#archiveteam 2012-06-29,Fri

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01:41 🔗 BlueMax probably noted already but arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/06/minitel-frances-precursor-to-the-web-to-go-dark-on-june-30/
02:45 🔗 DFJustin huh I remember learning about that in french class
04:05 🔗 underscor godane: http://archive.org/details/cdrom-3d-world-140?reCache=1
04:05 🔗 underscor got the other one too
04:05 🔗 underscor I got collection moving privs today
04:05 🔗 underscor hooray!
04:07 🔗 shaqfu You're all grown up
04:08 🔗 underscor hahaha
04:08 🔗 godane you can move these: cdrom-3d-world-120, cdrom-3d-world-121, cdrom-3d-world-116
04:08 🔗 underscor I got the warning from my boss, "Don't accidentally fuck something cause it makes me look bad!"
04:08 🔗 underscor hahaha
04:09 🔗 godane and: cdrom-3d-world-125
04:10 🔗 underscor godane: done
04:11 🔗 godane thanks
04:11 🔗 DFJustin our cd-roms will blot out the sun
04:13 🔗 shaqfu Then we'll archive in the shade!
04:14 🔗 DFJustin I hadn't seen those cd stack photos from jason's presentation before though, holy piss
04:14 🔗 underscor lol
04:20 🔗 BlueMax lol
04:53 🔗 Coderjoe iirc, jason said "just upload them, and I'll move them when you're done"
05:15 🔗 godane uploading dltv episode 73
05:15 🔗 godane my brother is watch late late show
05:15 🔗 godane so i can upload quick stuff now
05:15 🔗 godane :-D
05:16 🔗 omf_ sometimes when I wake up, it feels like I woke up from death. ugh. I seem to have forgotten what quality sleep is.
05:16 🔗 omf_ lets see if these isos are ready to upload
05:19 🔗 omf_ Does anyone use FXP for uploading files? I was thinking of giving it a shot
05:19 🔗 godane matrix is back
05:19 🔗 godane watch episode 73
05:22 🔗 underscor Coderjoe: yeah, but might as well save him effort
05:24 🔗 SketchCow I'm in LA for the next 3 days.
05:26 🔗 SketchCow Uploading a previously missing 6.9gb of Geocities
05:26 🔗 godane there was 6.9gb missing from geocities
05:27 🔗 shaqfu Where'd you find it?
05:30 🔗 Coderjoe in the sofa cushions
05:30 🔗 Coderjoe it fell out of someone's pocket
05:30 🔗 shaqfu Yahoo HQ dumpster
05:31 🔗 SketchCow Was on a machine from a volunteer server that went down.
05:31 🔗 SketchCow The guy got it up, and it had this data, and some google videos too.
05:32 🔗 Coderjoe god I suddenly made myself feel old. I remember when 6.9GB was in incomprehensible amount of data. Now you can carry it around on something the size of your pinky fingernail and have it fall out of your pocket and loose it
05:32 🔗 shaqfu Pull out your wallet, lose Geocities
05:32 🔗 Coderjoe (holy shit! I have a 15MB hard drive! this is awesome! I have no idea how I can fill this up!)
05:39 🔗 ersi Coderjoe: I always carry 8GB with me on my keychain
05:41 🔗 DFJustin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IBM_card_storage.NARA.jpg is my favourite comparison image
05:42 🔗 DFJustin I now have a microsd card that holds 8 times as much as that warehouse
05:43 🔗 shaqfu And 8 million times easier to get data from
05:46 🔗 chronomex Hah, I love how an offhand calculation I did in irc made it to the description of that image
05:46 🔗 chronomex We truly live in the future
05:47 🔗 chronomex woop woop woop off-topic siren
05:48 🔗 Coderjoe ersi: yeah? these are usually in my pocket: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/71339106/in_pocket.jpg
05:49 🔗 Coderjoe that's right, I carry 76.5GB around in my pocket, not counting my cell phone
05:51 🔗 SketchCow Just blew more mobileme in.
05:55 🔗 godane before there was video and mp3 it may have been hard to think you could fill 15mb hard drive
05:56 🔗 godane most people only could do word processing or use ms paint to really file the 15mb drvie
05:56 🔗 godane *drive
05:57 🔗 Coderjoe actually, the first hard drive I had was a 10MB one that was factory-mounted onto the ISA controller card.
05:57 🔗 chronomex Awwwyeah
05:58 🔗 Coderjoe which was put into the family AT&T PC6300 (an 8086 with 640KB of ram and two 360KB floppy drives)
06:00 🔗 omf_ I had an IBM XT with a 20mb ISA slot hard drive
06:00 🔗 omf_ and it still boots and works today
06:00 🔗 omf_ now I do feel old :(
06:00 🔗 SketchCow -bs
06:01 🔗 SketchCow With the end of the mobileme run, we'll have no archiveteam download projects going.
06:01 🔗 SketchCow I mean, I'm glad, but are we missing anything?
06:01 🔗 omf_ SketchCow, You had a question for me earlier on the linux isos I am backing up
06:01 🔗 SketchCow I think it was asking if you are scanning the cds and the labels
06:01 🔗 shaqfu SketchCow: Fileplanet's finishing up, esp. since they're cracking down on us
06:02 🔗 shaqfu But nothing that needs concentrated effort
06:02 🔗 SketchCow Oh, fileplanet.
