#archiveteam 2012-06-13,Wed

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01:16 πŸ”— bsmith094 the dark option should be reinstated, for rare stuff, or things you happen to have, but wont be clear for decades
01:17 πŸ”— bsmith094 err, i meant for IA
02:13 πŸ”— chronomex um, huh?
02:14 πŸ”— underscor jeez, s3cmd updates the terminal often
02:15 πŸ”— shaqfu underscor: no --quiet?
02:15 πŸ”— underscor it's too quiet
02:15 πŸ”— chronomex --just-right
02:15 πŸ”— underscor I want progress, but I don't want a terminal refresh on every byte sent
02:16 πŸ”— chronomex |pv|
02:16 πŸ”— underscor 41084465152 of 60770181120 67% in 3067s 12.77 MB/s
02:16 πŸ”— underscor that's a lot of repaints
02:23 πŸ”— shaqfu underscor: Once you get the time/bandwidth, could you toss your Fileplanet stuff up?
02:24 πŸ”— shaqfu (I'll be so glad to be done that project)
02:46 πŸ”— SketchCow Hugs for all
02:48 πŸ”— shaqfu How's JCDL?
02:48 πŸ”— SketchCow Good stuff
02:48 πŸ”— SketchCow Lots learned
02:58 πŸ”— shaqfu Your talk's tomorrow?
02:58 πŸ”— * BlueMax jumps at SketchCow
02:59 πŸ”— SketchCow Monday
02:59 πŸ”— SketchCow Already done
03:00 πŸ”— shaqfu Hunh; didn't see anything about it, but I was in radio silence all day
03:00 πŸ”— Famicoman when can we see it
03:08 πŸ”— SketchCow There's no video
03:09 πŸ”— Coderjoe underscor: yeah, that's one annoying thing about s3cmd
03:09 πŸ”— underscor SketchCow: audio?
03:10 πŸ”— Coderjoe and s3funnel is completely silent
03:17 πŸ”— SketchCow Audio not so good.
03:21 πŸ”— Famicoman like tin can not so good, or minidisc concert recording not so good?
03:33 πŸ”— godane bsmith094: I got a lot of stuff for the dark archive
03:33 πŸ”— godane almost full year of x-play from 2011
03:34 πŸ”— godane G4 E3 2012
03:35 πŸ”— godane this stuff is less of problem then some stuff
03:36 πŸ”— godane i know part of may 31 attack of the show is already on archive.org
07:35 πŸ”— joepie91 <CoJaBo>Domain sponsor erasing all content from previous owners of all domains they host from Archive.org. All 130,000 of them.
07:35 πŸ”— joepie91 ?
07:48 πŸ”— chronomex what's that mean?
07:55 πŸ”— SmileyG I know what it sounds like, but I don't know what it actually is. So I won't be commenting here, see -bs if you care what I think.
08:01 πŸ”— joepie91 I'm not sure either, it was a passing remark from someone on freenode
08:06 πŸ”— chronomex SmileyG: except that you didn't comment in there either
08:06 πŸ”— chronomex okay, so you pasted random hearsay into the channel joepie91
08:06 πŸ”— chronomex nice job
08:10 πŸ”— joepie91 there's a reason a question mark was attached
08:16 πŸ”— SmileyG chronomex: didn't know if anyone wanted me to :D
08:24 πŸ”— ersi joepie91: If it isn't related to someone in here grabbing something or wonder how to grab something - post it in #archiveteam-bs instead of here.
08:24 πŸ”— ersi joepie91: ie. most often, go #at-bs instead of here.
08:38 πŸ”— loofygun noo what happened to my memca upload :(
08:38 πŸ”— loofygun memac
08:40 πŸ”— loofygun it just stopped
08:41 πŸ”— ersi Yeah, seems like the rsync machine said good night. Or some network issue.
