[00:08] mistym: thanks! :D [00:08] it's both bad and good :/ [00:23] underscor: Well sorry to hear about the bad :/ [00:35] How's fos doing? [01:21] mistym: well, just being 18, lots more to worry about! [01:25] dude, you're old now [01:28] D [01:28] D: [02:27] :D [02:52] [15:08:02] RACC00N: would having a wireless access point facing upside down, [02:52] [15:08:25] RACC00N: or will the signal transmit from the tips of the antenna [02:52] be the antenna's base or even the circuit board? [02:52] so antenna are pointing down, cause any problems with the signal? will signal [02:52] want to naturally transmit from the highest point of the antenna, which would [02:52] pointing down [03:00] underscor: Most APs have simple dipole antennae. They propagate a torus axially aligned with the antenna itself. [03:01] It should be fine on the ceiling. [03:02] yeah, I know that [03:02] I just found it humourous, I dunno [03:02] Aaah, I see. [03:15] http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/ferndale/105/mlp.htm [03:15] * winr4r is watching links go by in the terminal. [04:08] Wyatt|Wor: first pass completed! [04:09] [you@vps ssb]$ ls images/*.png | wc -l [04:09] 3167 [04:09] winr4r: Didn't you get a much longer list at some point? [04:09] Wyatt|Wor: of neighbourhoods, not sites, and i wasn't in the mood to brute-force a list of sites from that [04:10] * winr4r is now going to run another pass, it missed about 250 that time. [04:32] Good afternoon. [04:32] OK, so I'm going to let it go a little further, and then tomorrow morning we'll turn RSYNC back on again. [04:36] hi jason! [04:37] So if Archiveteam were a ham-eating machine, I guess this means we overflowed our ham-stomach... [04:40] (just curious) [04:40] SketchCow: did you manage to get in touch with Mark Pump? [04:42] WHo [04:42] IS THIS ARCHIVE TEAM BUSINESS [04:42] 6502 documentary page [04:42] I'm asking because that's the guy who wrote Locksmith [04:43] IS NOT ARCHIVETEAM BUSINESS [04:43] DESTROY [04:43] DESTROY [04:44] I just think we have a new record over that french kid [07:56] hm, fos is slacking and not uploading anything right now [07:58] it's most likely full [08:00] Yeah, SketchCow stopped rsync because it had five terabytes of mobileme to tarball up and we were shoving about a gig a minute in. [08:02] I said uploading. [08:03] Maybe it's tarring stuff. [08:03] 10:53:03 (@SketchCow) I see some of these 50gb hero sets are taking 2-3 hours to turn into .tar files. [08:04] yep [08:45] o_O [08:46] I don't know why I'm supprised. [08:52] i can't even imagien me trying to tar up 50gbs :S [14:09] Morning. [14:10] OK, so, let me turn rsync back on. [14:10] Let's see how far we get before another fill. [14:13] Server filling up fast? [14:13] And, morning SketchCow [14:18] I have ops now? [14:18] I feel the power corrupting me already. [14:19] Keep balrog in line. [14:19] Also, I got a mail from someone complaining about Wyatt's mail to Parodius. [14:20] bridge scene, etc. [14:20] Oh? [14:25] Oh, it was likely aggro. [14:25] Well, aggro and wyatt, you two can work this one out. [14:35] No, wait. [14:35] Read futher. [14:35] Further. [14:36] Hold off on Parodius - I'm going to mail him, he'll post it. [14:36] My attitude is don't scrape them right now. [14:44] * SmileyG wibbles [14:47] I have to go to a movie this morning, so I can't really write the message to koitsu I should. [14:47] Rsync is back up, by the way. [14:53] Can I upload the stuff that failed? Theres 10gb sitting in my data folder... dunno if it matters :S [14:56] Yes, sure. [15:01] heh, erm.... how? Is there a upload script in here somewhere (goes searching through the dir) [15:01] oh. Duuuur - upload_finished.sh? :D [15:38] SmileyG: indeed, upload_finished.sh [15:39] COol, its going :) [15:39] I wonder if its worth you guys having a boinc system... [15:39] you could have a distrobuted uploader/archiver... [15:39] hell, users could do the tar on their side. [15:56] SmileyG: as i recall they did, for google video [15:58] Is there a way to get wget warc not to try certain urls when archiving a site? [15:58] I got into kind of a pseudo-infinite loop in an earlier experiment. [16:02] mistym: --exclude-directories ? [16:02] winr4r: That would be the logical answer :V Thanks. [16:03] Now, if I have a partial scrape of a site whose contents haven't changed, can I update that? Or do I have to start all over again? [16:04] They have a dynamic calendar that happily lets you check dates thousands of years in the future, and presumably going back to