[00:01] <SketchCow> Nemo_bis: You need to tell me
[00:01] <SketchCow> I can do it
[00:01] <SketchCow> Easily.
[00:01] <Nemo_bis> SketchCow, give me permission you mean?
[00:01] <SketchCow> Insectoid. Sorry for the thing.
[00:01] <Nemo_bis> Or move hundreds items?
[00:01] <SketchCow> I was off seeing a movie, etic.
[00:01] <SketchCow> I saw Cabin in the Woods OH MAN CABIN IN THE WOODS SO GOOD ANYONE WITH SPOILERS GETS KICKED
[00:02] * Nemo_bis saw Titanic
[00:02] <chronomex> SHIP SINKS
[00:02] <Nemo_bis> nooooooo
[00:02] <chronomex> DUMBLEDORE MOLESTS POTTER
[00:02] <SketchCow> CAMERON GETS RICH
[00:02] <SketchCow> OK anyway so
[00:03] <SketchCow> Simple offer, Insectoid - first, let me have a copy of the data. We can hold it
[00:03] <SketchCow> Then we can find ways to undark obvious things
[00:03] <SketchCow> Or, and I am fine with this, it's held for x amount of time.
[00:03] <SketchCow> I'd prefer to curate and undark, of course.
[00:03] <SketchCow> But please don't delete.
[00:04] <chronomex> ideally also point to archive.org items with 301 redirects
[00:04] <chronomex> but that's step 6
[00:07] <SketchCow> Dragan of the geocities torrent curation wants me to come to europe to talk with him at a museum
[00:09] <dashcloud> that's awesome
[00:09] <shaqfu> EU loves itself its data curation
[00:26] <SketchCow> http://i.imgur.com/9M0lk.jpg
[00:26] <SketchCow> That's the library/museum
[00:26] <SketchCow> SweeeeeeeeeEEEEeeeEEEEt
[00:27] <shaqfu> Woah, which is that?
[00:27] <Wyatt|Wor> Woah, that's badass
[00:28] <Wyatt|Wor> Lot of free shelf space on those lower levels.
[00:29] <shaqfu> Wyatt|Wor: Given the obscene waste of floor space by cutting out the center of the building, I think they're going more for aesthetics than function :)
[00:31] <Wyatt|Wor> At least in the part shown.
[00:31] <shaqfu> Looks like a huge gap between corners
[00:31] <shaqfu> Either way, fuck is it sexy
[00:32] <mistym> SketchCow: Wow. That is *gorgeous*
[00:32] <mistym> Kind of reminds me of Seattle Public Library's amazing corkscrew stacks
[00:33] <DFJustin> holy piss
[00:33] * DFJustin saves to "library porn" folder
[00:36] <mistym> BTW, SketchCow: I've got most of digiplay.info now (need to clean up my data scraping) - what's the best way to upload it to archive.org? eg, anything special to mark it as an archiveteam project (if it counts?)
[00:37] <chronomex> mistym: corkscrew stacks are good, would be better if there were escalator out as well as in :P
[00:39] <shaqfu> You museum folk are making me jealous; I spent two years in a bomb shelter :(
[00:39] <Wyatt|Wor> DFJustin: Here, another one for you http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b3/OSU_Thompson_Library_-_west_atrium_and_book_stacks.jpg ;)
[00:39] <mistym> chronomex: http://theamericanscholar.org/uploads/2011/09/Seattle_Public_Library_4th_floor_2A-e1317923814889.jpg
[00:39] <DFJustin> I had this as my dual-monitor wallpaper at work for a while http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/British_Museum_Reading_Room_Panorama_Feb_2006.jpg
[00:40] <Wyatt|Wor> Nice!
[00:40] <chronomex> mistym: that's the "inside a cyclopean colon" floor
[00:40] <chronomex> mistym: I live in Seattle, btw
[00:41] <shaqfu> Natural sunlight :(
[00:41] <Wyatt|Wor> shaqfu: We can't make our own suns yet.  We're working on it!
[00:42] <shaqfu> Wyatt|Wor: Those books in the OSU pic would prefer none at all :)
[00:43] <DFJustin> wtf is that tagbanwa script at the bottom
[00:44] <Wyatt|Wor> shaqfu: I was rather curious about that.  I think I heard the glass was UV polarised or something, but I couldn't tell from the inside. :/
[00:44] <mistym> chronomex: Oh, cool! I've only been there once, but you can tell I was p. impressed by the library.
[00:44] <chronomex> mistym: indeed. where are you homed?
