#archiveteam 2012-09-24,Mon

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00:05 🔗 SketchCow 101G .
00:05 🔗 SketchCow root@teamarchive-1:/1/THINGYVERSE# du -sh .
00:06 🔗 SketchCow Thingiverse backup is now up to 101g
00:06 🔗 SketchCow At 24k out of 35k objects
00:14 🔗 SketchCow Going to shove the Tumblr test into the archive
00:24 🔗 SketchCow TUMBLR/tumblr-addictedtocock.tumblr.com-20120810-062721.warc.gz
00:24 🔗 SketchCow SAVED FOREVEER
00:24 🔗 SketchCow EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
00:25 🔗 SketchCow Long after we're dead, the next species to claw to the top finds it
00:25 🔗 SketchCow thank you, archiveteam
00:25 🔗 chronomex hoorayyyy
00:30 🔗 SketchCow TUMBLR/tumblr-becauseimavampire.tumblr.com-20120813-222701.warc.gz
00:30 🔗 Nintendud hah
00:32 🔗 underscor not as strange as http://thedogknot.tumblr.com/
00:33 🔗 underscor (nsfw)
00:33 🔗 mistym That one blog gives the future everything they need to know about the 2010s.
00:33 🔗 mistym (becauseimavampire that is)
00:33 🔗 underscor hahah
00:36 🔗 SketchCow mistym: I'm going to buy two cameras for the scanner, and not use the MKIIs.
00:37 🔗 mistym SketchCow: What changed your mind?
00:52 🔗 SketchCow Wear and tear on $4000 cameras meant for documentaries.
00:54 🔗 mistym V. good point
01:03 🔗 dragondon ersi: did you really just ask my what is wrong with leaving a program running that is doig nothing but chewing up memory and occasional bandwidth, is inefficient? :)
01:31 🔗 SketchCow TUMBLR/tumblr-8inchthickness.tumblr.com-20120810-065948.warc.gz
01:31 🔗 SketchCow Tumblr.... the elite
01:37 🔗 underscor hot
02:32 🔗 ersi dragondon: It's not 1990 man.
02:52 🔗 dragondon ersi: what has that got to do with efficiency?
02:59 🔗 ersi dragondon: Nevermind man, nevermind. Geez.
04:37 🔗 SketchCow Fist fight
04:37 🔗 SketchCow I want it
04:38 🔗 * SketchCow breaks pool cue in half
04:38 🔗 SketchCow make it quick
04:38 🔗 ersi Na na na na, capt' stabby
04:38 🔗 ersi stabby stabby stab
04:38 🔗 SketchCow http://www.theverge.com/gaming/2012/7/26/3181188/debunked-the-strange-ride-of-millionaire-game-developer-bunky-bartlett
04:38 🔗 ersi http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/Mr+Stabby/
04:42 🔗 SketchCow I didn't know there were 4 Mr. Stabby cartoons, so kudos for that
04:42 🔗 ersi Well, now you know.
04:43 🔗 ersi THIS MESSAGE WAS BROUGHT TO YOU BY; THE MORE YOU KNOW!
04:47 🔗 SketchCow http://archive.org/details/archiveteam-tumblr-test
04:49 🔗 BlueMax D, F, L and T are surprisingly bigger than the other letters
04:49 🔗 BlueMax I wonder why that is
05:02 🔗 chronomex DeFauLT
05:38 🔗 underscor dicks
05:38 🔗 underscor fuck
05:38 🔗 underscor uh
05:38 🔗 underscor lesbians and trannies?
05:38 🔗 underscor there we go
05:39 🔗 underscor actually, there probably are a lot of reddits that start with those words
05:39 🔗 underscor s/reddits/tumblrs/
07:12 🔗 amerrykan what's the best way to get ahold of a functional 5 1/4" floppy drive these days
07:12 🔗 amerrykan testing my eBay luck?
07:13 🔗 ersi probably, or poking companies and asking if they got legacy crap laying about in storage
07:13 🔗 amerrykan is that really a thing people do?
07:14 🔗 amerrykan just walk in the front door and ask if anyone has floppy drives i can take
07:15 🔗 ersi Sure, or ask your friends if they have parents/friends in office jobs - and get them to ask the IT
07:15 🔗 ersi It's free cleaning service, ma!
07:15 🔗 ersi man*
07:15 🔗 amerrykan :)
07:15 🔗 amerrykan what's the best method for connecting one of these things to a modern PC?
07:15 🔗 ersi I've helped clean out atleast two IT storages, we got to take whatever we wanted besides hard drives. Uh.. well, probably USB <> IDE dongle?
07:15 🔗 amerrykan or should i just piece and parts together a machine that still had a floppy header on the mobo?
07:16 🔗 ersi Always good to have a legacy machine around :)
07:16 🔗 amerrykan i'm learning this slowly
07:17 🔗 amerrykan thanks for the help!
