#archiveteam 2012-04-17,Tue

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00:00 🔗 cmccormic btw, archiveteam@archiveteam.org returned "Recipient address rejected: User unknown in local recipient table (state 14)"
00:02 🔗 cmccormic thanks for archiving!
00:06 🔗 SketchCow OK, who's good at github.
00:06 🔗 SketchCow Chit chat with me
00:06 🔗 SketchCow Relax, it'll hit other places on github as well.
00:06 🔗 SketchCow on/besides
00:07 🔗 * bayleef` has an account, and has pushed some stuff to a repo and submitted a pull request, but other than that...
00:09 🔗 yipdw I guess I've githubbed a lot
00:09 🔗 yipdw I'm about to go home, though, so will be offline for a bit
00:10 🔗 yipdw SketchCow: feel free to send messages my way if nobody else is around; it'll be a little while before I can respond, though
00:11 🔗 yipdw hopefully CTA doesn't shut down parts of the train line like they did this morning
00:11 🔗 Coderjoe strong winds... at least you're not trying to fly...
00:12 🔗 yipdw some people say I am, but not quite at that altitude
00:12 🔗 Coderjoe throw yourself at the ground and miss
00:12 🔗 * bayleef` grins
00:13 🔗 Coderjoe i bet it is fun to drive on the mackinac bridge at the moment
00:14 🔗 mistym SketchCow: This the POP source?
00:16 🔗 SketchCow yes
00:28 🔗 mistym Awesome! What is it you need, just setting up a repo/organization?
00:32 🔗 SketchCow Yeah
00:32 🔗 SketchCow Jordan has an account
00:32 🔗 SketchCow Just no experience with github
00:32 🔗 SketchCow So I can lend his account to someone, with the source, and they can add it in.
00:32 🔗 balrog_ I know github. :)
00:32 🔗 balrog_ I can give advice
00:32 🔗 mistym "This is github! I know this!"
00:33 🔗 mistym Glad to help if needed. Seems like the room is full of githubbers!
00:33 🔗 balrog_ https://github.com/balr0g
00:33 🔗 Coderjoe I also know a bit about github. I haven't yet created my own project, though
00:33 🔗 balrog_ I have 28 repos :o
00:34 🔗 Coderjoe i have many repos, but they are forks of other repos
00:34 🔗 balrog_ most of these are forks that I've done stuff with
00:34 🔗 balrog_ some are conversions from svn
00:34 🔗 Coderjoe or part of an organization collection that I have access to
00:34 🔗 SketchCow I don't need advice.
00:35 🔗 SketchCow We're going to give people a pile of files in an archive and make it a repo.
00:35 🔗 balrog_ I'd go ahead and do it.
00:35 🔗 balrog_ I'm just afraid of screwing up :p
00:35 🔗 mistym Sure, I can do that. Right now or waiting on it?
00:35 🔗 balrog_ ofc I'd want to consult with Tony on the best way of laying out the files.
00:38 🔗 Coderjoe wow. creating a repo on github looks pretty darned easy, after all.
00:38 🔗 mistym Yeah, p. dang easy. They make it nice'n comfy.
00:38 🔗 balrog_ making a repo is easy
00:38 🔗 balrog_ laying out files in a way that makes sense for Apple ][, may or may not be
00:39 🔗 Coderjoe I just had never looked at the process on github, so I had no idea how easy or hard it was
01:10 🔗 mistym SketchCow: If it's easier for you, shoot the details to mistydemeo@gmail.com
01:30 🔗 yipdw awesome
01:30 🔗 yipdw my state tax refund: $1
01:31 🔗 Coderjoe and they spend a bunch of money to mail you a check?
01:31 🔗 yipdw nah, I just told them to do direct deposit
01:31 🔗 yipdw er wtf
01:31 🔗 yipdw $20 e-file fee
01:31 🔗 yipdw blah
01:31 🔗 Coderjoe yeah
01:33 🔗 yipdw haha what
01:33 🔗 yipdw TurboTax added Facebook and Twitter buttons
01:33 🔗 yipdw I hate this planet
01:34 🔗 Coderjoe they did that at least a year ago
01:34 🔗 shaqfu So you can spam your friends with your tax returns?
01:34 🔗 yipdw there's also a "Backup to MobileMe" button
01:34 🔗 yipdw A FAT LOT OF GOOD THAT DOES, DOESN'T IT
01:34 🔗 yipdw actually fuck I wonder if that means we might have some tax returns in the memac grab
01:34 🔗 shaqfu yipdw: You mean, the "Backup to Archive Team" button? :)
01:35 🔗 yipdw shaqfu: yes, at this point :P
01:36 🔗 shaqfu I should put all my at-risk data on a dying site and let you guys preserve it :P
01:39 🔗 yipdw hmm, google returns zero results for filetype:*.tax2011
01:39 🔗 yipdw either everyone is smart enough to not make that public, or they're filtering it out
01:40 🔗 DFJustin that's not the syntax https://encrypted.google.com/search?q=filetype%3Atax2011
01:41 🔗 DFJustin hits seem unrelated though
01:41 🔗 Coderjoe mistym: looks like I did have some record of some of my lossless testing stuff from awhile back. I forget what the test clip was, though: http://wegetsignal.org/tmp/lossless_sizes.png
01:41 🔗 Coderjoe though one of the items in the list is almost certainly not lossless
01:42 🔗 yipdw DFJustin: oh oops
01:44 🔗 Coderjoe hmm
01:45 🔗 Coderjoe I had a screenshot somewhere of turbotax offering to post something to facebook from a previous year, but now I can't find it
01:49 🔗 mistym Coderjoe: Nice, thanks!
01:50 🔗 Coderjoe iirc, those are all video-only encodes
01:51 🔗 Coderjoe i think the xvid cq1 was there simply to compare against a lossy format in its least-lossy state
01:51 🔗 Coderjoe the x264 ones were using lossless mode
01:54 🔗 Coderjoe the downside to the ffv1 is that my (rather old) desktop was not fast enough to play it. ffv2 looks promising, but I didn't rebuild ffdshow with ffv2 support in order to try it out
01:55 🔗 mistym ffv1 is REALLY cpu-intensive on decode, yeah.
01:56 🔗 Coderjoe ffv2 decodes rather quickly, iirc
01:56 🔗 Coderjoe but still isn't included in the latest versions, last I saw
02:15 🔗 mistym Yeah, I don't think it's in by default. Probably not for awhile, though the ProRes encoder went from being optional to in by default pretty darn fast.
02:24 🔗 godane i got 176-267 of dl.tv episodes now
02:30 🔗 dashcloud nolan bushnell is on the wasteland 2 wrap up stream: http://www.twitch.tv/inxile_entertainment
03:02 🔗 SketchCow Still up for it, mistym ? Or is it too late?
03:04 🔗 mistym SketchCow: Yep, still up for it!
03:17 🔗 mistym SketchCow: How much we doing, just the one disk for now?
03:57 🔗 SketchCow Just the one disk.
03:58 🔗 SketchCow But still waiting on the fellow.
03:58 🔗 SketchCow http://i.imgur.com/8Ic9X.png
03:58 🔗 mistym That screenshot fills me with glee.
03:59 🔗 shaqfu Has that source been recovered?
03:59 🔗 SketchCow Yes, it just needs some work and we'll have a .zip of textfiles to import into git
04:01 🔗 shaqfu Hoorah
04:01 🔗 Coderjoe haw
04:02 🔗 Coderjoe "Beware of computer programmers that carry screwdrivers."
04:02 🔗 Coderjoe yeah. they might spill it
04:20 🔗 mistym "ProDOS" is a magically 80s name.