the 70s. So wget was following links into the future forever. [16:04] limited depth? [16:04] --no-clobber [16:05] mistym: ah [16:50] mistym: unfortunately, you have to start over [16:50] Coderjoe: Daaaaang [16:51] Oh well, thanks :( [16:51] because you can't resume the warc [16:52] yipdw and I were discussing the problem of these infinite recursions a bit last night. we'll probably still wind up having to play whack-a-mole with them, but might have a possible way to handle them. [16:53] unfortunately, we're both kinda busy this weekend [16:53] OK, fair enough. [16:54] This site is probably going bye-bye before next week so I'll capture minus the calendar for now. I already have what I'm p. sure is most of the site and the actual content of the sensible versions of the calendar from my previous attempt, just want to make sure. I don't *really* need to know anyone's plans for 2999. [17:00] what the hell happpen here: http://archive.org/details/this_week_in_fun [17:01] The item you have requested has a problem with one or more of the metadata files that describe it, which prevents us from displaying this page. [17:03] googlebot and the like must have some sensible way of handling recursions [17:05] this one works: http://archive.org/details/roz_rows_the_pacific [17:06] but this week in fun and abby's road don't [17:06] can anyone tell me how to fix this problem? [17:07] an admin will have to fix it [17:08] its this error i think: http://ia601207.us.archive.org/33/items/this_week_in_fun/this_week_in_fun_files.xml [17:15] i think the title in mp3 meta tag is screwed up [17:15] thats why it can't display anything [17:16] i fixed it in roz_rows_the_pacific [17:16] but not the others [17:17] it looks like its only the first 2 mp3s [17:24] good afternoon [17:41] i found a magazine called k-power [17:41] do you guys have that? [17:41] godane: yup [17:41] godane: i typed in the descriptions for them on archive.org :) [17:42] http://archive.org/details/k-power-magazine [17:42] bonus: http://archive.org/details/k-power-magazine-disk [17:49] godane: actually took quite a while to figure out what was on that disks, emulate them, play them [17:49] but it was fun! [17:55] that disk* [17:56] anyone running ubuntu? [17:56] im trying to upgrade to 12 but the notice syas its a beta? [17:57] Did you get the beta images? :P [17:57] bsmith094: running 10.04, staying there [17:58] i have a year to figure out which linux distribution is not a monstrous clusterfuck (see also: Unity) [17:58] winr4r: gentoo :) [17:58] SmileyG: because i actually have time to sit around waiting for shit to compile [17:58] meh, let's not get into this jerkface discussion [17:58] ersi: yes, that [17:58] fucking haters [17:58] sorry for being a jerkface [17:58] lol [17:58] ersi im on 10.04 and i want to upgrade to the next lts but it says its still a beta, even though im on the main server for repos, so it should have it [17:58] winr4r: what exactly? [17:58] winr4r: .... run binhost. Job don [17:59] winr4r: do you have the time to sit around waiting for ubuntu to be fixed? [17:59] :D [17:59] you'll be waiting awhile :D [17:59] bsmith094: oh, I thought you had pulled down an image and was doing a install that way [17:59] SmileyG: Ricer [17:59] nah upgrade, seperate home partition, it rocks [17:59] ersi: sorry? :D hahah [17:59] screw windows [17:59] SmileyG: i'm not waiting for them to fix ubuntu, thanks to the unity clusterfuck i'm evaluating alternatives [18:00] SmileyG: http://funroll-loops.info/ [18:00] which i have a year to do [18:00] winr4r: meh, i've dealt with gentoo, suse, ubuntu, centos, redhat.... [18:00] Gentoo won for me. Thats all I have to add already :S [18:00] ersi: so ? [18:00] Do you understand what that site is saying? [18:00] bsmith094: Is it the package updater that says it's a beta? [18:00] Do you understand why its redundant? [18:01] sigh [18:01] Am I being trolled? [18:01] You're trolling yourself [18:01] ersi: sudo update-manager d says upgrade but the notice is [18:01] good going sir [18:01] ''Do not install it on production machines.'' [18:01] ''This is still a BETA release.'' [18:02] bsmith094: I'd confirm that your /etc/apt/sources.list is looking like it should, if it's correct - I'd proceed anyway, even if it says beta. It was released today so :) [18:02] ersi: I don't like my distrobution deciding stuff for me, without me having any control - thats why I moved away from windows. [18:02] bsmith094: maybe the new version hasn't been pushed to your mirror? [18:02] ersi: I'd wonder