[00:45] <mistym> code4lib conference was there in February. I guess I kind of associate the awesome time with the city + library too :V
[00:45] <mistym> chronomex: Winnipeg.
[00:45] <chronomex> heh k
[00:45] <shaqfu> Wyatt|Wor: I'd imagine it was; there's no way the librarians would let them build stacks like that
[00:45] <mistym> aka frozen tundra, etc
[00:46] <Wyatt|Wor> shaqfu: For 108 megadollars, I should damn well hope so. ~_~
[00:50] <chronomex> mistym: ah, yes, "winnipeg is a frozen shithole" etc
[00:54] <mistym> chronomex: Exactly
[00:55] <shaqfu> At least you got hockey back!
[00:55] <mistym> Yes, it's true!
[00:57] <mistym> My favourite depiction of Winnipeg is Guy Maddin's movie My Winnipeg, though. Truest pack of lies I've ever seen
[00:58] <chronomex> I've never been to Winnipeg
[01:53] <SketchCow> mistym: Collect up, I'll be able to talk more later
[02:06] <mistym> SketchCow: OK.
[07:44] <Coderjoe> http://archive.org/post/417779/cbs-evening-news-airs-news-piece-about-brewster-and-the-archive
[07:48] <godane> SketchCow: looks like dl.tv and crankygeeks videos are not link now
[07:48] <godane> i got all of crankgeeks but only the first 30 of dl.tv
[07:49] <godane> episode 30 not even 2 weeks ago
[07:49] <godane> its a dead link
[07:51] <godane> shit
[07:51] <godane> all media links to episode 92 are down
[07:51] <godane> this is DEFCON 1 guys
[07:52] <godane> we have to save this
[07:53] <aggro> dl.tv -> Holy fucknuts that's a lot of scripts.
[07:53] <godane> i know
[07:54] <godane> looks like i was not fast enough
[07:55] <godane> episode 249 is down too
[07:55] <godane> this is really bad
[08:02] <godane> i'm getting some 260ish episodes of dl.tv
[08:07] <godane> looks like everything with old video names are the ones have problems
[08:22] <Coderjoe> hahaha
[08:22] <Coderjoe> an oldie: http://archive.org/details/stage6-3156
[08:24] <dnova> archiveteam reacts to a shutdown notice
[08:24] <chronomex> javascript is weird.
[08:27] <Coderjoe> mmm
[08:27] <Coderjoe> http://archive.org/details/stage6-2165705
[08:34] <Coderjoe> go remix culture!
[08:34] <godane> i may get some full episodes of dl.tv from google videos
[08:48] <godane> i'm getting dl.tv episode 258
[08:48] <godane> more episodes have the new files name and hosted there
[08:58] <SketchCow> Morning.
[09:02] <Wyatt|Wor> Up early.  When's your flight?
[09:05] <SketchCow> Official time is 7am, the boarding is 6:20am.
[09:05] <SketchCow> Delta are extraordinarily asshole about times.
[09:05] <SketchCow> They want bags checked in 75 minutes before flight, they want they want.
[09:06] <SketchCow> I am only with them because they were the most not-insane times for the lowest cost.
[09:06] <SketchCow> But I do hate Delta - it says something I am doing this like this.
[09:07] <Wyatt|Wor> No doubt; this is pretty exciting.
[09:09] <SketchCow> It is a somewhat insane expense in a life where I don't have much room for it.
[09:10] <SketchCow> But the attention and resultant connection to my various causes is why I am doing it.
[09:10] <winr4r> morning
[09:10] <SketchCow> P.S. 800 radical zines. http://archive.org/details/solidarityrevolutionarycenter
[09:10] <SketchCow> I wish she had scanned some better, but that's life.
[09:11] <Wyatt|Wor> SketchCow: Do you at least get an interview with Jordan out of it?  (And whomever might also be in the area)
[09:11] <winr4r> awesome
[09:12] <SketchCow> Oh yeah, here or there, I get Jordan.
[09:12] <SketchCow> I brought a subset of interview equipment.
[09:12] <SketchCow> Not sure if I can get a great interview setup with it, I've got only the barest of essentials.
[09:14] <godane> i have some good news
[09:14] <godane> all dl.tv shows maybe on mevio.com
[09:15] <dnova> is there a version of that german kid flipping out that is subtitled in english or has no subtitles?
[09:23] <SketchCow> To think... I almost went to Wendy's!!
[09:23] <SketchCow> I look around the corner... gourmet organic to-go shop.
[09:24] <SketchCow> Also, a Todd English restaurant but they don't seem open yet.
[09:32] <jaybird11> test
[09:35] <jaybird11> test
[09:35] <jaybird11> .
