get if you try and find out aggro |
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02:39
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chronomex |
tev: yeah. they added more hours once they moved it to 45 days |
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02:39
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|
tev |
Yeah |
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02:39
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|
shaqfu |
tev: You'd have to use the first 10 hours to learn how to build a meth lab, which would fuel the next 990 :) |
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02:39
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|
tev |
I still seem to recall actually doing the math back in the days and still being appaled, though |
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02:39
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aggro |
@Nova, a domain with a cool name? |
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02:40
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|
NovaKing |
i would hope so! |
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02:40
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tev |
shaqfu: Haha, nice |
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02:47
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yipdw |
whoa, there's a FidoNet address in that list too |
|
02:50
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|
yipdw |
hah |
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02:50
🔗
|
yipdw |
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rMuIHUspK50/TuShvONTx6I/AAAAAAAADWA/BGQ670VRvzU/s1600/Angie%2BBrown%2BClassic%2BPhoto.jpg |
|
02:50
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|
yipdw |
that was porn in CompuServe days |
|
02:51
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|
yipdw |
or so Wikipedia says |
|
02:52
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|
shaqfu |
yipdw: A friend of mine would grab ASCII-rendered porn via Usenet (bounced via BBS) |
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02:52
🔗
|
shaqfu |
He said it worked well until the mechanical keyboard woke his parents up one night :( |
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02:52
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|
SketchCow |
The big reason I was so into making sure this ISO browser was working and easy to deal with was because I knew we were adding hundreds of gigabytes of important history. |
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02:53
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|
yipdw |
shaqfu: I think you just hit on the biggest disadvantage of mechanical keyboards |
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02:53
🔗
|
SketchCow |
Jerk detection? |
|
02:54
🔗
|
yipdw |
when dealing with ASCII porn, yeah |
|
02:54
🔗
|
shaqfu |
He's harbored a hatred of Model Ms ever since |
|
02:55
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|
yipdw |
hah |
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02:55
🔗
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Coderjoe |
and if you wanted a printout? oh the racket of the dot matrix... |
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02:56
🔗
|
yipdw |
I should scrounge one of those up and let it print while typing |
|
02:56
🔗
|
yipdw |
a dot matrix printer plus this keyboard would be awesome |
|
02:56
🔗
|
shaqfu |
Nothing kills a good porn night like having to tear the guide holes off line feed paper |
|
02:56
🔗
|
SketchCow |
...or does it? |
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02:56
🔗
|
SketchCow |
rrriipppp |
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02:56
🔗
|
yipdw |
while I'm at it, I need to find some new valves for the mercury lines in my core module |
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02:57
🔗
|
yipdw |
should stock up on vacuum tubes too |
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02:59
🔗
|
shaqfu |
Hey, I used to use IBM punchcards at work |
|
02:59
🔗
|
shaqfu |
They make fantastic bookmarks |
|
02:59
🔗
|
shaqfu |
Perfect size, acid-free (I think?) and sturdy as hell |
|
03:00
🔗
|
yipdw |
I've never seen IBM punch cards |
|
03:01
🔗
|
* |
shaqfu looks to see if he can find them online |
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03:01
🔗
|
yipdw |
oh |
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03:01
🔗
|
yipdw |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FortranCardPROJ039.agr.jpg ? |
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03:02
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|
shaqfu |
Similar, but not quite |
|
03:04
🔗
|
shaqfu |
I just remember them looking nearly new, which meant we either bought them in the past 30 years or we're awesome at our jobs |
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03:06
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|
shaqfu |
Eh, if you really want to know I can tell you who to call; it'd probably be the strangest call the reference desk'll ever get... |
|
03:07
🔗
|
yipdw |
heh |
|
03:07
🔗
|
yipdw |
I'm sure I can find some around here |
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03:07
🔗
|
shaqfu |
"Please tell me everything you can about your scrap paper" |
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03:08
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
me sure to breathe heavilly as it is being described to you |
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03:08
🔗
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Coderjoe |
er, BE sure.. |
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03:08
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
throw in a few moans, too |
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03:08
🔗
|
shaqfu |
Haha |
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03:09
🔗
|
yipdw |
speak in a whisper |
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03:09
🔗
|
shaqfu |
"Go real slow when telling me how many columns/lines there are" |
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03:10
🔗
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chronomex |
ibm punch cards came in many variations |
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03:11
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|
dashcloud |
check out this: http://www.pcworld.com/article/249951/if_it_aint_broke_dont_fix_it_ancient_computers_in_use_today.html |
|
03:11
🔗
|
shaqfu |
Perfect timing |
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03:13
🔗
|
shaqfu |
Hah, those look like the cards we used |
|
03:53
🔗
|
underscor |
Does anyone else get a perverse joy out of spinning cds in laptop drives after you put them in? |
|
03:53
🔗
|
underscor |
or am I just a freak |
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03:55
🔗
|
berndj |
you mean while the tray is still out? yes, i love how smooth that bearing is |