08:41 πŸ”— ersi Let it run and it'll resume when it's back :)
09:08 πŸ”— loofygun ersi, ok, thanks
09:08 πŸ”— loofygun ...although now it closed itself
09:09 πŸ”— ersi You can always run "./upload-finished.sh <your nickname>" later to upload all finished material when it comes back
09:11 πŸ”— loofygun yeah i'll do that
09:11 πŸ”— ersi it's up again btw, works me now :)
09:12 πŸ”— loofygun yeah just noticed. looks like i started from the beginning though :(
09:12 πŸ”— loofygun it*
09:23 πŸ”— ersi Well, that outage was nice. I'm able to push content to fos quicker now :-P
10:12 πŸ”— loofygun my glorious 1MB upload is owned by some dude's 6,5 GB gallery :/
10:18 πŸ”— ersi Seems like people have re-established uploading to fos, my speed has sunk once again :P
10:18 πŸ”— ersi Was almost using all of our 100mbit/s pipe
11:15 πŸ”— underscor Someone want to add FOS outage until 5AM PST 6/13/12 to the topic?
11:32 πŸ”— loofygun what does FOS stand for?
11:50 πŸ”— Deewiant loofygun: Fortress of Solitude
11:58 πŸ”— loofygun okay, thanks. what's it for (besides being superman's base)? :)
11:58 πŸ”— SmileyG LOL.
12:02 πŸ”— Deewiant fos.archive.org... as I understand it, it's the server that collaborative efforts (like anything involving the Warrior, see /topic) tend to upload to; the uploaded bits are eventually combined and placed on archive.org proper
12:02 πŸ”— Deewiant Er, fos.textfiles.com
12:08 πŸ”— loofygun alright, thanks for the info
12:09 πŸ”— Deewiant No problem
12:45 πŸ”— SketchCow Yeah, there was another outage due to something, it affected some machines.
13:02 πŸ”— SketchCow Well, here comes the MASS of spambots on archiveteam.org.
13:02 πŸ”— SketchCow I have to find additional ways to kill them.
13:06 πŸ”— GLaDOS DNS blacklists?
13:06 πŸ”— GLaDOS Seems to work for my wikis.
13:08 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ConfirmAccount
13:08 πŸ”— SketchCow I may do this.
13:08 πŸ”— GLaDOS Hm
13:51 πŸ”— kennethre http://blog.readability.com/2012/06/announcement/
13:51 πŸ”— kennethre "As of June 30, 2012, Readability will no longer accept reader fees."
14:04 πŸ”— SketchCow hahaha
14:04 πŸ”— SketchCow Really?
14:05 πŸ”— SketchCow "We're delighted to announce we are no longer stealing televisions, and televisions we've accrued will be given to low-income senior citizen homes."
14:07 πŸ”— SketchCow "We had a dream, a dream where televisions would be freed for new and amazing uses."
14:07 πŸ”— closure mistym, (Pounce message): I'm around now if you still have a question
14:07 πŸ”— closure mistym, (Pounce message): I'm around now if you still have a question
14:07 πŸ”— closure mistym, (Pounce message): I'm around now if you still have a question
14:07 πŸ”— closure mistym, (Pounce message): I'm around now if you still have a question
14:08 πŸ”— closure mistym, (Pounce message): I'm around now if you still have a question
14:08 πŸ”— SketchCow Yeah, mistym will definitely see that
14:08 πŸ”— SketchCow I can't I gave this toolbox $500
14:08 πŸ”— SketchCow What was I thinking
14:08 πŸ”— kennethre SketchCow: hahaha
14:08 πŸ”— SketchCow OH YES THAT'S RIGHT H'S GOING TO CHANGE THE FACE OF DATA OWNERSHIP
14:08 πŸ”— mistym I saw it all right :V
14:08 πŸ”— Schbirid haha
14:09 πŸ”— SketchCow pm him 12 times
14:09 πŸ”— kennethre SketchCow: it'll be interesting to see how it's received, twitter seems impressed so far
14:09 πŸ”— SketchCow "Hi, can I help you?"
14:09 πŸ”— kennethre "Readability gets rid of payment model and gives away a bunch of money"
14:09 πŸ”— mistym SketchCow: Even better, we already talked about it yesterday so I don't even have a question any more!
14:09 πŸ”— SketchCow Twitter is impressed at their forethought in moving away from a television stealing model, especially as they all steal cable anyway
14:12 πŸ”— SketchCow I got some people I really like really angry at me for being a party spoiler about the whole readability business model.
14:12 πŸ”— SketchCow But that's OK, I got plenty of people I like.
14:13 πŸ”— SketchCow I can lose a few over principles
14:13 πŸ”— SketchCow Of course, if someone sues them, like they can most certainly do, they're all still going to jail.
