#archiveteam 2012-04-05,Thu

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00:00 🔗 godane1 SketchCow: there are some computer and video games magazines on out of print archive
00:00 🔗 godane1 issue 168-174
00:00 🔗 godane1 i thought it ended in 1992
00:52 🔗 closure_ holy christ..
00:53 🔗 closure_ I read olduse.net , and "today" in 1982, someone posted source code to a terminal mode pacman game to it
00:53 🔗 closure_ so, I downloaded the files. Made 2 changes. built. run.
00:53 🔗 closure_ it works
00:58 🔗 closure_ http://source.olduse-net.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=blob;f=doc/sources/pacman/pacman.c;h=95f78c345433b50d1a9ce7dc7a35edd35b6fb972;hb=HEAD
01:02 🔗 SketchCow closure_: Do you have it working somewhere?
01:03 🔗 closure_ yes
01:03 🔗 closure_ 100% working.
01:03 🔗 SketchCow Geez, where's the "download this" from GIT
01:03 🔗 closure_ http://olduse.net/sources/pacman/
01:03 🔗 closure_ for your wget pleasure
01:03 🔗 closure_ "make" should work, if you have the right dev libraries, on linux at least
01:03 🔗 zgrant What two changes did yo make?
01:03 🔗 zgrant *you
01:04 🔗 closure_ 1: commented out some function that seems to be included in curses these days
01:04 🔗 closure_ 2. changed an extern int errno into #include <errno.h>
01:04 🔗 zgrant cool. Thanks for sharing this.
01:04 🔗 SketchCow Didn't work
01:04 🔗 closure_ I've had a harder time porting modern FreeBSD code to Linux.
01:04 🔗 SketchCow It downloaded Makefile as a index.html
01:04 🔗 closure_ ah, I see
01:05 🔗 closure_ oh, my site htmlifid all the sources, how useless for you :)
01:07 🔗 closure_ SketchCow: re-download. fixed.
01:09 🔗 SketchCow Well there it is.
01:11 🔗 SketchCow It's a sweetie.
01:11 🔗 closure_ /* Terminal handling for video games taken from aliens
01:11 🔗 DoubleJ Help me, for I do not Linux weel:
01:11 🔗 closure_ /* Fall 1979 Cambridge Jude Miller
01:11 🔗 DoubleJ curses.h: No such file or directory
01:12 🔗 closure_ I love that part
01:12 🔗 closure_ apt-get install libncurses-dev
01:12 🔗 closure_ so somewhere out there, possibly, is a 1979 space invaders clone done in curses
01:13 🔗 DoubleJ Danke
01:14 🔗 DFJustin http://www.mpp.mpg.de/~huber/vmssig/src/FOR/SPACE_INVADERS.FOR
01:15 🔗 closure_ aha, anther branch of the tree
01:16 🔗 DoubleJ Nice. Keys are kind of anti-intuitive nowadays but I could probably get used to it with practice.
01:16 🔗 * DFJustin installs gcc-g77
01:17 🔗 SketchCow http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/nwbg9Le2Mf2Imk4cKOGL
01:17 🔗 DoubleJ Cool find, closure
01:21 🔗 closure_ I'm waiting for a nice old copy of rogue
01:22 🔗 closure_ which is not being posted to usenet yet in 1982, to avoid spoilers, but is sent around to site admins
01:22 🔗 gui77 damn i really should learn regex :/
01:23 🔗 gui77 renaming is such a bitch
01:30 🔗 DFJustin well g77 hates that file
01:33 🔗 DFJustin here's another branch http://peekbot.jamtronix.com:6502/all_texts/ftp://ftp.whtech.com/magazines/micropendium/disks/9408.dsk
01:34 🔗 DFJustin seems to have gotten around ftp://195.5.253.194/pub/irix/src/irix-6.5.5-src/6.5.5/f/eoe/lib/libcurses/demo/aliens.c
01:40 🔗 DFJustin http://interbutt.com/temp/aliens.png
01:42 🔗 closure_ yeah, I got it going to, after commenting out draino(). trippy. controls don't work here
01:42 🔗 DFJustin ok archive.org needs this shit http://peekbot.jamtronix.com:6502/
01:44 🔗 DFJustin space for laser beam works but nothing else
01:46 🔗 closure_ cleared level 1 with only space :)
01:56 🔗 DFJustin seriously holy shit http://peekbot.jamtronix.com:6502/all_texts/http%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdownload%2F2012-01-20-kryoflux-test-evening%2FSuccessful-Subset.zip.zip%2FComputer%2520Preperation%2520for%2520the%2520SAT%2520-%2520Vocabulary%2520Flashcards_s0.dsk
02:04 🔗 DFJustin http://peekbot.jamtronix.com:6502/native_file/http%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdownload%2Fcdrom-retrogamer-08%2FRetroGamer-Issue082004-09-28livePublishinggb.iso%2FDATA%252FCommodore%252064%252FHeavy%2520Metal%2520Paradroid.d64/12?display_mode=to_listing
02:07 🔗 closure_ wow, that's quite a chain of stuff
02:08 🔗 closure_ petabox to iso to commodore disk image to basic tokenizer ..