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04:10
🔗
|
underscor |
berndj: yep :D |
|
04:22
🔗
|
jessta |
me too |
|
04:22
🔗
|
underscor |
good to know I'm not the only one |
|
04:22
🔗
|
jessta |
I also like to eject it while it's spinning and watch it spin |
|
04:24
🔗
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chronomex |
sickos |
|
04:24
🔗
|
chronomex |
shaqfu: also, tyvek punched tape is superior to punchcard |
|
04:24
🔗
|
chronomex |
it has better retention even in non-ideal storage |
|
04:27
🔗
|
underscor |
jessta: haha :D |
|
04:27
🔗
|
underscor |
chronomex: I love tyvek <3 |
|
04:27
🔗
|
underscor |
I have tyvek spindle spacers |
|
04:27
🔗
|
underscor |
they're fantastic |
|
04:49
🔗
|
dnova |
I have tyvek lab jackets |
|
04:50
🔗
|
shaqfu |
Tyvek is good stuff |
|
09:11
🔗
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Coderjoe |
mmm |
|
09:11
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
holy crap |
|
09:12
🔗
|
BlueMax |
What |
|
09:12
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
Although he was the man responsible for its technology, Farnsworth appeared only once on a television program. On July 3, 1957, he was a mystery guest ("Doctor X") on the TV quiz show I've Got A Secret. [...] The host then asked about his current research, and the inventor replied, "In television, we're attempting first to make better utilization of the bandwidth, because we think we can eventually get in excess of 20 |
|
09:12
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
00 lines instead of 525 ... and do it on an even narrower channel ... which will make for a much sharper picture. We believe in the picture-frame type of a picture, where the visual display will be just a screen. And we hope for a memory, so that the picture will be just as though it's pasted on there." |
|
09:13
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chronomex |
nice |
|
09:14
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
hdtv and flat panel display and the like, thought of by Philo Farnsworth in 1957! |
|
09:15
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
as being possible with less than the 6MHz bandwidth they were already using |
|
09:15
🔗
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chronomex |
while cool, it's hardly an un-obvious direction to take |
|
09:15
🔗
|
chronomex |
:) |
|
09:18
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
we're STILL not doing 2000 lines, vertical or horizontal, as far as television. |
|
09:18
🔗
|
chronomex |
no |
|
09:18
🔗
|
ersi |
needs moar dpi |
|
09:18
🔗
|
chronomex |
ipad |
|
09:18
🔗
|
Coderjoe |
and you could also say he had an idea there that was like an ereader or the like |
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15:27
🔗
|
Schbirid |
'Rob Levine, discusses his hard-hitting book "Free Ride - How the Internet is Destroying the Culture Business ...and How the Culture Business can Fight Back".' |
|
15:27
🔗
|
Schbirid |
culture business, if i just hear a term like that i would like to ....... |
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15:33
🔗
|
shaqfu |
Schbirid: The real title is worse |
|
15:34
🔗
|
shaqfu |
Replace "Internet" with "digital parasite" |
|
15:34
🔗
|
ersi |
30 lbs of culture for sale! Come and buy! All ripe in the Culture Mall |
|
15:34
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balrog__ |
"Culture Business" :o |
|
15:34
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Schbirid |
heh |
|
15:34
🔗
|
balrog__ |
culture has only been a "business" as we know it today in recent years |
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15:35
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balrog__ |
s/been/become |
|
15:35
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Schbirid |
actually that is sadly not true |
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15:35
🔗
|
balrog__ |
at the large scale that it is? |
|
15:35
🔗
|
Schbirid |
a lot of the culture that was preserved and that we now consider our culture is commercial success from back then |
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15:35
🔗
|
Schbirid |
imo/afaik/etc |
|
15:35
🔗
|
balrog__ |
yes, but in different ways |
|
15:35
🔗
|
Schbirid |
of course nowadays the right holder industry is there |
|
15:35
🔗
|
Schbirid |
yeah |
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15:35
🔗
|
ersi |
balrog__: You're trying to get to 'Industry', right? |
|
15:35
🔗
|
balrog__ |
you can't pirate live performances |
|
15:36
🔗
|
ersi |
How about streaming a live performance without them knowing? :) |
|
15:36
🔗
|
balrog__ |
it's not the same |
|
15:36
🔗
|
balrog__ |
there's an experience part to seeing a live performance |
|
15:36
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|
balrog__ |
that is missed in a stream or recording |
|
15:37
🔗
|
ersi |
I dunno, I feel like I'm participating when I'm watching a live stream |
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15:37
🔗
|
balrog__ |
recordings preserve things though |
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15:37
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|
ersi |
True |
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15:37
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|
ersi |
Whatever that has to do with it |
|
15:38
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|
ersi |
But really, copyright and all this can go fudge itself. I'll down it sooner or later |
|
15:38
🔗
|
balrog__ |
well, you don't want to lose culture, do you? |
|
15:39
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|
ersi |
Of course not, I'd like to preserve as much as possible - which is why I'm saying it just doesn't matter |
|
15:41
🔗
|
shaqfu |
Pity that big content and preservation don't get along :( |
|
15:41
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|
balrog_ |
yes, I know :/ |
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15:43
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|
ersi |
Oh, they do - if you wave huge dollar bills in front of them |
|
15:44
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shaqfu |
ersi: "preservation" and "huge dollar bills" tend not to go together :P |
|
15:44
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|
ersi |
Just sayin' |
|
15:47
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shaqfu |
Hell, if Google can't buy themselves an access law, nobody can |
|
15:49
🔗
|
ersi |
Sigh |
|
15:50
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|
shaqfu |
Well, off to do my scanning |
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17:14
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SketchCow |
I JUST WANT A HUG |
|
17:14
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devesine |
dd if=/dev/hug of=/dev/sketchcow bs=1024 |
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17:15
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DFJustin |
