[00:00] Well, I am busy with actually trying to salvage other stuff I need for a book I am writing, and each day that passes is another that puts this info in jeapardy. [00:00] Also, the stuff that I archive might be re-contextualized into something else [00:01] Just throw it out there man, no one's going to expect you to perfect things [00:01] There's always room for improvement, get it out into the world so it's not lost [00:01] ^ [00:01] curate as much as you can/want to now, push it out and someone else might come along and do things you didn't have time to [00:01] It will all make it out there eventually, but I have plans for working with the data and how it is distributed. [00:01] at the very least consider them your raw backups. [00:01] or they may do things that you had no idea would be interesting [00:02] I have it all backed up on triple mirrors. [00:02] you do not own this data, you are only the present custodian [00:02] that are accessible to whom? just you? :) [00:03] I understand archiveteam's philosophy [00:04] At the moment much of my work is on complete hold though [00:04] life... [00:04] very well [00:05] self-preservation and sanity takes precedence [00:05] feed yourself, pay the bills, stay happy, and THEN do volunteer work [00:05] broke my arm (typing with 1 hand), lost love of my life, been in deep depression all year, + tons of other bad stuff [00:06] well, that sucks. [00:06] don't let people on the internet get you down. [00:06] Did you break your arm smacking the love of your life? [00:06] Been THERE [00:07] I know archiveteams motivations, and my data will get out there eventually, just have to be patient with me and the projects I am working on. [00:08] either way man, sorry to hear about your recent events. *highfive for work so far* *INTERNET HIGHFIVE PLACE HAND HERE* [00:08] lol [00:08] I'll notify you guys for certain as soon as anything gets uploaded. Probobly the first that will make its way out is my PS2 Linux Community Archive [00:09] i have yet to compare it with the mirror that popped up on assembler forums [00:09] also uh yeah, a general hello to everyone since i just have been lurking for like 3 days and suddenly sprang to life and none of you probably have any idea who the hell i am [00:09] DrainLbry: precisely [00:09] we seem to have picked up a number of lurkers lately [00:10] We'll have Lurker Snuggle Pile [00:11] jason drew me in with his beautiful good looks and wit way back when with the bbs documentary and textfiles.com, and then archiveteam romanced me with your dastardly evil used for the good of mankind [00:11] SketchCow: some one beat me to archiveing rev3 [00:11] http://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22anarchivism%22 [00:11] is there a digg archive anywhere as well? doesn't seem like that's long for this world either. [00:14] writing seems to be on the wall for that with Washington Post hiring the 15 folks, kevin rose resigning last year [00:15] well, that's a new one [00:16] here's a bell system document with Central Services Organization listed as the creator [00:16] there's a bunch of weird crap from around december 1983 [00:16] * su_ beeps at chronomex [00:17] indeed [00:17] so for something kind of random [00:17] I am the su_perior being here, remember that [00:18] i went to a vintage computer show a few weeks back, and saw Thomas Kurtz (BASIC guy) speak. he handed out these paper reprints of Dartmouth College Computation Center BASIC Instruction Manual, May 1964 First Draft [00:18] can't seem to dig it up anywhere online. anyone want to tell me a good place to dump it in general? just good ole IA? [00:18] IA would be nice [00:18] do you have it scanned? [00:18] I'll unbind it, scan it at work [00:19] they work best with 600dpi TIF, sequentially named, in a zipfile [00:19] I've encountered some weirdness with the deriver and non-600dpi scans [00:19] I'm likely limited to what the stuff at work can pump out given its preconfigged, but I know I can do the DPI. Thanks for settings advice [00:19] sure, just about all image formats work [00:19] can I ask a question about the Tabblo project? [00:22] Come to think of it, that guy (Kurtz) is probably sitting on a goldmine of early info. Maybe I'll try to track him down :) [00:23] I've never heard of Archiveteam before, but I see you are archiving Tabblo. Where does it go? Is the archive online? Sorry for the newb questions. [00:23] http://adamsnames.tc/whois/whois.cgi?domain=gv.gd [00:23] lol. [00:24] * su_ tickles chronomex [00:25] what hi [00:25] i'm gonna go beat up hookers on GTA IV ... brb [00:28] Ok, hit the dude up on email, flattered