[09:35] <SketchCow> Hey, it's the most awesomest blind dude in Archive Team
[09:36] <jaybird11> Yeah
[09:37] <SketchCow> Insectoid: When you are available again, I'd like to know if you'll take my offer to store.
[09:37] <jaybird11> So how do I send private messages anyway? Trying out Irssi
[09:37] <SketchCow> You use the /msg command.
[09:38] <jaybird11> Yeah, figured that. So it it /msg @sketchcow bla bla bla or whatever/
[09:38] <jaybird11> For some reason / commands aren't working, no idea why
[09:39] <jaybird11> I'd love to find a good Windows IRC client that works with my screen reader. I'll have to ask around
[09:39] <winr4r> jaybird11: without the @ :)
[09:40] <SketchCow> No @sketchcow just sketchcow
[09:40] <jaybird11> Ah yeah I figured that, but since I'm also familiar with Twitter I figured the @ might be part of his username
[09:41] <godane> my ocd is going
[09:41] <godane> got to get all dl.tv now
[09:41] <Wyatt|Wor> jaybird11: In IRC, the @ means channel OP
[09:41] <jaybird11> Ah got it
[09:41] <SketchCow> jaybird11: You could try http://nightowlproject.freehostia.com/
[09:47] <godane> i'm going to start putting up crankygeeks
[09:48] <godane> since i maybe one of the few that has all episodes now
[09:55] <jaybird11> ,/quit
[09:56] <Jaybird1> Okay, this is weird. I was using my Linode to connect just then. It seems maybe my ISP has blocked access to efnet? I can get on other IRC servers but not efnet, from my local machine
[09:57] <SketchCow> This airport is now bustling.
[09:57] <SketchCow> 6am.
[09:57] <Jaybird1> Oh SketchCow, I'd like to wish you the best of luck with your source code retrieval efforts.
[09:59] <SketchCow> Here's hoping!
[10:13] <Jaybird11> Okay I'm on using NightOwl
[10:14] <Jaybird1> Test please ignore
[10:17] <Jaybird11> test
[10:20] <godane> pilot episode of crankygeeks uploaded: http://archive.org/details/crankygeeks_pilot_episode
[10:39] <godane> episode 001: http://archive.org/details/crankygeeks_001_episode
[14:57] <mistym> Who's working on the Flickr project?
[15:17] <DFJustin> WHY http://www.atarimuseum.com/robots.txt
[15:18] <Wyatt> Clearly they're trying to provoke us.
[15:19] <mistym> DFJustin: the saddest face :(
[15:23] <balrog_> mistym: what now? :/
[15:24] <dnova> balrog_: 04/16/12 11:17:52 < DFJustin> WHY http://www.atarimuseum.com/robots.txt
[15:24] <mistym> balrog_: <DFJustin> WHY http://www.atarimuseum.com/robots.txt
[15:24] <dnova> daamnnnnn
[15:24] <mistym> dnova: You win
[15:24] <balrog_> that is stupid
[15:24] <balrog_> not as stupid as blocking * though
[15:25] <DFJustin> more perverse, though
[15:25] <balrog_> http://www.a1k.org/robots.txt
[15:25] <balrog_> it is more perverse, yes :[
[15:26] <balrog_> why would they do that, does ia_archiver really take much bandwidth?
[15:26] <dnova> I doubt it's the bandwidth they are worried about
[15:26] <mistym> balrog_: I remember seeing people block *, then wonder WHY DOES NO ONE FIND OUT SITE :(
[15:27] <balrog_> LOL yeah
[15:27] <balrog_> I didn't know of that site either...
[16:34] <yipdw> well, there is this
[16:34] <yipdw> https://www.google.com/search?q=robots.txt+User-agent+ia_archiver+disallow
[16:34] <yipdw> http://perishablepress.com/wordpress-robots-rules/
[16:34] <yipdw> this is also weird, too
[16:35] <yipdw> like so much else on the Web, it looks like people just cargo cult the Disallow: ia_archiver bit
[16:35] <yipdw> I know that a lot of those are WordPress sites, and so cargo culting is to be expected
[16:35] <yipdw> but I would not be surprised if it bleeds over
[16:36] <yipdw> tl;dr: fuck em
[16:37] <mistym> yipdw: s/WordPress/PHP/
[16:38] <yipdw> I guess
[16:38] <DFJustin> lol "perishable press", apt
[16:38] <yipdw> I just saw a lot of WordPress
[16:38] <yipdw> also
[16:39] <yipdw> http://perldesignpatterns.com/robots.txt <-- this guy has anger issues
[16:39] <mistym> Whoa. That is a long comment.