have some shareware instead <BlueMax> http://archive.org/details/Over1000GamesForWindows |
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17:16
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SketchCow |
Yeah, we're ROCKING that shareware. |
|
17:16
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|
SketchCow |
We are easily the largest collection on-line. |
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17:19
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DFJustin |
(that one needs to be moved to the collection) |
|
17:21
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LordNlptp |
oh i have two of those shareware cds |
|
17:21
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LordNlptp |
i think one even has a virus or two hiding on it |
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17:21
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DFJustin |
gibb0r |
|
17:22
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SketchCow |
Moved. |
|
17:22
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SketchCow |
I'm SURE they have a virus. |
|
17:23
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LordNlptp |
i can image them as iso easily enough but do you want some other format? |
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17:24
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DFJustin |
iso is best (if it's mode 1) since that's what archive.org's browser supports |
|
17:25
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|
DFJustin |
also SketchCow I got my friend to email you a disk a while ago, "2000 shareware games", but it doesn't seem to have been uploaded anywhere, did that get lost |
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17:26
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SketchCow |
Oh, I bet you are making an unintentional reference to.... the inbox |
|
17:26
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LordNlptp |
ok there are actually 3 cds |
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17:26
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SketchCow |
The delicious, delicious inbox |
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17:27
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LordNlptp |
two are the 1995 softkey "shareware 2000 hit games" collection, with cds SHW444AE-CD-1 and SHW444AE-CD-2 and the other is the International Software Values' Master Game Collection, (C)1996 P/N 7249 |
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17:27
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DFJustin |
well it was before your inbox 0 thing is why I ask |
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17:28
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LordNlptp |
cd drive is occupied burning a dvd atm but i'll grab isos of all 3 in a jiffy |
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17:28
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LordNlptp |
can i 7z them or is it better to zip them? |
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17:30
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DFJustin |
if you wanna make archive.org items yourself they should be uncompressed |
|
17:30
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DFJustin |
for sending to us instead it doesn't matter |
|
17:30
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chronomex |
archiveteam has unzip at the ready |
|
17:31
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LordNlptp |
was gonna send em |
|
17:31
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LordNlptp |
k |
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17:46
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LordNlptp |
ok isv disk imaged |
|
18:11
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|
LordNlptp |
infrarecorder produces two types of dumps, one with a larger file (a .bin?) and a .toc file, and one as an .iso |
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19:05
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Coderjoe |
mm |
|
19:05
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Coderjoe |
bin/cue and iso |
|
19:13
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LordNlptp |
so which file do people want? the (maybe)bin and toc or the iso? |
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19:14
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Coderjoe |
iso, i think |
|
19:14
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Coderjoe |
archive.org has an iso viewer |
|
19:15
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LordNlptp |
DFJustin: should i dcc this to you? |
|
19:30
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|
DFJustin |
if you like |
|
19:34
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LordNlptp |
the 2000 game shareware cds from softkey are in very bad shape |
|
19:34
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|
LordNlptp |
dunno if can get rips of either one |
|
19:35
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|
LordNlptp |
scratched to hell |
|
19:35
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Nemo_bis |
2000 games or 2000 CDs? O_o |
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19:35
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LordNlptp |
two cds |
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19:35
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LordNlptp |
containing a total of 2000 games |
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19:36
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Nemo_bis |
how old are they? |
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19:36
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Nemo_bis |
with some very old CDs I tried IsoMaster first and then another crappy software, got only a bunch of errors; I just used dd in the end and thrown everything in a (quite readable) ISO |
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19:41
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LordNlptp |
1995ish |
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19:41
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LordNlptp |
using ddrescue on linux box |
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19:42
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LordNlptp |
DFJustin: argh this will take forever since dcc on xchat windows is busted |
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LordNlptp |
i'll upload to sendspace |
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19:42
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DFJustin |
ok |
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19:42
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DFJustin |
if it's not gonna finish before shabbat it can wait a day too |
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19:44
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DFJustin |