him, and asked for any old materials he may have too, offering $ for him to mail and I'll sift/digitize [00:29] So since apparently this is my strange new hobby, anyone got a suggestion on where I can score a nice cheap auto-duplexing scanner? Or model recommendations? [00:30] Even if that doesn't pan out, good to have. I've been meaning to look deeper into actually building/buying a book scanner frame/digicam device, but i'm too damn lazy to build stuff so let's just cut to the chase and let me laziness purchase something [00:34] DrainLbry: my solicitation emails usually have 3 sentences, each in their own paragraph [00:34] first: who I am [00:34] second: why their stuff matters [00:34] third: the question [00:34] Well, I'd say I did pretty good for the first time, cause I think I hit all 3 of those [00:34] cool [00:34] DrainLbry: Do you plan on doing this seriously? If not, it might be easier to bother your local library/archive about it [00:35] No reason to drop good money on a scanner for one or two projects [00:35] Isn't that what beeing a geek is about? [00:35] I weigh my level of seriousness by the amount of money I'm willing to throw at it. Generally being knee deep in debt as a result makes one more serious. (See: Buying a house) [00:36] but i do know the local libraries actually don't have an auto-duplexing scanner (I've checked), and the only local archive folks i have any kind of social access to are the county historical society [00:36] Gotcha. You might want to ask mistym about that - she does a lot of work with scanning books/manuscripts [00:37] who well, aren't really with it on this kind of stuff [00:37] No kidding; you need either a university or a big metro library [00:37] Or big museum, but they often don't care about that kind of thing [00:37] I do live in Philly metro area, so I just need to do some networking ... I know we've got nerds of my calibre around [00:37] just need to start meeting them [00:38] DrainLbry: Wait, how far outside the city? [00:38] tons of universities about. i just need to buddy up to some library science people [00:38] i'm over near camden [00:38] Drexel or Rutgers, or ask balrog (Temple student) [00:38] ok, my girlfriend works at rutgers [00:39] as a TA [00:39] Rutgers LIS students would jump at the chance to help, if you end up with a ton of stuff [00:39] see, treasure trove of info already here when i start talking instead of lurking [00:40] I should know; I was one [00:40] I went into the wrong field man :) [00:40] Only discovered the whole LIS concept as a career existed a few years back [00:40] just your joe average sysadmin [00:40] who dreams of being a digital archivist for the kiddies [00:40] DrainLbry: Go into tech services [00:41] Or go back, get your degree, *then* go into tech services [00:41] i've got my associates, and a various smattering of credits i've picked up elsewhere ... need to get my lazy ass in gear to do something. this kind of work is the only stuff that really gets me inspired in any fashion [00:42] Anyway, ask around at universities. Drexel/Rutgers can give labor, and every school worth caring about has someone that could help [00:42] Cool. I'm talking out my ass here at the moment, got nothing to run with, but these are the kinds of people I'd like to start meeting/having fun nerding out with [00:44] If you can get me something more concrete than "I'm thinking about getting docs to scan" I can start bothering people [00:44] yeah i've got nothing concrete, don't want to waste anyones time [00:45] DrainLbry: I came into the conversation late, what're you thinking of scanning? [00:45] more of a general question on best hardware affordable to someone for individual projects. basically, at any point collecting up various ephemera, manuals, books, printouts, etc. [00:46] clearly if anything HUGE ever came across my plate, I'd tap folks for help [00:46] I've been into digging through old crap at thrift stores/hamfests/swap meets for years. never bought anything due to space. now I've got a house with storage out the wazoo, and time on my hands [00:46] Ah, okay. [00:47] so i guess in somewhat related topic, shaqfu if you need anywhere to stash various random stuff, let me know [00:48] My experience is that half-decent autofeed scanners are pricey - alas. You can build something off a diybookscanner.org style design with a couple cameras pretty cheap though. Not fast and a little more labour-intensive, but if you're not scanning tens of thousands of pages in a short span of time it's probably not too bad either. [00:48] Cool, glad to here the advice from a pro. diybookscanner style is what i've