[00:01] Zod_: 100% packet loss pinging the 192.168 address. [00:01] Though it doesn't give a "no route to host" error so that's encouraging. [00:02] Lemme try rsync again so I can get the actual error text. [00:02] (Now watch it work just fine.) [00:06] Well, it's not working. It's also not failing. What's the default connection timeout? [00:06] DoubleJ: what do you see in the output of route? [00:07] alard: is 25GB going to be large enough for memac? [00:08] 10.0.2.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 [00:08] default 10.0.2.2 0.0.0.0 UG 100 0 0 eth0 [00:09] Aside from not knowing what the flags mean, that looks like it ought to work just fine: All traffic for everywhere goes out through VirtualBox. [00:10] anything not on 10.0.2.0/24 is being sent to 10.0.2.2, and apparently that isn't routing 192.168/16 for you [00:11] So it sounds like the VM is doing all it can and I need to mess with VirtualBox? [00:11] alard: questions: is there a clean way to shut it down? can you perhaps have it ask for a password for the root account during first boot? [00:12] DoubleJ: assuming the default iptables setup, yes. [00:12] and assuming 10.0.2.2 is virtualbox [00:13] Yes. The VirtualBox host is 10.0.2.2 and the guest is 10.0.2.15. [00:14] Coderjoe: if you're seesawing, I don't think it really matters if you do it hard [00:14] All right. Any VirtualBox geniuses in the house? :) [00:16] DoubleJ: VirtualBox's default settings use a virtual NAT and I've found that it fucks with RFC1918 addresses [00:16] I always just set my VMs to bridge mode [00:16] and then they get an IP from DHCP from the router [00:16] instead of virtualbox's software nat [00:16] DoubleJ: depending on what you're doing, you could move the VM from the NAT mode to the bridged mode [00:16] underscor: Used to do that. It stopped working reliably. Then it stopped working ever. [00:16] oh :( [00:17] The VM basically couldn't see the network at all. [00:17] iunno then, that's what I always do. :( [00:17] Even running dhclient or manually setting addressing? [00:17] Yeah. It's set to NAT now because that was the first thing that worked. [00:17] well then the issue is a problem with Vbox and your host not having proper bridging setup [00:17] Running dhclient manually, yes. Never tried setting the address b/c I don't think the Fios router allows it. [00:18] (Or maybe I just don't know where to look in the router setup.) [00:19] But yeah, the Fios router would get overworked and conk out, then the VM wouldn't be able to reconnect until I rebooted the host a few times. [00:19] That got old real quick. [00:20] to the fios router, the VM should look like any other device on the network [00:20] And it did... when everything was working. [00:20] When it stopped working the VM just wouldn't show up in the connected device list. [00:21] and you just would need to renew your dhcp list [00:21] re [00:21] lease [00:22] if that's what dhclient -r followed by dhclient did, I tried that. Also tried restarting networking then doing the dhclient thing. [00:23] alard: suggestions: first, 25GB may not be enough to get two profiles. second, boot.sh should probably ask for an upload speed limit, if desired. [00:40] DoubleJ: try setting a static ip in the 192.168 subnet [00:42] if it's a fios router, try setting 192.168.1.88/255.255.255.0 [00:42] that should be sufficiently high to not conflict with the dhcp server or the set top boxes [00:42] (which are >.100) [00:42] The router doesn't really care where you get your IP address from [00:42] As long as it doesn't conflict [00:45] OK, VM is powered down and I'm setting the adapter to bridged. [00:46] Oh holy shit it managed to grab an address on its own this time. [00:46] \o/ [00:46] All right, let's crank all this rsyncery back up before it changes its mind. [00:49] lol [00:49] I would try out the VM, but I'm on a crappy as hell cable connection [00:49] It changed its mind: rsync: failed to connect to 192.168.1.6: No route to host (113) [00:49] 0.25 mbps down, 0.01 mbps up :( [00:49] DoubleJ: traceroute 192.168.1.6? [00:49] also, what does route -n say? [00:50] the fios box should have nothing to do with communication between two hosts on the lan in the same subnet [00:50] yeah [00:50] that speaks to a routing issue on the vm [00:50] other than handing out IPs for dhcp [00:50] DoubleJ: Can you ping backwards? [00:50] Bear with me; I have to retype because I can't ssh to the VM now. [00:50] (ie, from rsync host to vm) [00:50] DoubleJ: np [00:51] 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 [00:51] 