04:20 🔗 mistym (https://twitter.com/#!/textfiles/status/192105057204965378)
04:22 🔗 godane would this full under public domain?
04:24 🔗 SketchCow shhhh
04:24 🔗 SketchCow We're releasing it and have a side of mashed shut up
04:26 🔗 godane i got the first 6 + pilot episode of crankygeeks on archive.org
04:26 🔗 godane still downloading dl.tv
04:27 🔗 godane its the new computer chronies
04:27 🔗 godane it needs to be saved
04:28 🔗 godane luckly it looks like all videos are on on mevio.com
04:31 🔗 SketchCow He's in the zone and finishing this last backup
04:31 🔗 SketchCow Then he'll get me the .zip for you.
04:42 🔗 Coderjoe but I ordered the baked shut up...
04:52 🔗 SketchCow Lost my githubber. Who else here is notably familiar with github?
04:52 🔗 balrog_ me
04:54 🔗 SketchCow Great.
05:13 🔗 Coderjoe argh
06:58 🔗 SketchCow Anyone else?
06:58 🔗 SketchCow I shot through two.
06:58 🔗 SketchCow Now I need a third
07:18 🔗 Coderjoe SketchCow: sill looking?
07:20 🔗 SketchCow No, I have someone on it
07:20 🔗 SketchCow balrog_:
07:21 🔗 SketchCow But he's dealing with a linespace issue
07:21 🔗 SketchCow https://github.com/jmechner/Prince-of-Persia-Apple-II
07:21 🔗 SketchCow Feel free to work with him.
07:21 🔗 Coderjoe cool
07:22 🔗 Coderjoe hmm
07:23 🔗 Coderjoe i see in another channel that he crashed for the night
08:44 🔗 yipdw SketchCow: ooh awesome
08:44 🔗 * yipdw clones
10:26 🔗 oli bit disappointed in the softlayer box
10:26 🔗 oli cant get over 10MB/s uploading w/ sessaw
10:26 🔗 oli multiple threads
10:26 🔗 * oli cries
10:28 🔗 oli so many blue threads
10:28 🔗 oli on tracker
10:28 🔗 oli for me
10:28 🔗 alard The upload speed doesn't only depend on your softlayer box, of course. The batcave proxy can only do 50MB/s in total.
10:28 🔗 oli wasted :/
10:28 🔗 oli http://memac-tamer.heroku.com/
10:28 🔗 oli how can i get stuff going faster? if it only takes 50mbits then im already taking 30 of that in total
10:29 🔗 oli cause im still having that issue with curl hanging
10:29 🔗 alard Well, 50 megabytes, not megabits.
10:29 🔗 oli yes my bad
10:29 🔗 oli but i have 3 sertver4you systems going
10:29 🔗 oli and the softlayer one
10:30 🔗 oli so ... probably taking up at least half of that myself
10:30 🔗 oli judging by nload
10:36 🔗 SmileyG 112 percent full << lol?
10:36 🔗 SmileyG Is that the mobile me stuff?
10:36 🔗 SmileyG That page is much nicer :O
10:37 🔗 oli it is?
10:37 🔗 oli makes n osense at all
10:39 🔗 oli i have a funny feeling all my seesaw-s3-repeat 's have been wasted and not uploaded anything at all, can you check alard ? :/
10:40 🔗 alard Are you running normal seesaw besides seesaw-s3?
10:40 🔗 oli no
10:40 🔗 oli not in the same directory
10:40 🔗 oli please tell me that since i started running seesaw-s3-repeat i have actually uploaded SOMETHING
10:40 🔗 alard No, but somewhere else at all?
10:41 🔗 oli yes elsewhere
10:41 🔗 oli on systems with less disk space
10:41 🔗 alard Since if you don't do anything but seesaw-s3, you can just check the tracker.
10:41 🔗 alard You've uploaded 8TB so far.
10:41 🔗 oli which tracker? there are two :/
10:41 🔗 alard http://memac.heroku.com/
10:41 🔗 oli does that count both seesaw and the repeat one?
10:41 🔗 alard Yes, that counts everything.
10:42 🔗 oli ok, that's a relief
10:42 🔗 SmileyG :O I did 9gb? nice :D
10:42 🔗 alard The only difference is that the seesaw-s3 updates are batched: when it finishes uploading it sends all usernames to the tracker in one go. So you'll see a number of them appear.
10:42 🔗 SmileyG I'll never have the power you guys did
10:42 🔗 SmileyG but man
10:42 🔗 oli hrrm
10:43 🔗 alard But perhaps we should move this type of discussion to the #memac channel.
10:44 🔗 SmileyG i like it here :D I can watch ;D
10:45 🔗 alard SmileyG: Why don't you join #memac then?
10:45 🔗 SmileyG more channels ¬_¬
12:37 🔗 mistym github++
12:38 🔗 SmileyG o_O?
12:38 🔗 BlueMax WUT
12:39 🔗 BlueMax n-n-n-n-n-netsplit
12:45 🔗 SmileyG - Running wget --mirror (at least 4662 files)... ERROR (3).
12:45 🔗 SmileyG Error downloading from web.me.com.
12:46 🔗 SmileyG :O
12:46 🔗 SmileyG What happened?
13:58 🔗 balrog_ Coderjoe: the linespace issue was fixed
14:12 🔗 mistym I enjoy waking up to find myself in a world where the Prince of Persia source code is on Github.
14:13 🔗 balrog_ morning, mistym :)
14:14 🔗 blt Will Google Drive be going on the deathwatch list immediately upon release?
14:14 🔗 mistym Morning balrog_!
14:17 🔗 winr4r hi folks
14:18 🔗 Wyatt Wait, is Google Drive a storage thing or the self-driving car? For some reason I thought it was the latter....
14:18 🔗 mistym Wyatt: They picked a REALLY bad time naming their cloud service "Google Drive" immediately after a major self-driving car announcement
14:18 🔗 mistym Now what are their cars called, "Google Car"? Sounds like a toy.
14:19 🔗 Wyatt Google Autobot.
14:19 🔗 Wyatt Forces Apple or MS to go with Decepticons.
14:21 🔗 mistym Definitely MS, Apple wouldn't be *overtly* evil.
14:21 🔗 mistym Apple is more like the Portal turret. Sleek, adorable, and also deadly.
14:23 🔗 winr4r mistym: are you sure about that?
14:23 🔗 Wyatt So Apple would go with Maximals?
14:23 🔗 winr4r apple are every bit as litigious, awful and fuck-the-customer-just-because-they-can as any other big business
14:24 🔗 winr4r i honestly don't get the techie hard-on for them, they're a business and if they could make more money out of you by turning you into fertiliser they'd do just that
14:24 🔗 mistym winr4r: Yes, but they like to cultivate the image of being hip, ergonomic, etc.
14:24 🔗 winr4r just like google and microsoft would
14:24 🔗 mistym MS would LIKE that image but they can't market their way out of a paper bag.
14:25 🔗 Wyatt But they've cornered the market on paper-bag interiors.
14:25 🔗 winr4r mistym: in apple's case it'd be like "it's COOL to be fertiliser" and everyone would line up before the shredders
14:26 🔗 winr4r they're no worse than anyone else, of course, but they're also no less overt
14:31 🔗 DFJustin http://www.thestarphoenix.com/entertainment/books/Oxford+University+Vatican+libraries+digitize+ancient+texts/6458772/story.html
14:33 🔗 winr4r DFJustin: splendid!
14:55 🔗 SmileyG google isn't hip and cool?