[16:39] <yipdw> that said, that is perl, so I guess anger issues are to be expected
[16:40] <yipdw> how many other unfair stereotypes can I propagate today
[16:40] <Wyatt> ahahah, Slurp is a "pisswater search engine that no one uses"
[16:42] <nitro2k01> Isn't it true though. NO ONE is using Yahoo
[16:42] <nitro2k01> Except for Archive Team
[16:43] <nitro2k01> if you get my drift
[16:43] <ersi> zing
[16:43] <nitro2k01> # Slurp makes more passes through the site than all the other search engines
[16:43] <nitro2k01> # put together.
[16:44] <nitro2k01> And
[16:44] <nitro2k01> # You know what? People create these faster than I can shitlist them, so
[16:44] <nitro2k01> # you dinks have ruined it for everyone. Unless you're Google, go away.
[16:44] <nitro2k01> "shitlist"... was expecting that this domain would be owned by Kimmo Alm after seeing that
[16:44] <yipdw> heh
[16:44] <yipdw> http://www.webmasterworld.com/robots_txt/3245173.htm
[16:44] <yipdw> I like how that file just GROWS
[16:44] <Wyatt> Is there a random sample of Geocities that's smaller than 700G and easily accessible?  Like say 5,000-10,000 accounts?
[16:45] <Wyatt> In English, preferably.
[17:13] <Wyatt> Or about 10G; whichever
[17:16] <LordNlptp> Wyatt: i have maybe 20-50 accounts here somewhere
[17:16] <Wyatt> Well, it's a start.... :<
[17:17] <balrog_> some robots.txt files make sense, to block internal URLs and stuff
[17:18] <kronoch> hell, robots.txt tells you right where to look
[17:18] <yipdw> balrog_: that's why we have HTTP 403
[17:19] <yipdw> it doesn't make sense to use a robots file to block that if it's truly internal
[17:20] <yipdw> I can see an argument for expensive operations triggered by GETs, but that is only a shitty band-aid at best
[17:20] <balrog_> yipdw: no, I mean stuff like edit pages for CMSes and all
[17:20] <balrog_> to cut down on unnecessary GETs
[17:21] <yipdw> oh
[17:21] <yipdw> ok
[17:21] <yipdw> yeah, I agree that's ok
[19:20] <oli> any of the coders able to take a look at this problem, like alard
[19:20] <oli> http://pastie.org/private/deb5yju7ld0botqw4hm6ma
[19:20] <oli> a lot of my threads are stopping there
[19:20] <oli> then i have to stop and start it again
[19:20] <oli> and from what i can see it is wasting a lot of time like this because a whole batcch from the previous download set is lost
[19:22] <Coderjoe> lachlan cranswick's site has a sensible robots.txt file: it only blocks the reports section of the site, which is a bottomless pit of generated-on-demand site usage reports, with links out to files (sometimes incorrect links, causing spider hell)
[19:23] <Coderjoe> oli: after that 100 continue, it is uploading the actual data.
[19:24] <Coderjoe> you should check with alard about updates, though. I don't think you're supposed to be going through batcave anymore.
[19:25] <oli> im using the latest script alart send me a link to
[19:25] <oli> and ok, didnt realise it was acutally uploading
[19:25] <oli> just sat there forever :|
[19:25] <oli> guess i should run nload before killing stuff :p
[19:30] <Coderjoe> i know curl won't output a progress meter unless either --output is specified or stdout is redirected
[19:30] <oli> ok
[19:45] <Wyatt> Would it be feasible to make batcave a CNAME for fos?
[19:46] <ersi> Why?
[19:46] <chronomex> edit your /etc/hosts file if you need to
[19:47] <Wyatt> Suppose that's a solution.  I'll get to it in four days then.
[19:55] <Coderjoe> Wyatt: different port number from the s3 enpoint machines, and i don't think fos is running the proxy currently
[19:55] <alard> Hi. batcave is still the way to go for the mobileme seesaw-s3 uploads.
[19:55] <Wyatt> Oh.   Well damn, never mind then.
[19:56] <Wyatt> Oh, okay
[19:56] <alard> And the scripts get the upload target from the tracker, so it's very easy to switch over.
[19:57] <Wyatt> Wow, I like this universal tracker more and more.
[19:57] <Coderjoe> ok. iirc, SketchCow was mentioning needing to stop going through batcave before too much longer
[19:57] <Wyatt> Yeah, he's been trying to get off of it for weeks now.