14:15 πŸ”— SketchCow I mean, make no mistake, I love people thinking forward:
14:15 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.lamebook.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/time-stoppin-tom.jpg
14:15 πŸ”— SketchCow But a business model with phrases like "anticipating" and holding money from people you're stealing from, AS A BUSINESS MODEL, makes my skin crawl.
14:17 πŸ”— SketchCow ANYWAY
14:17 πŸ”— SketchCow Let's go back to planning multi-hoped devastating content acqusitions attacks against servers
14:19 πŸ”— SketchCow Just hand-verified another terabyte of mobileme
14:19 πŸ”— SketchCow Meebo. What do we think?
14:20 πŸ”— ersi lol, it's never interesting to see what "twitter thinks"
14:21 πŸ”— mistym Loving the new spam usernames on the wiki. JonaszlaqvnyavvyhtyyfixayarkheyptbxethfsPfalzgraf is a totally believable name.
14:21 πŸ”— kennethre SketchCow: yeah, the part that saddens me is how the true concern is dismissed by the company
14:21 πŸ”— kennethre COME AT ME BRO
14:21 πŸ”— Schbirid mistym: JonaszlaqvnyavvyhtyfixayarkheyptbxethfsPfalzgraf was probably taken
14:22 πŸ”— mistym Schbirid: Hah.
14:23 πŸ”— closure wow, that is one seriously broken xchat plugin
14:28 πŸ”— SketchCow How's the gold, rims and bitches, closure
14:28 πŸ”— SketchCow Whatever the cabin equivalents are
14:28 πŸ”— kennethre nice, they're deleting blog comments now
14:28 πŸ”— SketchCow Are they
14:28 πŸ”— SketchCow Keep saving them
14:28 πŸ”— kennethre hopefully it's in my cache
14:29 πŸ”— SketchCow Make no mistake, I'd love to punch them publically, but there'd be absolutely no benefit.
14:30 πŸ”— SketchCow Empty office in a year, mark my words
14:30 πŸ”— kennethre so glad i left :)
14:30 πŸ”— SketchCow Peppered with 1 or even maybe two major shifts in "focus"
14:31 πŸ”— kennethre yeah, higher risk now for some people
14:31 πŸ”— kennethre since they got investors involved
14:31 πŸ”— ersi Left what? Readability?
14:31 πŸ”— kennethre ersi: yeah I was developer number 2
14:31 πŸ”— ersi Oh, I see
14:32 πŸ”— ersi I bet readability has a loot of python behind it then :)
14:32 πŸ”— kennethre yeah it's a monolithic django app
14:32 πŸ”— kennethre one of the worst codebases i've ever seen
14:32 πŸ”— kennethre i was shocked when i came aboard
14:32 πŸ”— kennethre synthetic-deadline-driven-development
14:34 πŸ”— ersi hah, niiice
14:36 πŸ”— kennethre comments are back, must have been shitty caching
14:37 πŸ”— SketchCow I hope people are talking to them in white hipster pigdin
14:37 πŸ”— SketchCow "SO proud of you guys"
14:37 πŸ”— SketchCow "totally support this"
14:38 πŸ”— kennethre "What a great, great thing. Congratulations on trying to create something good"
14:38 πŸ”— kennethre Γ’Β€ΒœWhat, giving unclaimed money to CHARITY!? So unethical! Such capitalism! The greed!Ҁ
14:38 πŸ”— SketchCow http://blog.readability.com/2012/06/announcement/#comment-3369
14:39 πŸ”— SketchCow That's my take.
14:39 πŸ”— kennethre I concur
14:39 πŸ”— Schbirid learning the most basic basic awk things were one of the best things i could ever do
14:40 πŸ”— SketchCow Pardon me while I delete a terabyte of mobileme files uploaded to archive.org
14:41 πŸ”— kennethre "Keep up the great work. And brace yourselves for the continual shitstorm thatҀ™s just started here." hahaha
14:41 πŸ”— DFJustin what's a terabyte or two between friends
14:43 πŸ”— Schbirid how do i check if someone gave them money for sites of mine? (if that is what this is about?)
14:43 πŸ”— SketchCow Oh god, who knows
14:43 πŸ”— SketchCow Some 27 B-6 I'm sure
14:44 πŸ”— SketchCow There we go, another terabyte shoved into the exodus!
