[00:00] It's so much more polite when respectable organizations extend the middle finger. It's backed in politically correct prose and lawyers. [00:17] do these people think we somehow hacked into the servers and got files that were not already publicly accessable? [00:18] yes [00:18] probably [00:18] the world is full of people who don't understand things [00:18] let it be [00:32] mc [00:32] ups. sorry, wrong window [00:40] I wish we could tell people like that to fuck off [02:30] We're almost down to the end of 1.0 run of PicPlz!! [02:30] http://picplz.heroku.com/ [02:31] This is what the archiveteam warriors look like as they arrive at the picplz servers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvAG2D7SvCo&t=0m22s [02:34] $1300 to a year of git-annex! [03:11] i just noticed that the game shows what the camera sees up by the score [03:14] yes [03:14] SketchCow: btw, did you notice the Get Lamp shout out in my video? :) [03:14] No. I'll look again. [03:14] heh [03:16] Also: you should do an update now. [03:16] yes, coming soon [03:16] Because 4 days is enough for people to spread the news. [03:17] I was hoping to have the first milestone usable, but the code's not quite there yet [03:17] Do it right, not for show [03:18] Also: Best pronounciation of Box ever [03:18] I do not see the get lamp shoutout at all [03:18] I pronounced box? [03:18] well, the lamp's not golden :) [03:18] I see. [03:19] That's a shout out? [03:19] weak one :) [03:19] more like a nod? [03:19] yeah, nod [03:19] yeah, I'm doing it right: http://git-annex.branchable.com/design/assistant/blog/ [03:19] freaking race conditions [03:19] ha ha [03:19] I was going to see about maybe swinging by next week [03:20] Holy fuck, you are in a nowhere that makes nowhere go 'yeah, that's nowhere' [03:20] Backed [03:20] what, you want the $1500 reward I chickened out of? Weekend at the offgrid cabin? :) [03:20] Hurrah for clouds that don't suck [03:20] Why chicken out? [03:20] well, chance of random psycho with $1500 [03:21] I'd be glad to host you. Airport code TRI, then a 1.5 hour drive :P [03:21] Damn, I'd pay $1500 for that [03:21] heh [03:21] I love being nowhere <3 [03:21] I have a friend in the new mexico mountains [03:21] nearest town is like 8 miles away [03:22] it's AWESOME [03:22] :D [03:22] I bet it's wonderful out there at night [03:22] that sounds nice.. while I do live in possibly the most remote (and certianly the most econonically depressed) county in Tennesse, it sometimes feels a little close to civilazation [03:22] Aranje: freaking east coast skyglow [03:22] :( [03:22] Only ever met one person that went off the grid; she picked up one day, drove across the continent, did some archival research, then drove back [03:23] not as bad as some east coast, but I've seen real dark in Honduras, so I'm picky [03:23] Which is the kind of crazy awesome shit you can only do off-grid [03:23] I like montana's dark [03:23] Oh man, the Bronycon documentary is going to break $270k [03:23] on my todo list, for sure [03:24] thanks syhaqfu! [03:24] Aranje: It's great :D [03:24] He works at an observatory [03:24] never underestimate the POWER of the brony side [03:24] I spent a week there [03:24] It's great for, I dunno, centering yourself or something [03:24] Being a fire watcher in Montana is on my list of `summer jobs to do` [03:25] Man, look at that awesome fire [03:25] for me it's great for concentration [03:25] closure: Awesome, I got the super-secret "closure camgirl thanks in IRC" backer level :D [03:25] Like, it's very humbling to see SO MANY stars and know you're the only human for tens of miles [03:25] Heh. And awesome. [03:25] Because you're made up of those stars :D [03:25] :D [03:26] We should have the archiveteam con in the middle of the nm mountains [03:26] oh, also, get this. [03:26] there's a major fiber conduit that runs right nearby [03:26] I'm going to a con next year in a Swiss Chalet :) [03:26] haha, middle of fuckall with 10gbe [03:26] yeah... that doesn't sound like the setup for some