14:55 🔗 SmileyG they have god damn fire poles in their HQ!
14:56 🔗 SmileyG Apples attitude of we are right and everyone else is wrong, stinks of MS, 10 years ago.
14:58 🔗 Coderjoe balrog_ph: i see that. any idea about what license it is under?
14:59 🔗 balrog_ph Jordan will decide that part
15:00 🔗 Coderjoe "The libraries said the digitized collections will centre on three subject areas: Greek manuscripts, 15th-century printed books and Hebrew manuscripts and early printed books."
15:00 🔗 Coderjoe argh. why the limitations? upload them all!
15:01 🔗 Coderjoe balrog_ph: right. but I was hoping he would have passed on info about license before making the big announcement (which he did last night)
15:02 🔗 balrog_ph You know how late it was?
15:02 🔗 balrog_ph I posted the code at 3:40am
15:02 🔗 balrog_ph :/
15:04 🔗 Coderjoe balrog_ph: http://twitter.com/jmechner/status/192153085362184193
15:04 🔗 Schbirid wasnt there a photo of IAs recent hdd purchase? cant find it
15:04 🔗 dnova yeah there was
15:04 🔗 dnova don't know if I saw it here or twitter
15:05 🔗 balrog_ph Coderjoe: They told me "we'll fix that later"
15:06 🔗 Coderjoe [Wed Apr 11 11:49:14 2012 EDT] DFJustin #archiveteam http://home.us.archive.org/~edward/unloading_truck/
15:06 🔗 Schbirid cheers
15:06 🔗 dnova they're selling all the empty cases now
15:06 🔗 Schbirid yeah :D
15:07 🔗 Coderjoe argh. that is one thing i would have liked to have seen completed before everyone started cloning it
15:07 🔗 Coderjoe as annoying as licensing and copyright is
15:08 🔗 mistym Coderjoe: Github's TOS does state that you grant an implicit license to fork & modify if there is no stated license.
15:09 🔗 mistym "[...] by setting your pages to be viewed publicly, you agree to allow others to view your Content. By setting your repositories to be viewed publicly, you agree to allow others to view and fork your repositories."
15:21 🔗 Coderjoe do they have a legal definition of what "fork" entails? the law generally isn't friendly about implicit definitions, afaik. does "fork" just mean clone, or does it mean use the github fork feature? does it grant "forkers" the rights to distribute copies? what about people that fork the forks?
15:22 🔗 mistym Haven't read the TOS in detail, so not sure if they specify.
15:38 🔗 balrog_ph Coderjoe: The currently posted source is incomplete anyway
15:38 🔗 balrog_ph You can't build it
15:39 🔗 mistym Always impressed what can end up happening when someone ends up with ancient source though.
15:39 🔗 mistym Like when someone posted the Mr Nutz 2 Genesis source code. Game was never released, source is from an unfinished version of the game. Couple years later someone recreates the Amiga build environment and releases a ROM assembled from the source.
15:43 🔗 balrog_ph More will be posted soon
15:44 🔗 balrog_ph This was late at night, remember
15:44 🔗 mistym Very late at night. Wish I could have stayed up until it dropped, even if I wasn't in a position to do anything with it!
15:52 🔗 LordNlptp waiting for SketchCow to wake up, i sorted most of the stuff he asked me to sort
15:54 🔗 LordNlptp 6 left to sort
15:57 🔗 Coderjoe mm
15:58 🔗 Coderjoe mindless self indulgence made interesting use of some old footage. i think it was reefer madness
15:58 🔗 Coderjoe in the video for "Shut Me Up"
15:58 🔗 Coderjoe (which was recently uploaded as part of the stage6 content)
16:03 🔗 BlueMax Recently posted on a Joystiq article related to PoP: The copying took place at a "megacopy" party, assisted by digital archivist Jason Scott using various modified computer hardware. We're glad people like Mechner exist who can do things like "write Prince of Persia," and we're glad people like Scott exist who can figure out how to preserve this material for computers that aren't 35 years old. We're here to ... appreciat
16:03 🔗 BlueMax e the effort? We're totally doing our part!
16:27 🔗 LordNlptp SketchCow: all disks sorted
16:27 🔗 balrog_ btw if anyone is interested https://twitter.com/#!/tqft9999/googlevoracle
16:28 🔗 Wyatt Hahaha, I love that everyone's remarking on that guy wearing a suit.
16:29 🔗 nitro2k01 What's this lawsuit about again? Java on Android?
16:29 🔗 nitro2k01 Yes
16:29 🔗 balrog_ more or less
16:29 🔗 Wyatt Do Google and Oracle even know what this is about anymore?
16:30 🔗 mistym This could all have been avoided if only Unladen Swallow had turned out better :(
16:30 🔗 nitro2k01 Had to scroll down a page to find a tweet about the actual suit (not the one one guy is wearing)
16:30 🔗 balrog_ well since most of Oracle's patents got invalidated, Oracle is playing the "APIs can be copyrighted" card real hard
16:30 🔗 balrog_ which is BAD
16:30 🔗 LordNlptp if that's true that royally f***s up software development forever
16:31 🔗 LordNlptp since its eternal vendor lock-in
16:31 🔗 nitro2k01 BYe bye, Wine
16:31 🔗 LordNlptp yep
16:31 🔗 balrog_ there will most definitely be appeals
16:38 🔗 Wyatt "Goog atty admits Android has 9 lines of code from Java, but says its out of Android's 15 million lines. Calls it inconsequential, a mistake." Seems like a weird thing to leave in your codebase.
16:38 🔗 balrog_ Wyatt: they took code from Apache Harmony
16:39 🔗 Coderjoe this is a civil suit, correct?
16:39 🔗 balrog_ yes, but it's precedent-setting
16:39 🔗 Wyatt Inasmuch as Oracle is capable of civility,
16:40 🔗 Coderjoe i'm asking because the comment about a jury. afaik, juries are only criminal cases
16:40 🔗 balrog_ umm no
16:40 🔗 Wyatt I think you're thinking of Small Claims.
16:40 🔗 Coderjoe granted, I haven't ever set foot in a courtroom
16:41 🔗 balrog_ I have, for Jury Duty, but I was excused :|
16:41 🔗 Coderjoe and the majority of the stuff you might see on tv is criminal cases
16:42 🔗 Coderjoe (ignoring the stuff like judge judy, superior court, etc)
16:44 🔗 Wyatt I had a nightmare that I was summoned for jury duty last night...
17:29 🔗 Jaybird11 So I had a thought I voiced on Twitter. Wonder if the original #PoPsource files on that disk have timestamps? I think it'd be cool to migrate those to the modern vrsions.
17:30 🔗 Jaybird11 Of course it'd have to be done every time someone modifies something in the repo, but the more historical info about when files were modified that can be preserved, the better.
17:32 🔗 winr4r that is a splendid idea
17:32 🔗 beardicus just starting in on the mobileme slurp with seesaw.sh... sorry i'm late to the game. .8Mb upload to the rescue!
17:33 🔗 beardicus anything i should know about that hasn't made it to the wiki? everything looks really slick and well documented. nice job folks.
17:37 🔗 winr4r if it's not documented there it's probably because they don't know about it yet
17:37 🔗 winr4r :)
17:38 🔗 Wyatt What in the world, so thats Prince of Persia and now three demoscene groups releasing source this week.
17:38 🔗 winr4r Wyatt: i heard about the .kkrieger release
17:39 🔗 winr4r if that's one of the other three
17:39 🔗 Wyatt winr4r: More than just kkreiger. Farbrausch released ten years worth of code, inclusing Werkkzeug3
17:39 🔗 Wyatt And then Demopaja.