looked into in the past. [00:48] I've gotten a quite decent 11" wide sheetfeeder off ebay for less than $200 [00:48] needed rerubbering [00:49] atm I'm metadataifying a shitpile of scanning I've done over the past months [00:49] its yard sale season, and i spot scanners occasionally... im on the look out for one with an auto duplexer or at least an expansion slot to put an auto duplexer on [00:50] Good point on used scanners - most people are pretty well through scanning paper stuff so it's not too hard to find decent stuff being offloaded for not too much. [00:50] can anyone help me understand the Tabblo project? [00:50] ...though the reliability of used sheet feeders is variable. ;) [00:50] hell, new ones work oh so well as you know [00:51] Hah. [00:51] lol [00:52] the one I use has just some rollers, and it's a trooper [00:52] I think I've scanned about 10k pages with it [00:52] though I hear the ones with belts are quite nice [00:52] so i tossed this question out to sketchcow on the twitter (who I know has OH so many idle cycles, guys just not busy at all ...) has anyone ever archived cassette-tape based software? [00:52] Specifically, Sinclair [00:52] I'm wondering if just a simple lossless audio capture of it's "good enough", or if the encoding is something at a physical level that an audio recording won't quite get everything [00:53] seeing as how you loaded/saved via a headphone jack i can't see how lossless wouldn't work [00:53] Good question, I haven't done it myself. It has to have a pretty high tolerance though, given how much degradation tape gets just from using 'em frequently. [00:54] I mean, you used to "pirate" the shit by just copying tapes [00:54] so.. yeah, i can't imagine why just dumping a recording in FLAC wouldn't work [00:57] protip: boiling any food is a lot easier when you don't splash boiling water into your eyes [00:57] fear not, my vision is fine [00:59] Well, if I had a 6V power supply, or 4 C Batteries right now, I'd test out this concept of archiving software from cassette [00:59] alas, it will have to wait until tomorrow when I can hit up the dollar tree for some cheapo C batteries [01:01] http://www.worldofspectrum.org/taper.html [01:01] well, seems someones already done this. [01:01] and there's archives already. [01:04] I'm not surprised! [01:04] What I'm really excited about is that Laseractive stuff is finally getting somewhere. [01:05] "gaming's greatest boondoggle" [01:05] nice. [01:05] wasn't familiar with this particular artifiact [01:06] "The $1,000 system didnât even play games by itself. You had to buy special âcontrol packsâ that slid into the front of the main unit. Pioneer forged agreements with Sega and NEC, meaning that a fully tricked-out LaserActive could play Genesis and TurboGrafx games on cartridge, CD and laserdisc. Each control pack cost $600 â such cutting-edge convergence didnât come cheap. Oh, [01:06] and it was a massive hunk of metal." - wow, I'm so surprised this didn't catch on! [01:06] I should get one and put it next to the 3DO, which I should also buy. Then we can point and laugh at the dreamers [01:07] pah, optical media is a fad, I'm gonna go buy an Amstrad Mega PC to prove it [01:07] a PC *and* a Genesis/Mega Drive in one, who could resist?! [01:08] also, hi [01:09] that expansion pack on the bottom of my NES. Someday, someday. [01:09] port [01:10] DrainLbry: Buying all the addnos costs a FORTUNE though. ;) The Turbografx module regularly goes over $300 just on its own. [01:10] ...I am almost ashamed to admit I own one. System, Genesis and Turbo modules, and six games. [01:10] ashamed? no, you should wear that like a badge of honor [01:11] :D [01:11] How exactly does one dump a LaserActive disk? [01:11] that is an excellent question [01:11] I agree [01:12] but unfortunately I don't know the answer [01:12] you just fire up your LD-ROM unit [01:12] come on man, everyone has one in there computer [01:12] I just put one in my empty 12" expansion slot [01:12] Can't imagine there being many optical drives that take record-size disks, and dunno if the LA has any data-out [01:12] I know there were LD-ROM drives were available for the BBC Micro [01:12] -were [01:13] but they're hard to find, and I don't know if you can rip the discs bit for bit [01:13] plus you'd need a BBC Micro to plug it into [01:13] s'cuse me, I just checked, that's actually an LV-ROM drive [01:14] but they're very similar, I believe, slight variations on the same format [01:14] Oh, hunh; here are dumps of MSX LD games [01:14] http://gendev.spritesmind.