06:02 🔗 SketchCow So are we going to miss a large percentage?
06:02 🔗 shaqfu I don't think so
06:03 🔗 shaqfu Searching for off-the-list stuff comes up with a few stragglers, but nothing big
06:03 🔗 omf_ shaqfu, how many were missing from that chuck of 5k urls you fixed?
06:03 🔗 shaqfu We probably got 95%+
06:03 🔗 shaqfu omf_: Only 500 URLs, and not many
06:04 🔗 omf_ that is good
06:04 🔗 shaqfu It's kinda funny; that's the second time they tried stopping us from wget'ing, and the second time it was fixed in 15 minutes
06:04 🔗 godane add episodes 73 and 74 of dl.tv
06:04 🔗 omf_ SketchCow, for the disks I have I plan to scan the disk cover, cd case cover and back and the insert if they have it
06:08 🔗 omf_ does anyone have an estimate of the total size of fileplanet?
06:08 🔗 SketchCow omf_: Thanks
06:09 🔗 omf_ I assume you also want all the isos I have that don't have that stuff as well. I did some searching and I can find that stuff around to add later
06:09 🔗 shaqfu omf_: You'd have to sum the list on the wiki
06:09 🔗 omf_ I will do that shaqfu
06:10 🔗 shaqfu 5TB sticks out in my mind, but dunno if that's accurate
06:31 🔗 SketchCow OK, I appear to have found hundreds of gigabytes, maybe terabytes, of Yahoo Video.
06:31 🔗 SketchCow So that's going up shortly.
06:40 🔗 omf_ SketchCow, I created an a.o account. I assume I cannot create a collection to put these disks in?
06:41 🔗 Coderjoe correct. collection creation needs administrative action
06:41 🔗 godane will you guys have problems with me uploading x-play?
06:42 🔗 SketchCow Look, just keep uploading.
06:42 🔗 godane i have maybe full 2011 year of shows
06:42 🔗 godane ok
06:42 🔗 SketchCow I wish you would upload individual shows as individual items.
06:42 🔗 SketchCow I may break apart some of your items in the future.
06:42 🔗 godane i am with isos and dl.tv
06:42 🔗 godane and crankygeeks
06:43 🔗 godane the screen savers i did that why so i didn't go insane uploading one episode at a time
06:43 🔗 Coderjoe Famicoman as well
06:43 🔗 chronomex godane: you can use s3 to script it :)
06:43 🔗 godane i don't know how
06:44 🔗 godane also stuff like dl.tv has a lot of info i want to add
06:44 🔗 godane like links to stories
06:45 🔗 Coderjoe yeah, header length limits kinda makes it painful for long descriptions
06:45 🔗 chronomex metadata.xml !
06:46 🔗 godane also when i uploaded stuff like gbtv put up like 5 episodes so i can walk away from it for like 5 hours
06:46 🔗 godane http://archive.org/details/GBTV_09_12__16_2011
06:46 🔗 SketchCow Do you use unix?
06:46 🔗 godane i did this cause other glenn beck stuff is in month packs
06:47 🔗 godane yes
06:47 🔗 godane custom linux
06:47 🔗 SketchCow You should really be using s3.
06:47 🔗 Coderjoe i have a python script I used to upload the stage6 content using the s3api
06:48 🔗 SketchCow And I use bash.
06:48 🔗 SketchCow I should do a round of making my scripts more obvious.
06:48 🔗 Coderjoe (which was mainly because I was pulling in info from mysql for the metadata. it just called out to curl to do the work)
06:48 🔗 godane with dl.tv its special
06:49 🔗 godane like i want time length and all the info and links with keyboards of who is the host and guests in that episode
06:49 🔗 godane and that can change a lot
06:52 🔗 Coderjoe so you can put that info in a text file alongside the show media file and have the script read the info from the file
06:53 🔗 godane where is the s3 code?
06:53 🔗 godane i don't even know where it is
06:54 🔗 godane thats my main reason for not using it
06:54 🔗 Coderjoe http://archive.org/help/abouts3.txt
06:58 🔗 SketchCow I have scripts, you should use them
06:58 🔗 SketchCow I'll do a round of revision.
07:02 🔗 godane i found this: https://github.com/kngenie/ias3upload
07:05 🔗 omf_ godane, that script almost made me blind
07:08 🔗 Nemo_bis in just 2 min
07:08 🔗 godane i agree
07:09 🔗 Nemo_bis is it the same as https://wiki.archive.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IAS3BulkUploader ?
07:10 🔗 SketchCow So, how many times do I have to say that I have written scripts I use internally to upload tens of thousands of items?
07:10 🔗 SketchCow I mean, I guess I can make the atlogbot do it
07:10 🔗 Nemo_bis SketchCow, it's not a bad idea
07:11 🔗 Nemo_bis this guy has some such IRC bots: https://github.com/mzmcbride
07:11 🔗 omf_ SketchCow, where can I get your scripts from
07:12 🔗 godane i can't download from wiki.archive.org
07:15 🔗 SketchCow I need to do a round of revision.