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 100 0 0 eth0 [00:52] Aside from the formatting fail, that's it [00:52] ping 192.168.1.1 [00:52] and .6 [00:53] that says "for anything within 192.168.1.0 to 192.168.1.255, you can talk directly to them on eth0. for anything else, send it to 192.168.1.1 for relay." [00:53] which is correct [00:53] 192.168.1.1: no loss, about 2ms latency [00:53] .6: Destination host unreachable [00:54] Can you run ifconfig on the rsync host? [00:54] (And yes, I have verified that the target is 192.168.1.6 [00:54] I'm interested in the line with the subnet mask [00:54] ) [00:54] could be your system isn't listening for traffic to 192.168.1.6 on the interface it comes in on from the vm [00:54] or that [00:54] Mask for wlan0 on the receiving end: 255.255.255.0 [00:54] "netstat -ap|grep rsync" [00:55] On whatever server's running rsyncd [00:55] Or are you doing it over ssh? [00:55] (in which case, "netstat -ap|grep sshd") [00:56] Aside from the rsync that the machine is doing up to IA, there's this: [00:56] tcp6 0 0 [::]:rsync [::]:* LISTEN 29312/xinetd [00:56] hm, there's no regular tcp version of it? [00:56] make that netstat -aip [00:56] to show interface as well [00:57] i think [00:57] nevermind [00:57] Coderjoe: iirc that'll just print the interface table stats [00:57] i misunderstood the i [00:57] yeah [00:57] So, never mind then? [00:58] DoubleJ: Are you running rsync daemon, or doing it over ssh? [00:58] But yeah, not tcp version of the listener. [00:58] s/running/trying to use/ [00:58] Just rsyncd [00:58] SOrry, rsync daemon [00:58] try telling rsyncd to listen on 0.0.0.0 then [00:58] Aaaaand how does one do that? [00:58] (just curious, why not use the ssh transport since it's all local?) [00:59] technically, you can listen on ::192.168.1.6 [00:59] Oh, heh. sorry [00:59] Coderjoe: Trying to keep it simple. [00:59] (It's orking out so well for me) [00:59] Know what, I'm just leaving that typo. Seems fitting. [00:59] ps aux|grep rsync [01:00] Need the pid for the daemon process [01:00] it looks like rsync is being started by xinetd, rather than being run as a standalone [01:00] oh, right. oops [01:00] sudo service xinetd stop then? [01:00] and following that [01:01] rsync --daemon --address=0.0.0.0 --config=/etc/rsyncd.conf -4 [01:01] (or edit the xinetd config file if this is going to be something you're permanently running) [01:01] in which case I'll defer elsewhere, because I am not well versed in xinetd [01:01] Before I go monkeying around with it, will killing xinetd have any side effects? [01:02] netstat -ap|grep xinetd [01:02] Especially since this box is the one I'm on irssi with? [01:02] It *shouldn't*, unless you have other things running like tftp servers, etc [01:02] (but that's unlikely) [01:02] Run that netstat command, will tell if there's anything else. [01:02] it will stop other listening services it manages from answering [01:03] OK, that command found rsync and something called DGRAM [01:03] ^ [01:03] ok, then it won't hurt anything. [01:03] Go ahead and "(sudo) service xinetd stop" [01:03] You know what's weird though........ [01:03] You couldn't even ping .6, could you? [01:04] Correct. [01:04] >:| [01:04] What if you ping backwards? [01:04] (server to VM) [01:04] Also, can you ping from the virtualbox host to .6? [01:05] from non-host to VM: sub-2ms [01:05] :I [01:05] I wonder if something is happening to arp traffic [01:05] That's... very strange [01:05] from host to non-host: Destination unreachable [01:05] yea [01:05] something funky is going on with arp traffic [01:06] Coderjoe: sounds like it, if the host isn't working either [01:06] yep [01:06] It got 192.168.1.1 though, which is what's strange [01:06] DoubleJ: Do you have any other devices on the network? [01:06] Settop boxes, maybe? [01:06] (or other PCs/phones) [01:07] On the network I have: host (.2), VM (.3), non-host (.6) an Android Phone and a Galaxy Tab. [01:07] ok, can you ping the android phone from the vm and the host? [01:08] The android devices may not be acively hitting the network ATM. [01:08] (network info II is a fantastic free app for getting the network settings of your device) [01:08] ie, ip, subnet mask, ssid, etc [01:09] WWAN (3g) ips and WLAN (wifi) ips [01:09] etc [01:09] or you can just go into the hidden menu [01:09] The hidden menu? [01:09] Phone refuses to see the network right now. It does that sometimes. [01:10] dial *#*#4636#*#* [01:10] oh [01:10] don't call it, just punch it into the built-in dialer [01:10] :o [01:10] it also might only work on motorola devices [01:11] works on my pantech breakout [01:11] OK, Tab can see the network. Quick way to find its IP address? [01:12] If it doesn't have the dialer, then network info II, unless Coderjoe knows a faster way [01:12] i do not [01:12] Logged into the router :) OK, it's on .4 I think [01:13] And it works. ~80ms latency [01:13] (from host) [01:13] ... [01:14] Also successful from vm [01:14] That's incredibly strange [01:14] I'm really at a loss :/ [01:14] possibly the host isn't listening for arp on the interface the vm traffic comes in from [01:15] or is sending the arp reply on the wrong interface [01:15] Coderjoe: En ingles por favor? [01:15] that sounds so weird though [01:15] Also, doesn't the host only have one interface? [01:15] that would be so strange [01:16] alard: kinda dislike how it handles errors, though. the tmux pane just vanishes and you're on one downloader until that one also dies [01:17] underscor: Everything has one interface. Exception is the dead LAN port on non-host and the unused VBox host-only adapter on its own private Class C. [01:18] strange [01:18] iunno then [01:18] that's very strange [01:18] On the one hand, it's nice to know I"m not just dumb. [01:18] On the other hand, I don't like having problems so odd that nobody knows how to fix them. [01:19] - Result: du: cannot access 'data/m/ma/mag/magic_eye/web.me.com/web.me.com-magic_eye*': No such file or directory [01:19] Nothing ever hits that sweet spot between what I know and what everyone else knows. [01:20] rm: cannot remove 'data/m/ma/mag/magic_eye/web.me.com/.incomplete': No such file or directory [01:21] DoubleJ: your linux systems have a minimum of two interfaces: lo and the other one [01:21] (eth0 wlan0 or whatever) [01:22] True. I just don't usually think of lo as an interface since it doesn't leave the computer. [01:22] but your system running virtualbox likely has more, which are software interfaces [01:22] do a netstat -i [01:22] Can't do that on the host; it's a Win7 machine [01:22] oh [01:22] hold on [01:23] vm and non-host are both Linux [01:23] vm has lo and eth0; non-host has lo and wlan0 [01:23] do a "route print" on the command line [01:23] it will list every interface it knows of [01:24] OK, where's your favorite pastebin? [01:24] hastebin.com [01:24] in my winxp case, I have loopback, two vmware ones, a TAP one (for openvpn), a virtualbox one, and my real network port [01:24] ctrl-v,ctrl-s [01:24] :) [01:25] http://hastebin.com/popepifoya.pas [01:26] mmm [01:27] The Realtek is unplugged; the host-only is only used if the vm is set to host-only, the others I dunno. [01:27] isataps and teredo. forgot those would be there on win7 [01:28] I don't know how virtualbox handles the traffic bridging [01:29] you could do a tcpdump or such (wireshark on windows) and watch the arp traffic [01:30] if I were to guess, virtualbox may be sending the arp request out the actual interface, and as such, the windows networking stack isn't seeing it [01:31] OK, Wireshark installing [01:32] * Coderjoe makes a test VM in virtualbox with bridged networking [01:33] OK, it's running. Now what do I do with it? [01:33] I'm not using wireless on this system, plus it is xp and the firewall is off, but my test VM is able to ping my host's ip just fine [01:33] I can ping from vm to host [01:34] It's going from anywhere to non-host that's the bitch [01:34] And non-host is kind of where all the external drives are. [01:34] uh [01:34] then we are looking in the wrong place [01:34] if the non-host is inaccessable to everyone [01:36] OK, so let's wind thing abck about 10 minutes to my last ping fest. [01:36] vm to non-host: bad [01:36] host to non-host: bad [01:36] non-host to host: OK [01:36] non-host to vm: OK [01:37] Both the "bad" are "Destination unreachable" [01:37] But non-host can be accessed over the internet just fine (that's how I'm on IRC right now) [01:41] http://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/sets/72157629727983887/with/6894452734/ [01:43] DoubleJ: Does the nonhost have any weird port forwarding or DMZ settings set? [01:43] non-host is all defaults. Only port forwarding is on the router b/c default ports tend to be blocked. [01:45] (e.g. sshing to non-host I have to go to 2222 then the router forward 2222 to 22) [01:47] SketchCow: most of those aren't set to write-protected, that should be step #1 [01:48] why? [01:48] to avoid doing dumping in the wrong direction? [01:49] No such thing as too careful [01:49] Obviously [01:49] I'm too lazy to do that [01:49] I mean, really obviously [01:49] Now tell me not to store