if the mirror he is hitting is up to date? [18:02] im not on a mirror im on the main server [18:02] SmileyG: So why aren't you rolling your own? LFS man! [18:02] ersi: because gentoo gave me no reason to go that far? [18:02] i though of that already [18:02] ersi: nose, spite, face. [18:03] bsmith094: Perhaps all you need to do is to upgrade the update-manager first :) [18:03] SmileyG: But it's deciding things for yoooooouuuuu [18:03] umm how [18:03] ersi: which bit did they decide for me? [18:03] bsmith094: sudo apt-get upgrade update-manager [18:03] * SmileyG giggles [18:03] bsmith094: that'll *only* upgrade that particular package [18:04] your giving me advice on distros, while you are blindly flailing about telling bsmith094 to upgrade because its "safe" to do so. Even though the package its self warns against it? [18:04] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [18:04] Building dependency tree [18:04] Reading package lists... Done [18:04] Reading state information... Done [18:04] sudo apt-get upgrade update-manager [18:04] damn line breaks [18:04] if its new LTS, why are you updating today? :/ [18:05] Alright, I'll go search launchpad a little [18:05] I thought the last lts was until 2014 or something? [18:05] winr4r: :D see what you started? :D [18:05] SmileyG: 2013 for desktop, 2015 for server [18:05] was close guess :D [18:06] SmileyG: yeah, i'm actually sorry for that [18:06] no worries I enjoy the discussion. [18:06] I wish you luck though. Especiually with this /usr crap which has appeared. [18:10] now I'm bored again :( all hyperactive this evening, after feeling like death this morning... [18:11] SmileyG: haha [18:12] Seriously worse night of sleep in a long time and now I'm buzzing. [18:13] SmileyG: you're probably not as awake as you think you are [18:14] SmileyG: its 2pm, jere [18:14] here( [18:14] SmileyG: i know the feeling from skipping sleep all the time, you start out knackered, then there's "pass out at your desk", and if you get through that it's like I CAN DO LITERALLY ANYTHING [18:14] that final phase is usually where my worst code gets written [18:17] winr4r: likely, but i'm more away than I was ealrier. [18:18] winr4r: oh i've got to the point where i start seeing things [18:18] have you seen the film.... oh god what film is it [18:18] where it turns into a video game in his head - leonardo di caprio [18:18] the island? (i have a feeling thats a scifi film, if so, thats not it) [18:18] SmileyG: that film you're imagining right now? [18:18] time to sleep, SmileyG! [18:18] no its real lol [18:18] winr4r: played fallout 3? [18:19] i'm sure it feels very real [18:19] * SmileyG imagines someone whispering "just breath in the blue" [18:19] SmileyG: nah, i don't play many video games [18:19] winr4r: lol oh god what film is it Â¬_Â¬ [18:20] "The beach". [18:20] Anyway, basically he smokes aload of weed, gets so high he thinks hes in a video game [18:20] i only know the song [18:20] well.... [18:20] When I was younger I basically ran a lan gaming center. [18:20] I say basically, I wasn't the boss, but *i* ran it :D [18:20] I did 2 all nighters in a row [18:20] started 9am friday morning (opened at 10am) [18:21] closed 10pm sunday.... [18:21] i crashed out a few times during that period but was awake / gaming / chatting for most of it. [18:21] walking home.... [18:21] and I thought I was playing CS, like real live counter strike [18:21] you crashed out, doesn't count :P [18:21] I was convinced the terrorists were on the roofs watching me [18:21] waitin for that sniper shot to take me down. [18:21] Was the most weird but awesome thing ever :D [18:22] wow man, you don't cope with sleep deprivation very well [18:22] no i don't [18:22] i can sleep anywhere.... [18:22] including standing up in nightclubs while appearing to dance. [18:23] i think they call that "drunk" [18:24] nah i don't drink much (at least when I'm out in a club like that because pfffft screw those prices) [18:24] I'm also bi-polar depressive which makes it worse I think. [18:24] ah, yeah [18:24] don't do that [18:24] don't do what? [18:25] drinking while bipolar [18:25] oh hahah yeah [18:25] i can... sometmies force myself into manic modes. [18:25] its.... weird. [18:25] everything takes on a weird shine, the world is suddenly prettier.... so amazingingly beautiful [18:25] welcome to the lewis and SmileyG show on #archiveteam [18:25] Hi Lewis :) [18:25] * SmileyG is tim [18:26] but when I ran that lan gaming center? Most of the "customers" knew me as smiley. [18:26] Mainly