07:35 🔗 godane i'm looking at the ias3upload scripts
07:36 🔗 godane i'm starting to not like s3 cause its going to cause a headache for me
07:36 🔗 SketchCow Goddamnit.
07:36 🔗 SketchCow Why are you so productive, and still a dope.
07:37 🔗 SketchCow I've been up for 18 hours now, so I'll deal with things tomorrow.
07:37 🔗 godane sorry
07:37 🔗 godane i just thing i will screw things up
07:37 🔗 godane *think
07:37 🔗 Nemo_bis nah, it's very easy
07:38 🔗 chronomex plus, you can always start over
07:38 🔗 godane i still don't see how to do it
07:38 🔗 Nemo_bis very little room for mistakes
07:38 🔗 Nemo_bis you only have to edit the csv with essential metadata and run the script
07:38 🔗 godane i do ids like dltv_$num_episode
07:39 🔗 godane also will i have to add a new id for each one
07:41 🔗 chronomex that is not complicated
07:41 🔗 godane also you can blame the autium i have
07:42 🔗 godane i sometimes understand stuff in very different way
07:46 🔗 ersi even if you are a dope sometimes, you're doing things. doing things matter more
07:46 🔗 ersi like you grabbing all those shows and stuff, it's all ok
07:46 🔗 * ersi pats godane
07:47 🔗 godane i'm also getting all 3d world iso i can find
07:47 🔗 omf_ yeah production matters more than anything
07:47 🔗 omf_ hell I am about to do my first upload and I am floundering around a little bit
07:47 🔗 godane thats out of normal for me as far as archiving
07:48 🔗 godane my first upload was a floss weekly episode 80 video
07:49 🔗 godane http://archive.org/details/FlossWeekly80_ScummVM_live
07:49 🔗 godane the video was the live stream cap
07:49 🔗 godane not the episode video
07:50 🔗 godane funny
07:51 🔗 godane google search of floss weekly 80 video cames up with my archive.org one
08:12 🔗 BlueMax So what is the next AT project? Want me to put up a website and threaten to take it down? :P
08:13 🔗 Nemo_bis with TBs of 000000000000
08:14 🔗 BlueMax We could work on getting archivial methods for other, more popular websites if their d-days ever come
08:14 🔗 omf_ we could work on a way of discovering sites that are closing so we can look into if they need backups
08:15 🔗 omf_ isn't one of the big problems not finding before a site shuts down?
08:16 🔗 chronomex correct
08:16 🔗 godane i some how don't know how to use .csv
08:20 🔗 omf_ BlueMax, any sites in specific?
08:20 🔗 BlueMax omf_, I was thinking social aggregation sites, like Digg or Reddit
08:21 🔗 ersi I'm working on my own Wayback Machine sort of
08:22 🔗 ersi BlueMax: Sounds like something for URLteam imo (I think aggregation sites like those are ultimately urlshorteners with possible extra metadata(comments+comment scores))
08:22 🔗 BlueMax ersi I see your point
08:23 🔗 omf_ I already backup sections of reddit
08:23 🔗 omf_ some subreddits I have all the way to their beginning
08:23 🔗 ersi neat
08:23 🔗 omf_ I am trying to get some back data from them as well
08:23 🔗 omf_ I use it as a source to find things for nlp. This is what drove me to AT because of the fanfiction.net proces
08:23 🔗 omf_ where else can I find literature to work with
08:25 🔗 omf_ what about flickr?
08:25 🔗 omf_ when yahoo closed 'yahoo photos' there was 250 million accounts
08:25 🔗 ersi got #flickrfckr + project
08:25 🔗 ersi it's a bit idle, but there's scripts and stuff AFAIK
08:27 🔗 omf_ Myself as well as others already download the wikia backups, stackoverflow backups, wikipedia backups, etc...
08:28 🔗 omf_ what about fotopedia.com?
08:29 🔗 ersi if any project interests you, feel free to hax on it :) I have never heard of fotopedia.com myself
08:29 🔗 omf_ if anyone wants to snag http://www.sfseriesandmovies.com I would really appreciate it. My internet is only 8megabits down at the best and I am trying to get this linux iso archive built
08:29 🔗 omf_ they have some great production photos
08:37 🔗 Coderjoe i've got some walnut creek slackware cds out in storage. only the cds, though. none of the printed docs.
08:37 🔗 omf_ Coderjoe, awesome
08:38 🔗 Coderjoe slack was my first distro
08:38 🔗 omf_ same here
08:38 🔗 omf_ I got an old 4 cd set with slack, sls, debian and others
08:40 🔗 Coderjoe i downloaded slack disks off a local bbs whose sysop was kind enough to download them at school and put them on a filebase on his bbs
08:41 🔗 Coderjoe however, i don't think it was the first unixy system i ever used
08:42 🔗 Coderjoe that would go to a sysvr4 system i dialed into, which only had uucp email at that point.