07:17 🔗 ersi you're very welcome
07:17 🔗 amerrykan i just successfully rescued my Kings Quest 5 floppies with a USB 3 1/2" drive I got at a thrift store this afternoon
07:17 🔗 amerrykan and a whole world just opened up to me
11:12 🔗 godane i'm backing up gbtv episodes
11:12 🔗 godane or theblaze tv episodes
13:54 🔗 godane you going to be getting some wikimedia images in my underground gamer external image dump
17:23 🔗 SketchCow We really have to seriously think of the reddits.
17:23 🔗 SketchCow You know, after other stuff.
17:24 🔗 ersi You know, after the nothing stuff etc
17:33 🔗 SketchCow Right.
17:36 🔗 Wopski ok
18:05 🔗 Wopski !List
18:07 🔗 godane i think we can use -np option of wget for reddit
18:07 🔗 godane only cause i think all urls in a topic is a suburl
19:56 🔗 alard godane: Or Wget with a Lua script.
20:25 🔗 SketchCow Whoops, sitesled went under.
20:25 🔗 SketchCow That just took a significant pile of sites.
20:26 🔗 SketchCow amerrykan: The easiest way is to buy through e-bay or through wholesalers.
20:26 🔗 SketchCow Why do you need one - to work with legacy disks and a disk reader?
21:28 🔗 amerrykan SketchCow: turning old PC floppies into images for future use
21:30 🔗 SketchCow http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=teac+fd-55gfr then
21:31 🔗 amerrykan thanks!
21:32 🔗 SketchCow No problem. 55gfrs are the really best ones to have. Try to get new old stock and don't be afraid to buy multiples.
21:33 🔗 SketchCow Because you end up buying them, and then workhorsing the little fuckers into dust
21:33 🔗 amerrykan makes sense
21:33 🔗 amerrykan recommendations for make/model of 3 1/2" floppy drive?
21:33 🔗 * closure is in the process of learning the hard way that 16gb usb flash drives from china tend to be a lot crappier build quality than saner, smaller sizes
21:34 🔗 closure usb .. floppies of our decade
21:34 🔗 chronomex for serious
21:36 🔗 amerrykan i picked up a boxed "Mad Dog Multimedia Dominator 2x External USB Floppy Drive" at a thrift store for $5 yesterday and it seems to do the job but who knows right
21:36 🔗 chronomex MULTIMEDIA DOMINATOR
21:36 🔗 chronomex excellent name
21:37 🔗 amerrykan the floppy drive powered solely by energy drinks
21:38 🔗 DFJustin external USB is less desirable because you can't hook it up to kryoflux/discferret for copy protected / weird format stuff
21:39 🔗 DFJustin but for $5 who cares I guess
21:40 🔗 amerrykan it's fine for these early 90s DOS games i'm extracting at the moment
21:41 🔗 SketchCow the key is:
21:41 🔗 SketchCow 1 - make sure your extractor does comparisons to make sure it did it right
21:41 🔗 amerrykan i'm redumping each disk twice and then diff'ing, and haven't hit a mismatch yet, so it seems pretty solid
21:41 🔗 SketchCow 2 - don't throw shit away just because you 'saved' it
21:41 🔗 SketchCow Just pack it up and away
21:41 🔗 amerrykan ayup
21:42 🔗 amerrykan dd has a 'nocache' option that would make my life easier but i can't figure out the command-line syntax it expects it in
21:42 🔗 DFJustin dos games can have disk copy protection but it's less common than other platforms
21:44 🔗 amerrykan if i'm running 'dd if=/dev/sdb of=Disk.img' where do i supply 'nocache'?
21:44 🔗 amerrykan i've tried adding 'conv=nocache' before 'if=' and after 'Disk.img', it complains that it doesn't understand what i'm asking
21:44 🔗 amerrykan google wasn't much help
21:45 🔗 SketchCow Why do you need nocache?
21:46 🔗 amerrykan when i try to make a second dump of the disk (to compare with diff), disk cache just immediately makes a copy of the image it just read
21:47 🔗 amerrykan i worked around by cycling through the stack of disks twice but if i could turn of the cache, i could automate it with a script
21:47 🔗 SketchCow if I RECALL it's o=
21:47 🔗 amerrykan o=nocache?
21:47 🔗 SketchCow dd of=ofile oflag=nocache conv=notrunc,fdatasync count=0
21:47 🔗 SketchCow oflag
21:47 🔗 SketchCow try that
21:47 🔗 SketchCow Sorry, just the oflag, not the rest of that crap
21:48 🔗 amerrykan ok, i'll give it a shot when i can boot back into linux after work
21:48 🔗 amerrykan thanks for the insight
21:52 🔗 balrog_ amerrykan: Are you using the raw disk device?
21:52 🔗 balrog_ Wait I'm thinking Mac :)
21:52 🔗 SketchCow Yes, he is, of course he is.
21:52 🔗 balrog_ ddrescue has a raw mode switch which bypasses cache
21:53 🔗 balrog_ I prefer it over dd in any case because of progress reporting and logging.
