#archiveteam 2012-04-01,Sun

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00:03 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor But what about The Cloud!?!!1 ;)
00:04 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Tyvek tape, huh? Interesting, had't thought of that.
00:05 πŸ”— underscor I wonder what kind of density you could get in tyvek tape
00:06 πŸ”— chronomex very low
00:07 πŸ”— chronomex but it doesn't tear or fold
00:07 πŸ”— chronomex and it's just about completely waterproof
00:07 πŸ”— chronomex australian money is made of tyvek
00:08 πŸ”— balrog_ Wyatt|Wor: as resilient as any floppy more or less
00:08 πŸ”— chronomex floppies are maybe 4x as thick as standard magtape
00:08 πŸ”— chronomex but the mag layer is about the same
00:09 πŸ”— balrog_ yeah
00:09 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor balrog_: That's what I thought, but I have admittedly invested very little in floppy data recovery in the past... ever.
00:09 πŸ”— balrog_ ahh
00:11 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor I guess you could probably store a few bytes per cm^2 on Tyvek...
00:11 πŸ”— DFJustin I've had good luck with apple floppies
00:12 πŸ”— DFJustin they are old but the density is really low too
00:13 πŸ”— balrog_ density is low, 400/800k though, density isn't that low
00:13 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Right, that's the upshot in this case. Come to think of it, are there any floppy drives that allow microstepping out of track?
00:14 πŸ”— balrog_ the kodak/drivetec one.
00:14 πŸ”— balrog_ which I badly need one of.
00:14 πŸ”— balrog_ for Twiggy disks
00:14 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Oh neat.
00:15 πŸ”— balrog_ 192tpi
00:15 πŸ”— balrog_ we think the ibm drives might be 192tpi but aren't so sure
00:23 πŸ”— balrog_ https://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-targets-fileserve-mediafire-wupload-putlocker-and-depositfiles-120331/
00:23 πŸ”— balrog_ not this :<
00:29 πŸ”— Soojin getting really tired of their bullshit
00:34 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Oh FFS, amen to that.
00:38 πŸ”— chronomex however will we share out android roms!?!
00:39 πŸ”— BlueMax secretly...
00:40 πŸ”— chronomex nah, they're legit, the problem is nobody wants to pay for the bandwidth
00:47 πŸ”— NovaKing ya, bandwidth is expensive if your stuff is popular
00:47 πŸ”— chronomex and 200megs at a pop
00:47 πŸ”— NovaKing trust me on that one ;P
00:48 πŸ”— NovaKing i can't imagine the throughput p2p does on our stuff
00:48 πŸ”— chronomex what stuff?
00:49 πŸ”— NovaKing TV "evaluation"?
00:50 πŸ”— nitro2k01 https://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-targets-fileserve-mediafire-wupload-putlocker-and-depositfiles-120331/
00:50 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Ooops
00:50 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Accidental paste
01:01 πŸ”— NovaKing https://imgur.com/P6uQp
01:01 πŸ”— NovaKing wow
01:01 πŸ”— NovaKing it's just getting worse and worse
01:01 πŸ”— * brayden sighs
01:04 πŸ”— brayden I wonder if Paramount Pictures had permission to use all those logos on their poster thing.
01:52 πŸ”— Coderjoe argh!
01:52 πŸ”— Coderjoe someone beat me to my own project
01:52 πŸ”— Coderjoe http://hackaday.com/2012/03/31/floppy-autoloader-takes-the-pain-out-of-archiving-5000-amiga-disks/
01:52 πŸ”— Coderjoe (though I have no amiga disks)
02:00 πŸ”— LordNlptp ah yeah that's the finished vrsion of that hacked up duplicator
02:00 πŸ”— LordNlptp i saw videos of the old version on youtube
02:00 πŸ”— LordNlptp it was the guts of a duplicator which was missing the hopper and case
02:01 πŸ”— LordNlptp i see he built a new one
02:03 πŸ”— nitro2k01 Hmmmm! http://www.youtube.com/theyoutubecollection
02:03 πŸ”— nitro2k01 If only
02:10 πŸ”— Coderjoe I have a complete autoloader, though, and have sniffed out the serial commands to control it
02:11 πŸ”— Coderjoe I just need to find my point-and-shoot and write up some software to cycle through stuff.
02:20 πŸ”— LordNlptp well youd' need to take pics of the disks in ordee
02:20 πŸ”— LordNlptp or rig something up to take a pic of a disk when it falls into the output hopper
02:27 πŸ”— AdamCaudi Are there any projects running to get regularly (i.e. daily to weekly) backups of higher risk blogs and the like? The question struck me while reading TorrentFreak, could also apply to political campaign sites, etc.