08:42 🔗 Coderjoe woopwoopwoop
08:56 🔗 Schbirid http://www.ballyalley.com/
08:58 🔗 omf_ Schbirid, cool site. should we back it up
08:58 🔗 Schbirid no idea, just randomly got on it
09:01 🔗 godane i can get s3 working in bash
09:01 🔗 godane :-D
09:02 🔗 Schbirid yes, isnt it awesome?
09:02 🔗 godane how do you tell curl to give output on how much its uploading?
09:02 🔗 godane like speed and stuff
09:03 🔗 chronomex curl '-#'
09:05 🔗 godane i'm only doing one for now
09:05 🔗 godane but this may work better with my isos anyway
09:06 🔗 godane dl.tv needs a lot more info
09:10 🔗 Coderjoe or -o output.txt
09:12 🔗 Coderjoe there will be no output unless there is an error, but curl defaults to outputting the retrieved data on stdout. adding the -o will cause it to write that to a file and output the upload/download stats instead
09:15 🔗 godane this item is not found: http://archive.org/details/dltv_076_episode
09:15 🔗 godane thought it would have checked it in
09:15 🔗 Coderjoe is the upload finished?
09:15 🔗 godane yes
09:15 🔗 Coderjoe though the item should have been created not too long after starting
09:16 🔗 Coderjoe did curl report an error?
09:16 🔗 godane no
09:16 🔗 godane http://archive.org/catalog.php?history=1&identifier=dltv_076_episode
09:16 🔗 Coderjoe oh, be patient
09:17 🔗 Coderjoe there appears to be a bit of a backlog going on
09:21 🔗 Schbirid http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/06/minitel-frances-precursor-to-the-web-to-go-dark-on-june-30/ !
09:26 🔗 C-Keen hi there
09:27 🔗 Schbirid hello commander
09:29 🔗 Coderjoe Schbirid: btw, that link was already mentioned: #archiveteam.log:2012-06-28 21:41:03EDT by BlueMax
09:29 🔗 Schbirid ah ok
09:29 🔗 C-Keen is there a reason why the archiveteam warrior is not linked from the wiki's software page?
09:30 🔗 Coderjoe and sadly, I don't think there is anything that we can do about archiving it
09:31 🔗 Schbirid C-Keen: the wiki is a bit neglected
09:32 🔗 Coderjoe the wiki was moved awhile back and some boxes of connective parts is still elsewhere
09:32 🔗 Coderjoe :D
09:32 🔗 godane what did i do wrong now: http://www.us.archive.org/log_show.php?task_id=110806334
09:33 🔗 godane please free this up so i just do it the ftp way
09:34 🔗 godane Warning: fileperms(): stat failed for /13/items/dltv_076_episode in /usr/local/petabox/www/common/Util.inc on line 651
09:34 🔗 godane Unknown err: file_get_contents(http://archive.org/services/find_file.php?file=dltv_076_episode&loconly=1): failed to open stream: HTTP request failed! [/usr/local/petabox/www/common/ItemTools.inc:28]
09:35 🔗 godane ok so the item id is in use
09:35 🔗 Coderjoe I can't do anything to fix it. I really have any admin powers at IA. that error makes me think there might have been a hiccup in the system. There appear to be some nodes that are marked read-only, and I don't know if that affected this
09:36 🔗 godane this is why i going back to ftp
09:37 🔗 Coderjoe can you PM me the curl command you used (replacing your s3 key info)
09:37 🔗 Coderjoe there doesn't appear to be an item with that identifier, other than your attempted upload
09:39 🔗 godane i tryed creating dltv_076_episode
09:39 🔗 godane it said: Desired identifier "dltv_076_episode" not available. Please try another identifier.
09:39 🔗 godane so it must have been used
09:40 🔗 Coderjoe you created it
09:41 🔗 Coderjoe once you've done the amz-create-bucket request, you can't create it again. you can upload files to an existing bucket, or (using another header flag) tell it to discard the old metadata so you can respecify it
09:44 🔗 Coderjoe that command looks correct, for the initial creation of an item anyway, as long as all of your variables are filled in
09:44 🔗 Coderjoe but you're not going to be able to do anything with that identifier until an admin fixes it
09:49 🔗 godane ok
09:51 🔗 godane moving on to episode 77 for now
09:51 🔗 godane will use ftp from here on out
09:52 🔗 godane you said its simple and thing it acts like that i just can't trust s3 now
09:53 🔗 Coderjoe and what will you do when proftpd craps itself?
09:53 🔗 godane cry
09:54 🔗 godane i'm just hoping its just my stupid script at this point
09:54 🔗 Coderjoe seriosly, SketchCow has uploaded tens of thousands of items. I've uploaded around 5000 items.
09:55 🔗 Coderjoe the seesaw-s3 script that was available to high-throughput memac contributors has uploaded a lot of items
09:55 🔗 godane i just think there is some vodo code that i didn't add to my script
09:59 🔗 godane it looks like the dltv_076_episode folder was never made
13:25 🔗 Hydriz godane: Fixed (again): http://archive.org/details/dltv_076_episode
13:25 🔗 Hydriz Why am I fixing other people's stuff lol...
13:30 🔗 omf_ Are these sites http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Fire_Drill also proactively backed up or is this just a monitor list?
