[00:00] SketchCow: there are some computer and video games magazines on out of print archive [00:00] issue 168-174 [00:00] i thought it ended in 1992 [00:52] holy christ.. [00:53] I read olduse.net , and "today" in 1982, someone posted source code to a terminal mode pacman game to it [00:53] so, I downloaded the files. Made 2 changes. built. run. [00:53] it works [00:58] http://source.olduse-net.branchable.com/?p=source.git;a=blob;f=doc/sources/pacman/pacman.c;h=95f78c345433b50d1a9ce7dc7a35edd35b6fb972;hb=HEAD [01:02] closure_: Do you have it working somewhere? [01:03] yes [01:03] 100% working. [01:03] Geez, where's the "download this" from GIT [01:03] http://olduse.net/sources/pacman/ [01:03] for your wget pleasure [01:03] "make" should work, if you have the right dev libraries, on linux at least [01:03] What two changes did yo make? [01:03] *you [01:04] 1: commented out some function that seems to be included in curses these days [01:04] 2. changed an extern int errno into #include [01:04] cool. Thanks for sharing this. [01:04] Didn't work [01:04] I've had a harder time porting modern FreeBSD code to Linux. [01:04] It downloaded Makefile as a index.html [01:04] ah, I see [01:05] oh, my site htmlifid all the sources, how useless for you :) [01:07] SketchCow: re-download. fixed. [01:09] Well there it is. [01:11] It's a sweetie. [01:11] /* Terminal handling for video games taken from aliens [01:11] Help me, for I do not Linux weel: [01:11] /* Fall 1979 Cambridge Jude Miller [01:11] curses.h: No such file or directory [01:12] I love that part [01:12] apt-get install libncurses-dev [01:12] so somewhere out there, possibly, is a 1979 space invaders clone done in curses [01:13] Danke [01:14] http://www.mpp.mpg.de/~huber/vmssig/src/FOR/SPACE_INVADERS.FOR [01:15] aha, anther branch of the tree [01:16] Nice. Keys are kind of anti-intuitive nowadays but I could probably get used to it with practice. [01:16] * DFJustin installs gcc-g77 [01:17] http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/nwbg9Le2Mf2Imk4cKOGL [01:17] Cool find, closure [01:21] I'm waiting for a nice old copy of rogue [01:22] which is not being posted to usenet yet in 1982, to avoid spoilers, but is sent around to site admins [01:22] damn i really should learn regex :/ [01:23] renaming is such a bitch [01:30] well g77 hates that file [01:33] here's another branch http://peekbot.jamtronix.com:6502/all_texts/ftp://ftp.whtech.com/magazines/micropendium/disks/9408.dsk [01:34] seems to have gotten around ftp://195.5.253.194/pub/irix/src/irix-6.5.5-src/6.5.5/f/eoe/lib/libcurses/demo/aliens.c [01:40] http://interbutt.com/temp/aliens.png [01:42] yeah, I got it going to, after commenting out draino(). trippy. controls don't work here [01:42] ok archive.org needs this shit http://peekbot.jamtronix.com:6502/ [01:44] space for laser beam works but nothing else [01:46] cleared level 1 with only space :) [01:56] seriously holy shit http://peekbot.jamtronix.com:6502/all_texts/http%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdownload%2F2012-01-20-kryoflux-test-evening%2FSuccessful-Subset.zip.zip%2FComputer%2520Preperation%2520for%2520the%2520SAT%2520-%2520Vocabulary%2520Flashcards_s0.dsk [02:04] http://peekbot.jamtronix.com:6502/native_file/http%3A%2F%2Farchive.org%2Fdownload%2Fcdrom-retrogamer-08%2FRetroGamer-Issue082004-09-28livePublishinggb.iso%2FDATA%252FCommodore%252064%252FHeavy%2520Metal%2520Paradroid.d64/12?display_mode=to_listing [02:07] wow, that's quite a chain of stuff [02:08] petabox to iso to commodore disk image to basic tokenizer .. [02:09] That's an interesting thing there, Dopefish [02:10] there aren't actually a lot of suitable disk image collections on IA [02:10] It's too much for my brain to take in. [02:10] YET [02:10] There are [02:10] Not obvious, though [02:11] There's an argument to just making a huge-ass-zip [02:13] For