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=15003#15003 [01:16] "Also, I had a thought... It might be better to tap the LD video before it even reaches the chip where it gets mixed with PAC video. I'll look at the schematic again, but we can probably wire up a system to tap video way before the composite out jack on the back. Might help with quality etc. I have heard that when LD video (movie or game) is run through a PAC, the video is run in a different [01:16] (lower quality) mode than when playback is done without a PAC (movies only of course) Maybe someone else can chime in on more details concerning this, but if its true, then maybe we can look into modding a system specifically for capturing this video." O_o [01:16] hmm laserdisc? [01:16] nedbat i believe they will be organizing it better, etc [01:16] Famicoman - I thought you'd pop up sooner or later :P [01:16] <3 [01:16] otherwise http://archive.org/search.php?query=tabblo [01:18] S[h]O[r]T: wow, I'm very impressed. [01:19] BBC Laserdisc drive: http://acorn.chriswhy.co.uk/Computers/Domesday.html [01:19] but I'm not sure how it actually interfaces with the BBC itself [01:20] and whether you can rip the data, or whether it just controls the location on the disc to be displayed on a screen [01:20] picked up a Creative Nomad Zen Xtra 30GB Jukebox for $3 today, sans power cord. Kind of tempted to just extract the hard drive and laugh at someones taste in music for entertainment value, nevermind trying to make the thing work [01:21] i'm using xchat on windows 7 [01:21] U R SO COOL [01:21] >:| [01:21] or maybe i'll be wowed with some awesomeness. could go either way [01:23] only one way to find out [01:23] indeed [01:24] "warranty void if broken" [01:24] *rip* [01:24] shaqfu: The guy who's figured it out has written custom code that runs on the Sega module, which he connected up to a PC. Makes it possible to dump the disc's data bit by bit. [01:25] Derp, someone already linked the thread :V Sorry. [01:25] No problem; it's a neat process [01:25] As for the LA having data out... it actually kind of does! But TOSLINK isn't reliable enough to get data off of. [01:26] * DrainLbry ponders how to remove this hard drive without totally destroying the device in the process [01:28] * Moonlit_ hands DrainLbry a spudger [01:28] or, alternatively, some people use a credit card [01:28] check for screws first, obviously [01:29] yeah just had to track down all the screws [01:29] I hate when they hide screws [01:29] dastardly stickers [01:29] yeah, really messes with the look if you're repairing it too [01:29] with big holes in the stickers [01:30] well, if you're lazy like me and just run your finger over the sticker and stab the right place [01:30] and then those evil metal stickers which don't bow inwards when you put pressure over a screw hole [01:31] victory. now to find my usb-ata adapter [01:34] a mystery file system appears. busting out photorec baby. [01:39] seriously creative? you invented your own filesystem for this thing? [01:42] DrainLbry: What is this drive? [01:42] out of a creative labs mp3 player, just looking at it for funsies to see if any good music. seems Creative made this database driven filesystem. there's a linux driver njbfs for it [01:43] but, i'm on windows right now, so having fun trying to find a way to get at it with this os [01:43] i love making tings harder then they should be i guess [01:43] Linux VM? [01:43] good call. [01:45] http://njbfs.sourceforge.net/ - linux kernel from 2002... i somehow am thinking this is not going to work with a modern distro. ideas anyone? [01:46] DrainLbry: Roll a LFS VM using some ancient kernel? [01:46] i think i may get a sector error trying to recall how to do that [01:46] Or grab some old distro - I'm sure you can get old versions of Slackware or w/e up and running [01:49] archive.org might even have some! [01:50] DrainLbry: It's always interesting seeing what you can get working. I remember successfully getting a Linux binary from 1996 running on a modern system once. (It was even pre-ELF, I recall!) [01:51] dug up a python script on github to get these off, seems like this will be the easier route [01:52] I recently got a copy of Worldgroup 2.0 up and running, telnet-accessible in DOSBox. [01:52] from a busted backup. interesting world indeed. [01:53] I think Windows 2.x binaries still work on Windows 7 with minor modification [01:53] which is crazy backwards compatibility [01:53] if i programmed windows 7 i'd put a little congratulatiosn message in when you ran win 2.x binaries [01:53] "Wow, impressive you still have that." [01:53] lol [01:54] when this is all said and done you know i'm going to have a folder full of spice