horror movie at all... [03:26] so he gets 50/25 internet tapped off of it [03:26] he could get a full gigabit, but it's like $200 a month [03:27] ok, I'm adding fiber backbone map to my househunting checklist [03:27] a little dribble he's got there, but it'll do [03:27] and 50mbps is plenty to download enough porn to last you forever [03:27] I'd download old maps [03:27] Someday when I have money for more drives, I will be a source of old maps. [03:28] Aranje: Do you physically collect? [03:28] I haven't found any yet, but I haven't looked hard. If given the opportunity the answer would be yes. [03:29] I've recently checked out the garage here at my house and found hundreds of very old books too. Fun times. [03:30] Aranje: Either get them appraised or donate them out of the garage [03:30] http://goo.gl/maps/Gdli just north of weed, nm [03:30] Off-on-topic, I saw a conversation today that might pique #archiveteam [03:31] Unfortunately, I don't believe they're mine to give away. They're the landlords. His... aunt? died here 20 years ago and they chucked her shit in the garage and never looked at it again. [03:31] She has a fantastic collection of porcelain dolls as well [03:31] Aranje: Tell him to do something with them. Sell them to dealers and get a few (thousand) bucks, or donate like a boss [03:32] If I'm reading your hostmask right, OSU might be interested [03:32] Mmmk. I figured I'd get rid of (donate, what have you) the filthy romance and dirty old woman books, but there are a few here from the early 1800's I'd like to keep or scan. [03:32] haha it still says I'm in medford [03:32] Hold up - the trashy fic is the *good* stuff [03:32] fucking charter [03:33] I'm in san luis obispo, ca [03:33] (cal poly is the local uni) [03:33] Since it's underrepresented - nobody saved it, it's usually on shit paper, etc [03:33] huh. [03:33] I'll keep that in mind. They're all paperbacks [03:33] Wait, from when? [03:34] some were ravaged years ago by bugs, but I've kept and cleaned the usable ones (pretty low bar for usable) [03:34] 30s-50s for trashy books [03:34] Oh, hm. Not as exciting as I thought [03:34] dime and quarter books [03:34] I thought you meant they were *all* 19th century [03:34] nah [03:34] just the fancy old ones [03:34] hardbound, those [03:35] pretty damn good condition. They're fiction books, the lot of them. [03:35] At some point I'll catalogue them all so I have a list to hand out [03:35] Talk him into doing sometihng with them [03:36] If only for "you'd clean out your garage" :) [03:36] Heh, it needs to be torn down [03:36] If somebody inspected it, I'm sure it would be labeled unsound [03:36] I could kick it over if I tried hard [03:36] It's just enough to keep the rain mostly off what's in there [03:39] * Coderjoe clears his throat [03:39] -bs [03:40] shaqfu, #archiveteam-bs :) [03:43] YES PLEASE [03:44] Anyway - are there any webcomic-archiving projects out there? [03:44] I saw the question go out and the response was "no" [03:45] but indeed, donate. if IA got them, I would hope they would be treated a bit better than what I saw in that one news story [03:48] So, since we got free artists for archiveteam brands/logos, and they're working on the stuff now, I think the Archive Team kickstart will be 100% for hard drives [03:50] excellent.. hmm, rewards.. [03:51] Yeah, going to think that over. [03:52] speaking of drives... [03:53] make any headway on that drive of friendster data? :D [03:54] $1000+: Rent-an-archivist [03:54] I would totally rock an internet archive shirt and/or stickers [03:54] who, me? [03:54] I still have it here in my git annex [03:55] no, SketchCow. [03:55] Someone goes to your house, gets your shit in order [03:55] IA shirt is good [03:55] shaqfu: the opposite of one of those hoarder shows where they throw everything out? [03:56] Coderjoe: The codeword for that is "aggressive appraisal" ;) [03:57] hell, I'd do that for $100+ [03:57] I love cataloguing [04:07] ... [04:07] that bronycon doc total is without whatever has come in via paypal [04:08] hahahaha [04:08] Bronies are serious business, it seems [04:08] and the average pledge amount on kickstarter for that is $130 [04:08] Is that being pulled up by some insanely high amount? [04:09] woah [04:09] six backers at $10,000 or more [04:09] one at $5k [04:09] 11 at $3k [04:09] one at $2.5k [04:09] Wonder if one is an aggregate donation, like the brony one for HIBs [04:10] 8 at $1k [04:10] But it's still a fuckton of cash [04:11] 7+16 at $500, 231 at $250, 98 at $150, 94 at $100, 262 at $75, 189 at $50, 744 at $30, 292 at $10, 5 at $10 [04:12] The hell? Registration at the con itself is $65. Where the hell are bronies getting this kind of money? [04:12] lol [04:16] saving up? [04:17] Oh hi :D [04:17] The doc broke 270k tonight counting PayPal [04:18] Zebranky: Remind me again, are you director or con chair or something, right? [04:18] Con chair, aye [04:18] And consulting producer on the doc [04:18] aha [04:18] so that's another $7k from paypal [04:20] Zebranky: ddg sends "bronycon" to http://www.bronycon.org/index.html [04:20] might want to redirect that properl [04:20] y [04:20] Indeed [04:20] or not, whatever [04:21] I'm a fair bit tipsy, so I don't want to deal with that shit just this moment, but either I'll get someone to tackle it tonight, or we'll do it tomorrow :D [04:21] Thanks for the heads up [04:21] Zebranky: Andrew Brockert? [04:21] Aye [04:22] famenagged [04:22] So hard. [04:22] http://cincymugshots.com/inmate-permalink.php?jms=1446873 :D [04:22] lolnope [04:22] hahaha [04:22] https://twitter.com/#!/lastzebranky more likely [04:22] That'd be me [04:23] cool [04:23] https://twitter.com/#!/zebpony for the pony stuff [04:24] Bronies are serious business, it seems [04:24] You have no idea. [04:24] I mean, *Hasbro* is paying attention. Hasbro corporate. [04:28] < Zebranky> I'm a fair bit tipsy <-- what, you too? [04:28] :D [04:32] everybody's tipsy [04:32] except me [04:32] I should go get tipsy :O [04:33] Still in Rochester or wherever? [04:34] I'm going to be getting quite hammered with three of my senior staff in Albany tomorrow and Saturday nights [04:34] We call ourselves the War Room [04:34] I'm in DC [04:34] well [04:34] south of DC [04:34] Rochester is in the fall :) [04:37] Well, I'll be in the area for the foreseeable future [04:37] Unless one of the $10k donors is Gabe Newell and he offers me a job at Valve, in which case, PEACE, HEADING FOR THE LEFT COAST [04:38] (This is not entirely unrealistic. I'm told the first donor at that level is a software engineer from Seattle who wishes to remain anonymous.) [04:38] A certain W. Gates III? [04:38] he's not a software engineer [04:38] Used to be [04:39] hahah [04:39] Zebranky: move to seattle, best city. [04:39] I've heard many good things. [04:39] I do loves me some Boston. [04:39] Think it'll always be my city. [04:39] I've only heard of the city's drinking tolerances [04:40] (seattle, that is) [04:40] lol [04:40] Boston has a significant Irish population. [04:47] woop woop woop off-topic siren [04:48] Alcohol is always on topic. [04:48] only when you're drunk [04:48] and this is the internet, there are sober people online all the tmie [04:48] The world needs more alcohol archivists. [04:48] ... [04:48] lol [04:48] I archive alcohol with my liver [04:49] s/archive/recycle/ [04:49] I've seen wine libraries; never archives, though [04:50] lending library? [04:51] I am intriqued, how would that work, exactly? [04:51] I think it was just a library about wine [04:52] The whole "exactly one use ever" thing makes it tricky [04:54] It could be like Kopi Luwak [04:55] So if the internet archive had a large collection of music CDs that were going to be digitized, what cool things would you do with the results? [04:55] BRAINSTORM TIME [04:55] like pandora but with weirder music [04:56] yeah, that's one thought [04:56] What kind of music? [04:56] And how big? [04:56] But there's all sorts of gross red tape involved because it's like "changing of media" and stuff [04:56] Every genre imaginable [04:56] >250,000 unique releases [04:56] Pitch it as a stock library [04:57] changing of format of media* [04:57] stock library? [04:58] undersco2: Music you can use for stuff when you need music, but don't care enough to buy rights [04:58] We don't have the rights though [04:58] I refuse to believe the intergalactic criminal Zod uses mirc [04:58] These are commercially pressed albums [04:58] Oh :( Thought it might've been a big set of free/orphan works [04:58] nope, sorry [04:59] undersco2: sound like a large dark blotch [04:59] THen, uh, shop it around the DH community? [04:59] DH? [04:59] Coderjoe: I don't understand? [04:59] Digital humanities [04:59] oh [04:59] undersco2: a large swath of dark items [04:59] I'm sure there's some history-of-music geek that'd want to number-crunch against a large set [05:00] oh, yeah. they will be atm [05:00] just trying to brainstorm of possible things to do with them [05:00] (one of my lower priority projects) [05:00] It sounds like your hands are bound by rights [05:01] Yeah. [05:01] lefts [05:01] But we could do something like openlibrary for audio [05:01] Ensuring not more than one person has "checked out" the track at a time [05:01] and as long as we maintain a physical copy, then it's purportedly okay [05:01] um... [05:02] yeah... you know full well that if it can be played, it can be copied [05:02] (doing something nasty with DRM or something to "ensure" consistency) [05:02] oh, yeah. no different than recording pandora though [05:03] It just hass to be sufficient "drm" to make the RIAA satisified [05:03] (unfortunately) [05:03] I long for the day where we could just have these huge archives of older songs [05:03] nothing will ever satisfy them [05:03] except all the money [05:03] except everyone giving them all their monies [05:05] nope [05:05] nothing redeems [05:05] After they get all the moneys, they would want more :| [05:06] It's a totally broken system D: [05:06] this is why I love bandcamp, et al though [05:07] they're the beginning of the music revolution (tm) [05:07] must mirror remix.nin [05:07] no, not going away (that I am aware of) [05:39] TODAY I LEARNED IF I PLUG IN TWO 3TB DRIVES INTO THIS SATA DOCK IT BLUESCREENS [05:39] A fun lesson, useful to nobody [05:40] I bet you won't be doing that again [05:40] at least until next time, anyway [05:40] most controllers/port expanders don't like 3tb drives [05:40] two 3tb drives* [05:41] I've seen that with a LOT of them [05:41] :( [07:14] bluescreen = windows? [07:14] * SmileyG likes centos pink screen [07:14] its rather amusing to see that explode. [07:14] osx kernel panic in 7 languages is purty [07:15] Windows 8 has an emoticon BSoD [07:15] potentially useful: http://joepie91.cryto.net/trac/wiki/resolv [07:15] sideways frown with a brief error message [07:17] do we think in future versions of warrior it would be possible to specify the number of workers? [07:17] I was able to run 8 copies of seesaw.sh on a big VPS [07:18] i guess if you want to do that you have to have the initiative to grab it by the balls and do it yourself [07:19] couldn't you just bash out a script which takes a numeric input and spawn that many copies? [07:19] i did that [07:19] erm [07:19] that's what I did [07:19] want to see if i can find it? [07:20] for x in [1..$1] do; ; done [07:20] I had tmux tile it all out with nload in the bottom [07:20] BUT, what I'm saying, is that most of the time it seems like 2 workers inside a whole vm is not worth it [07:21] you have a whole OS for 2 measly workers that aren't even touching your total bandwidth [07:21] it'd be nice for warrior to ask how many you wanted when it started [07:22] yeah, I guess [07:22] on a *nix it makes more sense to just grab the code and run it natively I guess [07:23] the VM does have the advantage of being foolproof [07:25] 2 seems a good one to do while we work out bugs [07:25] Warrior has only been in wide release a week. [07:25] It's probably a good idea to, you know, see it in the field for a while. [07:27] agreed [07:28] word [07:29] There's also a memory issue: the warrior takes 512 MB, I believe, so you can't run an infinite number of workers. [07:30] it'd be cool to be able to boot spot instances of ec2 using something like fog that ran this shit [07:31] they're at like 2.7cents/hr right noww [07:31] whoa the micros are at .6 cents/hr [07:32] how about a boinc project o_O [07:32] $52/yr for a micro spot instance [07:32] but you could get bumped [07:33] it only happens a few times a month [07:33] boinc could be interesting, if you get academia support especially [07:33] Need a willing student to do the coding ;D [07:33] SoC? [07:34] Oooo maybe [07:34] summer of cider? [07:34] :D [07:34] with the TR piece jason could probably get funding [07:34] Does he need anymore stress? [07:34] or just use regular old archive.org funds [07:35] I like how we went from something relatively free to something costing money. [07:35] its a collection of scripts that any linux boincer could run [07:35] Let's try to make it cost more money [07:35] they love to have projects just for them [07:36] SketchCow: lol yeah exactly [07:36] boinc should be simple enough to do freely [07:36] let's hire guys out of google and get a suite at a hotel to run the servers [07:36] * SmileyG might actually look into it today [07:36] also, every time we download a user, we burn a dollar [07:36] Is that factual cost? [07:36] It'd be like chinese ghost/spirit money, but real money [07:36] or just making a point? [07:37] but we have to put the ashes in a greeting card and mail them to someone [07:37] "Look, I spent money and now you get nothing!" [07:38] YOUR DATA DID THIS! [07:38] Let's mail them to the CEO who got fired from yahoo [07:38] lol [07:38] yes! [07:39] hm [07:39] I guess I'm technically running my shit on non-free architecture [07:39] because we're just not using it right now [07:40] http://boinc.berkeley.edu/trac/wiki/VboxApps [07:40] DONE IT [07:40] \o/ [07:40] does it need to be headless? [07:40] i'll figure a way to pass the command to it. [07:41] does boinc set env vars somewhere? [07:41] swhitt: sure, the instance itself may be cheap, but you forgot the bandwidth cost [07:41] Coderjoe: we just need 100 newbs with free micro instances [07:41] then why are you talking spot instances? [07:41] and you only get so much bandwidth in the free tier [07:42] how dare you poke holes in my postulating! [07:42] swhitt's idea is unworkable, but it's always good to have people brainstorm [07:42] OK, bed, busy day tomorrow [07:42] :) [07:43] hehe [07:43] however boinc seems very very possible if I just think about this today while I should be working [07:43] Need to modify the startup script for the warrior, but... (is the code for that somewhere, am I ok to *play* with the vm-image? [07:44] boot.sh in warrior-code? [07:44] I guess you want the tool that made the ova [07:44] and I presume your using mingetty with autologin or something funky like that. [07:44] I just wonder why, when our servers already rape a service pretty soundly, why you'd want it to extend up to mega-ultra-rape [07:45] SketchCow: you inspire us to FUC KSHI T U P [07:45] does heroku hate archiveteam? [07:45] Because with the exception of something like myspace or flickr, we'll demolish most services. [07:45] o_O spaces. [07:45] I'd bet heroku doesn't like us [07:45] Heroku likes us. [07:45] SketchCow: new age of slashdot effect? [07:45] Where as slashdot effect kills stuff, we are saving it for everyone? [07:45] are we paying for heroku? [07:45] I'm just saying, I think you need to go after other things. [07:45] Better uses of your time. [07:46] I'm at work [07:46] I should be working in 10 minutes [07:46] Than turning the warriors into a massive bandwidth-plugging please-look-at-us flare parade [07:46] That'd be a far better use of my time :D [07:46] Well, that's true [07:46] But.... this is *fun* and I might actually be able to do it [07:46] That jizz isn't going to mop itself [07:46] whoa I should not leave my linode vps running the mobileme seesaw [07:47]