02:27 πŸ”— Coderjoe "At five cents a megabyte, Mr. Slashdot is nobody's friend."
02:29 πŸ”— Coderjoe LordNlptp: I was planning on putting my point-and-shoot aimed down at the output hopper and control it from the computer
02:30 πŸ”— Coderjoe (quote was a reference to: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19991016 )
03:32 πŸ”— human39 SketchCow, DFJustin -- thanks for the info. I just want my first submission to be correct.
03:54 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Hmm, only seven retries left on this. alard, if I touch STOP and kill seesaw-s3, what incantation would I use to upload the tarball that's stalled here?
04:07 πŸ”— SketchCow Back
04:11 πŸ”— dnova http://www.youtube.com/theyoutubecollection
04:12 πŸ”— dnova I love today.
04:12 πŸ”— dnova available in dvd, vhs, laserdisc, and betamax
04:13 πŸ”— BlueMax Why does someone keep posting http://www.youtube.com/theyoutubecollection
04:13 πŸ”— BlueMax It doesn't even work
04:14 πŸ”— dnova what do you mean it doesn't work
04:14 πŸ”— dnova I "placed" an order for several thousand laserdiscs.
04:14 πŸ”— BlueMax The link doesn't open anything for me
04:14 πŸ”— BlueMax Just a blank page
04:15 πŸ”— dnova fix your stuff.
04:16 πŸ”— BlueMax My stuff ain't broken.
04:16 πŸ”— BlueMax What am I supposed to be seeing?
04:16 πŸ”— dnova except you can't open a website
04:20 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Wow, Postal service for 500k DVDs only $6210? Impressive.
04:20 πŸ”— dnova agreed
04:20 πŸ”— chronomex media mail is an amazing thing
04:20 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Actually, even for LD and Beta....
04:21 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Indeed
04:21 πŸ”— BlueMax what am I supposed to be seeing? The page simply won't load.
04:21 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor BlueMax: Do you have JS disabled?
04:22 πŸ”— BlueMax Nope
04:34 πŸ”— yipdw hah
04:34 πŸ”— yipdw I like how every time you reload that page, the number of discs goes up by around 200
04:34 πŸ”— yipdw or so
04:34 πŸ”— yipdw or wait, it's random
04:35 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Yeah, I was a little saddened about that. I was hoping it was based on the number of videos or something
04:35 πŸ”— dnova yeah me too.
04:35 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor (Though at that point it would be millions of DVDs, I'm pretty sure)
04:35 πŸ”— dnova god we're nerds.
04:35 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor And there's nothing wrong with that.
04:35 πŸ”— yipdw I'm disappointed in Google
04:35 πŸ”— yipdw I'm sure they could have done it
04:35 πŸ”— dnova they were busy writing their morse code app and 8bit gmaps
04:36 πŸ”— yipdw I actually want 8-bit gmaps to be real
04:36 πŸ”— yipdw like, stick around
04:36 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor I think YT is a separate team from Maps and...morse code?
04:36 πŸ”— yipdw because I want to use it when http://chicag0.org/ happens
04:39 πŸ”— dnova Wyatt|Wor: http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2012/03/introducing-gmail-tap.html
04:40 πŸ”— dnova and they actually made it
04:40 πŸ”— dnova https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rgam.morsekeyboard
04:40 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Excellent!
04:46 πŸ”— yipdw heh
04:46 πŸ”— yipdw I just realized the copyright on the Google Maps data is (c) 2012 Google, Square Enix
04:48 πŸ”— bsmith093 is the bad status line bug fixed?
04:48 πŸ”— bsmith093 i just puled the repo, and saw a bunch of new files and changes
05:00 πŸ”— yipdw huh, what the hell is this
05:00 πŸ”— yipdw http://g.co/maps/p4uvv
05:02 πŸ”— yipdw random encounter, I guess
05:04 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor http://is.gd/1OF1Ks Another one
05:20 πŸ”— yipdw damn
05:20 πŸ”— yipdw I was hoping there'd be a bunch of tanks and a dude at Tiananmen Square
05:20 πŸ”— yipdw or a bunch of chimneys at Auschwitz-Birkenau
05:21 πŸ”— yipdw or a rapist monster in Nanking.
05:26 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Tokyo Tower and Eiffel Tower both work, on a lighter note. http://g.co/maps/dfgb5
05:27 πŸ”— yipdw hah
05:27 πŸ”— yipdw http://g.co/maps/2tzr3
05:28 πŸ”— yipdw it's even better when you zoom out
05:28 πŸ”— yipdw and back in
05:31 πŸ”— underscor wow
05:32 πŸ”— underscor we're not even halfway though memac
05:35 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor It's pretty gigantic.