13:32 🔗 omf_ I know a few of them have been backed up
15:25 🔗 omf_ Is there like an 'overlord' for the wiki or do we just fix as needed?
15:26 🔗 soultcer omf_, it's a wiki so everyone can fix things ;-)
15:33 🔗 * SketchCow is now pasting in BBC monograph descriptions.
15:46 🔗 nitro2k01 "Unfortunately, the time has come to say goodbye to Yahoo! Groups Labs Applications (beta) and Groups Chat. We thank all the users that were a part
15:47 🔗 nitro2k01 of this program. We intend to use this learning to enhance Yahoo! Groups further with new features.
15:47 🔗 nitro2k01 On July 04, 2012, we will shut down the Yahoo! Groups Labs Applications (beta) and Groups Chat. We request you to backup any data that you might have
15:47 🔗 nitro2k01 created using the applications."
15:48 🔗 balrog- what, 5 days of notice!?
15:49 🔗 SketchCow Do we have any URLs for these things?
15:53 🔗 nitro2k01 It's probably mostly private data (only for members of groups) but I don't know
15:54 🔗 SketchCow Take a look around, if you could.
15:54 🔗 nitro2k01 Sure
15:54 🔗 SketchCow I agree, it's likely not public, but we can see.
15:56 🔗 nitro2k01 Applications are stuff like address book, birthdays, favorites etc. that can be enabled by the group owner
15:56 🔗 nitro2k01 Chat, I can't find in the UI
16:08 🔗 omf_ ooh I think I found something. It is a hosting company's userpages which is like a mini-geocities. It has 50 different sites that all appear to be from the 1990s
16:08 🔗 omf_ I am totally geeking out
16:10 🔗 omf_ time to download all of it
16:14 🔗 Schbirid netlabels are so volatile :(
16:15 🔗 omf_ the wiki just cried out:
16:15 🔗 omf_ Fatal error: Call to undefined method Article::getSection() in /home/archivet/public_html/extensions/recaptcha/ConfirmEdit.php on line 620
16:17 🔗 Schbirid yeah, you cant edit sections, only the whole page (or you will get that bug)
16:17 🔗 omf_ aah
16:18 🔗 SketchCow Bug I need to fix.
16:18 🔗 SketchCow The new wiki is very secure on the backend (we've had no spam hacks, you've seen), but it makes it somewhat pain in the ass to fix things.
16:20 🔗 omf_ secure is good
16:21 🔗 balrog- I've seen a lot of spam users on http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges but I don't think those are spam hacks :)
16:23 🔗 SketchCow No, that's because they're defeating captcha.
16:24 🔗 balrog- What captcha system is in use?
16:42 🔗 SmileyG hmmm how many new users per day say, does the wiki get?
17:09 🔗 SketchCow Just got off the phone with a CNET reporter, we'll make an appearance in the MobileMe shutdown story.
17:09 🔗 SketchCow http://archive.org/details/bbc-rd-reports-1996-13
17:10 🔗 SketchCow I have 1000 of these to describe.
17:12 🔗 DFJustin hahaha 1,337 items
17:50 🔗 underscor SketchCow: We should have a game-ified "describe this item" interface
17:50 🔗 underscor with trusted users who can "verify" descriptions too
17:50 🔗 underscor (like, get 20 descs approved, gain the ability to approve others' descriptions)
17:50 🔗 underscor then various IA teams could just dump things into the "pool"
17:52 🔗 underscor ugh
17:52 🔗 underscor <godane> this is why i going back to ftp
17:52 🔗 underscor FTP would have broken WORSE in that situation
17:52 🔗 underscor It happened because an exhaust fan over one of the server racks got shut off
17:52 🔗 underscor (breaker tripped)
17:53 🔗 underscor so that rack got excessively hot, and was triggered for auto OFFLINE and poweroff by nagios
17:53 🔗 underscor And it just caused a few locator requests to fail because catalogd was in a state of limbo
18:21 🔗 DFJustin that's a good idea
18:23 🔗 DFJustin personally I think all the IA item metadata should work like say musicbrainz where anybody can edit and empowered users approve but that's probably a harder sell
18:24 🔗 DFJustin because the guy who is most knowledgeable about item x and cares the most about fixing it is probably gonna be some guy who finds the page on google and not one of us
18:34 🔗 shaqfu Seems fruitful, although I dunno of any large-scale crowd description efforts
18:34 🔗 shaqfu usually orgs use the public as a free MTurk
18:35 🔗 shaqfu But it's worth trying; dunno of any other sane way to describe IA
18:36 🔗 Aranje As long as the whole thing has a viewable history and rollback (just in case) I don't see any reason why that isn't a fantastic idea
18:48 🔗 shaqfu How much are we looking to raise off Kickstarter for drives?
18:59 🔗 SketchCow http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/3642
19:00 🔗 SketchCow Personally? I'd like to see us get to $100k
19:01 🔗 shaqfu How much space does that get?
19:02 🔗 yipdw SketchCow: a tour of IA would be a neat perk, I think, though I don't know how that works out with travel costs (and whether IA gives tours anyway)
19:07 🔗 Aranje for a 100k$ donation I think they could arrange a tour
19:07 🔗 shaqfu underscor: Speaking of archive-by-fans, Grateful Dead went up today
19:08 🔗 Aranje Speaking of archiving, I met some cousin of my best friend yesterday and she's /teaching/ digital archivism at whatever her college is
19:08 🔗 shaqfu Aranje: Which city?