what it's worth, I've got Jordan Mechner's assistant uploading more images of floppy disks. [02:13] And as they upload, the image pops up in a dropbox directory I'm mirroring here. [02:13] This is all the stuff that he didn't get the last tme [02:14] Here's the next question. [02:15] The program is ripxplore [02:15] peekbot's just a CGI wrapper for it [02:15] in terms of floppy bang for your buck I recently came across ftp://ftp.apple.asimov.net/pub/apple_II/images/other_archives/ [02:17] So, the next question is to talk to Jonno about the state of the project. [02:17] ima got 200gbit internet [02:17] It might be worth to throw some devs at the project [02:17] and a tiny disk and 100mbit ethernet [02:17] mess' imgtool does some of the same kinds of things but in c [02:18] Yes [02:18] and with more bugs [02:18] When I say throw devs, I mean to whatever end. [02:18] I have no love or connection to ruby. [02:18] Perl's my bag. [02:18] But regardless. [02:22] Oh, and Yahoo is laying off 2000 employees [02:22] It's going to be quite something [02:22] I think we're about to lose a lot of Yahoo properties [02:33] Good day, I like what the archive team does and would like to help out. [02:34] Mostly, Microbrewing [02:34] Do you know about hops? [02:35] hehe [02:36] Also, let us know what sort of server you have access to, and what you like to do yourself. [02:38] I'm a programmer and would like to provide scripts/tools to rip or process data. [02:39] hi [02:40] I also operate a 100mbit/s server in Austria, but only limited HDD space: good enough to run some helpers or take care of smaller things. [02:40] Hi Oli [02:43] I can help with the MobileMe thing, I've got a box on 100mbit link and over 1TB space, should i run the seesaw thing? [02:44] Oli: yes, it is what I do and I don't have anywhere near the speed or space you do. [02:47] so what properties does Yahoo have that are user-generated content that aren't Flickr? [02:49] yahoo email, yahoo groups [02:50] zgrant: ok, im on it :D [02:50] apparently they still have message boards [02:50] how many instances of seesaw.sh should i run w/ 100mbit? [02:52] yahoo answers [02:53] All need consideration [02:54] oli: well, the bottle neck for me upload speed, so maybe you should gauge the number of instances off of your upload speed. [02:54] okey [02:55] oli: The best people to answer your question would be SketchCow, alard, kennethre, Coderjoe and closure_ [02:55] why is SketchCow always in that list [02:55] :P [02:56] Oli! It's been a while [02:56] We have our shit together more than the geocities days [02:56] yes it has, i got busy and had no resources to help [02:56] because SketchCow found a potion that allows him to ignore sleep. [02:56] but now i have a good box unmetered in st louis so im back on board ! [02:57] DFJustin: irix stuff? [02:59] old program randomly happened to be preserved in an irix archive [03:00] DFJustin: there seems to be unusual irix versions and source [03:00] someone should lftp-clone or wget that [03:03] jesus is kenneth running this shit on like 20 machines at once or something? [03:04] Alright, I also just started the seesaw.sh on my box. Got 250GB spare, let's see if this helps [03:04] * oli responds to frame_at with a "everything helps" positive comment! [03:05] kenneth works at heroku [03:05] The geocities backup really impressed me. [03:05] DFJustin: it says cloud on their site, must be good! [03:05] my mind just blanks and i can only think good puffy white thoughts when i see the word cloud [03:06] damn wish I knew about lftp earlier, would have used it for mess instead of haphazardly updating [03:07] lftp is awesome [03:07] in large part because it can handle foreign scripts [03:08] double damn [03:08] that in itself is EXTREMELY useful [03:08] used it to archive cp1251 sites before [03:08] where normal FTP clients show ?????? [03:08] hehe [03:09] I use lftp to sync one of my bigger projects. doesn't break a sweat with huge directories. [03:09] may i throw in "ncftp" as a nice client? also sports ncftpput and ncftpget.. [03:09] SvenG: just check out lftp. [03:10] it blows any other CLI client away. [03:10] http://lftp.yar.ru/ [03:11] ftp is so 90s [03:12] some admins still think it's safer than access via ssh (can't keep shell and sftp apart) [03:12] there's even a cygwin package, joy [03:13] is mobileme hosted on US west coast or east? asking cause if i launch EC2 instance to help i want it closest :P [03:15] oli, gallery. resolves to atlanta [03:17] * oli checks a map [03:17] I see [03:17] East :p [03:17] or East-ish [03:19] web. resolves to Boston area. [03:23] balrog_: checked lftp years ago.. still stayed with ncftp. :) [03:25] SvenG: have you had to deal with non-english ftp? [03:25] and non-unicode [03:30] errrr [03:30] you mean, dirs and file names in non-ascii? [03:31] yup [03:31] in weird code pages [03:32] like cp1251 [03:33] cp1251... shades of windows? [03:34] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows-1251 [03:37] quick policy question. idling in here is OK? [03:38] yeah [03:38] as on most all irc channels [03:40] started a 2nd instance, nite! [04:10] oli: they're on akamai, so you'll end up with usually one or two hops max [04:10] (the big media files) [04:34] underscor: eggcellent [04:34] and hi again ;) [04:35] lots of photographers on me.com [04:35] it seems [04:36] oli: yup [04:36] im gonna catch up to you underscor :P [04:54] oli: :D [04:54] Do it! [04:54] how long did it take to get where you are now? [04:54] on and off since the start of the project [04:54] it's been very fragmented [04:54] when did it start? i just jjoined today [04:54] November I think [04:55] hmm well ive done 19GB in a few hours [04:56] oli: megankunisch1739MB [04:56] lolwot [04:56] nice http://web.me.com/megankunisch/Girls_Surf_Trip_Costa_Rica_March_09/Surf_Album.html [06:16] So much data [06:16] * SketchCow is attacking the horrific back office of all the FTP/rsync uploads to batcave [06:17] good luck :) [06:17] mmm [06:18] syslog spammed stuff on my whiptail dialog pane [06:41] whiptail? [06:42] http://linux.die.net/man/1/whiptail [06:42] :o [06:46] see also: http://i.imgur.com/rdQE9.png [06:52] mmm [06:53] alard: for the next update, perhaps ntpd should be installed, to keep the vm clock from drifting too far [07:19] Coderjoe: I'm currently running ntpdate every ten minutes. People write that ntp gets worried and just gives up if the clock drifts too far, for example after you've paused the vm. [07:20] The only suggestion I've found is to stop and restart ntpd frequently, but that seems weird. Perhaps you now of a more elegant solution than crontab-ntpdate? [07:21] I prefer ntpdate [07:21] Especially for the woodchuck box [07:21] (And proxies, well, you can't rsync if you're behind a proxy.) [07:22] restarting ntpd often will put a lot a bunch of extra load on the stratum 2/3 servers in the pool [07:22] sure you can... I'm talking about (semi?) transparent http proxies [07:22] Ah, I see. Should we do anything about that? [07:23] ha ha [07:23] f the stratum servers [07:23] serves them right [07:23] ntpdate every ten minutes will also increase the load, won't it? [07:24] not that bad [07:24] ntpd ramps up the time between pokes as it runs [07:24] * SketchCow is blasting the Marx Brothers while cleaning and assembling disk readers and pieces of boxes [07:25] it starts at something like 64 seconds and extends it as it continues to get answers. [07:51] mmm [07:51] supposed parody music artists that don't understant Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, 510 U.S. 569 (1994) [07:52] and think weird al asks permission out of legal requirement [08:14] http://vps-list.cryto.net/ :) [09:44] alard: I've had