girl albums or something [01:54] more than likely [01:54] i wanna zig-a-zig-ahhhh [01:55] I got a similar player, a Samsung Yepp, of a mate some years ago, I managed to repair it for a while, but eventually it gave out again [01:55] but they were good players [01:55] I like the old blue backlit mono LCDs [01:55] still got the 1.8" HDD from it even [01:58] http://media.bestofmicro.com/O/M/13846/original/yh920a.jpg [01:58] awesome player [01:59] wish it hadn't died, but then if it hadn't died then I wouldn't have got hold of it [01:59] pressing the napster button causes instant gratification [02:00] the one I got hold of wasn't the standard non-Napster one [02:00] er [02:00] *was the [02:00] I fail at typing this week [02:22] DrainLbry: Are you hitting up the TCF? [02:22] Or did that already happen? [02:22] i think it happened already [02:22] :( [02:22] i always miss it, ive never gotten to go [02:22] like five years now i keep trying to make it [02:22] I used to go; I was a student there, hah [02:23] Then they charge for marketplace access.... [02:23] virtualbox totally does not like my usb-ata adapter [02:23] Nothing like a portly Unix beard yelling at you for trying to spend money [02:24] (Maybe I should've directly appealed to RMS, saying they were violating my free rights...) [02:24] Anyway, it's great for old hardware and documentation [02:24] i bet [02:24] Go next year; you'll clean up with docs [02:27] i'm fairly sure my dog hates me for the fact i've now spent nearly an hour trying to extract an unknown mp3 collection off an old hard drive [02:27] "wtf you ass, we could go for a walk" [02:32] be sure to play him some of that music when you recovery it, then he'll know there's a reason :P [02:36] and... after all that the drive apparently has no partition structure, and testdisk just went *shrug* [02:36] lame [02:40] :( [02:40] I'm sunburned and it's awful [02:40] i think i cooked my brain today outside [02:40] * Moonlit_ hands undersco2 the aloe vera [02:40] :D [02:40] I spent 4 hours swimming and didn't reapply my sunblock [02:40] :( [02:40] note to self, buy a hat that's not black for summer [02:40] lol [02:40] science! [02:41] welp. looks like i have myself a 30GB drive and nothing more [02:41] and a disssasembled zen [02:45] attempted rebuild setting disk as ext2, ext3, fat32, nada. man... weird. [02:45] guess theres some physical damage to the disk [02:47] oh wells, new 30GB disk it is for me .. [02:47] that was a fun exercise for the brain [02:48] off to apologize to my dog, and then to sleep. nice talking to some of you like-minded folks, and i'm glad to find an outlet where my geeky endeavors are encouraged. take care all. [02:49] DrainLbry: Make sure you take the dog out tomorrow ;) [02:50] going out now. otherwise i wont hear the end of it [03:00] IA's UI sucks, FYI [03:02] lul. [03:06] when you're logged into the site [03:06] they offer registration [03:06] even tho you're logged in [03:06] *facepalm* [03:07] OH WOW THEY HAVE CAPTCHA [03:07] MODERN [03:07] !!! [03:07] RECAPTCHA [03:07] HTTP uploader [03:07] Just move your mouse over and then press the new SHARE [03:07] Our new [03:07] button in the upper right corner to start uploading! [03:07] works from within your browser! [03:08] Welcome to the Old FTP Item Creation Page! [03:08] oh god, there could be vulnerabilities on this website ... [03:08] ANTISEC PRESENTS ARCHIVE.ORG 5 PB TORRENT [03:09] WARNING: ITS BIG [03:09] Not like you need to break in to get archive.org material [03:16] su_: is there a point to all this bitching, or are you just doing it for its own sake? [03:17] just my two cents [03:17] in a poorly arranged rant [05:14] man, s3funnel rocks [05:19] ec2 is a trick, don't buy into it [05:20] you're no superuser, just a whiny person [05:21] okay .. [05:25] we are not affiliated with IA, other than as a user of their storage space. Complaining about the UI here is entirely pointless. [05:29] shaqfu: thanks for getting the hacker's hymn stuck in my head [05:32] I'm sorry, can you point me to the message where I said you were affiliated with IA [05:36] Coderjoe: ? [05:37] shaqfu: you mentioning unix greybeards complaining at you for wanting to spend money and then mentioning RMS. he has a "hymn" if you weren't aware [05:38] I wans't, but I'm looking for it now [05:38] http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song.html [05:39] Oh, hah [05:39] I thought about going to his panel, but the fee was kinda steep [05:39] there are youtube videos of RMS singing it [05:39] and remixes [05:39] Which is extraordinarily ironic [05:40] what is? you think he posted them? [05:41] Coderjoe: That I couldn't go to an RMS lecture due to the entry fee, and no, it was the computer faire administration that did [05:45] I saw rms for free [05:45] and he signed his briography, which I printed from pdf and had bound at kinkos [05:45] biography also [05:46] and he told me it was being revised because there are errors and, flustered, I said, "no problem" [05:46] he said, "NO, IT /IS/ A PROBLEM!" [05:46] RMS came many times near Milan and they all were free events [05:47] (although I never participated) [05:47] he tries to sell things to support gnu [05:47] it's a little bit sad [05:47] satan! [05:48] * Nemo_bis had read "support you" [05:48] shaqfu, you can't expect him to go only to free-access events, he takes part to many [05:48] he usually makes a big point that his speeches are free-access [05:48] Nemo_bis: I know; RMS needs to eat. It doesn't make it feel less strange [05:49] shaqfu, that's not what I said [05:49] was it an RMS-only event? [05:49] Oh, no; he was keynote [05:49] you see [05:50] Yeah, there was an entry fee, but tbh there wasn't much other reason to go [05:50] Him and a bunch of local interest groups [05:50] so you're saying that it's strange that he goes to existing events with entry fee [05:51] From that perspective, no [05:51] indeed it would be too much; you can even install GPL software in Windows! ;) [05:52] what, no, I don't believe you [05:53] rms is a hypocrite in a lot of ways and eats things from his feet and enjoys when parrots have sex with him and god help you if you ask him what he wants for breakfast [05:53] but I respect him [05:53] kinda. [05:54] well, I don't know, I've defended RMS enough for this day/week/month [05:55] :) [05:55] [Citation Needed] [05:55] for WHAT [05:55] youtube video, his own blog, and his speech rider, respectively, Coderjoe [05:56] blog, website, whatever it is [05:56] on which he also defends pedophilia [05:56] i was not being serious with that [06:43] So adorable. [06:43] I have a great idea, let's stop discussing RMS in here. [06:43] Like, stop. [06:44] It wasn't an idea, actually, it was a directive. [06:44] well, that kind of sucks. [06:44] nothing else was going on and we wanted to talk about rms and then it ended. [06:44] Yeah, you know what? [06:44] You know what silence is? [06:44] Waiting for the next bit to happen. [06:44] Not a RFC for "let's fill it with crap" [06:45] we're people having a conversation [06:45] what's the problem? [06:45] there was no fight, no controversy, nothing lost [06:46] SketchCow: I'm watching the BBS videos on archive.org, & your cut out your questions with Kaplin. [06:46] He asked why you would still connect to a BBS, & you said "well, four reasons..." & then cut out what you said [06:46] Ask this elsewhere, not here [06:46] sure [06:46] sorry [06:47] http://archive.org/details/musopen is nearly done with the uploads. [06:47] Had to write a special script to generate that table. [06:49] IA just had an internal DNS failure, so some uploads might die. [06:52] I just created #archiveteam-bs [06:52] Talk about anything you want to in there with the awesome braintrust of Archive Team [06:53] why [06:53] Timeout room [07:04] Took out tabblo because basically, we destroyed that thing. [07:04] Really breathtaking to watch. One day. Then maybe a few hours of checking quality, then another few hours. [07:04] That's a terrifying amount of power. [07:05] *BAM* NORTH KOREAN NUCLEAR HOLOCAUST [07:09] The more people we get with ArchiveTeam Warrior, the better. [07:09] Eventually, I'd like to see better instructions, etc. [07:13] Tabblo dead in 3 days [07:20] push it over with a drinking straw [07:21] Yeah, don't let it get anything on you [07:22] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snag_(ecology) [07:26] I learned something new today. [07:26] Not useful for speeches. I bet not 1 in a 1000 people know that term. [07:30] that picture would be good though [07:31] (it's hard to be unfamiliar with ecology here in the middle of rainforest land) [08:19] Just in case there are any users that need requeuing, I'm leaving 70 scripts running. [08:22] i like the sound of this archive warrior [08:22] gonna make my life easier, whats it build on top of? (Distro wise)? [08:55] heh http://www.retromags.com/forums/topic/7096-retromags-collection-moving-to-newsgroups/ [09:02] SmileyG: Ubuntu [09:02] AFAIK [09:20] Well ewwww but ok :D [09:26] SmileyG/ersi: I said Ubuntu first, but now I believe I used Debian. (That's also what it says on the boot screen.) [09:37] Ah getting better :D [13:26] http://www.reddit.com/r/nsfwhot/comments/tun5v/sexy_bikini_yoga_workout/ [13:28]