17:40 🔗 Wyatt And now Conspiracy has released...what, everything? It's a 7MB zip, so...
17:40 🔗 winr4r Wyatt: excellent
17:55 🔗 Coderjoe woah
17:56 🔗 Coderjoe i had not heard about the farbeausch releases
17:56 🔗 Coderjoe does that also include .the .product?
17:56 🔗 Coderjoe and candytron?
17:56 🔗 balrog_ https://github.com/farbrausch/fr_public
17:56 🔗 oli Coderjoe: like woah? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fC8EAQ8xhM
18:00 🔗 Coderjoe nothing older than candytron, it appears
18:01 🔗 Wyatt For now. I'm pretty sure ryg mentioned on his blog that Chaos is going to release more stuff now that .theprodukkt gmbh is fully dissolved.
18:01 🔗 Wyatt It's just a matter of relicensing things or removing things.
18:02 🔗 Coderjoe though candytron was very impressive. voice synth and all that in 64k.
18:03 🔗 Wyatt Coderjoe: http://fgiesen.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/if-in-doubt-go-to-the-source/ and the accompanying posts in that series.
18:03 🔗 Wyatt "Metaprogramming for madmen" is probably my fav so far.
18:06 🔗 Coderjoe something that I found interesting about .the .product was seeing new things added as I got newer, more capable hardware/drivers
18:09 🔗 Wyatt Oh?
18:13 🔗 Coderjoe indeed
18:13 🔗 SketchCow Guess who's back!
18:13 🔗 SketchCow We're adding a README/license to the github for prince of persia.
18:13 🔗 Coderjoe in the mothereffin house?
18:14 🔗 mistym SketchCow++
18:14 🔗 mistym Awesome!
18:14 🔗 SketchCow It will not satisfy most nerds
18:14 🔗 mistym Nothing satisfies nerds.
18:14 🔗 * mistym included
18:15 🔗 Coderjoe Wyatt: the first time I saw it, I was using a TNT or TNT2. I later got a GF2 (iirc) and noticed a few new things in the demo
18:15 🔗 Coderjoe NERD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
18:15 🔗 Coderjoe erm. sorry.
18:16 🔗 Wyatt Has there ever been a licence that satisfies most nerds?
18:16 🔗 SketchCow No, there never has bee,
18:16 🔗 SketchCow Ever
18:16 🔗 yipdw Wyatt: WTFPL
18:17 🔗 Wyatt yipdw: "But it doesn't enforce your Freedom!"
18:17 🔗 yipdw though honestly I like to see GPL used more these days just because it just pisses people off
18:17 🔗 yipdw for no good reason
18:17 🔗 chronomex TOO PERMISSIVE
18:18 🔗 yipdw one of my big goals in life is to make usage of GPLv3 akin to admitting you're a neo-Nazi
18:18 🔗 yipdw and then slap it on a hugely popular software project
18:18 🔗 yipdw and watch the Open Source community disintegrate
18:18 🔗 balrog_ yipdw: eh not gonna happen
18:19 🔗 yipdw which part
18:19 🔗 balrog_ a lot of projects I'm involved with use GPLv3
18:19 🔗 balrog_ and are happy with it
18:19 🔗 yipdw oh, I'm not trying to go for everyone, I'm just trying to get sufficient leverage s.t. I can follow up the wreckage with a commit that adds trollface.jpg to the repo
18:20 🔗 winr4r hi all
18:20 🔗 winr4r Wyatt: i read "metaprogramming for madmen", that was awesome
18:21 🔗 Wyatt "...can shrink 32-bit x86 code by 300-400 bytes a day, tops."
18:22 🔗 SketchCow I think it's more Jordan doesn't want to speak for things he cant promise.
18:22 🔗 mistym SketchCow: Which is 100% reasonable.
18:22 🔗 SketchCow So his readme is purely a "enjoy, don't ask me"
18:22 🔗 SketchCow Like I said on twitter, the ratio of idiots to grateful fans has been very favorable.
18:23 🔗 SketchCow People who want to recompile the source are the people who want to take antique cars out for a spin.
18:23 🔗 SketchCow Maybe, sure, but it's not an insult if that's not currently possible.
18:23 🔗 shaqfu The chance of there being abuse of it is so minimal...
18:23 🔗 SketchCow We were up to 2am converting the files so they could go in (hence no data files yet)
18:23 🔗 Wyatt People will figure it out, I'm sure.
18:24 🔗 shaqfu I can't see many opportunities to exploit 25 year old code for machines rarely seen outside of museums
18:24 🔗 SketchCow Untrue, in this case
18:24 🔗 SketchCow Two reasons.
18:24 🔗 SketchCow #1 Roland G. did some AMAZING code for broderbund, techniques that may still have use
18:24 🔗 SketchCow #2. The code itself uses techniques that may have programming use as well
18:24 🔗 SketchCow All of broderbund's disk protection code is in there too.
18:25 🔗 mistym Definitely! I can only imagine the learning opportunities.
18:25 🔗 shaqfu Are those techniques protected under patent law?
18:25 🔗 mistym shaqfu: Expired.
18:25 🔗 mistym It's been 22 years.
18:25 🔗 shaqfu Gotcha
18:26 🔗 shaqfu Seems like an awesome educational piece, then
18:26 🔗 winr4r mistym: not sure that's so
18:26 🔗 winr4r oh never mind, read what you said as "expired by 22 years"
18:26 🔗 mistym shaqfu: I can see other applications too. cf. the guy who took the Mr Nutz 2 Genesis source code, set up an Amiga build environment, and successfully built a ROM. Could lead to some interesting game mods, for example.
18:26 🔗 sethish The original microprose sim city code is excellent to read
18:26 🔗 winr4r you're right
18:26 🔗 shaqfu I'm all for examples of badasses 25 years ago doing badass things
18:27 🔗 sethish A little hard to read, but the guy who did the original unix port went back, commented and ported to modern linux
18:28 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: so what, exactly, is the rights situation with the code?
18:29 🔗 * winr4r isn't in the "idiot" category, i hope, because i'm very happy the source is out there
18:32 🔗 Jaybird11 I'm blind so this game means nothing to me, but SketchCow, will the original disk images be made available? Do the files have timestamps?
18:32 🔗 sethish Is anyone aware of publicly available datasets of telegrams? I don't even know if records of telegram contents or locations were kept, but I hope so.
18:32 🔗 sethish I figured if anyone would know, it would be SketchCow
18:32 🔗 sethish Or, anyone I was likely to talk to in the next few weeks
18:33 🔗 shaqfu Telegrams? That's a...curious request
18:33 🔗 shaqfu As private correspondence, I don't think there's a master data set
18:33 🔗 shaqfu sethish: If you'd like I can ask around; mind if I ask what it's for?
18:37 🔗 shaqfu Oh, hold up; I might have something
18:37 🔗 sethish Short term goal; I am curating (cleaning up and republishing) historical datatsets that are important
18:39 🔗 sethish So I am copying out things like the data used to figure out where cholera came from in the 1850's in london
18:39 🔗 shaqfu Oh, neat
18:39 🔗 shaqfu What data was that? Historical obits?
18:39 🔗 sethish medium term goal is to provide some simple visualizations to show the historically important conclusion
18:40 🔗 sethish John Snow went around and figured out where people lived who were sick and put it on a map
18:40 🔗 sethish and noticed they were more strongly correlated to where people got their water from than from locations that were 'dirty' or 'smelled bad' which were the running theories at the time of what caused cholera
18:41 🔗 SketchCow I don't know of publically available datasets of telegrams, no.