05:35 πŸ”— kennethre man gruber's pissed
05:38 πŸ”— yipdw about Readability?
05:39 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Are there times he's not pissed about something?
05:40 πŸ”— chronomex he'd be pretty pleased about zombie steve jobs, yes?
05:44 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor I suppose he would, at that.
05:48 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Wait, I'm thinking of Jeff Atwood anyway. He is (to my knowledge) a different person.
05:51 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Gruber is the one that really loves Apple products, not C#.
06:32 πŸ”— Coderjoe time to start the april fools 2012 archive?
06:38 πŸ”— Coderjoe why is there no monster destroying tokyo tower?
06:47 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Coderjoe: Too early in the morning. It'll wake up later.
06:49 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor So I thought our homebrew weekly backup script/cron/hack ran three separate rsync procs because it was backing up three different filesystems....
06:49 πŸ”— Coderjoe too early? it's 3:49pm in tokyo!
06:50 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor But looking at the full CMD...is there any possible benefit any of you know of to running three rsyncs with the same source and destination at the same time?
06:50 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Coderjoe: Monsters dislike sunlight. Sensitive eyes.
07:16 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Hmm, now that I look closer, they're PID parented in a chain. What's going on here, is it normal for rsync to do that?
07:34 πŸ”— yipdw Coderjoe: I was disappointed in that, too
07:34 πŸ”— yipdw like
07:35 πŸ”— yipdw yeah
07:35 πŸ”— yipdw maybe Google will add magical girls being transported from Tokyo Tower
08:22 πŸ”— Coderjoe Wyatt|Wor: yeah, it is normal for there to be several rsync processes/threads from a single invocation
08:23 πŸ”— Coderjoe a while back, tridge added background file checking on the side that gets the file list.
08:23 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Coderjoe: Ah, I see. Something like one at each end for the checksumming and a helper?
08:23 πŸ”— Coderjoe so while it is transferring one file, it can be checking other files to determine what needs to be transferred still
08:24 πŸ”— Coderjoe i don't know how many or what each does, though
08:24 πŸ”— Coderjoe I would have to examine the source to find that, I think
08:24 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Still I'm much less worried about this now.
08:24 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor So thanks for the confirmation.
08:34 πŸ”— ersi So, anyone up for grabbin' some 1st of April pages?
08:35 πŸ”— ersi I'll just link a few I've found: http://www.telecomramblings.com/2012/04/industry-leaders-moving-on-cloud-powered-low-latency-pizza-delivery/ http://googleblog.blogspot.se/2012/03/bringing-self-driving-cars-to-nascar.html (That has to be a joke) http://blog.freenode.net/2012/04/network-wide-policy-privacy-change/
08:38 πŸ”— ersi http://marseffect.net/ from Mojang
09:03 πŸ”— emijrp to archive april fools pages you can use WebCitation
09:03 πŸ”— emijrp they have a bookmarklet
09:16 πŸ”— ersi I've never managed to use WebCitation
09:16 πŸ”— ersi Since it's such a pain in the ass to fill in all the forms
09:16 πŸ”— chronomex it's for real librarians only
09:17 πŸ”— emijrp i said they have a bookmarklet
09:17 πŸ”— emijrp http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=April_Fools%27_Day
09:18 πŸ”— emijrp http://www.webcitation.org/bookmarklet
09:18 πŸ”— emijrp it is fast as hell to archive a webpage, only 1 click
09:19 πŸ”— emijrp one-click-hosting, the archivists MEGAUPLOAD.
09:19 πŸ”— emijrp HAHAHAHAHA.
09:24 πŸ”— emijrp paste here the links you want to archive
09:32 πŸ”— Coderjoe http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/01/apple_patent/
09:33 πŸ”— Coderjoe http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/01/rim_will_pull_out_of_consumer_market/
09:41 πŸ”— emijrp done
09:46 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor haha, no matter how I look at it, the cacti graphs for my vps (seesaw-s3) look super shady.
10:36 πŸ”— Zod_ is it me, or are those articles not very funny?
10:43 πŸ”— ersi Zod_: It's not just you. I loath 1st of April
11:20 πŸ”— Coderjoe ersi: I don't really like it either
11:22 πŸ”— Coderjoe I saw the apple one at the register and was taken in at the start, but things got increasingly more crazy, and then I realized it was after midnight. :-(
11:29 πŸ”— ersi I find most of the "jokes" just boring
12:20 πŸ”— ersi http://aprilfoolsdayontheweb.com/2012.html
13:18 πŸ”— godane i really wanted to save tech tv music wars special
13:18 πŸ”— godane http://www.unitethecows.com/movies-television/21942-techtv-music-wars.html
13:19 πŸ”— godane it looks like there is a copy out there
15:59 πŸ”— SketchCow Gooood morning.