[19:57] <chronomex> 's good shit
[19:58] <Wyatt> So yeah, don't suppose any of you have a random ~10-15G sample of Geocities that could be acquired easily?
[19:59] <Coderjoe> i currently have no geocities
[20:00] <alard> Wyatt: Can't you just download a tar.gz and stop it halfway?
[20:01] <alard> It won't be random in a statistical sense, but it will be 10-15G.
[20:02] <chronomex> ^
[20:02] <Wyatt> alard: Yeah, that's exactly the issue.
[20:02] <chronomex> so download em all and sample yourself? :P
[20:02] <Wyatt> That's gonna take like a month.
[20:02] <Wyatt> At best.
[20:03] <ersi> Move your ass over to someone with nice bandwidth
[20:03] <ersi> Like a.. university, or something
[20:03] <Wyatt> No portable computing.
[20:03] <Wyatt> I'd do it at work, but that machine is currently tied up with mobileme
[20:04] <ersi> Bring a drive of some sort :P
[20:04] <alard> Wyatt: Heroku?
[20:04] <Wyatt> I get it, you guys don't have any.  Thanks anyway.
[20:04] <oli> how much geocities data is there?
[20:04] <oli> that was rescued
[20:04] <Wyatt> alard: Heroku?
[20:04] <chronomex> around a terabyte
[20:04] <ersi> Wyatt: I'll check with my buddy if he has any left on his drives
[20:05] <alard> Wyatt: An ec2 machine, free bandwidth.
[20:05] <Coderjoe> i really need to get those random-access gz/bz2 and tar tools I've been meaning to write written.
[20:05] <Wyatt> alard: Ah.  Hmm, might be doable.
[20:05] <DFJustin> there is e.g. this but its randomness is not guaranteed http://archive.org/details/archiveteam-geocities-latecomer
[20:05] <oli> i have a box on 100mbit only i can do something with if you need help with geocities stuff
[20:06] <shaqfu> "only" 100mbit
[20:06] <oli> yes well when we are talking about the volume of shit moving around here its not fast :(
[20:06] <Wyatt> Oh!  I might have a lead, actually.
[20:08] <alard> oli: So your mobileme curls are hanging before the upload?
[20:10] <Wyatt> Awesome, I've got a friend who was at Defcon and he got it stashed away.
[20:10] <Wyatt> Problem solved.
[20:10] <ersi> Neat!
[20:14] <oli> alard: they just sit at that point i pasted
[20:14] <oli> and i do not think they are uploading anything because i left some for ages and no progress, and not using much bandwidth
[20:17] <alard> Strange. Looking at the tracker, there are also lots of instances that stopped a bit earlier. http://memac-tamer.heroku.com/ The blue ones didn't even start uploading.
[20:18] <chronomex> I downloaded some shitpile of memac before there was an upload strategy
[20:19] <Wyatt> alard: I've noticed that My uploads have been going through a full 100 failures before trying again with a new process and succeeding the first time.
[20:19] <Wyatt> Sometimes.
[20:23] <alard> What would be a good way to solve this? 1. Setting the number of retries to one or two would help (the script retries too).
[20:24] <oli> blopody hell
[20:24] <alard> 2. curl should time out. Why doesn't it? I can't find a timeout option in the man page, except for the connect-timeout that only works at the start.
[20:24] <oli> so thats a lot of mine that are wasted really from what i understand :/
[20:24] <alard> Well, not really wasted. You can restart them if you're careful.
[20:24] <oli> i dont understand that tracker page
[20:24] <Wyatt> Doh, I actually meant to drop it to twenty or so retries, but forgot.
[20:26] <alard> Okay, I've updated the script to have 2 retries.
[20:27] <alard> For the text upload I've also set the max-time to 60 seconds. I'm not sure what I should do with the tar upload: how long can that take?
[20:27] <Wyatt> Do any of the mobileme files have non-ASCII characters in the URLs?
[20:27] <alard> Probably.
[20:29] <alard> oli: If you have a failed client, you can restart it as follows: 1. make sure it's stopped. 2. remove the to-upload.tar, if it exists, but keep to-upload.txt; 3. run ./seesaw-s3-repeat.sh again in that directory.
[20:29] <Wyatt> Oh, is THAT how you do that?
[20:29] <oli> lol already fucked it up a few times mate, i think ive lost what was done because i didnt do what you just said
[20:29] <oli> but ive noted it and will do that next time they die
[20:30] <alard> You could also try to just kill the curl, I think the script will start a new one.
[20:35] <alard> Anyway, I'm not sure what to do about the hangs-while-uploading problem. max-time is the only way to set a timeout in curl, but genuine uploads can take many hours, too.