02:09 🔗 SketchCow That's an interesting thing there, Dopefish
02:10 🔗 DFJustin there aren't actually a lot of suitable disk image collections on IA
02:10 🔗 SketchCow It's too much for my brain to take in.
02:10 🔗 DFJustin YET
02:10 🔗 SketchCow There are
02:10 🔗 SketchCow Not obvious, though
02:11 🔗 SketchCow There's an argument to just making a huge-ass-zip
02:13 🔗 SketchCow For what it's worth, I've got Jordan Mechner's assistant uploading more images of floppy disks.
02:13 🔗 SketchCow And as they upload, the image pops up in a dropbox directory I'm mirroring here.
02:13 🔗 SketchCow This is all the stuff that he didn't get the last tme
02:14 🔗 SketchCow Here's the next question.
02:15 🔗 SketchCow The program is ripxplore
02:15 🔗 SketchCow peekbot's just a CGI wrapper for it
02:15 🔗 DFJustin in terms of floppy bang for your buck I recently came across ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/images/other_archives/
02:17 🔗 SketchCow So, the next question is to talk to Jonno about the state of the project.
02:17 🔗 phed_ ima got 200gbit internet
02:17 🔗 SketchCow It might be worth to throw some devs at the project
02:17 🔗 phed_ and a tiny disk and 100mbit ethernet
02:17 🔗 DFJustin mess' imgtool does some of the same kinds of things but in c
02:18 🔗 SketchCow Yes
02:18 🔗 DFJustin and with more bugs
02:18 🔗 SketchCow When I say throw devs, I mean to whatever end.
02:18 🔗 SketchCow I have no love or connection to ruby.
02:18 🔗 SketchCow Perl's my bag.
02:18 🔗 SketchCow But regardless.
02:22 🔗 SketchCow Oh, and Yahoo is laying off 2000 employees
02:22 🔗 SketchCow It's going to be quite something
02:22 🔗 SketchCow I think we're about to lose a lot of Yahoo properties
02:33 🔗 frame_at Good day, I like what the archive team does and would like to help out.
02:34 🔗 SketchCow Mostly, Microbrewing
02:34 🔗 SketchCow Do you know about hops?
02:35 🔗 frame_at hehe
02:36 🔗 SketchCow Also, let us know what sort of server you have access to, and what you like to do yourself.
02:38 🔗 frame_at I'm a programmer and would like to provide scripts/tools to rip or process data.
02:39 🔗 oli hi
02:40 🔗 frame_at I also operate a 100mbit/s server in Austria, but only limited HDD space: good enough to run some helpers or take care of smaller things.
02:40 🔗 frame_at Hi Oli
02:43 🔗 oli I can help with the MobileMe thing, I've got a box on 100mbit link and over 1TB space, should i run the seesaw thing?
02:44 🔗 zgrant Oli: yes, it is what I do and I don't have anywhere near the speed or space you do.
02:47 🔗 dashcloud so what properties does Yahoo have that are user-generated content that aren't Flickr?
02:49 🔗 closure_ yahoo email, yahoo groups
02:50 🔗 oli zgrant: ok, im on it :D
02:50 🔗 dashcloud apparently they still have message boards
02:50 🔗 oli how many instances of seesaw.sh should i run w/ 100mbit?
02:52 🔗 DFJustin yahoo answers
02:53 🔗 SketchCow All need consideration
02:54 🔗 zgrant oli: well, the bottle neck for me upload speed, so maybe you should gauge the number of instances off of your upload speed.