if ddrescue can't do the job then probably nothing can, trying another drive can be effective though |
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LordNlptp |
gonna try additional disk cleaning too |
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19:45
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LordNlptp |
disk 2 has 8 megabytes of error areas |
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19:46
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LordNlptp |
out of 308mib total |
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19:46
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Coderjoe |
that's about 4 hours, isn't it? |
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LordNlptp |
ya |
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19:46
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LordNlptp |
2 mins left for sendspace upload |
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DFJustin |
heh ok |
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19:46
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LordNlptp |
at 200k/s instead of 9k/s |
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19:47
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LordNlptp |
xchat dcc is totally borked |
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19:47
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LordNlptp |
on windows |
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19:47
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LordNlptp |
it works fine in linux |
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19:49
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LordNlptp |
http://www.sendspace.com/file/adtfkt |
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19:49
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LordNlptp |
i don't have pics of the cd or the case yet, and the manual thingy from the front of the case is missing (back of case however paper is intact) |
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19:54
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Coderjoe |
i wonder if there is any interest in any of these: http://i.imgur.com/xgcLE.jpg |
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19:54
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Coderjoe |
(side view: http://i.imgur.com/Ql1OO.jpg ) |
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19:56
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tev |
DVDisaster has some features for trying to get as much data off of damaged CDs/DVDs as possible as well |
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19:56
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Coderjoe |
the AOL stack is discs from service providers. the one with the hardhat linux on top is all linux (mostly walnut creek slackware discs. no longer have the books or case inserts for them, though) |
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19:57
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Coderjoe |
the stack with the WD disc on top is all hard drive manufacturer discs |
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19:57
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Coderjoe |
offhand, I can't remember what all went into the leftmost stack |
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19:58
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Coderjoe |
haha. that AOL cd's offer is 25 hours short of being online 24/7 for the 50 days of the offer |
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20:01
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DFJustin |
poke sketchcow but he's already posted aol cds and walnut creek freebsd discs so I think he'd be interested |
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20:18
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LordNlptp |
oh i also have the original chex quest cd |
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20:18
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LordNlptp |
that's an important part of gaming history |
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20:21
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shaqfu |
Isn't that just Doom with a different .wad? |
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20:21
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LordNlptp |
down to 8300k bad |
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20:21
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SketchCow |
What what |
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20:21
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LordNlptp |
ultimate doom with a different wad and aol on cd as well |
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20:22
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LordNlptp |
also has leftover levels of episode 2 and 3 left in the wad! |
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20:22
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shaqfu |
Playing CQ in a sourceport is a surreal experience - after beating the game, you get dropped into a reskinned Doom level, where all the enemies are invisible (no sprites in the wad) |
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20:22
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LordNlptp |
i think the 2000-game sharewae cds are holepess |
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20:22
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LordNlptp |
hopeless |
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20:24
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LordNlptp |
balrog gave me a bunch of click-of-death damaged zip disks and i managed to recover all data from a few |
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20:24
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LordNlptp |
but i have not managed to ifnd an unwritten copy of the zip sw 4.2 or 4.21 mac tools disks with the marathon demo on them |
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20:24
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LordNlptp |
thsoe are worth preserving if any still exist |
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20:31
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sethish |
I do not think there is a nearly complete archive of UMS starcraft maps |
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20:39
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shaqfu |
Weren't most of them distributed virally? |
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20:39
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shaqfu |
(I hate the term, but it applies here) |
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20:41
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sethish |
I am not sure the term does apply here, but for the sake of argument, yes. The maps were passed around by playing game servers. |
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LordNlptp |