because I'd shoot them first. [18:26] ah [18:26] and then the name woudl stick [18:26] :D [18:27] :) [18:28] okay so [18:29] FORTUNECITY SCREENSHOTS AHOY [18:29] fire away! [18:29] no bewbs I presume? :D [18:29] not as far as i know [18:30] 1.1G images/ [18:30] 3436 [18:30] [you@vps ssb]$ du -sh images/; (ls images/*.png | wc -l) [18:33] :O [18:40] SmileyG: i did the same on geocities before it closed, too [18:40] those recently got onto archive.org [18:41] yeah [18:41] i read the history :D [18:41] hmmm if i could get a unmetered vps... [18:41] i'd do far moar :S [18:41] SmileyG: someone here very kindly lent me his VPS [18:42] Wyatt? [18:42] the fact that i totally smashed my bandwidth cap doing geocities dissuaded me from doing that again from my own connection [18:42] yeah, |I don't get overcharged here, but I'm on 10/1Mb :S [18:42] so.... :/ - and it gets limited after $x usage. [18:42] SmileyG: i have a 25gb cap per month [18:42] sorry, 20 [18:42] SmileyG: i pay Â£2 for each gigabyte over 20 [18:43] herp/ [18:56] winr4r: 2 quid a gig? Geeze. That is pricey. [18:57] mistym: 2 quid per gb *over* 20gb, and i'd rather have that than "unlimited" internet [18:57] "unlimited" meaning in practice "we don't tell you in advance what the limits are" [19:02] it's still pretty rich considering a gig actually costs a few cents http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5952/125/ [19:02] probably it's more for uk vs canada but you're still talking an order of magnitude [19:04] DFJustin: does that report cover the costs of hiring technical support staff, offices, actually making a profit, etc? [19:04] winr4r: ... hmm virgin are prtty clear about what the limts are [19:04] and what to expect if you break them too [19:04] and from my experience, they stick to the _letter_ [19:04] I think one of the cut in points is 5pm [19:04] and at exactly 5pm it goes _sloooow_ [19:04] SmileyG: then they should just have a bandwidth cap [19:05] but then come 11pm orwhen ever it is, it goes FAST again. [19:05] my ISP runs at full speed even at peak times [19:05] winr4r: and do what if you exceed it? [19:05] winr4r: its full speed, UNLESS you've gone over the limt, in the alloted time slot [19:05] winr4r that's why there is a flat portion of your bill as well (I assume) [19:05] SmileyG: well, that's not a lot better than what i have now [19:06] hmmm [19:06] winr4r: you got anyone else using your internets? [19:06] unless you need to hire extra support staff when people download more gigabytes [19:06] SmileyG: i am sure [19:06] winr4r: what do you do if they left bittorrent running? [19:06] http://bugzilla.zimbra.com/show_bug.cgi?id=73440 [19:06] SmileyG: i am sure i do not* [19:06] hmmm [19:07] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/04/03/virgin_media_network_throttling/ << the limits if you care. [19:07] winr4r: ah, I have me and wife [19:07] + random visitors [19:07] DFJustin: my point is, from what i read from that page it's factoring in the cost of building infrastructure, and not of hiring technical support staff [19:07] + 2 pcs, 2 laptops, eeepc, 2 blackberries, iPhone, 2x 360, ps3 and a wii [19:08] winr4r: also, my speed kept getting really bad randomly. I thought I was being limited, via the forums I asked- they confirmed I'd never hit my limits and would be sending an engineer to come take a look, when would I be in? [19:08] what can i safely delete in my root partition to free up a few gigs? [19:08] I asked for a saturday, got one.... :) [19:08] bsmith094: depends on your distro. [19:08] DFJustin: if you imagine that you can build the physical lines, then people will just hook themselves up to it, then there will be no human intervention or support from there on then sure [19:08] ubuntu 10.04 [19:08] bsmith094: noooo idea :S [19:09] a few cents a gigabyte makes sense [19:09] oy ill just do a fresh install then [19:09] yes but we're talking about overage charges [19:09] not your base bill [19:09] bsmith094: possibly stuff in /var/logs [19:09] DFJustin: right, but the reason they can charge so little for most people is because most people do not use that much bandwidth [19:09] possibly stuf in /tmp/ [19:10] hmmm [19:10] Most people _didn't_ [19:10] I think thats changing with iPads and phones... [19:10] DFJustin: and so they need to provide a serious disincentive for using far-more-than-average bandwidth [19:10] winr4r: maybe ISPs should stop false advertising then? [19:11] Unlimited should be just that, in my opinion. [19:11] if you sell me a 10Mb