them in a fire [01:49] Looks like ProDOS is definitely in effect [01:49] but then again I'm not working on the source code for a famous game [01:49] Some of them are some sort of hard drive backup [01:49] Must have been quite the badboy, looks like it had 4 megs going [01:49] Kareteka II? Curious [01:49] Ymgve: for example some versions of windows write to any floppy you stick in the drive [01:50] Karateka II was a school project by a kid who made an animation using a Macromedia predecessor [01:50] granted these will be going through custom dumping controllers [01:50] It's on youtube, and hilarious [01:52] Aw; so much for super-top-secret proto game dumps :( [01:53] Oh, there's stuff there, have no worries [01:53] Any word on plans yet, or is that under some weird NDA? [01:54] Do I do NDAs? [01:54] JM might [01:54] Think about that time I did an nda [01:54] I dunno if he fully owns PoP [01:54] Jordan has mostly put everything up before, I assume he will this time [01:54] Ah, awesome [02:20] so I found another DOOM level collection CD- where should I upload the ISO? [02:25] if you have an archive.org account you can upload to a new item yourself and then poke jason to move it to the right collection [02:25] otherwise throw it up anywhere and I can reup it [02:26] where can I upload a 400 meg file? [02:36] dashcloud - throw it on archive.org [02:37] and I can put it where it needs to go. that's easiest. [02:38] DFJustin has provided me with somewhere to put it, and it'll move from there [02:39] Excellent [02:39] Bring me ALL THE THINGS [02:40] alard: another suggestion for the vm: turn off screen blanking [02:49] * SketchCow is now pumping all the mobileme out of batcave [02:49] fos is still holding up, so far [03:03] Holy crap, it's 11pm already? [03:03] Jesus, wasted day [03:07] did you upload anything new? did you successfully dump any of those floppy disks? [03:07] if so, not a wasted day [03:23] SketchCow: :( [03:51] http://i.imgur.com/RGI8B.jpg [04:05] Can a library that owns a shakespeare folio claim copyright on the transcription? [04:05] AFAICT shakespeare folios meet every requirement of public domain that I can think of, being published in 1623. [04:06] Is a transcription a transformative work that one can express copyright on? [04:06] www.quartos.org (which has some very nice xml copies of shakespeare folios) is claiming their text is available under the CC-by-nc license [04:07] but their actual xml files don't have any organization that claims the copyright [04:07] i could accept the xml is a 'work', but the raw text files? [04:07] I don't think they have the ownership rights to restrict me to the -nc license [04:07] transcription, probably not able to be separately copyrighted. translation, perhaps, but not transcription. [04:08] note: This does not constitute legal advice, I am not a lawyer. [04:12] Yay, let's all play law [04:12] I'll be Brisco [04:12] Wait [04:12] that's law and order [04:12] fuck it, I'm still Brisco [04:22] Wasn't there a case about phone books and copyright [04:22] I think that said that sweat of the brow isn't enough to merit copyright - you have to actually make something new [04:23] Here we go, Feist v. Rural [04:30] lawyers plus internet =huge database of lawsuits, all text searchable [04:30] whoo i knew they were good for something [04:44] yes, feist v rural <3 [05:00] if they put any editorial effort into it then they can claim a copyright on the edition but if it's a slavish copy then most likely not [05:00] I don't know of case law offhand for the latter though, only photographs [05:00] IANAL [05:01] I always read that as "I, anal" [05:01] and then have to go back [05:02] it's not that big of a semantic difference honestly [05:03] hahah [05:03] the nice thing is if it's an exact transcription you can just say you transcribed it all yourself and they can't prove you wrong [05:22] underscor: I Am No Anal Lover [05:24] unfortunately for you, underscor is [05:25] Still Brisco [05:25] I'll be the guy that strokes SketchCow's hair in prison [05:28] Anal hair? [05:39] and windows xp decides to shit the bed [05:56] sethish: the question is, why do you ask? If it has anything to do with you and copying material, forget about it and copy the material [06:15] Musicals, that's the story. [06:16] * SketchCow is now watching "The Pajama Game" on Netflix [06:20] http://fatpita.net/?i=7605 nsfw words [06:55] i've got a theory: it could be bunnies. [06:56] btw, they got the mustard out. [06:59] i'm getting dl.tv videos [06:59] may need to start uploading crankgeeks since there