14:44 πŸ”— Dvorak anyone here using an ovh box?
14:44 πŸ”— Schbirid Dvorak: 2
14:45 πŸ”— Schbirid 21UTC is the next giveaway
14:45 πŸ”— Schbirid might be nice since that is conflicting with football :)
14:45 πŸ”— Dvorak do they offer unlimited/unmetered 10Gbit? (Does anywhere?)
14:45 πŸ”— Schbirid no idea
14:46 πŸ”— Schbirid i have 100mbit/s until some TB and then 10mbit/s
14:46 πŸ”— Schbirid looks like 30TB/month or the gbit ones
14:46 πŸ”— Schbirid f
14:49 πŸ”— Dvorak arggh can't do with those limits, I'm on 10Gbit/dwn 1Gbit/up with 40TB limit (limited upload, unlimited down) and these limits are bad enough
14:50 πŸ”— Dvorak nothing should be limited, when will that be a thing XD
15:06 πŸ”— kennethre https://twitter.com/richziade/status/212923220846854144
15:06 πŸ”— kennethre they are considering it
15:26 πŸ”— SketchCow Oh crap, I agreed with Joe Clark.
15:26 πŸ”— SketchCow I hate Joe Clark so much and we're on the same side with Radibility
15:27 πŸ”— kennethre this guy? http://www.alistapart.com/authors/c/joeclark
15:31 πŸ”— SketchCow Yeah
15:31 πŸ”— SketchCow Dude, we hate each other so much, if you went in between that hate it'd be like getting your face in a microwave
15:31 πŸ”— SketchCow our hate would literally burn your face off
15:31 πŸ”— kennethre hahaha
15:31 πŸ”— SketchCow "Redwood City is back on the Internet. However, we are still sending much of our outbound Internet traffic from 300 Funston via Abovenet. Traffic between 300 Funston and Redwood City is also traveling over Abovenet, which currently means it's taking a round-trip to New York!"
15:32 πŸ”— SketchCow http://andrewdupont.net/2009/03/21/tough-love/
15:32 πŸ”— SketchCow That's someone BLOGGING ABOUT HOW MUCH WE HATE EACH OTHER
15:37 πŸ”— DrainLbry Never heard of the guy until now. Subtitles man? He gets this worked up over his perceived subject mastery of subtitles and "accessibility?" accessibility is people like you who actually you know, get shit done, instead of waving your magic wand and telling the acolytes how they're casting all wrong
15:37 πŸ”— SketchCow He's famous in some circles
15:37 πŸ”— SketchCow But he's much less outgoing and does no presentations and is very, very bitter.
15:38 πŸ”— DrainLbry Sounds like a swell guy
15:40 πŸ”— SketchCow If you make fun of him, he threatens to sue you
15:42 πŸ”— DrainLbry I'm sorry, you aren't qualified to provide interpretation of his legal threats, leave it to the professionals
15:43 πŸ”— DrainLbry you may think because your software allows you to type that you should, but my advice: don't.
15:44 πŸ”— DrainLbry it's not like everyone can just go around giving opinion or making art, like captions
15:45 πŸ”— DrainLbry Ircing on macs, don't try it at home!
15:47 πŸ”— DrainLbry Online since 1991, predating the Web - well a
15:47 πŸ”— SketchCow Are you reading from Joe Clark?
15:47 πŸ”— SketchCow I'd advise stopping. No need to dump it all here.
15:48 πŸ”— DrainLbry my own mental health was deteoriating just looking at it
15:50 πŸ”— SketchCow Laptop dying. Bummer. Talk again soon.
15:50 πŸ”— SketchCow (This Theater has no plug)
15:50 πŸ”— SketchCow Anyway, I'd like members just hanging out here, to think about ways we can make things "better"
15:51 πŸ”— SketchCow I'd like us to start thinking about "Memento", a program and standard I learned about here.
15:52 πŸ”— SketchCow Which could eventually unify all the web archives like archiv.org and others so that you can search old versions of old pages as easily as you find current versions.
15:52 πŸ”— SketchCow http://www.mementoweb.org/
15:58 πŸ”— DrainLbry This is damned nice and neat
16:04 πŸ”— DrainLbry so in the event a server doesn't provide maintain archives, or provide a timegate header to a third party archive, will the plugin architecture support "repositories" per se, or looking into some kind of distributed/master index, where it will look for a "Rogue" archive?