18:41 🔗 SketchCow OK, need github help.
18:41 🔗 shaqfu And your long-term goal is continued preservation/access of interesting data sets?
18:41 🔗 SketchCow What's the easiest way to add a readme
18:41 🔗 Wyatt SketchCow: I think you just upload the readme to the root of the repo.
18:41 🔗 sethish SketchCow: can't create files on github, you'll have to pull it down and add it.
18:41 🔗 sethish Do you have direct write access?
18:41 🔗 Wyatt THat is, push it.
18:41 🔗 SketchCow I am on as Jordan, so yes.
18:42 🔗 SketchCow Can I do this from the webpage?
18:42 🔗 sethish No
18:42 🔗 sethish but I can offer you a pull request to create the file
18:42 🔗 sethish then you can edit it from the web
18:42 🔗 SketchCow Make it so there's a LICENSE and a README
18:44 🔗 sethish sent the readme, I made it a README.mkd if that is ok, it's markdown
18:44 🔗 sethish adding a LICENSE now
18:45 🔗 SketchCow I want to be able to have functioning links, is that possible, in the readme
18:45 🔗 sethish sent and sent
18:45 🔗 sethish that will require markdown
18:45 🔗 bayleef` SketchCow: if you make it something like md or html, yeah
18:45 🔗 sethish the syntax is [linktext](url)
18:46 🔗 sethish https://github.com/jmechner/Prince-of-Persia-Apple-II/pulls << click merge on those
18:48 🔗 balrog_ SketchCow: want me to add it?
18:50 🔗 * mistym loves markdown
18:54 🔗 SketchCow Hooray, lost my entire edit
18:54 🔗 SketchCow I don't know github well.
18:54 🔗 SketchCow Redoing.
18:56 🔗 Jaybird11 I don't know beans about Github. But if it's a standard edit box or text area. Writing your text in something like Notepad, then pasting it in is the way to go!
18:56 🔗 SketchCow Thanks
18:56 🔗 SketchCow "I don't kmow much about camping, but don't punch coyotes"
18:56 🔗 Jaybird11 I think I learned that lesson after losing a few things like feedback form messages and whatnot
18:57 🔗 Jaybird11 Um. yeah. not a good idea
18:58 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: haha
19:00 🔗 SketchCow I edited the file, and it doesn't show me as having done so.
19:00 🔗 SketchCow What am I missing in magic github spells.
19:01 🔗 Jaybird11 Wow, Github sounds like the name of an Infocom spell
19:01 🔗 mistym SketchCow: Did you type in a commit message and hit the "Commit Changes" btuton?
19:01 🔗 SketchCow I thought I did
19:02 🔗 winr4r it sounds like a beast from an h.p. lovecraft novel if you pronounce the "th" the right way
19:02 🔗 SketchCow I suspect it's sitting with sethish or something
19:02 🔗 * winr4r wishes he could help, has only used bitbucket for VC :\
19:03 🔗 SketchCow Man, I don't want to type that AGAIN
19:03 🔗 sethish hrrm?
19:03 🔗 SketchCow I don't know, I likely edited it and saved it and it's in your inbox or something.
19:03 🔗 SketchCow I might have edited yours
19:03 🔗 SketchCow Remember, I don't use github, and jordan's only using it on my suggestion
19:03 🔗 SketchCow So it's 100% new to me on this end
19:03 🔗 SketchCow I am not a coder!
19:03 🔗 * bayleef` has never used the web interface to edit things
19:03 🔗 SketchCow Also, I hate people!
19:03 🔗 SketchCow So this is actually the worst possible thing
19:03 🔗 sethish SketchCow: not I, sorry. I think that you lost it on the web
19:03 🔗 SketchCow Where I am forced to code with other people
19:04 🔗 sethish lemme look at the commit log
19:04 🔗 sethish one sec
19:04 🔗 mistym sethish: Commit log doesn't show anything, yeah.
19:04 🔗 mistym It does look like the commit is supposed to go in instantly; I tested in a throwaway branch on one of my repos.
19:04 🔗 SketchCow Well, that is bullshit.
19:05 🔗 sethish Yeah. where did you type it in, might your browser still have it?
19:05 🔗 SketchCow No, it's lost.
19:05 🔗 mistym SketchCow: Erg.
19:05 🔗 SketchCow I'm doing the notepad "fuck the web" option.
19:05 🔗 SketchCow ALready hate github a little bit
19:05 🔗 mistym Yeah. Just do it that way, sethish/I can submit a pull request for you to pull 'em in.
19:05 🔗 mistym Github is lovely but the learning curve is not gentle.
19:06 🔗 winr4r git generally has a hard learning curve if you're used to centralised VC
19:06 🔗 Wyatt I'm surprised it's not easy/smooth to simply add a file on github from the web interface. That seems like a natural thing.
19:07 🔗 winr4r (which is why i use bitbucket, you can at least pretend mercurial is CVS with different commands)
19:07 🔗 sethish Wyatt: they're leaving open integration with ace editor and cloud9ide
19:07 🔗 bayleef` Iww, you're using notepad? Fuck that, go use ed
19:07 🔗 mistym ed is the standard text editor
19:08 🔗 * bayleef` grins
19:08 🔗 sethish vi is required by IEEE posix standards
19:08 🔗 Wyatt winr4r: I don't really see how mercurial is that different from git in terms of accepting any workflow you want.
19:08 🔗 bayleef` WTF really?
19:09 🔗 Jaybird11 My favorite Linux editor is Nano. On Windows, it's an editor written by a blind guy, EdSharp.
19:09 🔗 SketchCow Ha ha
19:09 🔗 SketchCow Tell me not to use notpad and to use something else and you'll be kickbanned.
19:09 🔗 SketchCow I'm going to try this again.
19:09 🔗 * bayleef` giggles
19:09 🔗 Wyatt Unless I'm mistaken, vi is traditionally the visual mode for ex, which is extended ed. Is that wrong?
19:09 🔗 SketchCow On the readme.mkd
19:09 🔗 SketchCow I am doing "edit this file".
19:10 🔗 SketchCow I comment why I am doing this
19:10 🔗 SketchCow And I do "commit changes".
19:10 🔗 mistym And it works!!
19:11 🔗 sethish Wyatt: that is correct
19:12 🔗 winr4r Wyatt: you might even be right, maybe it's just that the git tutorials i've read have been like "here's all about distributed version control" and the mercurial ones i've read have been like "here's how you use mercurial for version control"
19:14 🔗 Wyatt winr4r: That's...I can't really argue with. People who write git tutorials probably tend to also think vimtutor is inadequate because it doesn't teach you all about macros.
19:15 🔗 sethish all text editors are awful
19:16 🔗 winr4r "cp" = version control for real men
19:16 🔗 SketchCow Done
19:16 🔗 SketchCow I am SURE the license nerds will be sad
19:16 🔗 SketchCow I LOVED LOVED LOVED the guy who impled we were putting programmers at risk by putting the code up with no license.
19:16 🔗 SketchCow AT. RISK.
19:16 🔗 Wyatt And they will never get over it. </wrists>
19:16 🔗 mistym OH NO
19:20 🔗 Wyatt Yeah, seems completely reasonable.
19:21 🔗 kjdemco_ note to all programmers: hide yo kids, hide yo wife
19:21 🔗 bayleef` And hide ya husband
19:22 🔗 winr4r cause they suin erreybody out there
19:22 🔗 kjdemco_ and your princes
19:22 🔗 kjdemco_ if they are from persia
19:22 🔗 Wyatt No, those go straight to jail.