is like none of them are on archive.org [07:18] do any of you guys use bluray for backup? [07:20] No sane person would do that [07:21] i do backups on dvd-r [07:21] You're shortminded and foolish [07:21] i add a md5sum file to [07:21] Well, I mean, unless you're worried people might find the data and blackmail you. [07:21] also i'm poor [07:21] Then smart, very smart [07:44] spinning rust is the best current backup medium [08:24] hak5 4x09 is up: http://archive.org/details/hak5_4x09 [12:40] hohoho [13:07] merry xmas? [13:08] SketchCow: Did you change the captchas on the wiki? There's a lot of spam suddenly? [13:12] I think he wrote somethinh about the captcha shit being discontinued for mediawiki [13:13] Well, since today we got at least 50 spam pages created [13:15] oh shit! http://www.bgr.com/2012/03/28/anonymous-hackers-plan-to-shut-down-the-internet-this-saturday/ [13:15] i totally noticed that outage [13:16] Hm, my router died overnight again. THEY WERE JUST LATE. [13:17] I'm just saying something I recall about the subject.. :) [14:00] ersi: re shakespeare: Oh I already scraped it. I just don't want to have to say that it is licensed if I don't have to. The xml and text I want to include in a shakespeare-materials repo on github. [14:00] Whoops. I filled up my hdd overnight with tif's of folio images. [14:19] how would I go about resuming a failed wget? [14:21] wget -c [14:25] DFJustin: will that resume an entire site? the man page is unclear to me [14:27] DFJustin: nvm, yes it does [14:27] I only have 4gb left, and only seem to have 12 versions of hamlet? [15:16] Hi all. I've used the feedback to create an updated version of the warrior: http://archive.org/download/archiveteam-warrior/archiveteam-warrior-v1.ova [15:16] Among other things, it now gets its scripts from github, so it's easier to make changes ( https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/warrior-code ) [15:29] My Little Perlies: Scripting Is Magic [15:46] Spam problem known [15:46] I have put the broken titleblacklist back in [15:46] spam accounts will stop [15:46] I'll deal [16:02] recaptcha for mediawiki signup is cracked (or has ways of manual bypass commonly used, maybe sweatshop captcha farms in china) [16:02] it's actually very cost effective to buy captcha breakers [16:03] (not that I know from experience >.> [16:03] ) [16:20] looks like dl.tv website is on archive.org way back machine [16:21] at least this was copyed: http://dl.tv/episodes/more.php?p=2 [16:22] that url has all the episodes link and descs of episodes [18:14] Mobileme traffic has picked up notably [18:14] At least, as far as it can tell from the tarfiles being uploaded [18:14] kenneth effect [18:15] SketchCow, how fast can you transform a pile of CDs/DVDs in a nice collection if ISOs? :D [18:16] Not sure [18:16] Haven't really set up a station yet [18:16] That's on the list [18:16] Oh, right. [18:16] But assume it takes, oh, 3-5 minutes to do an ISO [18:16] Depending on the ISO. [18:16] Inject and eject manually? [18:16] Then it's a matter of scanning the material. [18:16] I tend to. [18:17] It's safe to say I can do "a lot" if it's in my workflow that day [18:17] :) [18:23] A reason for asking? [18:42] Hm, are there any decent archives of Soviet software? [18:46] Not sure [18:46] Like, I don't speak russian. [18:46] But I have an archive of some soviet cyberpunk [18:46] If you want to see [18:47] maybe sockington does [18:47] http://www.textfiles.com/russian/ [18:48] Thanks [18:49] I asked since I think I'm getting a job offer to work in a former Soviet state this week, and I wasn't sure if there was interest in people uploading software from there [18:50] hopefully you're working in the state with superior potassium [18:50] yipdw: Actually, I would be [18:50] heh [19:08] > Inbound bandwidth for us is totally free, so if this is a case of just sucking down content and you're reasonably confident you're not going to get us a cease & desist from anyone, I'd be happy to provision whatever you needed. We have racks of servers just sitting unused right now, and many gigabits of bandwidth idle, so I'm happy to help. [19:08] Got a guy that'll donate two or three racks of idle servers for mobileme [19:08] \o/ [19:09] (and then he'll let us borrow drives or something. I dunno, still fleshing out the details on pulling it out.) [19:09] "totally free" [19:10] this guy won't know what hit him [19:10] :D [19:10] heheh [19:12] hahahaha [19:12] He has 3-4 Gbps of inbound fiber \o/ [20:54] underscor yet again makes big plans for someone else's hardware [20:56]