16:05 πŸ”— DrainLbry additionally, what mechanisms will exist for scraping server-provided archives for long-term archiving, given that this seems dependent on the original provider maintaing their own archives? seems like whoever's research I recall seeing here about WARC-as-you-browse proxy would fit in nicely to fill the gaps by those sites chosing not to provide archive
16:08 πŸ”— DrainLbry Some kind of distributed network where you basically join in upon a browser launch, and your browser dedicates X GB to peer-to-peer archiving of those non-centrally provided archives (and optionally, even storing the ones that are provided by the server but may disappear. I browse to CNN on May 5th, CNN doesn't provide timegate headers or point me to any third party archive. Browser/plugin references it's list of "rogue" archives to look for a c
16:08 πŸ”— DrainLbry entrally stored one, or queries the p2p archive-net for anyone who's been there recently
16:09 πŸ”— DrainLbry and then requests from a fellow browser elsewhere
16:10 πŸ”— DrainLbry Plus I'm a little weary of 1984-style changing of history with this, how to know if the provided timegated archive truly represents the content at that time, or has been altered? Rewriting history seems like it would be an awful temptation to a lots of folks, given protocols/apps layered on top that would present it as the real-deal, the end-user non the wieer
16:11 πŸ”— DrainLbry possibly the need for some neutral-party verifying authority to store checksums of the timegates?
16:11 πŸ”— DrainLbry or baked into said p2p archivenet
16:14 πŸ”— DrainLbry It's December 10, 2020, My memento enabled browser requests Eurasia's policy meeting minutes from June 1st, 2015. Little do I know that Eurasia has "gone back in time" to alter the minutes to say something that wasn't really originally there. Browser should be able to ask "the network" or a trusted server, hey, you saw this original page back in 2015, want to vouch for it via checksum/crypto sig?
16:15 πŸ”— patrickg neutral-party.. sounds ambitious
16:15 πŸ”— DrainLbry Receiving either a yay/nay on if that page is both "legit", and actually complete as originally seen
16:16 πŸ”— DrainLbry nevermind my conspiracy theories, whether everything is there as originally seen for completions sakes
16:16 πŸ”— DrainLbry let's say "Trusted party" instead then
16:17 πŸ”— DrainLbry The CA's of Truthiness.
16:38 πŸ”— SmileyG yo yo yo
16:39 πŸ”— SmileyG if your that paranoid, get off the net :/
16:41 πŸ”— DrainLbry I think they're valid concerns for the protocol/use cases. Can't trust every entity to be truthful in their archives.
16:42 πŸ”— DrainLbry If you're going to layer a browser on top of "time traveling", there needs to be a level of trust you're seeing a true snapshot in time. Not applicable to every website, but definitely some.
16:43 πŸ”— DrainLbry I trust IA now when I look in the Wayback Machine, but "no really, this is what our website looked like three months ago" doesn't inspire confidence when coming from those producing the content
16:50 πŸ”— SketchCow Yes, nail it at Rob Sanderson and say Jason Scott sent you
16:53 πŸ”— SmileyG Can I suggest a total random and likely useless thought on this?
16:53 πŸ”— DrainLbry it's only useless if you say it is
16:53 πŸ”— DrainLbry throw it out there
16:54 πŸ”— SmileyG Bitcoin has a history function which shows ALL the activity of the network
16:54 πŸ”— DrainLbry not useless at all man, exactly what i was thinking, something along the line of bitcon-esque activity
16:54 πŸ”— SmileyG Possible modifcation could be adopted for any site which needs an authendicated history, where every change is encoded in the stream.
16:54 πŸ”— SmileyG means you can "unwind" the chain and see every change was and by who/what. If theres a break you know something is iffy.
16:55 πŸ”— DrainLbry i didn't want to be conspiracy theory guy + bitcoin guy, but hey, since you put it out there too :)
16:55 πŸ”— DrainLbry precisely
17:02 πŸ”— Famicoman so are there any JCDL2012 talks for download yet
17:02 πŸ”— SketchCow They don't record any talks.
17:02 πŸ”— SketchCow (I know, right?)