19:22 🔗 winr4r you don't have to 'git pull' THEY LOOKIN FOR YOU
19:25 🔗 sethish a little but of massaging would probably make ubisoft happier. but I highly doubt this will be a problem
19:25 🔗 sethish *bit
19:27 🔗 kjdemco_ if Iran was not, well, Iran, they would have "Persia" copyrighted
19:27 🔗 winr4r kjdemco_: misunderstanding copyright law
19:28 🔗 kjdemco_ its a joke
19:29 🔗 winr4r anyway, i think ubisoft have some intelligent (i.e. not fuck-headed) people who are willing to see their works used when it means they're not losing money through it
19:29 🔗 sethish winr4r: why would you assume that?
19:30 🔗 winr4r sethish: assume what?
19:30 🔗 sethish look at bethesda and the minecraft guy
19:30 🔗 kjdemco_ it didnt matters anyway, once its out, its out
19:30 🔗 sethish trademark law incentivises companies to attack anything that doesn't meet the letter of the law
19:31 🔗 winr4r sethish: you're confusing copyrights and trademarks
19:31 🔗 sethish I didn't say anything about copyright
19:31 🔗 sethish ubisoft would be concerned with the trademark that they own, Prince of Persia
19:31 🔗 sethish a very profitable brand
19:31 🔗 winr4r sethish: sorry, i'm confused, you said "why would you assume that?"
19:31 🔗 SketchCow OK, so.
19:32 🔗 winr4r and i said "assume what"
19:32 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: hi!
19:32 🔗 SketchCow Is someone willing to be admin on this repo?
19:32 🔗 sethish assume "people who are willing to see their works used when it means they're not losing money through it"
19:32 🔗 sethish I will
19:32 🔗 SketchCow Let's make two people admins.
19:32 🔗 sethish but add my sethwoodworth account rather than the sethbuzz
19:33 🔗 SketchCow You would basically close out the issues
19:33 🔗 SketchCow This is like getting a bunny for easter. Are you willing to commit the time to close down and quiet the endless yammering of 10,000 bastard nerds?
19:33 🔗 mistym I can admin too if you want.
19:33 🔗 SketchCow I'm thinking sethish and mistym
19:33 🔗 SketchCow What's your account, misty
19:33 🔗 sethish Heh. that sounds like something I do anyway
19:33 🔗 mistym mistydemeo
19:33 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: i would, except i know *nothing* about assembly language or programming old computers so someone could literally post a patch to write dongs on screen and i'd not know that from a useful patch
19:34 🔗 mistym I already do that tons for another popular repo I'm on, no harm in adding a second :V
19:34 🔗 sethish I'm not sure there needs to be patches to this. This is about hosting the original sourcecode
19:34 🔗 SketchCow How do I add you two.
19:34 🔗 sethish admin this repo is in the top right
19:35 🔗 winr4r sethish: and i did not assume that, btw, because a long time ago while i was an admin at the wikimedia commons, ubisoft signed a release that said that any screenshots could be licensed under a do-anything-you-like-with-it license
19:35 🔗 sethish and add collaborators
19:35 🔗 mistym Then Collaborators, and just type in the github name.
19:35 🔗 winr4r sethish: so obviously they have, or at least had, sane people at the helm
19:36 🔗 SketchCow Sethish, if you have ANY concerns about this, I don't think you should be an admin.
19:36 🔗 sethish I have no concerns
19:36 🔗 SketchCow Yes you do
19:36 🔗 sethish about accepting patches?
19:36 🔗 mistym SketchCow: Just to verify - this is basically just closing issues. No/minimal responses, no pulling code, etc.
19:37 🔗 SketchCow About tradmark stuff
19:37 🔗 sethish Oh
19:37 🔗 sethish I was just saying that companies are not sane, but I said "I highly doubt this will be a problem"
19:38 🔗 sethish and if it were, I would be willing to weather difficulties
19:38 🔗 SketchCow OK, you're added.
19:38 🔗 SketchCow So yeah, this is bascially so that a human being looks at this
19:38 🔗 SketchCow Because jordan and I will NOT be looking at it
19:38 🔗 SketchCow If you see people bringing up something legit like "where is X"
19:39 🔗 SketchCow I can see if I can track down X.
19:39 🔗 mistym Right.
19:39 🔗 SketchCow But right now, only Tony has some of the data, that will be added in the futue.
19:40 🔗 SketchCow https://github.com/jmechner/Prince-of-Persia-Apple-II/issues/3#issuecomment-5183761
19:40 🔗 SketchCow SO DELICIOUSLY NERDY
19:40 🔗 SketchCow So there you go, he commented and left it open.
19:40 🔗 SketchCow But the issue is closed.
19:40 🔗 mistym So very closed.
19:40 🔗 SketchCow If he re-opens, the defualt answer is "jordan has said all he will say"
19:40 🔗 SketchCow And close again
19:41 🔗 winr4r wow
19:41 🔗 SketchCow Because yeah, Jordan is off working on a ton of other things.
19:41 🔗 winr4r that reminds me of me like 4 years ago
19:41 🔗 sethish HA it's paultag
19:41 🔗 SketchCow P.S. Yesterday, I played the new Karateka.
19:41 🔗 SketchCow If you liked the old Karateka, you will love the new Karateka.
19:41 🔗 SketchCow That's all I'm saying!
19:41 🔗 shaqfu There's a new Karateka?
19:41 🔗 shaqfu Well, will be, I suppose
19:42 🔗 SketchCow There will be, soon or not so soon, a new kareteka.
19:42 🔗 Wyatt New Karateka exists! :D
19:42 🔗 SketchCow Go somewhere to leak this to sites and I will murder you and anyone who said they loved you
19:42 🔗 SketchCow There's comments out there, news out there, mentioning it
19:42 🔗 shaqfu I think I saw him mentioning a revival
19:42 🔗 SketchCow Yes
19:43 🔗 SketchCow Anyway, I just wanted to say... it is awesome
19:43 🔗 SketchCow And multi-platform, have no fear
19:43 🔗 SketchCow And hooray
19:43 🔗 winr4r :)
19:43 🔗 SketchCow But he will have no marketing, so let's wait until it exists.
19:43 🔗 shaqfu I'm piqued, but I won't ask
19:43 🔗 SketchCow And then get him some sales.
19:43 🔗 shaqfu He's doing it w/o Ubi?
19:44 🔗 Wyatt Holy smokes, why is this such a good year for games?
19:44 🔗 SketchCow It's me
19:45 🔗 SketchCow Also, apparently a group in germany used a sample of me from a speech in a new EP
19:45 🔗 SketchCow They asked for permission, and I said yes, and the mp3 showed up in my mail today, a preview
19:45 🔗 nitro2k01 SUE THEM!
19:45 🔗 nitro2k01 Oh
19:45 🔗 nitro2k01 SUE THEM ANYWAY
19:45 🔗 winr4r awesome
19:46 🔗 SketchCow It's a sample of me going "I hit a coyote."
19:46 🔗 winr4r totally unrelated, but does anyone know any model engineers or people who are used to dealing with very small screws?
19:46 🔗 winr4r i've tried everywhere else, so this is as good a place to ask as anywhere
19:47 🔗 mistym SketchCow: I totally want to hear this EP.
19:47 🔗 Wyatt The mental image of Jason boxing a coyote in the snout with the rest of the pack in a ring about them is kind of special.