16:06 πŸ”— nitro2k01 It's sad that archive.org has to shut down
16:06 πŸ”— nitro2k01 But I guess they couldn't handle the legal pressure
16:06 πŸ”— mutoso Yeah
16:18 πŸ”— underscor morning SketchCow
16:19 πŸ”— underscor nitro2k01: hahahaha
16:19 πŸ”— underscor that was great
16:19 πŸ”— underscor it took me like 3 minutes to fiure that out
16:19 πŸ”— underscor figure*
16:38 πŸ”— SketchCow My DNA Lounge script, that much better.
16:39 πŸ”— balrog_ph Hey SketchCow, how goes?
16:41 πŸ”— SketchCow It goes well.
16:41 πŸ”— SketchCow Going out to get food soon.
16:42 πŸ”— SketchCow Set up an FTP for someone to upload even more fun stuff
16:42 πŸ”— balrog_ph Cool :)
17:05 πŸ”— underscor sounds good
17:05 πŸ”— underscor we're leaving for the outer banks soon :D
17:06 πŸ”— underscor (this being the same trip last year that brought me fame and riches for the google video stuff)
17:06 πŸ”— underscor :D
17:11 πŸ”— SketchCow Well, take it easy this time.
17:11 πŸ”— SketchCow No need to IRC
17:11 πŸ”— SketchCow Take a walk
17:24 πŸ”— underscor Haha
17:25 πŸ”— underscor Well, now I have a smartphone
17:25 πŸ”— underscor so I can IRC and code FROM THE BEACH
17:25 πŸ”— underscor \o/
17:25 πŸ”— underscor :D
17:25 πŸ”— underscor hahahaha
17:33 πŸ”— underscor in fact
17:33 πŸ”— underscor I could probably get one of those waterproof boating bags
17:34 πŸ”— underscor and IRC FROM THE OCEAN
17:37 πŸ”— shaqfu A literal "excess flood" error
17:40 πŸ”— underscor hahahaha
17:40 πŸ”— underscor that's awesome
17:44 πŸ”— SvenG underscor: /join #jaws
17:44 πŸ”— SvenG beware the tsunamis!
17:45 πŸ”— SvenG taking a smartphone along can actually help... there was this danish guy recently who tried to cross over the red sea - and got stuck right in it.
17:47 πŸ”— underscor * Cannot join #jaws :You have joined too many channels
17:47 πŸ”— underscor :'(
17:47 πŸ”— underscor SvenG: wow, that's cool
17:47 πŸ”— underscor I mean, not cool
17:48 πŸ”— underscor but you know what I mean
17:52 πŸ”— SvenG sure... "IRC rules the waves!"
17:56 πŸ”— tef hey SvenG :-) I haven't seen you since ccc past!
18:11 πŸ”— SvenG tef: err.. ugh... please remind me... cache full, it seems
18:51 πŸ”— closure_ has anyone made a nice archive of all the xkcd comics for today?
19:00 πŸ”— SmileyG theres more than one?
19:06 πŸ”— SvenG does xkcd churn out so many a day now that you need an archive for ir?
19:06 πŸ”— SvenG or is this about an archive of all xkcd cartoons for april 1st in all years of existence?
19:07 πŸ”— SvenG hmm... "the berlin CHairlift".. 1948.. i remember it well!
19:08 πŸ”— SvenG worked much better than the wheelchAIRLIFT, though
19:08 πŸ”— closure_ SvenG: today's is geotargeted, amoung other things
19:09 πŸ”— SvenG um.. how?
19:09 πŸ”— closure_ http://www.reddit.com/r/comics/comments/rnpiw/mindboggling_xkcd_april_fools_comic/
19:09 πŸ”— closure_ using haskell
19:09 πŸ”— closure_ comic writes itself
19:10 πŸ”— SvenG ahhhh
19:10 πŸ”— SvenG okay.. *now* inderstand the request for an archive!