line that can do 10Mb/24/7 [19:11] I expect it to do 10Mb/24/7 [19:11] that, by the way, is why a dedicated T1 line would cost me ten times as much for about a seventh of the speed [19:11] That'd cost a fuck ton though, if it's dedicated speed xD [19:11] obviously they can charge whatever they want and that's fine, I just think it's fair to point out that it is a rip-off from the perspective of someone who does want to use the more-than-average bandwidth [19:11] SmileyG: there is no false advertising, in my case [19:11] calling anything "unlimited" really is false advertising [19:12] DFJustin: there should be a "pay as you use" option. [19:12] then again, those people generaly end up on 3G sticks or whatever. [19:12] yes [19:13] I don't like pure metered billing because what happens when you get a botnet or someone hacks your wifi or your favourite MMO starts seeding patches to all the other players because the company is too cheap for servers etc etc [19:13] DFJustin: Thats my worry too. [19:13] DFJustin: and you refer to WoW I presume? :D [19:13] DFJustin: see also: BitTorrent [19:13] hmmm [19:14] you've not answered :S [19:14] i'd happily pay less money to have bittorrent throttled [19:14] what happens if you get hacked [19:14] especially the average user is is no position to really control their financial exposure in that scenario [19:14] but the "net neutrality" nerds would go NUTS [19:14] winr4r: to do it needs _more_ support staff. [19:14] winr4r: you can self throttle you know? [19:15] * SmileyG runs his own QoS.... [19:15] Needs mor etesting and fixing tho, as always :D [19:15] SmileyG: what i mean is, i'd happily switch to an ISP that openly said they would throttle bittorrent connections if that meant i didn't have to pay for all the people using bittorrent [19:15] they won't do that because of all the "net neutrality" folks that don't know anything about how the internet works and thinks "a packet is a packet" [19:16] erm... [19:16] virgin openly say they throttle BT. [19:16] if you go over the limit [19:16] Well, a packet *is* a packet. [19:17] winr4r: are you paying for a service, or a cable. [19:17] :/ [19:17] ersi: yes, and iron is iron, it doesn't matter if you're making a bench out of it or a hammer [19:17] in any case [19:17] bbiab, food [19:17] .... [19:17] what? :D [19:25] back [19:25] :) [19:25] how about this subject dies before jason gets angry at us :< [19:53] got the first 34 episodes of crankygeeks up [20:11] godane: excellent! [21:13] SketchCow: I thought of you http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jakehimself/flint-and-tinder-premium-mens-underwear [21:31] underscor, do you want to archive a wiki with 100 GB of images? [21:31] ooh, why not [21:31] it will be very fast for you, I can even send you the image titles list [21:32] which wiki! [21:32] citywiki [21:33] ah [21:33] underscor, images list sent; I've already downloaded the pages [21:34] you can do --resume --images --path=$whatever [21:34] How do I use it to resume? [21:34] Ah, okay [21:34] put the API url as well of course [21:34] it should create the directory, read the images list and download [21:36] well, the dir must exist already or you can't place the images list in it :D [21:37] underscor: i'll never understand everyone's fascination with things being made locally [21:38] i mean i understand why it's nice, but it seems like a bit of a bikeshed [21:45] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2118544427/cheat-cheat-bang-bang?ref=discover_rec [21:45] Ugh [21:45] There are so many cool projects on kickstarter [21:47] This one just keeps getting better ;) www.kickstarter.com/projects/120873716/your-world [21:49] mistym: ha [21:49] that one looks... interesting [21:49] Please view his video updates. They are truly magical. [21:50] I appreciated his discussion of in-game prostitution. [21:52] I saw that Al Lowe was able to fund buying back the rights to Leisure Suit Larry [21:52] Chalk one up for the Little Guy [21:55] mistym: hahaha [21:55] this is [21:55] there are no words [21:55] 1/55th of the way to his goal, with 5 days to go! [21:55] I *know* [21:55] I wonder if the two people that pledged $10K+ did so as pranks, knowing they'd never actually get charged it [21:55] I love where he says he isn't expecting to get the million, he just wants to be able to show investors, "look, 500 000 people paid a dollar - I have 500 000 people willing to subscribe" [21:56] e.g. "I didn't really want a million, I wanted half a million" [21:56] hahaha [21:56]