17:03 πŸ”— Famicoman oh the irony
17:03 πŸ”— arkhive This is weird http://safeweb.norton.com/report/show?url=http:%2F%2Farchiveteam.org%2Findex.php%3Ftitle=Rescuing_Floppy_Disks&product=NIS&version=19.7.1.5&layout=Retail&lang=0901&source=toolbar
17:03 πŸ”— arkhive archiveteam.org has one computer threat
17:04 πŸ”— SketchCow Back when we were still on dreamhost.
17:05 πŸ”— arkhive why would that make a difference?
17:05 πŸ”— SketchCow Because dreamhost is riddled with hacking, and our site was hacked?
17:05 πŸ”— arkhive ah
17:18 πŸ”— SketchCow kennethre: The comments are exploding.
17:18 πŸ”— SketchCow Could you do me a favor and do a series of grabs of the pages in the comments, so that we can see what they censor or flip out or do?
17:19 πŸ”— SketchCow Also, finally, I can delete Jeffrey Zeldman
17:25 πŸ”— kennethre SketchCow: will do
17:26 πŸ”— kennethre haha
17:26 πŸ”— Dvorak I was searching for quoted text and came up with http://badcheese.com/~steve/atlogs/?chan=archiveteam&day=2012-06-07
17:26 πŸ”— kennethre i think people have good reasons to defend them
17:26 πŸ”— Dvorak didn't know the logs were online ^-^
17:26 πŸ”— kennethre they just haven't thought it through very much
17:49 πŸ”— Hethrir 2 Mobile me fails http://pastebin.com/uCurS97u
17:51 πŸ”— Hethrir Or not?
17:54 πŸ”— Dvorak If you keep getting errors such as ERROR (3) when running ./dld-client.sh, just forget about that nickname for now and rerun the script, someone would rerun them closer to the closing date. There should be more information about this given here, but there isn't any and this is the best way I know.
17:55 πŸ”— Dvorak http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=MobileMe -- See, 1.2
17:59 πŸ”— SketchCow Zeldman is a toolbox
17:59 πŸ”— SketchCow I sat in his SXSW presentation
17:59 πŸ”— SketchCow We ended up walking out
17:59 πŸ”— SketchCow It was information and context free
18:00 πŸ”— kennethre which preso was it?
18:00 πŸ”— kennethre SketchCow: are you "a random scott from the internet?" :P
18:03 πŸ”— SketchCow Is this in those comments?
18:05 πŸ”— SketchCow No.
18:05 πŸ”— SketchCow (Had to go look)
18:05 πŸ”— SketchCow You ever know me to write things anonymously like that?
18:36 πŸ”— kennethre i didn't think so, but worth asking since it was "Scott" :P
18:50 πŸ”— chronomex I think SketchCow shares my view that anything worth writing is worth taking credit for
19:02 πŸ”— SketchCow kennethre: Gah, you have to retweet and make me see zeldman
19:02 πŸ”— SketchCow Today on Zeldman's Show: Zeldman, a Board Member of a Criminal Enterprise, Interviews the CEO of the Criminal Enterprise about Why It's Not a Criminal Enterprise
19:04 πŸ”— kennethre SketchCow: hahaha
19:04 πŸ”— kennethre SketchCow: I want to hear the defense
19:04 πŸ”— kennethre imagine if they get ben brooks in the line at the same time
19:04 πŸ”— kennethre it'd be so epic
21:42 πŸ”— Schbirid i got a code from ovh AGAIN and their idiotic site design led to me not being able to find the form to enter it AGAIN
21:42 πŸ”— Dvorak XD
21:44 πŸ”— Schbirid seriously, it was so lucky
21:45 πŸ”— Schbirid then i tried to login with my existing account and just got told that i cannot have two but that i could pass the code to a friend
21:45 πŸ”— Schbirid well, FUCKING HOW
21:45 πŸ”— Schbirid will mail them tomorrow, they seem to use twitter only as sender and for frenchos
21:45 πŸ”— Schbirid good night :)
22:37 πŸ”— bsmith094 how do i mark things as dark for IA
23:10 πŸ”— chronomex item manager -> make_dark
23:15 πŸ”— Coderjoe you can also mark it dark with the metadata headers when you upload a new item using the s3api interface
23:16 πŸ”— chronomex yes

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