19:08 🔗 Aranje I have no fucking idea
19:08 🔗 Aranje I told her to find archiveteam and drop in here sometime
19:10 🔗 SketchCow http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Kickstarter_Prizes
19:11 🔗 shaqfu The basic prize should be something like "get your name on a special list of contributors to IA for all eternity"
19:27 🔗 Famicoman IA has swag? where can I purchase all of it
19:37 🔗 chronomex hmmmm makerbotted things
19:37 🔗 chronomex speaking as someone who's operated a makerbot, don't commit to making too many items
19:38 🔗 shaqfu High rate of failure?
19:39 🔗 chronomex slow, pain in ass.
19:42 🔗 DFJustin it seems a little more realistic than the device itself because it's so expensive
19:42 🔗 DFJustin unless you raffled it or something
19:43 🔗 shaqfu Not sure if raffle tickets make good KS prizes
19:43 🔗 shaqfu Unless it's part of something else
19:44 🔗 chronomex selling raffle tickets for anything other than a registered non-profit entity is a felony in some states
19:44 🔗 chronomex just fyi
19:46 🔗 shaqfu We could do what unis like to do and sell naming rights :P
19:47 🔗 chronomex "URL Shortener Archiving Subcommittee Brought To You By Some Internet Guy"?
19:47 🔗 shaqfu "The Joe Smith <dead site> Collection"
19:48 🔗 shaqfu For the low low price of $100k
19:51 🔗 closure_ perhaps obvious, but I'd suggest curated collections of interesting archives. All of textfiles.com (well SketchCow used that as a KS reward before), the curated/cleaned up geocities archive from the 1tb blog, etc
19:52 🔗 closure_ data that's on archive.org, but you add value by putting the collection together, and putting it on media
19:56 🔗 chronomex hmmmm, yeah
19:58 🔗 closure_ archiveteam warrior on a bootable cd would also perhaps work as a $25 or so reward
20:00 🔗 closure_ and also on a bootable udb key
20:01 🔗 chronomex good thinking
20:02 🔗 chronomex 'd have to modify it to use tmpfs for storage, but that shouldn't be hard
20:02 🔗 closure_ you can get a 4 gb Really Nice usb key for around $5 in bulk
20:03 🔗 closure_ with printing
20:04 🔗 closure_ oh and put an autorun virtualbox on it too :)
20:04 🔗 Nemo_bis looks more like malicious software :p
20:05 🔗 Nemo_bis "oh, what a nice collection of websites here! Hey, wait, what happened to my internet connection?"
20:23 🔗 underscor Aranje: We don't have a great rollback system atm
20:24 🔗 underscor and there's probably not enough manpower to do code it up
20:24 🔗 underscor yipdw: We give tours every friday
20:24 🔗 underscor Free lunch and tours and meet and greet
20:24 🔗 underscor as long as you're willing to sign the guestbook
20:24 🔗 underscor :D
20:25 🔗 Nemo_bis where is more info btw?
20:30 🔗 underscor about?
20:35 🔗 chronomex about visiting, I suppose
20:39 🔗 soultcer I would gladly trade a HDD against some Internet Archive or Archiveteam swag like a T-shirt
20:45 🔗 chronomex anyone have a dropbox referral link they want me to use? not paying for an account just yet, fwiw.
20:54 🔗 Famicoman http://db.tt/4sH91ZXl
20:54 🔗 Famicoman only 10 minutes late
20:54 🔗 SmileyG_ Famicoman: say his name at least
20:55 🔗 * Famicoman summons chronomex
20:55 🔗 chronomex Famicoman: too late, someone else beat you to it in another channel
20:58 🔗 underscor we were semiseriously thinking about a prize being an old HD signed by the board/brewster
20:58 🔗 underscor Because we have stacks of 250-750GB drives that just sit and do nothing
20:58 🔗 soultcer Dead drives or just old drives?
21:01 🔗 underscor just old
21:01 🔗 soultcer Put them on Ebay?
21:01 🔗 underscor left over from 500/750GB -> 1TB -> 2TB -> 3TB migrations
21:01 🔗 chronomex why would any sane person buy used hard drives
21:01 🔗 underscor ^
21:02 🔗 underscor especially ones abused by us
21:02 🔗 chronomex it's like buying expired food
21:02 🔗 underscor 24/7 high bandwidth access
21:02 🔗 soultcer No idea, but there are actually many people selling/buying old hdds
21:02 🔗 chronomex all the buyers are idiots
21:02 🔗 chronomex all the sellers have the right idea
21:02 🔗 underscor there are also people who buy and sell used schoolgirl socks on ebay. doesn't mean the buyers are sane
21:03 🔗 underscor http://www.ebay.com/itm/Well-Worn-Used-Japanese-School-Girl-LOOSE-SLOUCH-SOCKS-from-JAPAN-/170865965537?pt=US_Womens_Socks&hash=item27c867b9e1#ht_8775wt_1398
21:03 🔗 underscor Why the hell would you pay $50 for a pair of socks?!?!?!??!?!