ya |
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20:42
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LordNlptp |
also none of nenolod's modified WC2 maps afaik survived in the wild |
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20:42
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LordNlptp |
nenolod lost them all at some point |
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20:42
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shaqfu |
sethish: Why wouldn't it apply? |
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20:42
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LordNlptp |
i actually knew about his sc maps before i met him on irc |
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20:42
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LordNlptp |
he hangs in freenode #zsnes |
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20:42
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shaqfu |
People got copies by playing with people that already had them, and distributed by hosting games |
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LordNlptp |
ya |
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20:43
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shaqfu |
At least, that's how I got maps; dunno if there was some big repo of them people used |
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20:44
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LordNlptp |
there may have been big map archives for wc2 but afaik they're gone now |
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20:44
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LordNlptp |
also massive info loss when the nwn forums went down after being hacked |
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20:44
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shaqfu |
I remember downloading a lot of WC2 maps from GameSpy |
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20:45
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shaqfu |
Er, FilePlanet |
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20:47
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sethish |
shaqfu: there is a lot of debateabout what the term means, does it mean certain kinds of scalable growth? Does it mean propigatable? Does it mean the same thing as Jenkins' Spreadable media? |
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sethish |
http://www.niemanlab.org/2010/11/why-spreadable-doesnt-equal-viral-a-conversation-with-henry-jenkins/ Is the best resource I can find quickly. |
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20:48
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sethish |
If you are interested in the semantics. But it is just that, semantics. |
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20:48
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SmileyG |
all data is speadable. |
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20:48
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SmileyG |
spread* |
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shaqfu |
Looks like a fun read; thanks |
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20:51
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shaqfu |
sethish: I tend to dislike the term since most "viral" stuff is spread in traditional broadcast-audience manners, but if it's strictly done via carrier-recipient interaction, I'd say it qualifies |
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SmileyG |
virual, to spread like a virus... |
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20:51
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SmileyG |
i.e. under its own steam without external forces. |
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20:53
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sethish |
spreadable is usually what people mean when they say viral IMO |
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20:53
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sethish |
They want something that has the characteristics that could make it viral. |
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SmileyG |
also I think alot of stuff on the net is famous, but NOT viral |
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20:53
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sethish |
I would like to think of exploitables as being more viral than most things that are just famous. |
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20:54
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sethish |
If there is a canonical URL for the media, probably spreadable. |
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shaqfu |
sethish: But even for those, they have central broadcast nodes |
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20:54
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SmileyG |
explotiables? |
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20:54
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sethish |
Unless it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ |
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sethish |
exploitables are a class of meme. fsjal is a perfect example |
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20:55
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sethish |
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fsjal |
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20:55
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shaqfu |
If you don't frequent 4chan/reddit/etc your odds of running into, say, Good Guy Greg are very low |
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shaqfu |
And if you do, it's probably one or two cascades away from the central hub |
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shaqfu |
Compare vs. the old Matrix maps of SC, which had very long cascades of 1-7 players at a time |
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20:57
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shaqfu |
The odds for GGG go up markedly if it hits another broadcast node - if, say, Gawker uses him |
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20:57
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shaqfu |
But again, you're never more than 1-2 steps away from broadcast |
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20:58
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SmileyG |
see in that respect, OLD internet stuff is far more viral |
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20:58
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SmileyG |
lolcats, fat chinese kid, singing fat guy.... |
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20:58
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shaqfu |
Yeah |
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20:58
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SmileyG |