19:10 πŸ”— SmileyG ah i missed it hten ¬_¬
19:11 πŸ”— yipdw hmm, I got http://imgs.xkcd.com/a1panels/a4a856e1f7316d4a3d94958aace6a6375f20e113a3c8a24cefe07c29a64a0f01.jpg
19:13 πŸ”— closure_ I got the snake one, which is cool as it varies depending on window size
19:13 πŸ”— SmileyG oh yeah i got snake, very cool
19:14 πŸ”— SmileyG hopefully randal will put up a post explaining them all
19:43 πŸ”— closure_ http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9942743/UmweltChrome.jpg lol
19:48 πŸ”— swebb http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/looflirpa/ee04/?pfm=AprilFools_homepage_Featured_2_ee04
19:52 πŸ”— bsmith093 godane: have you been able to find that special, cause that torrent link is dead
20:06 πŸ”— SketchCow 21:27 < balrog> SketchCow: FYI, most people here don't think that's gonna go anywhere
20:06 πŸ”— SketchCow One other piece of business:
20:06 πŸ”— SketchCow Just wanted to mention.
20:06 πŸ”— SketchCow It went somewhere.
20:08 πŸ”— balrog_ph SketchCow: What was I talking about there against
20:08 πŸ”— balrog_ph again*
20:08 πŸ”— underscor jsmess
20:08 πŸ”— underscor iirc
20:08 πŸ”— underscor SketchCow: zing!
20:08 πŸ”— underscor hahaha
20:08 πŸ”— SketchCow Yeah
20:08 πŸ”— SketchCow Next time, don't make the mistake of telling me that something is something other people don't believe I can do.
20:08 πŸ”— balrog_ph Well it will help MESS on PNaCl too
20:09 πŸ”— balrog_ph Since both face the exact same set of problems
20:09 πŸ”— SketchCow Jussssst saying.
20:09 πŸ”— SketchCow Had to mention that, before I go in balls deep into this discferret project.
20:09 πŸ”— underscor I tell SketchCow things aren't possible to encourage him
20:09 πŸ”— balrog_ph I didn't realize at the time that emscripten was a LLVM backers
20:09 πŸ”— SketchCow JSMESS is happening. It's happening.
20:09 πŸ”— balrog_ph backend*
20:09 πŸ”— underscor It increases his productivity 10000000%
20:09 πŸ”— SketchCow Regardless.
20:09 πŸ”— balrog_ph If I did, I probably wouldn't have said that :)
20:09 πŸ”— underscor if you tell him he can't do it
20:09 πŸ”— underscor ;D
20:09 πŸ”— SketchCow Your being uninformed doesn't make the mistake of the action any less.
20:10 πŸ”— SketchCow It's a poor habit to tell people involved in a project you have no dog in that they're doomed.
20:10 πŸ”— balrog_ph Yeah I did realize it
20:10 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm only telling you this before I go in with YOUR fun thing you believe in
20:10 πŸ”— balrog_ph Also JS performance has been improving faster than anyone has anticipated
20:10 πŸ”— underscor SketchCow: I assume you just don't want to talk about the email I sent right now, not that you missed my skype messages about it?
20:10 πŸ”— shaqfu Well, now I know how to get something utterly insane done: tell SketchCow it's impossible
20:11 πŸ”— balrog_ph I was wrong there, after re-evaluating things... Yes it's definitely possible
20:11 πŸ”— underscor shaqfu: exactly :D
20:11 πŸ”— underscor >it's not possible
20:11 πŸ”— underscor it happens
20:11 πŸ”— underscor >I was wrong, after re-evaluating things
20:11 πŸ”— underscor :P
20:12 πŸ”— shaqfu "This space elevator project is impossible!"
20:12 πŸ”— shaqfu One month later, jselevator is built
20:12 πŸ”— balrog_ph Today it might be impossible
20:12 πŸ”— underscor hahahahahaa
20:12 πŸ”— balrog_ph But some point in the near or not so near future... :p
20:12 πŸ”— DFJustin go beyond the impossible and kick reason to the curb
20:12 πŸ”— underscor shaqfu: that's fantastic
20:13 πŸ”— balrog_ph I'm involved in quite a bit of minecraft related stuff and some of the things I've seen happen, or that I helped kick off, most people were writing off as impossible
20:13 πŸ”— balrog_ph :D
20:13 πŸ”— shaqfu DFJustin: Just who the hell do you think we are?!
20:15 πŸ”— SketchCow WAS JUST SAYING
20:15 πŸ”— SketchCow NOW WATER UNDER BRIDGE
20:15 πŸ”— SketchCow SPANKING OVER
20:16 πŸ”— balrog_ph :p
20:17 πŸ”— * SvenG .oO(rule34?)
20:17 πŸ”— chronomex NO
20:17 πŸ”— underscor :D
20:17 πŸ”— underscor We need some archiveteam rule34
20:17 πŸ”— underscor Even better
20:17 πŸ”— chronomex NO
20:17 πŸ”— underscor SketchCow rule34
20:17 πŸ”— underscor Internet Archive rule34
20:17 πŸ”— SvenG rule34 is rule34.