21:03 🔗 soultcer Actually it's not just Japanese schoolgirls, but all kinds of socks
21:03 🔗 soultcer You have to sell them as "clean, washed before sent" but in reality the dirtier the better
21:04 🔗 chronomex soultcer here is a seasoned buyer of ... seasoned socks
21:04 🔗 underscor ...hahahahahahaa
21:05 🔗 underscor I guess there are people with sock fetishes?
21:05 🔗 chronomex yes
21:05 🔗 chronomex woop woop woop off-topic siren
21:05 🔗 underscor I knew it was coming
21:05 🔗 underscor my wwwots-dar was going off
21:06 🔗 chronomex ...
21:07 🔗 underscor :D
21:21 🔗 godane some fix my item
21:21 🔗 godane http://archive.org/details/dltv_076_episode
21:21 🔗 godane *someone
21:21 🔗 godane *fixed
21:21 🔗 godane :-D
21:22 🔗 chronomex someone named slaxemulator, it seems
21:22 🔗 chronomex http://archive.org/catalog.php?history=1&identifier=dltv_076_episode
21:37 🔗 godane i think i'm uploading dltv 079
21:37 🔗 godane trying s3 again
21:37 🔗 godane but its doing some thing different
21:37 🔗 godane is it normal for there to be task when uploading?
21:37 🔗 godane http://archive.org/catalog.php?history=1&identifier=dltv_079_episode
21:38 🔗 godane i added '-#'
21:38 🔗 godane but getting no output for upload speed
21:46 🔗 chronomex ah, you need to direct the normal output to somewhere else
21:46 🔗 * chronomex digging up example
21:47 🔗 chronomex add also: -o /dev/null
21:50 🔗 godane how do i add runtime info?
21:53 🔗 chronomex ?
21:53 🔗 chronomex I don't think curl has a way to output estimated time
21:54 🔗 godane maybe --progress-bar
21:55 🔗 godane or not
21:59 🔗 godane so can i just add stuff to shareware cds now with s3?
22:00 🔗 godane or do i need specail admin for that?
22:03 🔗 Nemo_bis you need to be collection admin
22:03 🔗 Nemo_bis but it's not important
22:04 🔗 Nemo_bis yes it does esteem time, but use > /dev/null or whatever
22:05 🔗 Nemo_bis (otherwise it's most frustrating, days of upload without knowing how many GBs are left :) )
22:08 🔗 SketchCow The MobileMe article with us making an appearance: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57463921-37/mobileme-a-rare-apple-screwup-finally-bites-the-dust/?tag=mncol;topStories
22:15 🔗 underscor godane: Upload normally, one of us can frob it
22:16 🔗 underscor (me|jason|other IA folx)
22:20 🔗 alard I've been playing with a new version of the warrior VM. So far it seems to be 100MB larger than the previous one (350MB instead of 250MB). I'm not sure if that's a problem. Preseed configuration files are here, https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/warrior-preseed, if anyone wants to see if it can be made smaller.
22:20 🔗 DFJustin I noticed this in the keynote too, tripod hasn't actually been shut down
22:21 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, I keep doing that.
22:21 🔗 SketchCow alard: What's causing the larger size?
22:21 🔗 ersi lots of manjuice included
22:21 🔗 ersi >_> <_<
22:22 🔗 ersi i mean, Archiveteam-juice
22:22 🔗 alard SketchCow: Not sure. It may be because it includes a few extra packages, more of Python, for instance. It may also be because I optimized the previous one better.
22:23 🔗 alard It's surprisingly hard to tell the debian installer that it shouldn't install certain packages. You have to remove them afterwards, it seems.
22:23 🔗 DFJustin have you run one of those tools that zeroes out unused sectors and re-compacts expandable vm images
22:24 🔗 alard I did that on the first one, manually, and have included it in the preseed file: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/warrior-preseed/blob/master/warrior-preseed.cfg#L758-760
22:24 🔗 chronomex it's fairly simple: in the vm: dd if=/dev/zero of=bigfile ; rm bigfile outside the vm, use dd to sparsify it
22:24 🔗 chronomex I didn't know there was things to do it on a vm image specifically though
22:25 🔗 SketchCow What are the new features/changes between old warrior and new warrior?
22:25 🔗 alard And then there is the VBoxManage --compact option: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/warrior-preseed/blob/master/pack-vm.sh#L6-7
22:25 🔗 DFJustin well VMs use image formats with headers as to which sectors actually have stuff in them, so you need a tool that groks that format if you want to distribute the image in that sparse form
22:26 🔗 alard The new warrior (isn't ready yet) comes with Lua and Python. The big change is that it will have a web interface.
22:26 🔗 DFJustin but anyway the answer seems to be "yes" :)
22:26 🔗 alard https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/seesaw-kit
22:28 🔗 alard The web interface will contact the warrior HQ, lets you pick a project to work on, shows stats and configuration options. I want to add a 'let ArchiveTeam choose a project' option, so you can leave your warrior running for a longer time.
22:28 🔗 SketchCow All sounds good.