NTP adjust my clock by multiple hours, dunno what you mean [09:46] chronome1: I haven't actually verified it myself, just something that appeared when I searched for it. For example, here http://www.binarysludge.com/2011/10/31/running-ntpntpd-on-a-development-virtual-machine-vm/ (not exactly an authoritative reference, but apparently it's sometimes a problem) [09:47] ah [09:47] yeah I've had that issue [09:47] ntpd != ntpdate [09:55] Well, sometimes running ntpd in a VM is silly [09:56] like if you're on SLES 10.2.. which has some really fucked up clock/timing settings - making it skew like a motherfucker when virtual [10:06] yeah I had VMs which slewed like a race car cornering on frozen vegetables [10:41] i almost of the first 3 issues of Sega pro [11:58] yay, first steps! (13GB over night :) [13:03] SketchCow: do you guys have playstation game manuals? [13:04] never mind [13:04] there were on filesonic [13:35] I have helped archive.org do shit today :3 feels good man [14:12] K4K: ping [14:13] wrong channel, sorry [14:21] http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/446591-NZBS-org-closing-on-April-19th-%28-%29 [15:09] call me im hot 1-561-299-8951 [15:10] someone op me [15:11] You don't need that to call. [15:11] haha [15:13] lol [15:20] do you know about wikidata, the new wikimedia project? [15:20] no [15:21] it is in planning stage [15:21] is it on the AT wiki? [15:21] it will be a repository for all kind of encyclopedic data [15:22] ohhh [15:22] an official project of the foundation [15:22] yep [15:22] its been launched by Wikimedia Germany [15:22] mediawiki is a little weird for that purpose [15:23] but it is as good of starting place as any. [15:26] there is a talk in freenode, #wikimedia-wikidata in an hour [15:34] it's NOT a WMF project [15:36] not yet [15:36] you pedant [15:36] wiki-data sounds great. Giant Bomb does something similar with their gaming database "Wiskey" I believe. [15:40] emijrp, will it ever be? [15:42] when phase 3 finishes, i read that WMF will adopt the project [15:42] i dont think that Wikipedia is going to use the interwiki (phase 1), infoboxes (phase 2) and queries (phase 3) from a third party project [15:43] "how i learned to stop worrying and love wiki$foo" [15:43] it is obvious, if wikidata is succesfull, it will be adopted by WMF or chapters [16:04] wikidata is a software development project [16:05] it will allow WMF to create a wiki with wikidata features, and we call WMF wikis "Wikimedia projects", but that's only the usual naming confusion [16:50] mobileme-grab: does seesaw.sh check fix free disk space before fetchings profiles that are big? [16:50] /s/fix/for [16:56] frame_at, I don't think so; also, how would it know the size of the profile? [16:59] yeah, that's a good question. I didn't look at the source, but it could be that it's a two pass process. [16:59] Ok, have to stop my 3rd instance. Got only 10GB party space there. [17:53] frame_at: No, seesaw doesn't check. [17:53] ok, thanks. I'll be careful then. [17:54] Some profiles are very big. [17:54] yeah [17:55] I got one instance running on a vm with only one small partition. I'll stop doing that now. [19:10] frame_at: FYI, there's a monitor_free_space.sh script to do that [19:11] er, _ -> - [19:27] yipdw: perfect. thank you [19:37] I had a torrent I was halfway downloading of PDFs. [19:37] And then I stopped the torrent, not noticing it was done, and uploaded the PDFs. [19:37] Do you know what archive.org's deriver doesn't like? That. [19:37] I mean, it HANDLES it, like your girlfriend finding you vomited in the sink HANDLES it. [19:37] But it doesn't like it. [19:46] so its like uploading swiss cheese pdfs instead of full ones? [19:49] Exactly like that. [20:14] so how goes guys? [20:15] do we still have IRC logs? [20:16] http://badcheese.com/~steve/atlogs/ [20:16] that works; Auguste's dont