20:17 πŸ”— underscor jimbo wales rule34
20:17 πŸ”— underscor ewwwww
20:18 πŸ”— emijrp I heard Jimbo Wales.
20:20 πŸ”— emijrp underscor: I'm intrigued, are you using the IA machine to download wikis?
20:20 πŸ”— emijrp I remember you started a lot of jobs, but, no feedback since a long time.
20:21 πŸ”— underscor I was, haven't been recently
20:21 πŸ”— underscor been very busy :(
20:21 πŸ”— * Nemo_bis wants underscor's IA machine to run hundreds of dumps
20:21 πŸ”— underscor I'd like to have some sort of web based interface to control that, actually
20:21 πŸ”— emijrp k k, no problem
20:21 πŸ”— underscor add new API urls, scrape frequencies, etc
20:21 πŸ”— underscor automated uploading and versioning, etc
20:22 πŸ”— Nemo_bis underscor, would you like to file some bugs on how tools should be improved to make large scale tasks mora manageable?
20:22 πŸ”— underscor I'd love to
20:22 πŸ”— underscor once I actually get nitty-gritty with it
20:22 πŸ”— underscor I haven't used it for a while :(
20:22 πŸ”— Nemo_bis my main issues have been with APi and error handling
20:23 πŸ”— Nemo_bis https://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/issues/detail?id=44
20:24 πŸ”— Nemo_bis and https://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/issues/detail?id=33
20:24 πŸ”— Nemo_bis underscor, and what do you mean with web interface?
20:26 πŸ”— Nemo_bis what you said should IMHO be controlled by fetching API URLs from wikistats http://s23.org/wikistats/ | http://wikistats.wmflabs.org/ , storing them in some IA metadatada field together with last retrieve date, and then periodical rerun of the dump using metadata
20:27 πŸ”— underscor I mean a web interface to monitor the things
20:27 πŸ”— underscor instead of having tons of terminal windows open
20:27 πŸ”— underscor also that allows people to submit new API urls that they find
20:28 πŸ”— underscor and handles the scheduling of new jobs
20:28 πŸ”— underscor etc
20:28 πŸ”— chronomex spiffy
20:28 πŸ”— underscor should make one for urlteam too
20:28 πŸ”— underscor integrate the tools with gearmand
20:29 πŸ”— underscor So people can just have dumb machines that scrape until b&d
20:29 πŸ”— Nemo_bis the API urls should be submitted to wikistats
20:29 πŸ”— Nemo_bis it doesn't make sense to maintain multiple lists of wikis
20:29 πŸ”— Nemo_bis IMHO
20:30 πŸ”— underscor That's fine.
20:30 πŸ”— underscor My thing wouldn't be to "maintain a list of wikis", just control kicking off crawlers
20:30 πŸ”— Nemo_bis The bugs I linked are probably blockers anyway.
20:30 πŸ”— Nemo_bis Yep.
20:31 πŸ”— Nemo_bis Blockers because you must control the terminal if the script fails often and needs manual intervention, and because if you rely on index.php you need two URLs and you have even more errors of all sorts.
20:32 πŸ”— underscor You don't need to control the terminal if the script fails often
20:33 πŸ”— underscor Just monitor stdout and stderr and write handling logic on the control side
20:33 πŸ”— underscor Whether it's just an email that says "this broke" or a db flag or something else
20:34 πŸ”— Nemo_bis Restarting a job two times a day isn't fun.
20:35 πŸ”— Nemo_bis And it's not trivial to identify all errors, I found many sorts just running a few dozens jobs. Not all of them kill the job or give some clear signal, sometimes they loop, etc.
20:36 πŸ”— Nemo_bis Not to mention that each time you restart you consume an awful lot of CPU, and that the initial fetch of titles is CPU intensive too, without API.
20:39 πŸ”— Nemo_bis Ah, and your interface should probably control something like this, not the current script: https://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/issues/detail?id=35
20:43 πŸ”— underscor That bug describes what I wanted my interface/backend to do exactly
20:43 πŸ”— underscor :P
20:45 πŸ”— SvenG http://wurstball.de/70170/ errr... "shopped"?
20:47 πŸ”— closure_ this popped up on my 30 year delayed newsfeed. prescient! http://article.olduse.net/147@Ansc.UUCP
20:47 πŸ”— closure_ "Each week you will recieve approx. 360 million bytes of logarithmically
20:47 πŸ”— closure_ compressed PCM data (at 20khz sample rate) which will wholly reproduce
20:48 πŸ”— closure_ a complete LP." -- in 1982
20:54 πŸ”— underscor Yay, beachtime!