[20:37] <gui77> hey guys i've got approx 30gB of data from mobime that i downloaded a while ago but didn't upload... before the all-in-one seesaw script was in place. do i need to arrange for a rsync slot?
[20:38] <alard> gui77: No. There's an upload script you can use. Update the code you have (git clone pull) to get the latest version. Then run ./upload-finished.sh
[20:38] <alard> Sorry, that should be git pull :)
[20:39] <gui77> what's the command for a git pull? :/
[20:39] <alard> You've used git clone before to download the scripts?
[20:40] <alard> cd to the directory that holds the scripts (and which has a data/ subdirectory with the files). Then just run git pull
[20:40] <alard> It will get the latest code from GitHub.
[20:40] <gui77> i did... but have forgotten. can't find where i found it in the wiki either. thanks mate
[20:41] <alard> Run   ./upload-finished.sh gui77    to upload. You can kill the script at any time and restart it later.
[20:43] <gui77> got it, thanks mate. it's doing the git pull now :D
[20:43] <alard> Well, thanks for uploading!
[20:47] <gui77> alard: yaay it's working - and thank you! no need for more than one instance, right?
[20:47] <alard> gui77: No, that won't work.
[21:27] <Coderjoe> curl lets you set a minimum speed and a time for that minimum speed. perhaps you can use that to detect a stop?
[21:29] <Coderjoe> alard: ^
[21:30] <Coderjoe> (see --speed-limit and --speed-time)
[21:31] <SketchCow> GREETINGS FROM JORDAN MECHNER'S HOUSE
[21:31] <chronomex> HELLO
[21:31] <LordNlptp> hi sketchow
[21:31] <dnova> hello sketchcow and jordan
[21:31] <Coderjoe> HI
[21:31] <mistym> !!
[21:31] <Wyatt> Heey, how's was your flight?
[21:32] <ersi> Pfft, fuck this Mac and it's inane bullshit
[21:32] <ersi> Argh
[21:32] <balrog_ph> Wow netsplit almost killed me there!
[21:39] <Coderjoe> just watched the cbs news segment featuring Brewster Kahle and the physical archives. one shot saddend me a bit: the worker scanning a book's barcode and then carelessly tossing it into a nearby gaylord
[21:43] <shaqfu> Coderjoe: Making cases for that many books would be a staggering task
[21:48] <shaqfu> I suppose they could shrinkwrap them, but then it's an issue of time
[21:49] <Coderjoe> or stack them in the gaylord a bit more neatly
[21:49] <shaqfu> That too
[21:49] <shaqfu> Oh, you meant *literally* toss
[21:49] <Coderjoe> yes
[21:50] <shaqfu> Ouch
[21:50] <Coderjoe> http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7405466n
[21:52] <shaqfu> Ooh, they're scanning bound newspapers also?
[21:52] <shaqfu> Sexy
[21:53] <winr4r> good job, you made me look up "gaylord"
[21:53] <Coderjoe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaylord_Container_Corporation
[21:55] <shaqfu> That doesn't look like a Gaylord they're chucking books into
[21:57] <winr4r> i've never seen brewster speak before, but he looks like a dude who actually gives a shit
[21:58] <Coderjoe> at 24 seconds, those look like gaylords to me
[21:59] <shaqfu> They might be; I've never seen huge boxes like that used for book storage
[21:59] <Wyatt> What _is_ a gaylord?  I take it it's a vessel of some sort?
[21:59] <Coderjoe> perhaps they get reboxed before going into deep storage
[21:59] <shaqfu> Coderjoe: In the shipping containers they're in smaller boxes on pallets
[21:59] <Coderjoe> Wyatt: large shipping pallet boxes.
[21:59] <shaqfu> Wait, fuck; we're using two definitions
[21:59] <Coderjoe> shaqfu: yeah, I noticed
[22:00] <Coderjoe> aka a "bulk box"
[22:00] <shaqfu> http://a248.e.akamai.net/origin-cdn.volusion.com/bwhe9.dh7dw/v/vspfiles/photos/B-1001-2T.jpg
[22:00] <shaqfu> That's what I was thinking of
[22:00] <Coderjoe> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulk_box
[22:01] <shaqfu> I associate those as Gaylords since they come from the same company
[22:01] <Coderjoe> the bulk box is also known as a gaylord box because at one time, the largest producer of the box was the Gaylord Container Company from Gaylord, MI
[22:01] <closure> if you want to hear him speak some more, I recommend this talk (1.5 hours) http://longnow.org/seminars/02011/nov/30/universal-access-all-knowledge/
[22:02] <shaqfu> Well, learned something new today: Gaylord makes things other than acid-free paper
[22:04] <Coderjoe> or the first to produce them
[22:17] <Jaybird11> test
[22:17] <Coderjoe> hi Jaybird11
[22:17] <Jaybird11> So I'm watching #popsource now, as if anyone here isn't probably.