the sourdce generally started as 4chat |
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20:58
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shaqfu |
Back before there was an infrastructure to carry it |
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20:58
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SmileyG |
errr chan* |
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20:59
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SmileyG |
and it'd spead slowly through forums from there..... maybe the fact it started in a place which most of the users of the net WOULDN'T visit is part of the reason it spread so well? |
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20:59
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SmileyG |
Only the good stuff comes out? |
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20:59
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shaqfu |
But even then, stuff like that tended to explode after sites like Ebaums got it |
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20:59
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SmileyG |
and others kind of died without a real trace |
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20:59
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SmileyG |
weebl and bob.... |
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21:00
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SmileyG |
(didn't they get brought by mtv or something?) |
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shaqfu |
Probably |
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21:02
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sethish |
When 4chan was the only place to go for this stuff, and there was a LOT more volume, to be sticky, you had to be really funny or offensive |
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21:02
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sethish |
It is diluted a bit now. |
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21:02
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SmileyG |
yup |
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21:03
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shaqfu |
http://messymatters.com/viral/ |
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21:03
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shaqfu |
Wish the full study is somewhere; it's great stuff |
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21:14
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sethish |
Jeebus, encycloedia dramatica has such a messy history |
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21:19
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balrog_ph |
SketchCow: If you're there, floppydiscs again |
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21:19
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balrog_ph |
Sorry for pinging you so much |
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21:42
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Coderjoe |
mmm. flash-driven websites are fun |
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21:42
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Coderjoe |
when they fail, they fail HARD |
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21:42
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kennethre |
readability's going up in flames |
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21:42
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kennethre |
http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/03/30/readability |
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21:43
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Coderjoe |
odd. I see the flash load, and then nothing. i disable my adblock, refresh, and it works. |
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21:44
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Coderjoe |
heh |
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21:44
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Coderjoe |
http://www.buffalowildwings.com/interface/bossButton.php |
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21:46
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Coderjoe |
zip DISKS don't suffer the click of death. the click of death is the drive you would need in order to READ the disks |
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21:46
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SmileyG |
but the drive damages the disks... |
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21:48
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balrog_ph |
Coderjoe: Zip disks can, it's a slightly different kind |
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21:49
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balrog_ph |
It's when the Z-tracks go |
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22:03
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SketchCow |
The way to ping me into another channel IS TO USE MY NAME IN THE CHANNEL. |
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22:03
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SketchCow |
Not to come here and go "Yooooo hoooooo, look in other channell!!!!!" |
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22:09
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Nemo_bis |
Maybe he thinks this channel comes first in your irssi window or something |
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22:14
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SketchCow |
He's wrong. |
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22:18
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SketchCow |
I set up an upload before my trip down to NYC for the weekend. |
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22:18
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SketchCow |
It told me the transfer has 14 days. |
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22:18
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SketchCow |
That's epic-y |
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22:18
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SketchCow |
Hopefully it will finish more than that soon. |
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23:04
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LordNlptp |
Coderjoe: yah what happens is a click of death drive the head gets de-aligned and overwrites the z-track (a sort of servo track) that lives between the data tracks |
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23:04
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LordNlptp |
rendering whatever sector expected said z-track to be present unreadable since it can't find the sector |
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23:04
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LordNlptp |
normal zip drives CANNOT rewrite z-tracks |