20:55 πŸ”— SvenG contemporary music, however, compresses a lot better... they fit well on a floppy
20:55 πŸ”— underscor It's all the same bits
20:55 πŸ”— underscor :D
21:01 πŸ”— SvenG zeros and ones.. yeah
21:02 πŸ”— underscor I meant that they reuse the same ideas
21:02 πŸ”— underscor bits as in pieces
21:02 πŸ”— underscor not bits as in 10101010101010
21:02 πŸ”— underscor :)
21:07 πŸ”— SvenG sure.. when you break it up.. it's all bits and pieces
21:07 πŸ”— SvenG isnt everything?
22:03 πŸ”— closure_ http://www.youtube.com/theyoutubecollection seems to be made especally for SketchCow
22:05 πŸ”— closure_ "You have selected 547,521 discs"
22:05 πŸ”— closure_ "Alternate Formats: Betamax Tape"
22:05 πŸ”— chronomex <3
22:05 πŸ”— chronomex ahhh, laserdisc
22:06 πŸ”— closure_ Gift Options: Gift wrapped$143,156
22:06 πŸ”— closure_ Shipping and Handling: Freight Vessel$131,002
22:06 πŸ”— * closure_ uncaps his card to $3 million and hits submit
22:06 πŸ”— closure_ 2045, delivery not bad
22:06 πŸ”— shaqfu Wonder if they'll just drop a cargo container on your front lawn
22:07 πŸ”— * shaqfu tries to special order U-Matic tapes
22:07 πŸ”— closure_ I am disappointed they did not let me enter the IA's address
22:07 πŸ”— closure_ I assumed the freight vessel could get pretty close to IA
22:08 πŸ”— shaqfu Crash a ship into San Francisco and aim it at IA
22:08 πŸ”— SketchCow I like the jok
22:08 πŸ”— SketchCow e
22:08 πŸ”— chronomex reminds me of http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Special-Delivery.aspx
22:38 πŸ”— SvenG https://supporters.eff.org/civicrm/mailing/view?reset=1&id=169 "In a nod to his eponymous law, security expert Bruce Schneier has reportedly developed an encryption technique that is so clever that even Bruce Schneier can't figure out how to break it."
22:57 πŸ”— Ymgve wat
22:58 πŸ”— Ymgve it's basically a criteria for any crypto algorithm that the author haven't found a break in it
23:02 πŸ”— SvenG sure... *all* my algorithms are like that ^^
23:22 πŸ”— DFJustin LordNlptp your iso is up at http://archive.org/details/cdrom-isv-master-game
23:38 πŸ”— Ymgve SketchCow: Why JSMESS and not JavaMESS?
23:39 πŸ”— balrog_ Ymgve: because JS != Java
23:40 πŸ”— Ymgve balrog_: yeah, but I would think Java would be better suited for the task
23:40 πŸ”— balrog_ I don't want to imagine that :|
23:40 πŸ”— balrog_ and java in the browser is pain
23:40 πŸ”— Ymgve JS is also a pain
23:40 πŸ”— chronomex java comes from oracle, who is not to be trusted
23:40 πŸ”— chronomex simple enough
23:41 πŸ”— balrog_ JS runs natively in browsers
23:41 πŸ”— Ymgve Well, they can't retroactively change their license, can they?
23:41 πŸ”— chronomex they can kill it
23:41 πŸ”— Ymgve and worst case, someone could make their own bytecode interpreter
23:42 πŸ”— Ymgve anyway, JS isn't just port and forget
23:42 πŸ”— Ymgve I tried the MESS emulator on one PC under firefox, and it crashed firefox
23:42 πŸ”— shaqfu I figured it was JS because he liked the double entrende :P
23:42 πŸ”— Ymgve I tried it in Opera, and some graphic elements are missing
23:42 πŸ”— balrog_ JS is more like fix everything for platform independent LLVM
23:42 πŸ”— balrog_ where is the test version? :)
23:42 πŸ”— Ymgve http://jsmess.textfiles.com/
23:43 πŸ”— Ymgve I also don't like MESS, but that's another debate
23:43 πŸ”— Ymgve (due to its nature, it will never be as perfect as a single-system focused emulator)
23:44 πŸ”— balrog_ well, I don't see a better design for the countless different systems.