21:53 🔗 amerrykan i'll look into it
21:54 🔗 amerrykan any recommendations for cranking out reliable ISO images?
21:54 🔗 amerrykan from CDROM/DVDROM?
21:54 🔗 amerrykan i find mismatches in my images occasionally across multiple redumps
21:55 🔗 amerrykan sometimes it can take four to five redumps to produce matching images
21:55 🔗 chronomex data isos? really?
21:55 🔗 amerrykan ?
21:56 🔗 amerrykan chronomex: this is the same thing i was talking about here a week or two ago
21:56 🔗 chronomex sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this channel lately
21:57 🔗 amerrykan i thought you were part of the conversation, i could be mistaken
21:57 🔗 amerrykan i had a vacation between then and now :)
22:21 🔗 DFJustin do the discs in question have audio tracks
22:31 🔗 SketchCow chronomex: BETRAYER
22:53 🔗 chronomex :(
22:53 🔗 SketchCow ./software 617-599-2284 "Renegade"
22:53 🔗 SketchCow ./town 617-599-2284 Lynn, MA
22:53 🔗 SketchCow Whoops
22:56 🔗 dashcloud SketchCow: tell me about media mail- when is it worth using over regular boxes? trying to clean up and ship stuff out to people who would actually use it or store it properly
22:56 🔗 chronomex media mail is a special price you get when your container is all books or cds or disks or tapes or whatever
22:57 🔗 chronomex "published materials"
22:57 🔗 chronomex it's nearly always worth it, but larger containers get you a bigger discount
22:57 🔗 SketchCow Right.
22:57 🔗 chronomex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_mail#Service_level_choices
22:58 🔗 SketchCow for example, I've sent crates of books to archive.org. A crate holding, say, 50 books. $15.
22:58 🔗 SketchCow Got there in three weeks.
22:58 🔗 balrog_ how efficient are they at scanning books?
22:58 🔗 balrog_ I have piles of tech books
22:58 🔗 SketchCow They are slow as molasses, because they have a massive backlog
22:58 🔗 balrog_ figured as much
22:58 🔗 SketchCow So if you mail it in hoping to browse the pages next month, fail.
22:59 🔗 SketchCow But if you want to ensure it will: 1. be scanned 2. be stores
22:59 🔗 SketchCow Well, there you go
22:59 🔗 DFJustin also they don't make it public unless it's PD
22:59 🔗 SketchCow http://statusboard.archive.org/ is very informative for this.
22:59 🔗 balrog_ yeah. if it's not PD, I'd at least like to receive it
22:59 🔗 balrog_ (to do what I please with it)
22:59 🔗 SketchCow http://archive.org/details/enlacocinamonlog00sure
22:59 🔗 chronomex I don't think it works that way, balrog_
22:59 🔗 balrog_ not with IA at least
23:00 🔗 balrog_ if I scan stuff myself, yeah it does work that way :)
23:00 🔗 chronomex correct
23:00 🔗 chronomex you can scan and upload yourself
23:00 🔗 chronomex then maybe send it in or whatever
23:00 🔗 balrog_ yeah
23:00 🔗 chronomex say "here are some books I already scanned fyi"
23:00 🔗 SketchCow That book, I just linked... it was 10 days from acquisition (into the system) to being electronically available.
23:00 🔗 chronomex SketchCow: not bad
23:01 🔗 balrog_ yeah that's pretty quick
23:01 🔗 dashcloud apparently the latest version of ABBYY (11) now has the option to turn your scans into ebooks
23:02 🔗 SketchCow But I'll see ones from China take 9 months.
23:02 🔗 SketchCow The reason is, the way they're transported, IA puts them into a shipping container and sends it by boat to Shenzhen
23:02 🔗 SketchCow So they get logged here and go off there for scan.
23:14 🔗 dashcloud so if I have computer manuals and such, should I send them to IA or you for them to end up on the site?
23:15 🔗 chronomex IA directly is best
23:20 🔗 Nintendud What sort of materials are being gathered for scanning?
23:25 🔗 dashcloud in reference to what?
23:25 🔗 Nintendud Oh, I was referring to your statement about computer manuals and such.
23:36 🔗 dashcloud ah
23:37 🔗 Nintendud I have a bunch of crap in a storage unit I'll be sifting through later this year. Would be good to know if anything I'm considering tossing would be worth sending to be scanned.
23:37 🔗 dashcloud I've got some old sound card manuals, motherboard manuals, old computer books, and some old driver/setup CDs
23:37 🔗 Nintendud Yeah, I have a bunch of stuff like that.
23:38 🔗 dashcloud and the box of Palm Pilot CD's plus Palm Pilot I got cheap somewhere
23:39 🔗 Nintendud Hah, I have a palm pilot
23:40 🔗 Nintendud Is there already an archive of computer manuals to prevent sending in dupes?

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