[22:17] <bayleef`> win
[22:17] <bayleef`> (define popsource
[22:17] <bayleef`> lol
[22:18] <Coderjoe> what network?
[22:18] <Jaybird11> Twitter hashtag.
[22:18] <Coderjoe> oh
[22:18] <Jaybird11> Too bad I'm blind, I'd probably love to be seeing those pics
[22:19] <Wyatt> Jaybird11: Isn't it #sourcecode?
[22:20] <Jaybird11> It was supposed to be. I searched for #sourcecode and found out he changed it to #popsource
[22:20] <Coderjoe> Wyatt: changed by Jordan Mechner because #sourcecode was too popular for something else
[22:20] <Wyatt> Aaah, I see.
[22:21] <Coderjoe> here's the change announcement tweet: https://twitter.com/jmechner/status/191972868479922178
[22:22] <Coderjoe> wow. some korean tweet just popped up
[22:48] <yipdw> I expect a FUCK YES to show up in here pretty soon
[22:48] <yipdw> or something along those lines
[22:49] <shaqfu> Unless the disks are dead :( :(
[22:52] <yipdw> that's true
[22:52] <yipdw> in that case I guess we'll see a "Bad news, gang" or :( or DAMNIT
[22:52] <mistym> Looks like they're still copying: https://twitter.com/#!/jmechner/status/192020918145515520
[22:53] <yipdw> is there a livestream?
[22:53] <Coderjoe> just the twitter feed, afaik
[22:54] <Coderjoe> a live stream would be awesome
[22:54] <balrog_> things are being worked on :)
[22:54] <BlueMax> am I missing something important?
[22:54] <BlueMax> Knowing me I probably sm
[22:54] <BlueMax> am
[22:54] <Coderjoe> https://twitter.com/#!/search/%23popsource
[22:55] <BlueMax> Ohhhh, the PoS sourcecode
[22:55] <balrog_> if you're watching @jmechner, @textfiles, and @y816 you're covered
[22:55] <BlueMax> right
[22:55] <balrog_> PoP*
[22:55] <BlueMax> lol
[22:55] <BlueMax> go me
[22:56] <Coderjoe> doh. missed others because they didn't have the hashtag :(
[22:58] <yipdw> that is probably one of the coolest disk copy utilities I've seen in a while
[22:58] <BlueMax> the only way it could be better is if you could play Metroid while it copies :P
[22:58] <DFJustin> damn looks like they got they right man for the job https://twitpic.com/9afois
[23:00] <balrog_> oh he is
[23:00] <balrog_> he's got what's probably the largest collection of interesting Apple stuff anywhere
[23:00] <balrog_> tons of proto stuff
[23:01] <DFJustin> (for Jaybird11 - picture is of a room festooned with apple posters, floppy drives, opened Apple II chassis, monitors, etc.)
[23:06] <shaqfu> I was wondering if that was a stock system or something fancy
[23:06] <shaqfu> Looks like the answer is "something very fancy" :)
[23:06] <balrog_> stock system :p
[23:07] <balrog_> with an ethernet card
[23:07] <shaqfu> Ah, gotcha
[23:09] <balrog_> btw
[23:09] <balrog_> today is the 35th anniversary of the Apple II
[23:09] <balrog_> which makes it more significant :)
[23:09] <BlueMax> Yeah, how much of a coincidence is THAT
[23:09] <DFJustin> auspicious
[23:09] <shaqfu> Hah
[23:10] <balrog_> I didn't even think of it.
[23:10] <balrog_> maybe SketchCow did XD
[23:12] <BlueMax> all hail the mighty Cow
[23:17] <DFJustin> ｷﾀ━━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━!!!!!
[23:19] <bayleef`> DFJustin:  So here's a stupid question. I recognize the kana letters, but what're the other things?
[23:19] <Coderjoe> YAY
[23:20] <Coderjoe> https://twitter.com/jmechner/status/192028978549235712/photo/1
[23:21] <dashcloud> victory!
[23:21] <shaqfu> \o/
[23:21] <mistym> Victoly!!
[23:21] <shaqfu> CTRLSUBS.S exists outside the flow of time ;)
[23:22] <shaqfu> Was that the only disk they needed to recover?