02:54 🔗 oli okey
02:55 🔗 zgrant oli: The best people to answer your question would be SketchCow, alard, kennethre, Coderjoe and closure_
02:55 🔗 oli why is SketchCow always in that list
02:55 🔗 oli :P
02:56 🔗 SketchCow Oli! It's been a while
02:56 🔗 SketchCow We have our shit together more than the geocities days
02:56 🔗 oli yes it has, i got busy and had no resources to help
02:56 🔗 zgrant because SketchCow found a potion that allows him to ignore sleep.
02:56 🔗 oli but now i have a good box unmetered in st louis so im back on board !
02:57 🔗 balrog_ DFJustin: irix stuff?
02:59 🔗 DFJustin old program randomly happened to be preserved in an irix archive
03:00 🔗 balrog_ DFJustin: there seems to be unusual irix versions and source
03:00 🔗 balrog_ someone should lftp-clone or wget that
03:03 🔗 oli jesus is kenneth running this shit on like 20 machines at once or something?
03:04 🔗 frame_at Alright, I also just started the seesaw.sh on my box. Got 250GB spare, let's see if this helps
03:04 🔗 * oli responds to frame_at with a "everything helps" positive comment!
03:05 🔗 DFJustin kenneth works at heroku
03:05 🔗 frame_at The geocities backup really impressed me.
03:05 🔗 oli DFJustin: it says cloud on their site, must be good!
03:05 🔗 oli my mind just blanks and i can only think good puffy white thoughts when i see the word cloud
03:06 🔗 DFJustin damn wish I knew about lftp earlier, would have used it for mess instead of haphazardly updating
03:07 🔗 balrog_ lftp is awesome
03:07 🔗 balrog_ in large part because it can handle foreign scripts
03:08 🔗 DFJustin double damn
03:08 🔗 balrog_ that in itself is EXTREMELY useful
03:08 🔗 balrog_ used it to archive cp1251 sites before
03:08 🔗 balrog_ where normal FTP clients show ??????
03:08 🔗 frame_at hehe
03:09 🔗 frame_at I use lftp to sync one of my bigger projects. doesn't break a sweat with huge directories.
03:09 🔗 SvenG may i throw in "ncftp" as a nice client? also sports ncftpput and ncftpget..
03:09 🔗 balrog_ SvenG: just check out lftp.
03:10 🔗 balrog_ it blows any other CLI client away.
03:10 🔗 balrog_ http://lftp.yar.ru/
03:11 🔗 oli ftp is so 90s
03:12 🔗 frame_at some admins still think it's safer than access via ssh (can't keep shell and sftp apart)
03:12 🔗 DFJustin there's even a cygwin package, joy
03:13 🔗 oli is mobileme hosted on US west coast or east? asking cause if i launch EC2 instance to help i want it closest :P
03:15 🔗 frame_at oli, gallery. resolves to atlanta
03:17 🔗 * oli checks a map
03:17 🔗 oli I see
03:17 🔗 frame_at East :p
03:17 🔗 frame_at or East-ish
03:19 🔗 frame_at web. resolves to Boston area.
03:23 🔗 SvenG balrog_: checked lftp years ago.. still stayed with ncftp. :)
03:25 🔗 balrog_ SvenG: have you had to deal with non-english ftp?
03:25 🔗 balrog_ and non-unicode
03:30 🔗 SvenG errrr
03:30 🔗 SvenG you mean, dirs and file names in non-ascii?
03:31 🔗 balrog_ yup
03:31 🔗 balrog_ in weird code pages
03:32 🔗 balrog_ like cp1251
03:33 🔗 SvenG cp1251... shades of windows?
03:34 🔗 balrog_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows-1251
03:37 🔗 frame_at quick policy question. idling in here is OK?
03:38 🔗 balrog_ yeah
03:38 🔗 balrog_ as on most all irc channels
03:40 🔗 frame_at started a 2nd instance, nite!
04:10 🔗 underscor oli: they're on akamai, so you'll end up with usually one or two hops max
04:10 🔗 underscor (the big media files)
04:34 🔗 oli underscor: eggcellent
04:34 🔗 oli and hi again ;)
04:35 🔗 oli lots of photographers on me.com
04:35 🔗 oli it seems
04:36 🔗 balrog_ oli: yup
04:36 🔗 oli im gonna catch up to you underscor :P
04:54 🔗 underscor oli: :D
04:54 🔗 underscor Do it!