22:29 🔗 SketchCow Ironically, we're out of projects tomorrow.
22:30 🔗 yipdw I guess a preemptive backup of Flickr might be fun
22:33 🔗 alard We can prepare for the next project. Get the shared tracker set up somewhere, for instance.
22:33 🔗 yipdw "They probably will make it available for something like $10/GB and apple gets 33% of the cut. I am sure they didn't do this out of the kindness of their hearts. Unless they are in it for the potential homemade porn."
22:34 🔗 yipdw oh macrumors users
22:34 🔗 SketchCow The Macrumors post!
22:34 🔗 SketchCow I love that guy!
22:34 🔗 shaqfu yipdw: Is that in reference to memac?
22:34 🔗 yipdw shaqfu: yes
22:34 🔗 shaqfu Hahaha
22:34 🔗 DFJustin I dunno about you guys but I'm sure as hell in it for the homemade porn
22:34 🔗 yipdw I've archived that thread
22:35 🔗 underscor DFJustin: same
22:35 🔗 shaqfu memac-on-geocities.avi
22:36 🔗 yipdw I like how all of these comments on the macrumors threads are like "BUT I DIDN'T MEAN FOR THIS TO HAPPEN"
22:37 🔗 yipdw re: Public folder
22:38 🔗 DFJustin SketchCow: there's some (admittedly non-tracker) last-minute stuff going on in #fireplanet
22:39 🔗 Schbirid nothing to panic about imo
22:39 🔗 SketchCow Right, we have others, too, but I just was wondering if we had any other focused tasks.
22:39 🔗 yipdw http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/lost-in-the-shuffle-mobileme-galleries/13109
22:47 🔗 chronomex 15:33:29 <@alard> We can prepare for the next project. Get the shared tracker set up somewhere, for instance.
22:47 🔗 chronomex alard: I'll buy a linode and let you play with it, how's that sound
22:48 🔗 frame_at man, I love the archiveteam-warrior vm
22:50 🔗 primus104 me too :-) it's awesome
22:51 🔗 godane SketchCow: I'm not a dope cause i can use s3 now
22:52 🔗 godane still trying figure out how to get download speeds out put
22:53 🔗 alard chronomex: That might be fun, though the tracker could also piggyback somewhere. It doesn't use a lot of resources. (It just eats a lot of memory, as you've seen. :)
22:53 🔗 chronomex is 512M ram enough?
22:53 🔗 alard Certainly.
22:54 🔗 chronomex ok
22:55 🔗 chronomex tokyo, london, new jersey, georgia, texas, california
22:55 🔗 SketchCow http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/the-well-a-pioneering-online-community-is-for-sale-again/
22:55 🔗 SketchCow Could someone look at that?
22:55 🔗 chronomex alard: have a preference?
22:55 🔗 alard No, I don't.
22:56 🔗 alard (Perhaps tokyo is far off from most people.)
22:56 🔗 SketchCow London.
22:56 🔗 SketchCow Do London.
22:56 🔗 chronomex ok
22:56 🔗 chronomex why, close to .eu?
22:56 🔗 SketchCow Far from .us without being too far
22:56 🔗 chronomex ok
22:57 🔗 SketchCow And our amazing devs are mostly eu right now
22:57 🔗 chronomex distro?
22:57 🔗 alard Debian?
22:57 🔗 chronomex k
22:58 🔗 chronomex hostname?
22:59 🔗 alard SketchCow? (Not as the hostname.)
22:59 🔗 chronomex hahaha
22:59 🔗 yipdw panopticon.archiveteam.org
23:00 🔗 chronomex too late, I named it 'shilling'
23:00 🔗 yipdw I guess that gives you a natural upgrade path
23:01 🔗 chronomex I name my hosts after currencies
23:01 🔗 godane SketchCow: where is your code for s3?
23:01 🔗 yipdw "dollar is being stretched too thin"
23:04 🔗 shaqfu Hm, is it still possible to register for The Well?
23:04 🔗 shaqfu If it's at-risk, we could get an account, share it, and start archiving
23:05 🔗 shaqfu Oh, only $10 to join
23:05 🔗 Famicoman we should do a kickstarter to buy it
23:28 🔗 godane i'm almost done with my 2nd dvd dl of dl.tv
23:28 🔗 godane uploading episode 84
23:31 🔗 arkhive http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18610692 Minitel is shutting down.
23:32 🔗 shaqfu Is there anything we can do about it?
23:33 🔗 chronomex I'm pretty sure the answer is "no, unless we've got someone in france"
23:34 🔗 shaqfu A shame - we have the resources on hand for a four-alarm save right now
23:35 🔗 godane what is a 5-alarm save then?
23:35 🔗 godane break in and clone hard drives?
23:35 🔗 arkhive heh
23:36 🔗 godane dumpster dive?
23:36 🔗 godane if there not just fully destoryed
23:36 🔗 shaqfu Gain access to the machines and do everything to keep them on
23:36 🔗 shaqfu While someone else chains themselves to the servers
23:37 🔗 godane using rabbit ears wifi to keep the internet connected
23:38 🔗 SketchCow OK, I think fanfiction is now, I think, pretty much compiled.
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