19:47 🔗 sethish SketchCow: if it is not too much trouble, could I get you to add my personal account rather than my work account 'sethwoodworth' rather than 'sethbuzz'
19:47 🔗 SketchCow http://album.textfiles.com/index.cgi?d=2006.01.24.INDUSTRY&id=IMG_5734.JPG
19:47 🔗 winr4r Wyatt: it's not even that hard to imagine
19:48 🔗 SketchCow Why did you ask me a question and lack the information
19:48 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: !
19:48 🔗 SketchCow I added sethwoodworth
19:48 🔗 SketchCow Was that wrong?
19:48 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: i have a lathe here, but it can't make 1.34mm-diameter screws :/
19:49 🔗 winr4r (or anything that requires more precision than 0.025mm :<)
19:49 🔗 sethish my bad, I was looking at the contributors, not the people added IGNORE ME
19:50 🔗 SketchCow ISSUE CLOSED
19:57 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: are those folks whose lathe that is worth me contacting if i can't find a source for my screw?
19:57 🔗 SketchCow I doubt it BUT
19:57 🔗 SketchCow Museum of Industry, Waltham, MA
19:58 🔗 SketchCow http://www.crmi.org/
19:59 🔗 winr4r okay, so they make screws for *really* old shit, i'm guessing
19:59 🔗 SketchCow http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/558574_10150925105439918_575139917_12944027_59715044_n.jpg
19:59 🔗 SketchCow Yes, but more likely, they might know someone to contact
19:59 🔗 winr4r haha, that picture
20:00 🔗 winr4r my camera is from 1978, so i can't imagine the screws are *that* weird
20:00 🔗 SmileyG 3d printer?
20:01 🔗 winr4r SmileyG: i wish
20:02 🔗 winr4r i've measured them with a vernier at 1.34mm, the closest metric sizes are either 1.2 or 1.4mm, and even 12BA screws (unlikely for an east german camera) are 1.3mm
20:02 🔗 * sethish plans a weekend trip to waltham
20:05 🔗 winr4r sethish: that's what i thought, haha
20:05 🔗 winr4r i LOVE that stuff
20:06 🔗 shaqfu Is that a working museum?
20:10 🔗 SketchCow OKAY OFFICIALLY OFF TOPIC
20:10 🔗 winr4r haha sorry SketchCow
20:10 🔗 winr4r (but do ask around if you know anyone)
20:11 🔗 mistym Whoa, what? Google just returned a result to a Geocities page and the link works.
20:12 🔗 shaqfu A few still live on
20:12 🔗 SmileyG o_O
20:12 🔗 winr4r mistym: wat!
20:12 🔗 winr4r mistym: a .jp?
20:12 🔗 mistym Not .jp - I know that's still active.
20:12 🔗 mistym http://www.geocities.com/spunk1111/nature.htm
20:14 🔗 SketchCow Some still live if they're connected to for-pay accounts
20:14 🔗 mistym Huh. I had no idea.
20:14 🔗 winr4r mistym: excellent
20:14 🔗 SketchCow http://fos.textfiles.com/jasonsample.mp3
20:14 🔗 SketchCow That goes NOWHERE
20:14 🔗 SketchCow It's for people who were wondering
20:15 🔗 winr4r SketchCow: excellent
20:17 🔗 SketchCow So, as much as I give a shit about little political things, does Paul Tagliamonte do a lot of this demandy stuff on github?
20:17 🔗 SketchCow He is bowing and scraping all fine, but Jordan is literally done with that aspect of the project
20:17 🔗 balrog_ where?
20:18 🔗 balrog_ oh, I see
20:19 🔗 winr4r okay, really quick question for my photography friends: how do i set infinity focus in the dark if my lens doesn't have a hard infinity focus stop
20:19 🔗 winr4r ISS pass in about 17 minutes
20:22 🔗 dnova focus as far away as it goes.
20:22 🔗 winr4r dnova: it'll focus past infinity, that's what i meant by no hard infinity focus stop
20:25 🔗 SketchCow Again, derail in archiveteam
20:25 🔗 winr4r sorry SketchCow
20:25 🔗 sethish SketchCow: not on github afaik, but elsewhere. He and I were involved in rewriting the Scratch license so it could be included into debian.
20:25 🔗 SketchCow feel free to make #archiveteam-jason-is-mean
20:25 🔗 SmileyG lol
20:25 🔗 SmileyG my cat says hi
20:26 🔗 SmileyG he thinks sockington might be his long lost cousin.
20:26 🔗 nitro2k01 INTERNET!
20:28 🔗 nitro2k01 The Inter-net is pretty cool, except that so many people are wrong on it.
20:28 🔗 shaqfu On-topic, does anyone know what "data electronics" can be classified under?
20:28 🔗 shaqfu Typing up this manual for them, and it's mostly schematics/jargon that are well beyond me
20:44 🔗 SketchCow Github question
20:44 🔗 SketchCow Is it possible to see what changes have been made to all the forks?
20:46 🔗 Wyatt Easily? I don't think so. But you should be able to go to any fork and see what they've pushed to github
20:46 🔗 Wyatt I could well be wrong on this; I mostly use github for hosting repositories and the occasional bug report
20:47 🔗 mistym Yup, there's the fork network: https://github.com/jmechner/Prince-of-Persia-Apple-II/network
20:47 🔗 SketchCow THanks, mistym
20:47 🔗 SketchCow I like your answer more than Wyatt's.
20:47 🔗 Wyatt Oh, neat!
20:48 🔗 Wyatt Me too
20:48 🔗 mistym Which is charmingly useless on uber-popular projects like Homebrew, but for something with a sub-ten thousand number of forks it's really useful.
20:49 🔗 Wyatt Hah, someone already removed the copy protection.
20:49 🔗 SketchCow for each in `netstat -an | grep 208.86.224.90 | cut -c45- | cut -f1-4 -d"." | sort -u` ; do BOB=`netstat -an | grep $each | wc -l` ; echo "$each ($BOB)" ; done
20:49 🔗 SketchCow SOMEONE'S GONNA GET RAPAAAPAPAPAPA
20:51 🔗 SketchCow for each in `netstat -an | grep 208.86.224.90 | cut -c45- | cut -f1-4 -d"." | sort -u` ; do BOB=`netstat -an | grep $each | wc -l` ; if [ "$BOB" -gt 10 ]; then echo "$each ($BOB)" ; fi; done
20:51 🔗 SketchCow Makes it for just the piggies.
20:51 🔗 SketchCow Have you seen the little piggies, sucking up my net / and for all the little piggies soon their snouts get wet / when I take a pipe / to banninate them
20:52 🔗 Wyatt Someone chewing on your server again? :(
20:52 🔗 SketchCow 121.8.210.19 ( 13)
20:52 🔗 SketchCow 190.139.209.130 ( 17)
20:52 🔗 SketchCow 31.130.159.196 ( 35)
20:52 🔗 SketchCow 38.110.6.187 ( 12)
20:52 🔗 SketchCow 74.73.109.158 ( 12)
20:52 🔗 SketchCow 80.3.168.83 ( 12)
20:52 🔗 winr4r back
20:52 🔗 SketchCow You might say that
20:53 🔗 winr4r i fear your command-line fu
20:53 🔗 shaqfu Funny; don't see myself in there
20:53 🔗 winr4r saw the ISS, got a little straight line in the far top right of my frame
20:54 🔗 SketchCow 69.60.115.186 ( 45)
20:54 🔗 shaqfu Oh, only more than ten connections
20:54 🔗 SketchCow # piggies
20:54 🔗 SketchCow 121.8.210.19 ( 13)
20:54 🔗 SketchCow 155.212.12.151 ( 12)
20:54 🔗 SketchCow 190.139.209.130 ( 17)
20:54 🔗 SketchCow 74.129.160.216 ( 12)
20:55 🔗 SketchCow In the future I'll be able to find the little piggies faster.