04:54 🔗 oli how long did it take to get where you are now?
04:54 🔗 underscor on and off since the start of the project
04:54 🔗 underscor it's been very fragmented
04:54 🔗 oli when did it start? i just jjoined today
04:54 🔗 underscor November I think
04:55 🔗 oli hmm well ive done 19GB in a few hours
04:56 🔗 oli oli: megankunisch1739MB
04:56 🔗 oli lolwot
04:56 🔗 oli nice http://web.me.com/megankunisch/Girls_Surf_Trip_Costa_Rica_March_09/Surf_Album.html
06:16 🔗 SketchCow So much data
06:16 🔗 * SketchCow is attacking the horrific back office of all the FTP/rsync uploads to batcave
06:17 🔗 kennethre good luck :)
06:17 🔗 Coderjoe mmm
06:18 🔗 Coderjoe syslog spammed stuff on my whiptail dialog pane
06:41 🔗 underscor whiptail?
06:42 🔗 Coderjoe http://linux.die.net/man/1/whiptail
06:42 🔗 underscor :o
06:46 🔗 Coderjoe see also: http://i.imgur.com/rdQE9.png
06:52 🔗 Coderjoe mmm
06:53 🔗 Coderjoe alard: for the next update, perhaps ntpd should be installed, to keep the vm clock from drifting too far
07:19 🔗 alard Coderjoe: I'm currently running ntpdate every ten minutes. People write that ntp gets worried and just gives up if the clock drifts too far, for example after you've paused the vm.
07:20 🔗 alard The only suggestion I've found is to stop and restart ntpd frequently, but that seems weird. Perhaps you now of a more elegant solution than crontab-ntpdate?
07:21 🔗 SketchCow I prefer ntpdate
07:21 🔗 SketchCow Especially for the woodchuck box
07:21 🔗 alard (And proxies, well, you can't rsync if you're behind a proxy.)
07:22 🔗 Coderjoe restarting ntpd often will put a lot a bunch of extra load on the stratum 2/3 servers in the pool
07:22 🔗 Coderjoe sure you can... I'm talking about (semi?) transparent http proxies
07:22 🔗 alard Ah, I see. Should we do anything about that?
07:23 🔗 SketchCow ha ha
07:23 🔗 SketchCow f the stratum servers
07:23 🔗 SketchCow serves them right
07:23 🔗 alard ntpdate every ten minutes will also increase the load, won't it?
07:24 🔗 Coderjoe not that bad
07:24 🔗 Coderjoe ntpd ramps up the time between pokes as it runs
07:24 🔗 * SketchCow is blasting the Marx Brothers while cleaning and assembling disk readers and pieces of boxes
07:25 🔗 Coderjoe it starts at something like 64 seconds and extends it as it continues to get answers.
07:51 🔗 Coderjoe mmm
07:51 🔗 Coderjoe supposed parody music artists that don't understant Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, 510 U.S. 569 (1994)
07:52 🔗 Coderjoe and think weird al asks permission out of legal requirement
08:14 🔗 joepie92 http://vps-list.cryto.net/ :)
09:44 🔗 chronome1 alard: I've had NTP adjust my clock by multiple hours, dunno what you mean
09:46 🔗 alard chronome1: I haven't actually verified it myself, just something that appeared when I searched for it. For example, here http://www.binarysludge.com/2011/10/31/running-ntpntpd-on-a-development-virtual-machine-vm/ (not exactly an authoritative reference, but apparently it's sometimes a problem)
09:47 🔗 chronomex ah
09:47 🔗 chronomex yeah I've had that issue
09:47 🔗 chronomex ntpd != ntpdate
09:55 🔗 ersi Well, sometimes running ntpd in a VM is silly
09:56 🔗 ersi like if you're on SLES 10.2.. which has some really fucked up clock/timing settings - making it skew like a motherfucker when virtual
10:06 🔗 chronomex yeah I had VMs which slewed like a race car cornering on frozen vegetables
10:41 🔗 godane1 i almost of the first 3 issues of Sega pro
11:58 🔗 frame_at yay, first steps! (13GB over night :)
13:03 🔗 godane1 SketchCow: do you guys have playstation game manuals?