[23:23] <Coderjoe> there were several disks, based on the photos SketchCow posted
[23:23] <BlueMax> maybe they were the SFX/GFX dissk
[23:23] <BlueMax> dissk
[23:23] <BlueMax> DISKS
[23:23] <balrog_> and the copy protection disks
[23:24] <Coderjoe> those photos being http://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/sets/72157629727983887/with/6925540534/
[23:25] <winr4r> "POP source code disk: Read and copied with no errors!"
[23:25] <shaqfu> That's what threw me off
[23:26] <DFJustin> bayleef` it's a japanese forum thing, basically it's a happy guy's face with the ー from キターー ("it came!"/"yesss!") going through it
[23:27] <godane> this is why he is called flippy disk sometimes
[23:28] <Jaybird11> It was supposed to be. I searched for #sourcecode and found out he changed it to #popsource
[23:28] <Jaybird11> Um never mind that
[23:28] <SketchCow> I will need some help.
[23:28] <SketchCow> We're going to put kareteka and prince of persia source into github
[23:28] <SketchCow> Tonight
[23:29] <SketchCow> Yes indeedy
[23:29] <winr4r> holy shit!
[23:29] <godane> oh my
[23:29] <Coderjoe> wow
[23:29] <shaqfu> Impressive
[23:30] <Jaybird11> SketchCow, did you choose this date deliberately?
[23:30] <dashcloud> awesome!
[23:30] <bayleef`> DFJustin:  ah. わかりました。 The reader I'm using doesn't recognize kanji, so who knows if the conversion would come out right
[23:32] <SketchCow> This can't go anywhere
[23:32] <SketchCow> That we're doing this.
[23:32] <winr4r> so where's the help needed SketchCow?
[23:32] <SketchCow> We're going to do it and then maybe someone mght freak at ubisoft
[23:32] <SketchCow> SO
[23:33] <shaqfu> Wait, I thought JM owned the rights to the original POP?
[23:33] <SketchCow> Yes
[23:33] <SketchCow> Oh, yes.
[23:34] <SketchCow> But he wants as he puts it the genie out of the bottle and then we're done
[23:34] <BlueMax> So what does the guy need help with
[23:35] <SketchCow> Github, he doesn't use it
[23:35] <SketchCow> How does he make a repo without installing git - can that be done?
[23:36] <BlueMax> He can't just send the code to you and have you handle it? Or would he rather do it himself
[23:38] <BlueMax> I imagine git without using the actual git software is like using Linux without a terminal in general; you just don't do that
[23:39] <chronomex> yes, he needs git
[23:39] <DFJustin> if he's not a *nix guy then install tortoisegit
[23:40] <balrog_> install msysgit and tortoisegit
[23:41] <yipdw> really, he could just put up a ZIP or whatever
[23:42] <yipdw> it'll make its way into a git repo at some point
[23:42] <BlueMax> yipdw has a point; not like he's going to try and mod his own decades-old code straight away
[23:42] <yipdw> well, git is good for distribution and integrity checking
[23:42] <yipdw> but for the purpose of getting it out there a zip + sha256sum is also fine
[23:43] <yipdw> unless he's got revision history on those disks
[23:43] <yipdw> (I don't know)
[23:43] <Coderjoe> and an otherwise-unused github account would keep ubisoft from being able to claim some other person was illegally distributing the code
[23:43] <Coderjoe> "stolen" code
[23:44] <BlueMax> I dunno why Ubisoft would care unless people started to distribute paid versions off this code
[23:44] <shaqfu> Given the unique circumstances, that'd be a hard claim...
[23:44] <yipdw> because Ubisoft is dicks
[23:46] <winr4r> "here it is now on github" is cooler than "here's a zip file"
[23:46] <yipdw> something else about github (and gitorious/other code hosting services for that matter): they'll respond to DMCA requests very quickly, and at least Sony has learned to watch github
[23:46] <yipdw> so if Ubisoft is actually a concern, and if the point is to take the genie out of the bottle
[23:46] <yipdw> I can't really recommend github
[23:47] <cmccormic> not sure if this made it to your IRC channel yet. Art Knowledge News needs rescuing. They're reporting that the new owners of their site will clean their servers of 7+ years of content
[23:47] <winr4r> cmccormic: link?
[23:47] <shaqfu> http://www.artknowledgenews.com/16_04_2012_01_59_52_sadly_this_is_the_very_last_art_knowledge_news_forever.html
[23:48] <cmccormic> yup
[23:48] <yipdw> I guess it's time to wget -r www.artknowledgenews.com
[23:51] <yipdw> oh wait, they have a sitemap
[23:51] <yipdw> excellent