20:57 🔗 balrog_ph Wow Twitter is committing, in writing, to not use any of its patents offensively
20:57 🔗 SketchCow 104 forks of prince of persia, 1,002 watchers
20:58 🔗 balrog_ph I know
21:00 🔗 sethish SketchCow: and only one person has made a commit in any of those forks, to RM the copy protection
21:02 🔗 SketchCow Well, it's tough to commit when there's no working data.
21:03 🔗 balrog_ph But you can't just rm the copy protection like that.
21:03 🔗 balrog_ph The data simply won't fit on two disks without elements of the copy protection
21:03 🔗 SketchCow Sure you can
21:03 🔗 balrog_ph (the weird 18-sector format)
21:03 🔗 SketchCow The code will continue to work as well as it currently does
21:05 🔗 sethish I should go find the sound dumps somewhere, I need a new txt message noise.
21:07 🔗 SketchCow http://t.co/wHAbr7ik
21:16 🔗 Coderjoe http://i.imgur.com/pLvgE.jpg
21:21 🔗 balrog_ph We made Slashdot.
21:21 🔗 mistym Nice!
21:23 🔗 SketchCow haha
21:25 🔗 Wyatt Semi-unrelated, is Slashdot healthy from a "continued existence" standpoint? I can't imageine it disappearing, but I never imagined Geocities would either.
21:26 🔗 mistym Wyatt: Their owner doesn't seem to have any interest in shutting them down, though it is in somewhat of a transition after CmdrTaco left.
21:27 🔗 balrog_ph Isn't it owned by the same people who own SF?
21:28 🔗 mistym Yeah. Also owns Thinkgeek, and Freecode (formerly Freshmeat).
21:30 🔗 Wyatt SF? Oh, Sourceforge.
21:41 🔗 philpem Sourceforge? Oh yeah, the 1990s version of Github :)
21:41 🔗 * philpem wonders if his SF account is still active...
21:42 🔗 Coderjoe very late 90s
21:54 🔗 Semi-Noma can I ask for a little help with something?
21:55 🔗 dnova maybe
21:57 🔗 Semi-Noma there's this forum on the internet which is going to undergo a purge of several threads by Monday. I was thinking about backing it up myself but, at this time, I have no disk space or time for that
21:57 🔗 shaqfu How large are the threads?
21:59 🔗 Wyatt And what kind of forum is it?
22:01 🔗 Semi-Noma it's a phpBB forum. At this point it's got about 150000 posts across 1700 threads. Not sure how big it is, but the administrators mentioned that until recently, before the latest purge, the database itself was 800 MB.
22:02 🔗 shaqfu What's the link?
22:03 🔗 dnova jesus christ, 800 whole megabytes
22:03 🔗 Wyatt Ooh, I'd like to know more about this myself. I had some success using httrack on a phpBB at one point, but I'm not confident in my dump.
22:03 🔗 dnova what a burden
22:03 🔗 Semi-Noma http://www.fahrenheit.net.pl/forum/
22:03 🔗 shaqfu (and for the wget warriors: any easy way to scrape down offsite images automatically?)
22:03 🔗 DFJustin --page-requisites?
22:04 🔗 dnova have you tried asking the admins for a database dump, Semi-Noma?
22:04 🔗 shaqfu Does that pick up bbcode?
22:04 🔗 Wyatt shaqfu: I'm pretty sure bbcode gets converted to html after posting...
22:04 🔗 DFJustin bbcode is internal to the forum software, if you're seeing an image in the browser it's serving html
22:05 🔗 shaqfu Derp, right
22:06 🔗 shaqfu Semi-Noma: I'm guessing it's the big threads getting purged?
22:07 🔗 dnova I currently own a forum that dates back to 1999 or so, but the previous owners had a hobby of mass deleting old threads every couple of years
22:08 🔗 dnova very sad that all that history, from the golden age of the particular forum, is all gone forever
22:08 🔗 shaqfu Golden age of forums, in general
22:08 🔗 dnova I'd pay for better hosting before I deleted anything
22:08 🔗 Semi-Noma @shaqfu: Actually it's not as bad as I made it out to be (sorry), basically it's scheduled to touch only one sub-forum for now. Still, apparently such purges happened several times in the past and are going to happen again, so the rest of the forum is worth securing as well.
22:11 🔗 Semi-Noma Anyway, I've just asked the admin via PM if there's a possibility to hand over a copy of the forum database. Gotta wait for the answer now though.
22:12 🔗 shaqfu I'm surprised he purges it at 800MB
22:12 🔗 Semi-Noma Supposedly it was becoming too slow.
22:14 🔗 Wyatt Ermm, even phpBB shouldn't get slow at only 150k posts.
22:30 🔗 Coderjoe if it is slow, your database server is probably too slow and/or isn't caching data well. (or your database doesn't have proper indexes)
22:30 🔗 Coderjoe or even with good indexes, your database server makes poor choices for a query plan
22:31 🔗 Wyatt phpBB and MySQL version may also play a part, no?
22:31 🔗 Coderjoe yeah
22:32 🔗 Coderjoe or the web server isn't powerful enough for the amount of work it is doing (especially in shared hosting environments)
22:33 🔗 bbot_ SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Scott Thompson, the new CEO of Yahoo Inc. YHOO +2.73% , said Tuesday afternoon that the Internet pioneer will shutter several properties and initiatives in order to focus on its "core" business areas that include news, finance, sports, entertainment and e-mail.
22:33 🔗 bbot_ In a conference call to discuss the company's first quarter results and outlook, Thompson said the company will be shutting down or "transitioning" about 50 different properties, as well as "stopping development of a number of initiatives, including platforms for outside publishers and theoretical science, that were outside of our core."
22:34 🔗 Coderjoe why am I not surprised
22:34 🔗 Coderjoe flickr?
22:35 🔗 Wyatt Oh boy, here we go again.
22:51 🔗 kennethre http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2012/04/nasa-tournament-lab-holds-a-contest-for-software-ideas.ars
22:51 🔗 kennethre solution: shove it all on archive.org :P
23:12 🔗 Semi-Noma okay, I just began downloading only the threads from the subforum which is going to be purged. This can be downloaded in minutes. I have no idea why I didn't simply do that earlier instead of panicking and coming here. Derp.
23:12 🔗 shaqfu Web pages tend to be small
23:13 🔗 shaqfu I was wondering why you panicked; unless you're on a severe bandwidth cap/throttle, 800MB doesn't take long
23:15 🔗 Semi-Noma Well, I tried downloading it and somehow, it occupied almost 2 GB on my hard drive after about ten hours of downloading. I'm guessing I screwed something up.
23:15 🔗 Semi-Noma In any case, after ten hours it was still not done.
23:19 🔗 shaqfu Hm, weird
23:19 🔗 shaqfu What command did you use?
23:20 🔗 Semi-Noma wget -r -l inf -o log.txt -np --include-directories=/forum -P fahrenheit --tries=0 --convert-links http://fahrenheit.net.pl/forum/
23:24 🔗 Wyatt Did you exclude the reply and user profile pages? I think that bit me at one point.
23:24 🔗 Semi-Noma That might have been a problem, yeah.
23:24 🔗 Semi-Noma I've archived some webpages before, but I don't think I ever tried wget'ing an entire big phpBB forum.
23:25 🔗 Semi-Noma Oh well, a lesson for the future.
23:38 🔗 closure I've seen forums where there are an approximatly infinite number of urls under it, just variants on parameters.. makes wget run forever but a smart traverse work

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