13:04 🔗 godane1 never mind
13:04 🔗 godane1 there were on filesonic
13:35 🔗 tef I have helped archive.org do shit today :3 feels good man
14:12 🔗 kronoch K4K: ping
14:13 🔗 kronoch wrong channel, sorry
14:21 🔗 DFJustin http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/446591-NZBS-org-closing-on-April-19th-%28-%29
15:09 🔗 slickster call me im hot 1-561-299-8951
15:10 🔗 dnova someone op me
15:11 🔗 emijrp You don't need that to call.
15:11 🔗 dnova haha
15:13 🔗 slickster lol
15:20 🔗 emijrp do you know about wikidata, the new wikimedia project?
15:20 🔗 dnova no
15:21 🔗 emijrp it is in planning stage
15:21 🔗 dnova is it on the AT wiki?
15:21 🔗 emijrp it will be a repository for all kind of encyclopedic data
15:22 🔗 dnova ohhh
15:22 🔗 dnova an official project of the foundation
15:22 🔗 emijrp yep
15:22 🔗 emijrp its been launched by Wikimedia Germany
15:22 🔗 sethish mediawiki is a little weird for that purpose
15:23 🔗 sethish but it is as good of starting place as any.
15:26 🔗 emijrp there is a talk in freenode, #wikimedia-wikidata in an hour
15:34 🔗 Nemo_bis it's NOT a WMF project
15:36 🔗 emijrp not yet
15:36 🔗 emijrp you pedant
15:36 🔗 frame_at wiki-data sounds great. Giant Bomb does something similar with their gaming database "Wiskey" I believe.
15:40 🔗 Nemo_bis emijrp, will it ever be?
15:42 🔗 emijrp when phase 3 finishes, i read that WMF will adopt the project
15:42 🔗 emijrp i dont think that Wikipedia is going to use the interwiki (phase 1), infoboxes (phase 2) and queries (phase 3) from a third party project
15:43 🔗 SvenG "how i learned to stop worrying and love wiki$foo"
15:43 🔗 emijrp it is obvious, if wikidata is succesfull, it will be adopted by WMF or chapters
16:04 🔗 Nemo_bis wikidata is a software development project
16:05 🔗 Nemo_bis it will allow WMF to create a wiki with wikidata features, and we call WMF wikis "Wikimedia projects", but that's only the usual naming confusion
16:50 🔗 frame_at mobileme-grab: does seesaw.sh check fix free disk space before fetchings profiles that are big?
16:50 🔗 frame_at /s/fix/for
16:56 🔗 Nemo_bis frame_at, I don't think so; also, how would it know the size of the profile?
16:59 🔗 frame_at yeah, that's a good question. I didn't look at the source, but it could be that it's a two pass process.
16:59 🔗 frame_at Ok, have to stop my 3rd instance. Got only 10GB party space there.
17:53 🔗 alard frame_at: No, seesaw doesn't check.
17:53 🔗 frame_at ok, thanks. I'll be careful then.
17:54 🔗 alard Some profiles are very big.
17:54 🔗 frame_at yeah
17:55 🔗 frame_at I got one instance running on a vm with only one small partition. I'll stop doing that now.
19:10 🔗 yipdw frame_at: FYI, there's a monitor_free_space.sh script to do that
19:11 🔗 yipdw er, _ -> -
19:27 🔗 frame_at yipdw: perfect. thank you
19:37 🔗 SketchCow I had a torrent I was halfway downloading of PDFs.
19:37 🔗 SketchCow And then I stopped the torrent, not noticing it was done, and uploaded the PDFs.
19:37 🔗 SketchCow Do you know what archive.org's deriver doesn't like? That.
19:37 🔗 SketchCow I mean, it HANDLES it, like your girlfriend finding you vomited in the sink HANDLES it.
19:37 🔗 SketchCow But it doesn't like it.
19:46 🔗 LordNlptp so its like uploading swiss cheese pdfs instead of full ones?
19:49 🔗 SketchCow Exactly like that.
20:14 🔗 balrog_ so how goes guys?
20:15 🔗 balrog_ do we still have IRC logs?
20:16 🔗 emijrp http://badcheese.com/~steve/atlogs/
20:16 🔗 balrog_ that works; Auguste's dont

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