23:44 πŸ”— balrog_ different yet often very similar
23:44 πŸ”— Ymgve or not at all
23:45 πŸ”— Ymgve example: the VIC and SID chips of C64, which even the "proper" emulators can't do 100% yet
23:45 πŸ”— balrog_ most of the time at least some stuff is common between platforms
23:45 πŸ”— balrog_ several Commodore machines used SIDs
23:45 πŸ”— balrog_ "which even the "proper" emulators can't do 100% yet" Ҁ” for now :p
23:48 πŸ”— Ymgve I kinda understand what SketchCow wants to do, but I think being afraid of obsoletion of modern platforms doesn't matter _that_ much when we have the source code
23:48 πŸ”— balrog_ it shouldn'tҀ¦ especially with a common language like C
23:48 πŸ”— balrog_ but what jsmess is doing is getting platform specific stuff out of MESS
23:48 πŸ”— balrog_ since emscripten is an LLVM backend, and has to spit out platform independent code
23:49 πŸ”— SketchCow Ymgve: That is adorably naive
23:49 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor Ymgve: That's the problem. We DON'T have the source code for a lot of games.
23:50 πŸ”— Ymgve Wyatt|Wor: I'm more talking about the source code for MESS
23:50 πŸ”— SketchCow Are we going to seriously have this debate?
23:50 πŸ”— SketchCow Probably not, we have other things to discuss.
23:50 πŸ”— Wyatt|Wor And no, emulation is no substitute for hardware.
23:50 πŸ”— Ymgve SketchCow: btw, http://archive.org/details/software-double-r-pack - are those piracy-free? :)
23:50 πŸ”— SketchCow Oh, wait, one thing: Java is fucked beyond all possibility
23:50 πŸ”— SketchCow Ymgve: Duh
23:50 πŸ”— SketchCow Dude, what's with you tonight?
23:51 πŸ”— SketchCow Keep down this road, see where it leads.
23:51 πŸ”— Ymgve Well, I don't care, you could put up a whole warez scene archive for all I care
23:52 πŸ”— Ymgve SketchCow: anyway, Java might be fucked, but JS isn't that much better at the moment
23:52 πŸ”— Ymgve SketchCow: what browser runs JSMESS properly?
23:53 πŸ”— balrog_ I'd say it is because of cross browser JS support/implementations
23:53 πŸ”— balrog_ while the Java plugin is utter shit
23:53 πŸ”— Ymgve because FF 11.0 doesn't apparently, and neither does Opera
23:53 πŸ”— balrog_ standalone Java isn't that bad, but at that point, why are we converting it in the first place
23:53 πŸ”— zgrant Ymgve: the only browser I've had any luck with is Chrome.
23:54 πŸ”— SketchCow Hey, balrog, apparently you can punch your clock
23:54 πŸ”— balrog_ zgrant: does input work?
23:54 πŸ”— SketchCow as ymgve has taken over the nay-sayer shift
23:54 πŸ”— SketchCow How about you drink a nice gatorade on the bench while the men play a few more rounds
23:54 πŸ”— SketchCow And we'll see what happens when the game is over
23:54 πŸ”— balrog_ even if JS is a waste, removing platform dependent stuff is not a wast.
23:54 πŸ”— balrog_ waste*
23:54 πŸ”— balrog_ and since emscripten is an LLVM backend, converting MESS to work with it involves two things:
23:55 πŸ”— balrog_ 1. fixing bugs in MESS that break platform independence.
23:55 πŸ”— Ymgve yeah, I agree with that, platform independence is great
23:55 πŸ”— balrog_ 2. fixing bugs in emscripten
23:55 πŸ”— balrog_ both of those are good things, imho :)
23:55 πŸ”— balrog_ zgrant: is keyboard input supposed to work?
23:55 πŸ”— SketchCow Anyway, seriously, let that project keep going.
23:55 πŸ”— Ymgve I don't think anything other than the intro is supposed to work
23:55 πŸ”— SketchCow I am in NO MOOD to debate it, I just saw the last episode of Buffy.
23:56 πŸ”— SketchCow 7 years of buffy, motherfuckers, I have seen them
23:56 πŸ”— balrog_ at the very LEAST, it will make MESS ready for PNaCl when google comes out with that
23:56 πŸ”— Ymgve PNaCl?
23:56 πŸ”— SketchCow SERIOUSLY
23:56 πŸ”— SketchCow STOP
23:56 πŸ”— Ymgve what's different from NaCl?
23:56 πŸ”— SketchCow If you REALLY want, go to #jsmess
23:56 πŸ”— SketchCow Kill it here
23:56 πŸ”— balrog_ yes, it's enough I agree
23:56 πŸ”— Ymgve ok, I'll zip it
23:57 πŸ”— balrog_ also, the intro runs quite well on my machine with a beta of safari
23:57 πŸ”— balrog_ :)
23:58 πŸ”— Ymgve and now for something completely different: http://nyan.cat/
23:58 πŸ”— SketchCow I'd love to see some wiki updating
23:58 πŸ”— SketchCow I got that thing on the new box, the new site, it sings, we should do some cleanup
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